DeLorean Mailing List - 4/14/97
dmcnews-digest Monday, 14 April 1997 Volume 02 : Number 232
In this issue:
DMC Commercial
Flex circuit in Craig tape decks
RE: Taking apart doors
The great VIN mystery
Re: Brake Master Cylinders
FUEL LINE UPDATE
Re: Flex circuit in Craig tape decks
Fuel smell update
removing interior parts?
Re: Flex circuit in Craig tape decks
FW: Battery Hold down
RARE PICTURES
Pacific Coast Dream Machines
Re: Flex circuit in Craig tape decks
Right Hand Conversion
Delorean font
Re: Delorean font
DeLorean "stuff"
car shows
Re: DMC production numbers
Deloreans and emissions
Re: My "baby" for sale
DeLorean Page
DOA
How much oil does the Delorean hold?
Re: How much oil does the Delorean hold? Service centers
Delorean Worlds???
DELOREAN BUYING ADVICE
HEY!
Auto Auction.
Re: Deloreans and emissions
Another DeLorean poster
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From: James Espey
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 97 18:08:49 -0000
Subject: DMC Commercial
Okay, I have confirmation that the DeLorean commercial "snippet" for
Windows works fine. It was uploaded new yesterday to the web page. Try it!
James
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From: magriese@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97 08:12:49 CDT
Subject: Flex circuit in Craig tape decks
I was wondering how many owners out there would be interested in
replacing the flex circuit in the Craig stereos and what the threshhold price
would be. There have been about 20 years of advancement in flex circuit
materials since this unit was designed, a new part would likely be a
permanent fix. If there is enough interest, I could look into having a new part
made.
Re: Mac OS and British sports cars - I wonder what that says about us OS/2
users?
Mike Griese
magriese@vnet.ibm.com
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From: GunkelWWW@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 02:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Taking apart doors
>I am taking apart my doors to replace my window regulators but am stuck
on how to unscrew the interior pull-down handle support attachment in
order to
>remove the lower door trim. The service manual says to use a long philips
head screwdriver, but I can't seem to get an angle to make the screws
accessable. Even if I did, how would you screw it back in when the time comes
to put the door back together? Anybody who can offer anything to help
>walk me through this, I would appreciate it very much.
It is possible to do this job with the right screwdriver! When I understand the
workshop manual right, you must first reinstall the pull handle and then
carefully reinstall the trim panel over the handle. I have do this job. For the
removing and installing of the door trim
panels
I need 2 hours!
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From: Knut S Grimsrud Date: Tue,
08 Apr 97 19:47:00 PDT
Subject: The great VIN mystery
James wrote:
>How do you explain these cars, then?
It's nice to see some hard cold facts like that from James' survey. A point I
was making in my previous message was that of the documentation I had
seen, I had seen none on the skipping VINs, and I unfortunately sent the
message before reading James message providing documentation on that very
point.
I will have to re-examine the safety campaign memo more closely and see if
there is a way to misconstrue it or if I misread it (this is included in the
service bulletins manual available with the workshop and parts catalog from
most DMC shops). Since the safety campaign is number SC-06-7/82 issued on
July 16, '82 there is not the possibility of the mystery '82 VINs having been
made after the memo was written. The other alternative is that the campaign
did not apply to the later '82 VINs, and the later VIN ranges were therefore
not included in the VIN range stated in the memo (in which case the memo
is not worded very clearly). The final alternative is that the author of the
memo didn't know what he was talking about -- I will for the moment
discount this final possibility since the memo came from DMC.
Upon re-reading the memo, it looks like the '82 VIN list indicated does not
represent the entire '82 production run but that some '82 cars were made that
did not require the safety recall. My apologies for having misinterpreted this
information. With James' new hard information it would seem that there are
even more DMC-12's manufactured than originally assumed by DeLorean
World (and myself). Is it a coincidence that the VIN number cutoff reported
in the recall memo (11127) seems to coincide very well with the new year in
James' list?
Other than looking for hints in various documents (such as VIN ranges in
the parts catalog and safety recall notices to dealers) and performing a survey
like James is undertaking, I am at a loss as to how one would get properly
documented DMC production numbers. Without the input of someone like
the folks at KAPAC, it seems the best we can do is establish an estimate that
none of the documents or survey results contradict. I do prefer numbers that
can be referenced back to a source (like Jame's numbers) over heresay,
however. Does anyone have some facts to share?
