DeLorean Mailing List - 4/21/97
dmcnews-digest Monday, 21 April 1997 Volume 02 : Number 234
In this issue:
Re: backfire and spluttering
More VIN Mystery
RE: DMC keychain?
Re: DMC keychain?
RE: More VIN Mystery
DeLo purchased
re:backfire and spluttering
81, 82 and 83 chronology UPDATE
Re: DMC keychain & keyblanks
Web Links
Re: DMC keychain?
British car show in May (New Jersey)
Re: British car show in May (New Jersey)
Re: British car show in May (New Jersey)
RE: More VIN Mystery
re:backfire and spluttering
Valve Timing
British car show
Re: Engine problem
Re: backfire and spluttering
Re: Years of Foreign Car Titles in the U.S. Gullwing Cars
Need feedback !
List moderation and operation
DMC as a 1st car? Am I being stupid?
Auto transmission computer replacement
Re: Auto transmission computer replacement
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997
22:06:31 +0000
Subject: Re: backfire and spluttering
At 04:01 PM 4/16/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello DeLorean cracks,
>But when you drive and accelerate, the engine backfires and starts
spluttering. (Ignition timing is checked and ok) Only when you give gas little
by little the car drives without this strange behavior.
>Arne
You could have a vacuum leak somewhere. I'd guess several things were
disturbed when replacing the cam.
Bruce Benson
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From: Mpeak@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: More VIN Mystery
One point I would like to bring up about the VIN mystery that might help
somebody else figure it out is that I have noticed an extremely high number
of cars were produced in October of '81. My car has VIN 4428 and is an October
'81 model, and I have heard of other October '81's as low as the low
2 thousands and as high as the high 6 thousands. Did DMC produce the most
cars in October '81, or were VIN's skipped? If the VIN's hold true, that means
about half of the Deloreans ever made were made in October of 1981.
Matt Peak
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From: SKYWALKER
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 9:39:46 -0400
Subject: RE: DMC keychain?
I've seen the BTTF keychains recently, any of the BTTF sites on the web
probably sell them, but I've never seen a DMC keychain that wasn't the time
machine. If i find them, i'll post the url's for the sites later today.
Tim "Skywalker" Waters
wat6539@duncan.cup.edu
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From: raddad@cmn.net
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:51:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: DMC keychain?
Sandro wrote ---
>Hello everyone- I've been somewhat of a lurker for quite some time, and I
suppose I'll make my grand entrance with a silly question: Would anyone
happen to know where I could get a DMC keychain?
THe DOA puts out a key chain with the DOA logo on it.
Dick Ryan
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From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997
10:34:08 -0400
Subject: RE: More VIN Mystery
with that in mind.....my car is an Aug 81 and is Vin 3472....
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mpeak@aol.com [SMTP:Mpeak@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17,
1997 11:34 PM
>To: dmcnews@world.std.com
>Subject: More VIN Mystery
>One point I would like to bring up about the VIN mystery that might help
somebody else figure it out is that I have noticed an extremely high number
>of cars were produced in October of '81. My car has VIN 4428 and is an
October '81 model, and I have heard of other October '81's as low as the low
>2 thousands and as high as the high 6 thousands. Did DMC produce the
most cars in October '81, or were VIN's skipped? If the VIN's hold true, that
means about half of the Deloreans ever made were made in October of 1981.
>Matt Peak
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From: "Murray Fisher"
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:37:05 -0700
Subject: DeLo purchased
Hi everyone,
Re my request for finding a DeLorean that satisfied me, the hunt is over.
I appreciate all the input, both in cars for sale and where to find them and
what to look for.
I found one in Everett Wa and picked it up April 8th and drove it home (350
miles). It is just what I was looking for and I am very happy with it. It is
stainless, Automatic, gray leather and had 3443 miles on it when
I got it! From research and people who know the previous owner (who
bought
it new the day JZD was hit with the drug bust!!) and the condition of the car I
am sure the mileage is correct. The Seattle Times thought it would make a
good story so took a picture of the owners wife (a pretty blonde gal) in the car
and it hit the Associated Press...so that picture is reputed to have been
publicized as much or more than the one with JZD in handcuffs. I have a
copy of some of the newspaper clippings as well as the
original window price sticker and many other of his memorabilia!
The car is all original and VIN 5962. It was always garaged. It was licensed
each year and driven quite often and he was aware of trying to keep the miles
low so no REAL long distances.
