DeLorean Mailing List - 4/25/97
dmcnews-digest Friday, 25 April 1997 Volume 02 : Number 235
In this issue:
DMCNEWS.COM is here!
new site comments...
Parts 4 Sale Totaled 81 5spd Grey
My DeLorean #2981 Photo Online
KAPAC sells entire inventory to Stephen Wynne
Re: KAPAC sells entire inventory
Re: KAPAC sells entire inventory to Stephen Wynne
seats
Re: Auto transmission computer replacement
Start problem
Re: Start problem
Re: DMC as first car?
Air filter.
Water pump.
Brake fluid. BEWARE.
I'm back. Now as an owner!
Re: International DMC Club
Re: Water pump and air filter
DMCNEWS.COM site updated
Water Pumps
Re: DMCs in THE NEED FOR SPEED 2
Re: Automatic Transmission on DeLorean
SS rust...
Re: EuroFest Hotel Reservations
More Power
Re: Air filter.
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From: James Espey
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 07:31:43 -0000
Subject: DMCNEWS.COM is here!
A new home for the back issues and some other neat stuff is now online at:
http://www.dmcnews.com/
There are still a few broken links, and a missing graphic or two, but the meat
of the site is up and ready. As significant updates are made, notices will be
posted to the list. In the meantime, check it out and send any feedback to
"webguy@dmcnews.com".
Thanks!
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: Jack Danuke
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 07:52:22 -0000
Subject: new site comments...
If you haven't checked out the new DeLorean Mailing List site, check it out
NOW!
It's still a bit incomplete, as James says, but it's really neat. Don't miss the
PDF, it sounds like he's going to make the whole parts manual available
online.
JZD in NJ
(no, not that one)
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From: fordgb@aur.alcatel.com (George B. Ford) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 16:28:33
EDT
Subject: Parts 4 Sale Totaled 81 5spd Grey
At the end of January, my 81 5spd, grey D was rammed from the rear. After
much back and forth, It was finally totaled. (of course the guy had the lowest
possible coverage etc etc).
I purchased the car back as salvage to get parts to "finish" my other 81
Delorean, but am willing to sell whatever I do not require.
Rear bumper, right rear skin, rear tub, right rear window bent and broken
beyond use. Exhaust bent but maybe repairable, frame ok I think, also did not
get into the engine.
Let me know by e-mail what you are interested in, and if possible, what it
might be worth to you and we can discuss it. The car is in Raleigh, North
Carolina.
Contact me at either
fordgb@aur.alcatel.com
gbfmif@intrex.net
Thanks
george
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From: "Scott Mueller" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97
00:40:29 UT
Subject: My DeLorean #2981 Photo Online
My first published photograph is available for your viewing pleasure. Check
out the DeLorean Owners Association web site {http:\\www.delorean-
owners.org},
no brackets in address.
I took this photo when I participated in the Monterey British Car Meet, April
5, 1997.
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From: James Espey
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 18:22:22 -0000
Subject: KAPAC sells entire inventory to Stephen Wynne
As some of those on the list were aware, The DeLorean Parts Depot at
KAPAC, the company that bought the remaining parts from the DeLorean
factory and the U.S. Warranty Parts Center, has been sold to Stephen Wynne
and DeLorean Motor Company of Houston, Texas.
At the open house last fall, Marvin Katz, owner of KAPAC, said that the
DeLorean parts were a small part of his overall business interests. And, I've
been told by others that KAPAC's gross sales had been declining as far as
DeLorean parts sales were concerned.
The KAPAC staffers we're most familiar with, Jane Nebel and Jackie Bates,
told me today that they both will miss their many DeLorean friends from
around the world that they have met through KAPAC, saying "it's like losing
a friend". Others will remember Jerry Rine, who had been negotiating to buy
the parts from KAPAC, left the company a few months ago.
What this means to DeLorean owners is still unfolding. KAPAC had not
raised prices since 1991, and had actually reduced prices on a few big items.
