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dmcnews-digest Wednesday, 2 April 1997 Volume 02 : Number 228
In this issue:
Re: A/C problem
Rotor & CAP?
Parts...
Re: DELOREAN 1
Pics and scanner
Re: Parts...(and over-enthusiasm)
a/c - reply
Keys???
Re: Keys???
Re: A/C Problem
Re: Black DMC Re: Pics and scanner
re:Rob Grady's BRG car
Stainless Steel Cleaner
Re: Black DMC
Re: Pics and scanner
Factory Pictures
Re: a/c - reply
SS Brake Lines
Re: Keys???
Re: Shop list
Re: Parts...
Parking brake pads part number
Re: Stainless Steel Cleaner
Re: Keys???
Re: Stainless Steel Cleaner
82 *AND* 83 Production Chronology
SS Cleaner, Volvo dealer
Re: Factory pix in latest DeLorean World ERM license frame (was Re: Factory pix
in latest DeLorean World
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From: steve brodsky Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:41:12 -0800
Subject: Re: A/C problem
DMC12 wrote:
>I have a 83 DeLorean that I just evac. and recharged the A/C system I just got
the car so I don't know if it worked before, but now it blows cold for about 5
min. then it starts cycling the clutch on and off and blows semi-cool for no
reason. Has anyone had this problem and know what could be causing it to short
cycle even though it's fully charged? Doug
>83 DeLorean #15880
did you also replace the dryer? make sure the radiator fans are working when the
ac is on. you could also have a defective pressure switch
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:51:27 -0600
Subject: Rotor & CAP?
Dear DMC GROUP,
I want to change the rotor and cap and wires... Has anyone gone to an autoparts
store and gotten them? Do I need to go to a volvo dealer? If you guys have part
numbers for common electrical parts.. or even the bosch numbers... Please send
them to me... Thank you so much... Sincerely,
Jameel
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Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed(AT)uiuc.edu
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:47:35 -0600
Subject: Parts...
Dear DMC Group,
Does anybody have a few parts laying around they would like to sell... I need the
new coolant bottle and right angle drive. My plate for the shift boot is all
cracked up. And the boot itself is in really bad condition. (TORN AND COMPLETELY
DESTROYED!) If you guys have anything else please mention it to me... I probably
will buy it cuz I need as much stuff as possible. This car is getting so expensive
everyday. I need a little help. THank you.
Sincerely,
Jameel
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Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed(AT)uiuc.edu
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From: steve brodsky Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:56:01 -0800
Subject: Re: DELOREAN 1
Jameel Ahed wrote:
(SNIP)
>I noticed that my fans don't kick on when idling... Should I put in the new
upgrade RELAY COMPARTMENT??? Is this a good idea... since the car is an everyday
driver??? It has 62k on it also... Thanx for the help!
>Does anyone know of a cheap place to get parts??? Other than DELOREAN 1 and all
those others.... Thanx...
>Jameel Ahed
i suggest that you call stephen or warren at delorean motor company in houston
800-872-3621. they will also HELP you over the phone.
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From: Aaron Barrus
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:13:40 -0700
Subject: Pics and scanner
>Does anyone have a scanner? If I can get some pictures of the car, I am sure that
others would be interested in seeing it!
Yep, I have a flatbed anybody may use. Will easily scan a 3.5x5 glossy into a high
quality 1024x768x16mil .BMP or .JPG. If anybody would like pics scanned, just mail
to "Aaron Barrus, 2255 N Univ. Pkwy #15, Provo UT, 84604". I'll email, FTP, or even
snail-mail them back to you.
Also - Everen Brown took pics from our expo in Vegas - I could scan those and put
them on James Espey's delorean page, if anybody is interested? As long as Everen
Brown doesn't mind . . . ? I also have plenty of other pics from the events which I
took myself.
I also have an original sales brochure, with all the pics and diagrams, etc. If
anybody would be interested in a scanned version of this, I can scan it in and put
it somewhere for people to download.