I purchased an Audiovox Model CCS-100 cruise control and am just reading
the instructions. If anyone has any advice on this particular model, please tell
about it. Sears no longer carries them and this one seems to be the ONLY one
I could find and was in ALL of the auto parts places I checked into.
One other question. My OTHER hobby is ham radio and I am looking for
another DeLorian owner with that hobby and any suggestions as to neat
installations of ham gear including antennas, in the car.
Murray Fisher
EMail: murrayf@bmi.net
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From: "Marc Levy" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997
11:21:34 -0400
Subject: re:backfire and spluttering
>Hello DeLorean cracks,
>Now, the car starts immediately, runs good and quiet while standing.
>But when you drive and accelerate, the engine backfires and starts
spluttering. (Ignition timing is checked and OK) Only when you give gas little
by little the car drives without this strange behavior.
>The new camshaft was bought from DeLorean One (so it should be the right
one).
>Has anybody an idea, what could be the reason for this strange behavior ?
>Even if the guy in the garage is sure, he installed everything correct, and I
know, that he is not a novice, I can only imagine, that he >did something
wrong !?
I have not done any major engine work on my D yet, but I have done some
other rebuilds.
What you are describing can be caused by a the cam not being aligned properly
when the
timing chain was installed.
Assuming that the Distributor is driven off of the camshaft (like most cars,
again
never gone in to that much detail on the D) you would be able to set the
timing correctly
according to a timing light if the camshaft was a few teeth off (as long as
the engine
will run). In reality, because the crank and cam are a few degrees off, your
timing is
incorrect.
When you set the timing with a light, you turn the distributor so that the
timing marks
line up on the crankshaft. Well, if the valve is opening before it is supposed
to, then
you will get a backfire. You only get the backfire under hard execration
because the
timing is adjusted under those conditions. I suspect you also have no power
when this
happens.
If the timing is "correct", and you get a backfire, that means you are getting
spark when
the valve is open. We know that the valve's are not stuck open because it
does not happen
all the time, so the only other thing I can think of is that the timing chain was
not
installed properly.
Let us know how you make out!
Good luck,
Marc
marc.levy@prudential.com
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From: James Espey
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 08:20:14 -0000
Subject: 81, 82 and 83 chronology UPDATE
Sorry for the delay in getting this out - a BIG thanks to everyone who has
submitted information for this chronology. Things I noticed this time around
include:
1. No cars made in April 81 yet? Web, what's your month? 2. No consecutive
number cars yet.
3. Would like to know the month of car #10059 and 11152. 4. Anything after
January 82 and before August 82? 5. According to the various books, when did
JZD double production? 6. Anyone want to tally where the cars are by state,
and which states are missing?
7. Several prominent list contributors are missing from the list - where's your
info?
If you sent in info and it's not here, I didn't get it - please send again - I am
now sending confirmations to all who send in their data - thanks, and keep
'em coming!
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com COMING APRIL 21st -
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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1981 DeLorean Production Chronology (32) - ----------------------------------------------
-
00577 Mar 81 Scott Sykes (New Jersey), black, 5-speed 01049 ??? 81 Web Bixby
(Missouri), black, 5 speed 01280 May 81 Mike Substelny (Ohio), black, 5 speed
01482 May 81 Tom Long (Georgia), black, 5 speed 01523 May 81 Scott Ciszek
(Virginia), black, 5 speed 01529 May 81 Chase Clark (Missouri), black, 5-speed
01606 Jun 81 Ralph Sandstrom (Illinois), black, 5 speed 02255 Jul 81 Markus
Gunkel (Germany), black 5 speed 02273 Jul 81 Jameel Ahed (Illinois), black, 5-
speed 02320 Jul 81 Richard Strecker (Ohio), black, 5 speed 02781 Aug 81 Bob
Benyon (Rhode Island), black, auto 02860 Aug 81 Chris Rabalais (Arizona),