Sources say that Stephen plans to continue with a modified "dealer" program
like KAPAC's by continuing to sell to the other parts facilities. General
consensus is that there will be no immediate price increases, either. Another
source close to Stephen says "owners shouldn't be afraid of the change". Ed
Bernstein, former business partner of Stephen Wynne and current president
of the DeLorean Owners Association, was asked for his thoughts on the deal
but he declined to comment.
Stephen Wynne is wrapping up the deal in Ohio. He says he expects to
become "a bit of a recluse" over the next year as he begins the task of re-
inventorying the warehouse which has not been completely inventoried
since 1983. Integrating it with his company while attempting to maintain
"business as usual" with what he refers to as "dealers" (the prominent
parts/service facilities) is expected to also be a challenge.
Stephen did say that KAPAC's order line will be switched to ring his Houston
office some time next week, but for the time being the parts will remain in
Columbus. We spoke briefly about the engineering drawings which were a
part of the sale and Stephen said that his goal is "one-hundred percent parts
availability to everyone".
With the largest stockpile of parts changing hands, a new international
owners club forming, and the expansion of DeLorean-related internet sites,
1997 promises to be an interesting year for DeLorean owners and enthusiasts.
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997
07:53:42 -0400
Subject: Re: KAPAC sells entire inventory
I shall miss Jerry, Jane, and Jackie! It was always a pleasure to deal with Kapac
for DeLorean parts. Marvin Katz is quite a dynamic character himself, as we
saw at last year's open house.
For those who don't know Jerry Rine, he is quite the DeLorean Guru. He
knows details about the mechanics as well as the history of the car. I wish he
would write an occasional piece for DeLorean World. If anyone knows what
he is doing these days please encourage him to .
We should not let this event alarm us in any way. Stephen Wynne runs a
first-class operation.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Tue, 22 Apr
1997 08:44:35 -0500
Subject: Re: KAPAC sells entire inventory to Stephen Wynne
James and all,
This is good news. Old news to me...I knew about this a while ago; I was just
asked not to mention it publically. The repurcussions COULD be that parts
that were thought to be unavailable become available again simply because
they'd be found in inventory. What this means 10 years down the line is not
known. It would be nice to have new cars made up if someone is willing to
take the engineering specs and start from scratch.
I'm also glad that Steve got it and not Ed. We'd surely see a hike in the parts'
cost to reflect that "So. Cal" lifestyle. Did I mention that I'm not renewing my
DOA membership this year? Congratulations to Steve and to all DMC owners
for this. I think we'll all benefit from this.
Mike
VIN 10213 NJ
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From: DMC12
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:35:40 -0400
Subject: seats
My drivers side seat is starting to split and crack from age and I am wondering
if anyone knows of the best place to get the new covers? how much do the
cost? Thanx
Doug Venner
'83 #15880 N.J.
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From: Mike Hirko
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:07:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Auto transmission computer replacement
SNIP>
>I think that I have remembered it all but feel free to contact me if you
require additional assistance. Claus Groth
WOW! Thanks, Claus Groth! That's the kind of response ALL of us can
appreciate! WELL DONE!!! How do you know this amount of detail? Where
have you been? Will you be around forever (hope so!) wawazat1 (aka Mike
Hirko)
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From: michael richard pack Date: Wed, 23 Apr
1997 03:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Start problem
Hello
I'm sorry that the pictures are not up yet. I purchased another DMC this week
,and I'm busy getting it running. It's a 1981 Black Auto w/12, 400 miles. Vin
3713 Sept 81.
The car runs great except for when I drive it and shut if off. 15 minutes later it
will not start, however if I push on the gas and hold it down it will
eventually start afer 2-3 minutes.
What should I do?
Michael Pack
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From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:34:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Start problem
Michael wrote,
>The car runs great except for when I drive it and shut if off. 15 minutes later
it will not start, however if I push on the gas and hold it down it will
eventually start afer 2-3 minutes.
>What should I do?
Replace the "fuel accumulator". Classic symptom of a bad one.