Knut Grimsrud
Chapter 41
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From: James Nichols Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997
19:39:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Brake Master Cylinders
Matt Peak wrote:
>Maybe somebody can help me figure something out. My car needs a new
brake
master cylinder.<
I had my master cylinder overhauled about three years ago by a local brake
rebuild shop for about $120. They matched the casting number to late '70s
Saab and had to order the kit. They also told me to use only Casterol Dot 4
brake fluid since the rebuild kit uses natural rubber seals.
Jim #6884
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From: "Scott Mueller" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97
03:34:11 UT
Subject: FUEL LINE UPDATE
Last night I removed the Polyethylene fuel line. There was no damage noted.
Because of the thin cross section, you must be careful with the length of the
hose. Mind you that this is only a temporary fix, since I was unable to mount
the strainer in its original position. The strainer ended up perpindicular to
the tank bottom. This would reduce the usable volume of the fuel tank.
The fuel pump would not run after I replaced the hose. It turns out that I
damaged the inertia switch while checking it last Saturday. I cycled the
plunger several times. Remember, I did not have any tools, so I was only able
to check fuses, relays, spark, ect..
As far as the replacement fuel pump suction line, I purchased a new one two
years ago from one of the Delorean Parts houses that is known to everyone. I
hesitate to mention the name until I have my facts straight. (No Flaming!!)
With the hose I also purchased a new fuel pump, filter, accumulator, baffles,
pump boot. #2981 has been in my family since it was purchased new in
October
1981. It had been in storage from approx. 1984 until 1995, when I purchased
it from my Father. In April, 1996 I registered the car and started driving it
again. The cars fuel system had been ruined by the effects of the 11 year old
gasoline that sat in it.
The hose that I removed last weekend had only sen one year of service. It was
severly cracked, collapsed, and had the consistency of bubble gum. You could
easily pull a piece off and roll it up into a little ball. What I find curious, is
that the fuel pump return line was in excellent condition, no signs of
deterioration. It seem to me that both hoses should be made from the
same material. When I was at Orchard Supply Sunday morning, I saw some
hose
with the same dimensions as the supply hose that failed. It was for a washing
machine. I did not think that would be a good choice.
When I find the reciept for the parts that were installed last year, I'll let
you know where they came from, just incase any of you purchased the same
thing.
Maybe this will help someone avoid a similar problem.
See you in Ireland.
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From: Don Gowler-CFPO01, Don_Gowler-CFPO01@email.mot.com Date:
Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Flex circuit in Craig tape
decks
Mike, I for one would be interested in a new flex circuit. The Silver Fox
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_____________________ ____
>Subject: Flex circuit in Craig tape decks From: dmcnews-
approval@world.std.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL Date: 4/9/97 8:28 AM
>I was wondering how many owners out there would be interested in
replacing the flex circuit in the Craig stereos and what the threshhold price
would be. There have been about 20 years of advancement in flex circuit
materials since this unit was designed, a new part would likely be a
permanent fix. If there is enough interest, I could look into having a new part
made.
>Mike Griese
>magriese@vnet.ibm.com
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From: Mike Gaines Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997
10:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fuel smell update
Hi all,
Last week I mention a fuel smell from my system. I checked the fuel pump
area: no problem. Underside with accumulator: no problem. My last resort
was the compartment under the fuel line cap. There are two hoses coming off
the main feed. Sure enough, one line was detached from a little container it's
supposed to be connected to. I havent' checked the parts manual yet, but this
tiny container is about an inch high and has a little stem coming out the side.
The container is attached to the firewall. I reattached the hose, and tightened
up some others, and I haven't smelled any gas since. It's only been two days,
but after driving it 10 miles or so I usually smell something. Hopefully this is
all I need to do to fix it.
Mike
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:00:57 -0500
Subject: removing interior parts?
Dear DML,
I am going to be sending in my headliners to be redone, I was just wondering
how you remove the panels without damaging anything... I know they have
these plastic screws in there... I bought some extra from KAPAC... Do you just
pull? and they pop off? Okay next ?... How do you remove the door panels...
actually the driver side looks like it is coming off by itself... I have looked
through the parts book and it doesn't really show that well.. Thanx for the
help. Sincerely,
Jameel
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- -------------------------------------------------- Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH
Industries Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions HOMEPAGE:
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/ VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@uiuc.edu
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997
21:45:21 +0000
Subject: Re: Flex circuit in Craig tape decks
At 01:12 PM 4/9/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I was wondering how many owners out there would be interested in
replacing the flex circuit in the Craig stereos and what the threshhold price
would be.
>Mike Griese
>magriese@vnet.ibm.com
Mike,
You can count me as also being interested in a flex circuit. Quite a few years
ago Rob Grady was selling a new tape door and flex circuit. I don't know if
they were originals from Craig or if he had them made.