black, 5 speed 02981 Aug 81 Scott Mueller (California), grey, 5-speed 03153 Aug
81 Ray Haug (California), Grey, 5 speed 03472 Aug 81 Michael Babb (North
Carolina), grey, 5 speed 03476 Aug 81 Joel Matos (Puerto Rico), grey, 5 speed
03583 Sept 81 Bob Benyon (Rhode Island), black, auto 03864 Sep 81 Name
Withheld (California), black, 5-speed 03886 Sep 81 Bob Kidd (Ohio), black, 5-
speed 04155 Sep 81 Guy Boutet (Quebec), black, 5 speed 04428 Oct 81 Matt Peak
(California), grey, 5-speed 04556 Oct 81 Vincent Voss (Alaska), grey, 5 speed
04883 Oct 81 Garry Hewitt (United Kingdom), grey, 5 speed 05203 Oct 81 Jason
Winter (Texas), grey, 5 speed 05319 Oct 81 Bill Burden (Alabama), grey, 5 speed
05962 Oct 81 Murray Fisher (Washington), grey, automatic 06250 Nov 81
Dennis Listenberger (Indiana), grey, automatic 06530 Nov 81 Dick Ryan
(Colorado), grey, auto 06569 Nov 81 Bruce Battles (Tennessee), grey, 5 speed
06623 Nov 81 Dan Berglund (Washingotn), grey, 5 speed 06810 Nov 81 Kevin
Wolter (Illinois), grey, 5-speed 06882 Nov 81 Raz D'Angelo (Florida) grey,
automatic 06884 Nov 81 James Nichols Sr (Texas), grey, 5 speed 07134 Nov 81
Phillip Pratt (Texas), grey, 5 speed
1982 DeLorean Production Chronology (15) - ----------------------------------------------
-
10059 ??? 81 Name Withheld (California)
10209 Dec 81 Ron and Margaret Jackson (Arizona) 10213 Dec 81 Michael
Gaines (New Jersey), grey, 5 speed 10251 Dec 81 Eddy Cue (California)
10410 Dec 81 Tom Ghesquiere (Texas), grey, 5 speed 10570 Dec 81 James Espey
(Arizona), grey, 5 speed 10574 Dec 81 Dennis Adams (Wisconsin), grey, 5-
speed 10675 Dec 81 Marty Maier (Illinois), grey, 5 speed 10688 Dec 81 Steve
Brodsky (Texas), grey, 5-speed 10696 Dec 81 DeLorean Motor Company (Texas)
10788 Dec 81 Don Gowler (Illinois)
11152 ??? ?? Trinity M. Barbuto (Massachusetts) 11529 Jan 82 Bryan Pearce
(Illinois)
11554 Jan 82 Aaron Mills (Michigan)
11594 Jan 82 David Olson (Wisconsin), black, 5-speed
1983 DeLorean Production Chronology (11) - ----------------------------------------------
15880 Aug 82 Doug Venner (New Jersey), grey, 5-speed 16000 Aug 82 Marv
Sterling (New York), grey, 5-speed 16344 Aug 82 Knut Grimsrud (Oregon),
grey, 5-speed 16348 Aug 82 Ray Haug (California), grey, automatic 16381 Aug
82 Michael Reinemuth (Heidelberg / Germany) 16422 Aug 82 Ray Petragallo
(Nevada)
16873 Aug 82 Jeffrey Altman (Florida), grey, 5 -speed 17015 Sep 82 Robert S.
Rodgers (New Jersey), black, 5-speed 17065 Sep 82 Eric Hennebury (Toronto),
grey, 5-speed 17106 Sep 82 Michael Fischer (Calgary) grey, 5-speed 20095 Dec 82
Name Withheld (New Jersey), grey, 5-speed (10th from last made)
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From: Ddl52@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DMC keychain &
keyblanks
Jesser's Classic Keys in Ohio sold Delorean keychains awhile back. The phone
number is 330-376-8181. BTW, they also had a few original DMC key blanks
for
sale ($75 each??).
Sincerely, Dennis DDL52@aol.com
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From: "Jeff Phillips, x4300" Date:
Fri, 18 Apr 97 11:13:33 MDT
Subject: Web Links
Hey everyone, I want to try and get a good list of DeLorean links to include in
my page. If you have a web site that is related to the D or has
pictures please email me personally and I'll put in a link for you. I know
that these have been posted in the past but it'd take too long to sift through all
the mail looking for the silly things.. Perhaps we should start
a DeLorean Web Circle.
Jeff Phillips
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From: Scott Tester Date: Fri, 18
Apr 1997 14:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DMC keychain?
At 06:56 PM 4/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello everyone- I've been somewhat of a lurker for quite some time, and I
suppose I'll make my grand entrance with a silly question: Would anyone
happen to know where I could get a DMC keychain?
I saw A DMC keychain in Hemmings Motor News a year ago or so. You
might want
to look through back issues of HMN. It was in the very front with color
pictures, the company also sold many other keychains.
Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
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From: DMC12
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:16:16 -0400
Subject: British car show in May (New Jersey)
I was wondering if anyone is attending the May 18th British car show in Mt.