Aaron
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From: James Espey
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 08:45:52 -0000
Subject: Re: Parts...(and over-enthusiasm)
>Does anybody have a few parts laying around they would like to sell... I need the
new coolant bottle and right angle drive. My plate for the shift boot is all
cracked up. And the boot itself is in really bad condition. (TORN AND COMPLETELY
DESTROYED!) If you guys have anything else please mention it to me... I probably
will buy it cuz I need as much stuff as possible. This car is getting so expensive
everyday. I need a little help. THank you.
Jameel -
First off - don't try to do EVERYTHING at once. I know its quite tempting when
you've just gotten the car, but all you'll end up doing is viewing the car as a
money pit. Take care of the mechanicals first, and save the cosmetics for when
the car is a reliable daily driver. It sounds like you're on the right path for
the most part.
As far as the coolant overflow bottle goes, bite the bullet and get one of the
redesigned aluminum bottles from one of the DeLoreans suppliers. You'll be happier
in the long run. I got mine from DeLorean Motor Company in Houston. You will need
to bleed the cooling system when you change this.
Angle drives are another one of those parts that I know of no other source for
than a Delorean supplier. I think PJ Grady has them on special right now. In the
meantime, check out the "RPM to MPH" table on the DeLorean Mailing List web page at
http://www.goodnet.com/~mikasa/rpm2mph.html - it will help you gauge your speed
until you get it fixed.
I bought my shift boot from Swedish Autoservice (RIP), all the DeLorean vendors
have redesigned boots that have a metal frame. I would put this off until the car
was mechanically sound. The $70-$80 can be better spent elsewhere.
I have the Girling numbers for the parking brake pads at home (I just moved so I
still need to find them - but I know where they are) amd I will send them to you
tonight or tomorrow AM.
You should probably join the DeLorean Midwest Connection (based in Chicago), Don
Gowler is the current president and is a regular here on the DeLorean Mailing List,
he travels a lot (he's here in Phoenix now) so give him a few days to get back to you.
IMO, your best bet would be to step back and take an objective look at the car,
then prioritize the items you think the car needs. Mechanicals, then cosmetics.
Also remember that you will get out of the car what you put in to it. If you nickel
and dime it, it will nickel and dime you! Some things came be done "on the cheap"
but many things are BEST done with the right parts. Remember the DeLroean was
compared against the 911, 928, and 308 among others when it was new. What do you
think they cost to maintain - trust me, its much more than the DeLorean.
Good luck!
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com Coming in April - http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: Aaron Barrus
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:03:32 -0700
Subject: a/c - reply
Mike said, in reply to Doug:
>The compressor clutch is supposed to cycle during normal A/C operation. I haven't
run my A/C in many months due to winter so I don't remember the duration of these
cycles off the top of my head. I think fifteen-twenty seconds is about right, and
my air blows ice cold.
>Does yours cycle more frequently than that? Perhaps your compressor circuit is
fine, you just need a little more refrigerant.
I have tinkered with A/C systems somewhat - this is my understanding: Your compressor
has an "In" side - the low side, and an "out" side, the high side. The low side
(uncompressed freon) should read about 20-30 psi. The high side (compressed freon)
should read between 150 and 200 psi. There is a great varience between manufacturers
on these readings. The compressor should click on and off to maintain the high-side
pressure, and shouldn't stay on all the time. As long as the compressor turns on and
off automatically, your a/c system is at least working. If you can't find original
high and low-side psi readings, some experimenting may be the only answer to find
the optimum pressure for your system.
A side note: Our DMC's all use R-12 freon which is getting very difficult to purchase
nowadays. In frustration with this, and refusing to pay $50 per pound, and absolutely
refusing to replace the entire a/c system for ozone-friendly stuff, I've found an
alternative drop-in replacement for R-12 which is R-406a. I use this in all my original
R-12 systems. Its illegal for a service station to install this in an automobile (for
a profit), but
not illegal to take the A/C certification test (just $60 and a bit of studying),
buy the freon yourself, and put it in your OWN car. If anybody would like more info on
this, please let me know.