Chris
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997
09:13:18 -0400
Subject: Re: DMC as first car?
e (Evan?) said:
>I'm 19 and, due to stinginess (sp?), have never owned a car before . . .
>. . . I checked prices,and I realized that I could actually buy that car
(DeLorean) I had always thought was so incredibly cool...
>The question is: am I being stupid? A cheap one (say $10K) wouldn't
put me in debt, but it would sure chop out almost all of my savings.
I see no single reason why a DeLorean wouldn't be a great first car, although
there are a couple things that would make it a challenge.
First, there are $10K DeLoreans out there, but if you buy one you had best be
prepared to spend quite a bit on upkeep in that first year just to keep it
running.
Second, even if the bargain-of-the-century cherry DeLorean for $10K falls into
your lap you will have trouble affording insurance. DeLorean insurance is
not too expensive (compared to some exotic cars), but it's a lot higher than an
87 Camry. As I recall when I was 19 my insurance rates were terrible enough
when I drove a boring Chevy! You should find out what your insurance rate
would be before you buy.
If you really want a DeLorean my advice is to start shopping now and don't
fall in love with the first one you drive. Join the DOA and subscribe to the
DML to learn all you can. In your price range you need to be very careful. It
may take a year or two for you to find the right one, and by then you should
have a few thousand more dollars available.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: Rob Hook
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:58:07 -0400
Subject: Air filter.
Does anyone have a cross-reference number for the air filter? There are no
markings of any kind on mine and none of the local shops can find a listing
for it.
- --Rob Hook
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From: Rob Hook
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:49:00 -0400
Subject: Water pump.
The water pump on my DeLorean is bad. It leaks rather profusely from just
behind the pulley. I'm assuming this is the seal gone bad. I called my local
auto parts store (Yates) and they quoted $330.00 plus $10.00 shipping. I then
called P.J. Grady and got $229.75 plus shipping. This still seems a little steep as
the water pump appears to be a rather simple
unit. Does anyone have a cross-reference part number for this?
- --Rob Hook
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From: Rob Hook
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:56:48 -0400
Subject: Brake fluid. BEWARE.
Be VERY careful about what brake fluid you use in your DeLorean! I just
purchased a used DeLorean and the previous owner said "someone" had put
the
wrong brake fluid in it and the master cylinder had frozen because of it.
When I got it home and checked, you wouldn't believe the mess I found! The
master cylinder was full of brown gunk about the consistency of pudding!
YUK! I got a new master cylinder from P.J. Grady and some Castrol GTLMA
brake fluid as someone on this list recommended it at one point. Before I put
this stuff in, is it completely safe for the DeLorean's brake system? I'm
considering silicone since I have to flush the entire system out now anyway
but I might not bother since there's no paint on the DeLorean for regular
fluid to ruin and the performance of silicone brake fluid is questionable. Has
anyone on the list done this before?
- --Rob Hook
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From: Rob Hook
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:49:41 -0400
Subject: I'm back. Now as an owner!
Well, after a long hiatus, I'm back. Between working two jobs and running
my business, I haven't had much time to read the mailing list for some time.
I still have about 400 messages to read so forgive me if some of my
postings are out-of-date over the next couple of days. The really good news is
that, thanks to all that hard work over the past several months, I
was finally able to actually purchase a DeLorean! It's a late '82 #11060 with
80,000 miles. It has some problems that I'm working on now but it runs great.
I did read that someone got the model purchase going again. I would have
liked to order one but I didn't read about it until a few days ago. Sorry
for letting that slip through the cracks but my career really took off, taking
150% of my time. Besides, Art Anderson didn't seem too interested in going
through with this and I couldn't risk any liability the way this other person is.
Glad to see that it worked out though. Has anyone actually gotten or seen a
model yet?
- --Rob Hook
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From: Ddl52@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: International DMC
Club
Does anyone have any information on the international DMC club that is
supposed to be forming? Any details would be appreciated.
Sincerely, Dennis
6250
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997
11:06:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Water pump and air filter
Rob Hook said:
>The really good news is that, thanks to all that hard work over the past
several months, I was finally able to actually purchase a DeLorean!