Laurel New Jersey? It's only $8 to register. I know I'll be there with my
DeLorean, and I hope to see other DeLorean owners there. E-mail me if you
want more info on the event.
BTW Did anyone attend the door adj. day in New Hope last week? Did the
event still take place, I know it rained last Sat. If anyone was there, how was
it?
Doug Venner
'83 DeLorean #15880
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From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997
15:48:05 -0500
Subject: Re: British car show in May (New Jersey)
DMC12 wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone is attending the May 18th British car show in Mt.
Laurel New Jersey? It's only $8 to register. I know I'll be there with my
DeLorean, and I hope to see other DeLorean owners there. E-mail me if you
want more info on the event.
Haven't decided if I'm going to attend. I've never been in a car show.
>BTW Did anyone attend the door adj. day in New Hope last week? Did the
event still take place, I know it rained last Sat. If anyone was there, how was
it?Fun. Yes, it rained; yes, it was cold. I think there were more cars there than
Rob could deal with. He didn't even get to mine. It got to the point where
people were doing their own door adjustments because time was getting
short. Everyone there was great to talk to. Better than So. Cal. I tell you :)
Doug: on a personal note, email me the info. I have nothing to do that day I
don't think :)
Mike
VIN #10213
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From: sundiver@hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu (J) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:33:46
-0400
Subject: Re: British car show in May (New Jersey)
Hi. This is the first I've heard of the show, but I would be interested in going.
Could you give me some more information about it? Thanks.
My Delorean isn't show quality, but it still drives and looks good.
- - J
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From: franka@midwest.net (Frank Augustine) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:41:23
-0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: More VIN Mystery
>with that in mind.....my car is an Aug 81 and is Vin 3472....
Mine is Sept. 81 ... VIN # 4181 ....
It was my understanding years ago (which of course could be wrong ) that
foreign cars could be titled in the U.S. in the year they were SOLD and not
the year they were built. This would make the 82's 83's etc ....
=============================================================
Frank A. Augustine
FOTOZ Color Lab 618-533-2244
franka@midwest.net
http://www.angelfire.com/il/fotoz/fotoz.html
http://www.angelfire.com/il/fotoz/viper.html
=============================================================
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From: Nikki Schumann Date: Sat, 19 Apr
1997 02:52:33 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: re:backfire and spluttering
Hello Everyone.
I think Mark Levy has a good point about the ignition timing not being
correct.
I had the timing belt changed on my car (Not a D) and the mechanic
mistakedly aligned the distributor drive pulley (also driven from the timing
belt but *NOT* off the camshaft) incorrectly and the car was doing exactly
what has been described. It would run pretty smoothly while idling, and then
sputter as soon as I tried to give it even the slightest amount of gas.
When I confronted the mechanic with this problem he said that he checked
and
rechecked the alignment of the camshaft and found it to be correct (it was).
Only the third time I managed to get him to check the ignition timing as well,
at which point realized his mistake !
BTW, does the PRV have a timing belt or a chain system ?
>What you are describing can be caused by a the cam not being aligned
properly when the
>timing chain was installed.
>Assuming that the Distributor is driven off of the camshaft (like most cars,
again
>never gone in to that much detail on the D) you would be able to set the
timing correctly
>according to a timing light if the camshaft was a few teeth off (as long as
>the engine
>will run). In reality, because the crank and cam are a few degrees off, your
timing is
>incorrect.
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997
04:15:30 +0000
Subject: Valve Timing
>Assuming that the Distributor is driven off of the camshaft (like most cars,
again
>never gone in to that much detail on the D) you would be able to set the
timing correctly
>according to a timing light if the camshaft was a few teeth off (as long as
>the engine
>will run). In reality, because the crank and cam are a few degrees off, your
timing is
>incorrect.
Arnie said he had one cam replaced. The DeLorean has two cams. If the valve
timing is off a tooth on one cam, changing ignition timing won't help. He
said he had confidence in his mechanic and I always feel that starting with
the simple things first is the best approach. Many items had to be removed to
facilitate removing the cam. There is a very good chance that an intake leak
(ie. vacuum leak) could be the source of his problem and is relatively
easy to substantiate.
Bruce Benson
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From: DMC12
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:43:33 -0400
Subject: British car show
I see a few people have already showed interest in the Car show on May 18th
in N.J. I hope to see many DeLorean owners from the area. E-mail me if you
need any info.