Aaron
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:39:48 -0600
Subject: Keys???
Dear DMC GROUP,
My car keys are pretty much ruined. The door key has the original DMC key part
that once had the light in it. I want that for my ignition key and a new passenger
key. Is there anything out there like it? Does anyone have those blank keys like
that??? Has anyone seen aftermarket little toys they can add to their key chain!
Sincerely,
Jameel
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Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed(AT)uiuc.edu
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From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:22:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Keys???
Jameel,
Someone should have the back issue of DMCNews from around Sept./Oct. where I posted
what replacement key I used to make dupes. I think it was a Geo. Anyway, I have a
one-key system (yay!) and the dupe I have on me states:
COLE B65
Hope that helps.
Mike
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From: Bryan Pearce Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 11:17:23 -0600
Subject: Re: A/C Problem
>I have a 83 DeLorean that I just evac. and recharged the A/C system I just got the
car so I don't know if it worked before, but now it blows cold for about 5 min. then
it starts cycling the clutch on and off and blows semi-cool for no reason. Has anyone
had this problem and know what could be causing it to short cycle even though it's
fully charged? Doug
>83 DeLorean #15880
Doug,
Be sure that the cooling fans are running when the A/C Clutch is engaged.
I had the same problem with my car and realized that the previous owner had done
something stupid with the original fan circuit that bypassed the A/C.
Bryan
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From: Nikki Schumann Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:27:06 +0100 (GMT) Subject: Re: Black DMC Re: Pics and scanner
>Web Bixby
>VIN 1049
>PS. I have a photo of Rob Grady's BRG car if you would like to see it.
Everybody keeps talking about Rob's BRG DMC12. I do believe that it looks beautiful
in this colour although I too am a purist and will look for a Stainless DMC in due
time when I decide to buy one.
However, YES, I would defenitely be very interested in seeing some photos of
Rob Grady's car it they could be available somehow. Being in Europe I don't
often get a chance to pass by Long Island. :).
Thanks Web.
>I also have an original sales brochure, with all the pics and diagrams, etc. If
anybody would be interested in a scanned version of this, I can scan it in and put
it somewhere for people to download.
>Aaron
Aaron,
This is another Item that I would be really interested in seeing. If this could
be done (scanning and making available for download) I'll defenitely download one.
Thanks.
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From: "Jeff Phillips, x4300" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 13:41:43 MST
Subject: re:Rob Grady's BRG car
>Web Bixby
>VIN 1049
>PS. I have a photo of Rob Grady's BRG car if you would like to see it.
There's a picture of Rob's car in DeLorean World 2 issues ago, Vol 13 #4 pg. 22.
I'm assuming this is it it's BRG and has the chrome rims someone else mentioned.
I have to agree it looks pretty sharp however if you're going to paint it I love
black. The first DeLorean I saw in person
pulled up next to me, it was painted black and had a spoiler on the back.
I think it was in Indiana somewhere around South Bend. Has anyone else run into
this one? It looked great.
Jeff Phillips
Vin# TBA
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From: "Michael Babb" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:54:36 +0100
Subject: Stainless Steel Cleaner
Cheers all!
Anybody have a good source for stainless cleaner? I have had no luck finding
someone who stock it locally (they look at me wierd when I say that
I need it for my car). I called THE STAINLESS STEEL SPECIALISTS (a company in my
area) and she had never heard of cleaning SS (uh.....OK). I don't mind getting it
from a DeLorean place, but it seams to be a bit pricy for $10 a can....
Michael Babb, MCSE
ProSoft I-Net Solutions
Phone 919.460.7604 Nationwide pager 888.753.5315 Alpha Pager (Raleigh, NC) 919.389.2695
Mikebabb(AT)vnet.net michaelba(AT)prosoft.org
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From: ARoqueta(AT)aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 03:21:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Black DMC
To Web Bixby if you wouldn't mind sending me the picture , Via email I would
be greatly appreciative. Thanx
AROQUETA(AT)aol.com
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From: ARoqueta(AT)aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 03:25:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Pics and scanner
I would be very interested in a scanned version of the original brochure.Putting
this somewhere would be a great idea.