Bruce Benson
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From: "Scott Mueller" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97
03:36:28 UT
Subject: FW: Battery Hold down
I have always wondered how to properly fasten the battery with the strap that
came with it.
I have looked in my manuals, and tried many different ways, but have yet to
figure it out.
Does any body know how?
SCOTTAMUELLER@MSN.COM
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From: michael richard pack Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997
18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RARE PICTURES
I will post the pictures that I have before the Belfast trip. There are approx 40
pictures.
15 Black & White of the factory assembly line, emissions testing, loading cars
at the docks, and one of JZD sitting in the drivers seat of the last prototype car.
40 color pictures that were taken at Lotus. These are engineering photographs
that were used to develop the frame, and fiberglass underbody and the
gullwings.
I'm waiting for the pictures to come back from the photo shop.
Mike
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From: "Scott Mueller" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97
01:57:44 UT
Subject: Pacific Coast Dream Machines
April 27, 1997 there will be a car show in Half Moon Bay, CA
Myself and possibly a couple of other S.F. Bay Area DMC owners will be there
to show our cars.
Check out WWW.MIRAMAREVENTS.COM They have an entry form and
details about
the show.
If you are interested and would like to display your car as part of a group of
DMC owners, e-mail me and I will coordinate a meeting place. Early
registration ends 4/19/97
SCOTTAMUELLER@MSN.COM
DMC #2981
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From: Phillip124@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Flex circuit in Craig
tape decks
If this would make the numbers in the display normal again, I would be
interested.
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From: Garry Hewitt Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997
23:55:13 +-100
Subject: Right Hand Conversion
G'day all
Thought I'd put a contribution in as I've just flicked through the last = nine
months worth of DML in the last two days- I never said I got things = done in
a hurry.
I am in the middle of a conversion to right hand drive (attempted = anyway),
rather than fill this posting up with details I will leave a = document link
from my web-site at =
"www.icecream.demon.co.uk/delorean.htm", don't rush it isn't there yet. = I
have already stripped the interior from the car, so if anyone would = like to
know how anything is removed just ask.
Why? Hopefully someday myself and the car (oh yeah and my girlfriend)
=will be wending our way back to our rightful home (Sydney, Australia) =
after eight years in the UK. Aus law requires me to import the car RHD, =
hence the conversion. Hi to any other Aus DeLorean owners, I suspect I = will
be joining a fairly select bunch.
As the car will almost certainly still be in bits late May, I will be = arriving in
Belfast in the back of Dave Howarth's van, hopefully someone = will give me
a ride around the test track. (volunteers?). I have an A2 = sized (2 foot by
three) wiring diagram that anyone can copy, however = from the quality I'd
guess it is an enlargement of the fold out copy in = the works manual.
Brake cross references. The front calipers/ pads are from our Ford = Cortina
and Capri, which I guess is the US Mercuri Capri (is it European = built?).
Rear calipers/ pads are Jaguar XJ6. Can't speak for the brake = rotors, but I'd
guess these weren't from the above, as a) the De has = different stud spacing
to the Capri and b) the Jag is inboard brakes, = hence no studs (unless they
match the axle mountings). A lot of other = bits are the same as Euro models
as well, I'll bring the list I have to = Belfast. (I guess my contention that the De
is a Yank Tank, not a = "British" car as often quoted in this list, probably
doesn't hold much = water in that context).
For the VIN list, my car is 4883, Oct 81, Grey, Manual, imported from = the US
about 10 years ago, bought by me six years ago. It has a Texas = sticker on the
window, but I believe it came from somewhere wetter on = the other side of
the US later in it's life. I am Garry Hewitt, living = in the UK eight years and
working as a Microsoft Windows NT Instructor = (SORRY JAMES!!!).
See you in Belfast.
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From: AARON1@webtv.net (AARON MILLS)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:04:45 -0400
Subject: Delorean font
I recently heard that there is a Delorean font for computers. If it's true' does
anyone know where I can find it ?
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From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:16:36 +0000
Subject: Re: Delorean font
Aaron wrote.
>I recently heard that there is a Delorean font for computers. If it's true' does
anyone know where I can find it ?
It's available from "Axe Creatives" @ 35 Parkway Drive North, Commack NY
11725. Ph. 516-864-4907.
Chris
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From: jfedeli@dpsc.dla.mil (joe fedeli)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:30:33 -0400
Subject: DeLorean "stuff"
I found a company that has a variety of DeLorean related "stuff" : DeLorean
Literature, 3116 Welsh Road, Philadelphia, PA 19136-1810 USA for the cost of
a SSAE (Self Stamped Addressed Envelope). They have books, videos, music,
literature, toy cars, magazines, etc. and offer a 30 day refund policy. I bought
"stuff" from they and they are alright!!!