Doug Venner
#15880
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From: Calducati@aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Engine problem
Hi gang,
Quick note on diagnosing no start condition where the engine turns over. If
there is spark and you suspect a lack of fuel use propane to verify this.
I
use a small bottle with a standard flame tip on it. Remove the tip and drill
the end of it to it is unobstructed to the propane. Then use an appropriate
size fuel line that fits tightely over the tip. You can now use the propane
at the intake of the engine to verify if the problem is fuel related. Start
off with the valve only open very slightly while someone else cranks over
the
engine. Open the valve progressively farther each time. Remember to allow
the starter so time to cool down between starting attempts. If there is a fuel
delivery problem where the engine is not getting enough fuel, the engine
will then start and run on propane for a brief moment. This is also a excellent
way to find vacuum leaks for the engine. By inducing propane(an alternative
fuel) to a vacuum leak( such as a leaking vacuum hose or intake
manifold gasket) the engine rpm will rise slightly. WARNING: PROPANE IS
A
FUEL AND THEREFORE IS COMBUSTIBLE. KEEP AWAY FROM SPARK ,
HEAT, AND ANY OTHER POTENTIAL AREA THAT MIGHT CAUSE A
FIRE. For professional use, go to
your local NAPA AUTO PARTS store and order up a propane enrichment
kit. This
kit comes with a safety push button valve and dial valve. The approximate
cost is $85.00. AGAIN. WARNING!!!! PROPANE IS A FUEL AND SHOULD
BE TREATED
WITH CARE AND TAKING ALL NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS. ALWAYS
HAVE A FIRE EXTINGUISHER NEARBY.
David
(calducati@aol.com)
ASE Master Auto Technician
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From: steve brodsky Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997
11:47:45 -0700
Subject: Re: backfire and spluttering
Nikki Schumann wrote:
(SNIP)
>BTW, does the PRV have a timing belt or a chain system ?
dual chains
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From: GullWinged@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Years of Foreign Car
Titles in the U.S.
>It was my understanding years ago (which of course could be wrong that
foreign cars could be titled in the U.S. in the year they were SOLD and not the
year they were built.
This is very true. I know it for a fact as I have seen 1981 and 1982 MGBs and
1980 MG Midgets listed for sale, even though the Midget was discontinued in
'79 and the last production year of the MGB was 1980. In these cases, the cars
were titled based on the year the dealer sold them and not when they were
manufactured.
Similar to the above is that the 1998 cars will be out late this summer or early
fall, even though we know they were produced in 1997 and not the coming
year. Just throwing my hat into the ring of discussion.
Chase
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From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE" Date: Sun, 20 Apr
1997 13:41:26 -0400
Subject: Gullwing Cars
Hello all!
I have been trying to find pictures of all the different cars that were produced
with gullwing doors....
So far I have DeLorean (naturally), Mercedes 300SL, and the Bricklin. Anyone
know of any others??
Hope everyone has had a good weekend!
Michael Babb
Microsoft Systems Engineer
DMC #3472
mikebabb@vnet.net
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From: "Brandon S. Moody" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 97 22:59:41
PDT
Subject: Need feedback !
OK, here is the story.
Has anyone ever thought about making the doors on your car automatic ? I
own both a 1975 Bricklin SV-1 and a 1982 DMC-12, As some of you may know,
Both the DMC and Bricklin had Gull-wing doors, but the really cool thing
about the Bricklin was that the doors were Hydraulic, just a touch of a button
would open them. I soon after about 3 months of planning and work,
converted my DMC to an automatic Door system. I am now working on
doing the same thing to a friends DMC.
What I want to know is, If I went one step further and created a "do-it
yourself"
kit, complete with EVERYTHING needed to convert your car to automatic
doors,
would anyone be interested ? It is a really cool feature and add a dramatic
effect
when pulling into parking lots or just sitting in traffic. The conversion is
hardly even
noticable, and only takes up a small portion of your truck space. ANY
FEEDBACK
ON THIS SUBJECT WILL BE APPRECIATED.
THANKS !
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From: James Espey
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 97 14:25:18 -0000
Subject: List moderation and operation
As I have been busily wrapping up the new pages and tending to ote details in
my life, my moderation of the list has slid a bit. Let's review:
"The scope of the list is for the discussion of the DeLorean automobile, man
and company."
Some people will disagree with my interpretation of what is "okay" and what
is "not okay", but I try to keep it DeLorean-related at all times. I reject a lot of
postings for oil additives, waterless car wash systems, fuel additives, etc.