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From: michael richard pack Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:42:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Factory Pictures
Hello
I was approached by a man who was John & Christina DeLoreans Architect. He was
hired to finish their home in Bedminister New Jersey. He told me about some of
his business dealings with John DeLorean, etc, etc, and his privilege to drive
a Delorean as a company car. He wanted to sell me some 8x10 pictures of the
factory, car under engineering development at Lotus, with the designer, and the
car in various stages of production. He wanted $750.00 for the 40 photographs. I
almost purchased them
but when I asked him for the negatives he said that they were confiscated at the
DeLorean Estate in 1982.
I will be displaying the pictures in Belfast during the Euro Expo.
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From: DMC12
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:05:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: a/c - reply
Aaron Barrus wrote:
(SNIP)
>A side note: Our DMC's all use R-12 freon which is getting very difficult to
purchase nowadays. In frustration with this, and refusing to pay $50 per pound,
and absolutely refusing to replace the entire a/c system for= ozone-friendly stuff,
I've found an alternative drop-in replacement for= R-12 which is R-406a. I use this
in all my original R-12 systems. Its= illegal for a service station to install this
in an automobile (for a profit), but
>not illegal to take the A/C certification test (just $60 and a bit of studying),
>buy the freon yourself, and put it in your OWN car. If anybody would like more info
on this, please let me know.
>=
>Aaron
I put the correct amount of freon in the system(2.2 pounds) and my low and high side
pressures are good and the cooling fans are working. Like I said it blows ice cold
for about 5 min. before short cycling and blowing warm, like maybe the evaporator
is freezing up or someing. =
I was just wondering if something particular on the Delorean had a tendecy to cause
a problem in the A/C system. =
Doug Venner =
'83 #15880
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From: WINGD2(AT)aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:52:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: SS Brake Lines
I recieved an inquiry from someone on the mailing list asking for more
info on the SS brake lines we're having made for the Deloreans. After responding
to Eric via e-mail I thought this info might be of intrest to others on the list.
Eric,
Nice to hear from you. I assume from your e-mail address that your in Canada. Maybe
you know, if you decide on a set of brake lines and I ship them
to you in Canada do we/you get involved in any kind of duty or anything? The
$120 per set and $5 shipping are my cost in the USA. I'm not making any money
on this I'm just trying to help out others on the mailing list. Please let me
know if we need to do something.
Your question about the OEM lines was a good one. I never checked befor
because I had no interest in replacing the lines on my car with the same thing. I
was looking to improve the braking performance of the car. I did call Kapac today
just to check. The prices quoted were $42.83 for the front
and $18.88 for the rear per each. That makes a set of OEM (15 year old rubber)
brake lines cost $123.42 plus shipping. I guess that makes the SS braided lines
that much better a deal.
The company "Goodridge Co" in England has been in the hose business for
over 30 years. The guy I'm dealing with (Allen) is their senior engineer. I
had the oppertunity to spend a day with him in February at a trade show and
he definately knows his business. These brake lines have just passed the Europen
TUV and USA-DOT testing programs, the first and so far only SS braided brake lines
to do so. They are the first company to become OEM suppliers of SS braided brake
lines. They have current contracts with Buell
motorcycle and Mitsubishi motors as OEM suppliers. Ther also are the current
suppliers of brake lines and all the other hoses utilized in Europen Formula
1, European Pro Ralley, European Formula 1 motorcycle and just this year USA
NASCAR. Allen told me that last year they took all the hoses off a NASCAR auto and
installed their hoses. They then took all their hoses off and compaired weights.
Thier hoses saved 40 lbs, a big difference. They have just
opened a shop in North Carolina to handle this work. He showed me some Formula 1
fittings they make special for Ferrari out of titainium. A banjo fitting about the
size of a quarter was worth $1500. He said in F/1 money is
NO object. Anyway, as you can see they have an extensive auto backround.