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From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997
15:57:08 -0400
Subject: car shows
Anyone have any information on car shows (preferably in the NC area) or
know how I would go about finding when one is coming to NC???? Now that
I have my baby, I want to show it off!!
Michael Babb
Microsoft Systems Engineer
DMC #3472
mikebabb@vnet.net
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Sat, 12 Apr
1997 03:52:13 -0700
Subject: Re: DMC production numbers
Knut S Grimsrud wrote:
>I have recently had the chance to do a little research on DMC production
numbers and since the topic as come up I thought I would share my results
thus far.
(SNIP)
>Based on the information I have seen thus far, I have no reason to believe
the VINs skip within each series. Note that there were several diffrerent
series produced for the '83 model year (I believe the numbers are "serial"
within each range). James' survey will likely shed some light on the '83
production numbers. Since I have seen VIN number 15888 on this list and
mine is 16344, I believe there were at least 888+344 '83 cars manufactured
(unless the skipping VIN theory is substantiated) which already places it
above that reported in DeLorean World. Since the last car manufactured has
VIN 20105 and according to SSI there were 100 cars manufactured for the
Canadian market (17000 series VINs), I think the number of '83 cars
manufactured is substantially higher than that reported.
>Knut Grimsrud
>Chapter 41
- ----------------------------------------------- Knut -
My understanding is that Consolidated began their numbering with 16000
and designated it an '83 model ... the 16000's were assembled after the regular
production run ended ... the full page advertisement, in 1984, stated that the
last 500 D's were going on sale after being released by a Federal Court ... I think
that 16000 and up may have a lurid history. Regards,
Marv
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From: James Senft
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:03:38 -0400
Subject: Deloreans and emissions
My low mileage and well-maintained Delorean just failed the new Maryland
emissions check...hydrocarbons double the state maximum. A speciality shop
for Volvos checked everythig, replaced spark plugs, air filter, tweaked lambda
system...still failed. They did not check/replace the lambda sensor...any
ideas??? I understand Deloreans run super clean in states that have regular
checks for emissions. Thanks! Jim Senft
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Sun, 13 Apr
1997 01:07:55 -0700
Subject: Re: My "baby" for sale
As much as I don't want to do this, pending surgery on my wife requires that
I put my '83, vin 16000, on the market. If anyone on the list knows of a
potential buyer I would appreciate your getting the word out. It is grey
interior, excellent shape body and mechanics, comes with about 10 years of D
World issues, parts and shop manuals. I had a stainless bottle installed
recently and have the original for anyone that wants it. Rob Grady has done
the major maintenance work on it and my local mechanic has done all other
work, including clutch and slave installation, under the guidance of Rob
Grady. It does need a new door strut on the driver's side. All records are
available. I can be emailed or a message can be left on my machine at 718-746-
0485. Location is Whitestone, Queens County, New York. I am the original
owner - purchased from Mt. Kisco Subaru in February 1984. Realistically
asking $20,000.
Regards,
Marv Sterling
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From: Scott Tester Date: Sun, 13 Apr
1997 03:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DeLorean Page
Check out my first Web Page, I scanned some pictures a friend of mine sent
from Arkansas. Enjoy...
Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
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From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 07:02:30 +0000
Subject: DOA
Well, I just got my annual membership notice. I won't be renewing. $60 a
year for four issues of a magazine with very limited technical information,
blurry photographs, and Eds' drivel is ridiculous and an insult.
Perhaps if enough of us take a stand, or drop out, the direction of the club will
change. I can't attend meetings in LA to try to effect change, and this clique
knows that most of its' members can't.
If the DOA does change I will hear about it through this list. As an alternative
I'm going to join a more local group that sounds like it's goals are more in
line with what I thought the DOA was about. I'll see.
Chris
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From: Phillip124@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How much oil does the
Delorean hold?
I am about to change the oil for the first time and I wondered how much oil
it would hold. What brand of oil and what kind of weight do you all
use/recomend? The owner's manual recomends 20W/50, that's awful thick
oil isn't it? I need a good type of oil for the summer. Tell me what you all
think.
Phillip
7134
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From: steve brodsky Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997
11:20:47 -0700
Subject: Re: How much oil does the Delorean hold?