Things you can do to help me include:
1. Make your subject lines reflect the content of your post. Summarize your
post in your subject line. This makes it easier to go and find something in the
back issues, too. Depending on my mood at the time, I'll either send it
anyway, bounce it back to you or fix it myself.
2. When replying to a posting - think for a minute - does it need to go to the
whole list or just the person to whom you are replying? This is te second
most common cause for a message getting rejected.
3. Also when replying to a post, only quote the necessary portion of the
message in your response. Feel free to (SNIP) out portions that are irrelevent
to your reply.
Thanks for your help!
James Espey
List Moderator
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From: e/evan/altendorf Date: Sun, 20 Apr
1997 17:52:51 -0700
Subject: DMC as a 1st car? Am I being stupid?
Hi all, I'm new on this list.
I'm 19 and, due to stinginess (sp?), have never owned a car before (I figure
that had I bought a car when I was 16, after gas and insurance I'd be about $6K
behind at this point).
Now I'm considering buying one ... at first I was thinking something like an
early 80's Corolla, 200SX, or maybe a Celica. Something I could get for $1K-2K.
But yesterday, just for fun, I checked prices, and I realized that I could actually
buy that car I had always thought was so incredibly cool... :)
The question is: am I being stupid? Would this be a dumb move? A cheap
one (say $10K) wouldn't put me in debt, but it would sure chop out almost all
of my savings. And it's not just an investment of money, either. I'd have to
learn everything about it so that I could troubleshoot it and work on it
myself...
I think I'm just being insane and obsessive ... but it was a good excuse to say hi
to everyone. :)
- -e.
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From: Bora450@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Auto transmission
computer replacement
You wrote:
>From: sim001@ici.net
>Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:21:43 -0500
>Subject: Re: Flex Tape / Manifold Gaskets / Auto Trans. Computer
>Has anyone ever Changed the Auto Trans. Computer or the Exhaust
manifold gasket on the drivers side.
>I didn't get a chance to check it out yet. Is it a pain? Thanks, Josh
First, the automatic transmission computer is available from any of the DMC
service centers or from a Jeep/Eagle dealership parts department as part
number T1585496.
The computer/governor is mounted on the right side of the transmission. It's
cable is attached to the test connector located in the engine compartment,
under the engine compartment light switch on the firewall. The cable from
the rectangular section of the connector attaches to the neutral safety switch,
mounted below the governor. The cable from the round section of the
test connector goes to the solenoids inside the transmission.
Remove the two connectors attached to the rectangular part of the test
connector. Pull the test connector toward the rear of the car to remove it
from the mounting bracket and push it down between other components
until it
falls free. Note how you accomplished this to facilitate routing the new one
back up. Get under the car -- do use jack stands -- and unclip the cables until
the cables and connector are free on the floor under the governor.
Note that the round part of the connector has five pins. The three center pins
are hexagonal and can be unscrewed. Draw the connector and list the wire
colors as you remove the three pins. Unclip the cable clamp and pull the cable
out of the connector. Do the same with the new connector and install the
original cable into the new connector. This saves draining the
oil, removing the pan, switching the cable inside the transmission, replacing
the pan gasket and reassembling.
Route the connector up to the engine compartment and use tie-wraps to
secure
the cables, frequently enough so that they do not vibrate. Reinstall the
connector onto the bracket and reconnect the mating connectors.
The governor is is held in place with two socket head screws and can now be
replaced. After the old one is removed, pull off the plastic shaft and attach it
to the new governor before installing.
Place an oil drain pan under the neutral safety switch. The switch's alignment
bracket can be removed with it's two socket head screws. Do not remove the
switch yet. Slip the new switch in as soon as you remove the old
one and hardly any oil will be lost. Replace the bracket with the tang on the
switch body inside the alignment forks on the bracket. (If the starter
does not engage after this replacement, the switch is slightly twisted or one
of the mating connectors at the rectangular part of the test connector is not
making good contact.)
Tie wrap the cables together at this end and insure that they do not touch
anything hot.
Note: It is a good idea to replace the oil once a year so if you have not replaced
it recently, you might as well do it now. Only about two quarts of
the 1.6 gallons are replaced each time that you drain the pan. If the oil smells
burned or is not pink, seek professional help.
I think that I have remembered it all but feel free to contact me if you require
additional assistance. Claus Groth
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From: SCDREYERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Auto transmission
computer replacement
Thanks for the computer replacement info. How can I tell if the A/T slipping
is caused by the mechanicals in the A/T or the computer control? Any help
would be greatly appreciated.
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