The hoses they made for me are teflon lined stainless steel braided exterior with
a clear plastic coating bonded over the SS braid for abraison
protection. The ends are metric bulkhead fittings with the correct thread and
flair to fit the Delorean. The only difference with the stock D ends is the
stock bulkhead end that fits the frame bracket is a 15mm hex. The SS lines have a
14mm hex. This works fine because this hex is just a locater in the frame bracket
and has no line pressure. These lines are also made to the new
TUV-DOT specs. All the other lines I looked into required adaptors to try and
make them fit, and nobody really made the correct adaptor anyway. All these
other lines were also for "offroad use only".(NOT DOT approved).
Anyway that gives you a little more info on these lines and the company.
I am very happy with the new feel of the brakes on my D since installing these new
lines. The pedal feels much firmer than befor and thus the brakes
feel better. I've got more confidence in the braking system than I had befor.
As I said befor, I can't verify an improvement in brake performance, but it
feels better.
Thanks, Marty
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 04:16:55 -0800
Subject: Re: Keys???
Michael E. Gaines wrote:
>Jameel,
>Someone should have the back issue of DMCNews from around Sept./Oct. where I
posted what replacement key I used to make dupes. I think it was a Geo. Anyway,
I have a one-key system (yay!) and the dupe I have on me states:
>COLE B65
>Hope that helps.
>Mike
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It's a Volvo key blank ! Any good locksmith will have the blank. Regards,
Marv
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 03:36:55 -0800
Subject: Re: Shop list
ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com wrote:
>In an emergency any long established Volvo dealer should be able to help with
engine related problems.
>Chris
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Chris,
Not true ! Before I found my local mechanic I had asked Volvo in Great Neck NY
about servicing the car and their answer was that they wouldn't touch it ...
it's not just the engine but everything else around it that scares them off.
Regards,
Marv Sterling
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 04:09:41 -0800
Subject: Re: Parts...
Jameel Ahed wrote:
>Dear DMC Group,
>Does anybody have a few parts laying around they would like to
sell...
snip
>This car is getting so expensive everyday.
snip
>Jameel
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Perhaps this explains the big difference in prices asked for D's. There's a big
difference between having to rebuild one or just getting in a driving a well kept
one. Which way is the least expensive to go ? That was an academic question.
Regards,
Marv
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From: James Espey
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 06:52:35 -0000
Subject: Parking brake pads part number
As promised, I dug through my "box 'o DeLo parts" and found the part number for
the parking brake pads that I bought from Swedish Autoservice a year or so ago.
Lucas Girling GP175
H/BR. PAD, W/HDW
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com Coming in April - http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: James Espey
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 06:52:44 -0000
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Cleaner
I've been using a 3M brand Stainless Steel Cleaner. I get it in a aerosol can from
a place called "Smart and Final" here in town. I imagine its available at any
restaurant supply place, too. It's about $6 a can. I like it because I can use it
on everything, black areas, stainless - everything but glass. Also, don't get the
Smart and Final "house brand" called "Iris", it tneds to yellow in heat and sunlight.
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com Coming in April - http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: James Espey
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 07:04:02 -0000
Subject: Re: Keys???
Original DeLorean key blanks are scarce like hen's teeth. I bought one a year or
so ago for $35, a list member (DMC12JR(AT)aol.com) said awhile back that he could get
a few for around $50-$60 each.
I recently went to a GOOD locksmith (not a hardware store or K-mart) and he just
looked it up in his big reference book and made one.
For my 1982 "one-key' system, it's an "ILCO VO75 -- X29" blank.
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com Coming in April - http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:35:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Cleaner
Like the rest of you, I have tried dozens of products on my DMC. Most work
quite well. The problem I have found with most (including the popular D1 product)
is that the cleaner leaves a film (petroleum based?) and that film, in turn,
tends to make fingerprints even more noticeable.