Phillip124@aol.com wrote:
>I am about to change the oil for the first time and I wondered how much oil
>it would hold. What brand of oil and what kind of weight do you all
use/recomend? The owner's manual recomends 20W/50, that's awful thick
oil isn't it? I need a good type of oil for the summer. Tell me what you all
think.
>Phillip
>7134
In 49,000 orignal miles, I have always used Castrol 20/50 every 2500 miles. It
uses about 7-8 qts with filter. You should also change the the manual
transmission fluid regularly. Make sure you use the correct Spec gear lube.
Steve Brodsky #10688
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From: "Brandon S. Moody" Date: Sun, 13 Apr 97 00:09:24
PDT
Subject: Service centers
Can someone please send me a list of service centers for the Delorean
Automobile.
I have heard that there is one in Ohio, is this true ?
Thanks in advance.
bsmoody@kih.net
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 13:34:39 -0500
Subject: Delorean Worlds???
Dear DML,
Does anybody out there have or know of people who have delorean worlds
they don't want anymore... I want to buy them from you guys... I don't want
to spend $60 on a subscription and then be aloud to by the full set... I think
that is kinda dumb... What if I just want the magazines and don't want to
have the subscription! Well anyway... If any of you guys just have stacks of
them and you want to get rid of them... Let me know! Thanx a lot!
Sincerely,
Jameel
P.s. I only have 3 magazines... The HERE'S JOHNNY MAGAZINE... A blue
one with a drawing of the DMC CONVERTIBLE and the new one and it is
VOL 13 Number 4 1996.
Thanx again!
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- -------------------------------------------------- Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH
Industries Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions HOMEPAGE:
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/ VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@uiuc.edu
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From: Neil Lewis
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:43:37 +0600
Subject: DELOREAN BUYING ADVICE
I am, for want of a better expression, a Delorean 'virgin' and am
contemplating purchasing one of these fine cars, probably from the USA as
there are not that many for sale in the UK or Europe. I would be extremely
grateful for any buying tips, points to look for, specific problem areas etc from
anyone. Also can anyone recommend reputable dealers? Thanking you in
anticipation. Neil Lewis.
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From: FearRacer@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: HEY!
Alright guys, visit my page. http://members.aol.com/FearRacer/DMC.html
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From: "Eric J. Hennebury" Date: Sun, 13 Apr
1997 18:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Auto Auction.
I just attended the Toronto classic car auction held every year at about this
time. Amongst a plethora of bargains was a 1983 Delorean VIN 17114 (if
memory serves me correctly) with 140000 kms. It had sagging headliners,
passenger window off track, and a ding in the middle of the hood. It was
equipped with a single after market custom turbo, lowered front suspension
(stock rear height made the stance look like a late '60's
Mopar street rod), and a cellular phone. Interior was in good shape (apart
from the headliners), and the frame was rust free. It fetched a mere $14000
CDN. I'm sure a private sale might have resulted in a higher price... oh well,
the owner seemed pleased enough.
I was able to purchase a DMC promotional pamphlet in the tri-fold leatherette
case in perfect condition. I've never seen this before, but it looked pretty
special, and I knew I had to have it. Are there a lot of these around? The same
guy also had various other Delorean literature including the large promo
booklet (both Irish and USA printings), two different styles of small three fold
pamphlets, a dealer listing, and a couple of magazine articles. I was pretty
impressed, since DMC stuff is usually as rare as hen's teeth at these type of
events.
There were two other Deloreans auctioned off yesterday, both '81's, and both
of which I was not able to see. Any information on the going prices Dennis?
Well, that's all for now.
Take care all.
Eric
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From: Calducati@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Deloreans and
emissions
Jim,
Can you post the actual readings and at what rpm level they are at. When
there is just a high Hydrocarbon reading, it usally indicates a engine misfire.
A bad spark plug, bad spark plugs wires, lean fuel mixture, and other problem
can cause this condition. By looking at the other readings, I
might be able to direct you in the right direction.
David
ASE Master Auto Technician
California Licensed Smog Technician
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From: Nexus6Neon@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Another DeLorean poster
Hi, gang!
Found another, pretty nice-looking DeLorean poster at
http://www.ohio.net/~pie1/posters/index.html
Once you're at the website, click on "Classic Cars" to see the DeLorean poster. I
bought a copy of it a few weeks ago; on first glance it appears to be a right-
hand drive model, although careful inspection reveals that the windshield
wipers are pointing in the wrong direction, meaning that the negative was
just reversed. Still, it's a pretty good shot of the car, and surprisingly
inexpensive!
Brian Henderlong
Nexus6Neon@aol.com
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