For years now I have simply used soap and water with one small addition. After
a quick dry off - not yet toatally dry - I spray a section at a time with windex
and then dry with a paper towel, not a cloth towel. No water spots and a very nice
genuine stainless steel shine. For a quick touch up I always carry a bottle of
windex and a roll of paper towels.
Got road tar? Use whatever you like and then redo the panel with the windex and
the paper towels.
Nothing is perfect - this approach doesn't do anything for the black plastic.
Dick Ryan
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From: James Espey
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 07:19:10 -0000
Subject: 82 *AND* 83 Production Chronology
By request, I will be compiling a chronology of the '83 model DeLoreans in addition
to the '82 models. If you own an '82 or '83, please send me via private email:
last five #'s of cars VIN
build month/year from drivers door jamb
interior color
five speed or automatic
city (optional) and state/country where car is located
All that will ever be distributed or published in the VIN, build date, owner name
and state. Please state if you want your name withheld from publication.
For the record, this is what we have up through this AM.
**************************
1982 DeLorean Production Chronology
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10059 ??? 81 Cindy Sparks (California)
10209 Dec 81 Ron and Margaret Jackson (Arizona) 10213 Dec 81 Michael Gaines (New Jersey)
10251 Dec 81 Eddy Cue (California)
10410 Dec 81 Tom Ghesquiere (Texas)
10570 Dec 81 James Espey (Arizona)
10574 Dec 81 Dennis Adams (Wisconsin)
10688 Dec 81 Steve Brodsky (Texas)
10696 Dec 81 DeLorean Motor Company (Texas) 10788 Dec 81 Don Gowler (Illinois)
11152 ??? ?? Trinity M. Barbuto
11529 Jan 82 Bryan Pearce (Illinois)
11554 Jan 82 Aaron Mills (Michigan)
1983 DeLorean Production Chronology
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16000 ??? ?? Marv Sterling (New York)
16381 Apr 82 Michael Reinemuth (Heidelberg / Germany)
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From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:34:53 +0000
Subject: SS Cleaner, Volvo dealer
I found a good cleaner thanks to a friend that owns a restaurant. It's called
"Reflection", made by Paulson and Roles Labs. and is available through restaurant
and janitorial suppliers. Good stuff and two 18oz. cans cost about $8.00.
I said a Volvo dealer should be able to help with engine related problems in an
emergency. I didn't say anything about "service".
Chris
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:05:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Factory pix in latest DeLorean World
Some list subscribers who are not DOA members have asked me about the cars on
the latest DW cover. The numbers I can make out are:
860,996,1008,1063 and maybe 1038.
Typically this picture will have been enlarged and cropped, so the original photo
(from Robert Lamrock) probably showed even more cars. Most of the cars that are
shown face the wrong direction, hiding the VIN number. So maybe my car is in that
picture and I just can't tell . . .
The pictured cars have protective pads attached to their doors, fenders, and bumpers
in preparation for shipping. They do NOT have the ERM rear license plate frame, which
may not have been ready at the time the photo was taken.
A more thrilling Robert Lamrock picture appears on pages 18-19. It is an airiel view
of the DMC plant in 1981 (looks like summer) with no fewer than 173 brand new
DeLoreans in view. No chance of identifying any of these cars, though.
The text of the article only describes the coming DOA expedition to Ireland, making
me jealous. It doesn't say anything about the factory or DeLorean history. But these
two pictures by themselves are wonderful! They are my favorite part of being a DOA
member.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: James Espey
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 09:23:07 -0000
Subject: ERM license frame (was Re: Factory pix in latest DeLorean World
>The pictured cars have protective pads attached to their doors, fenders, and
bumpers in preparation for shipping. They do NOT have the ERM rear license plate
frame, which may not have been ready at the time the photo was taken.
It is my understanding that the ERM license plate frames were added to the cars as
they entered the US at the Quality Assurance Centers (QACS) I bought a new license
plate frame while at KAPAC last October and they had BOXES of them, all with
"Composite Technologies Corporation" mailing label on them. CTC was the company
formed by JZD/DMC to develop the ERM process.
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
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