Rob, good for you! Congratulations! It is always good when a DeLorean is
owned by someone who loves the car.
>The water pump on my DeLorean is bad. It leaks rather profusely from just
behind the pulley.
I don't have the cross ref number (although I'm sure someone can help). You
might call the Kapac / DMC Houston number for a third price quote. Another
alternative might be to just simply remove the pump and take it to a place
that rebuilds them. I've purchased rebuilt water pumps for other cars and
they have performed fine for years.
I can't believe that no local shop has a listing for a DeLorean air filter. Several
manufacturers claim to make one, including Purolator. You live near a big
enough city that you should be able to find someone who can give you that
cross reference number. I don't have the number with me now, but last fall I
found a filter three miles from home after just six phone calls.
- - Mike Substelny
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From: James Espey
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 18:40:53 -0000
Subject: DMCNEWS.COM site updated
Made a few updates to the site over the last couple days, notably:
o Subscribe/Unsubscribe forms are now up and running
o Added the pdf files as FTP downloads. Any problems with these let me
know
o Minor addition to the member directory form, be sure to fill it out!
Plan to get the FAQ up yet this week as well as the production chronology
information. May scrap the photo gallery for a local clubs listing since the
DOA seems to have done away with local chapters and the non-DOA chapters
never really had a centralized site anyway.
Thanks!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
www.dmcnews.com
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
02:00:59 +0000
Subject: Water Pumps
Rob said: "The water pump on my DeLorean is bad. Does anyone have a
cross-reference part number for this?"
The water pump itself is the same as the 2.8 Volvo but the pulley is unique
to the Delorean. The Volvo pump has a flange with four holes, to which the
Volvo pulley is bolted. Darryl Tinnerstet at Specialty Automotive, 360-786-
0243, sold a pulley he designed that would bolt to the Volvo pump and line
up with the rest of the DeLoreans pulleys. You might try calling him to see if
he still sells that pulley. Then price it and a rebuilt Volvo
pump. You may save a couple of bucks.
Bruce Benson
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From: RMoore2208@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DMCs in THE NEED
FOR SPEED 2
The words DeLorean DMC12 are included in the actual game! Under the
"history
of Italdesign" it show the some of the cars Giuar Giurgetto designed, you
guessed it, The DeLorean.
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From: Bora450@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Automatic
Transmission on DeLorean
In a message dated 97-04-22 23:49:12 EDT, you write:
>Subj: Automatic Transmission on DeLorean Date: 97-04-22 23:49:12 EDT
>From: bmims@tyler.net (Bob Mims)
>I have an 81 D with auto transmission. I replaced the computer governor
because it failed. After about 500 miles the transmission started slipping in
and out of third gear. I suspect that there is some cable linkage
misadjustment. Now the thing will not go into 3rd gear at all. Could it be
another computer governor has failed?
Cable adjustment is described in the Technical Manual. I have not performed
this adjustment and cannot offer advise, but I do have some comments that
may
be helpful.
My transmission failed at about 20,000 miles. While driving in third gear,
it would ocasionally slip out of gear. It worked fine again after stopping.
This happened a few times and then the whole transmission acted as if it was
in Neutral. No gears! Examination revealed a twisted main shaft and all
clutch packs demolished. No explanation.
I was told by DeLorean mechanics that a transmission oil cooler is not
required. I installed one anyway, along with an oil thermostat so that the
oil only circulates thru the heat exchanger when it is too hot. I'll dig up
the receipts and describe the installation if requested.
Two computer/governors have failed for me -- so far. I don't remember the
symptoms of the first unit but the second caused the following problems: It
would not return to first gear about half of the time when stopping so the
transmission would start in second gear. While in third gear, it would not
kick down to second gear when the accelerator was 'floored'. When manually
shifted from third to second, it was OK, but the trans would remain in second
after returning to third, even at very high RPM's.
I followed instructions in an article about repairing the computer. The
original unit is back in the car and working fine. The other unit still does
not function correctly.
There are several DeLorean World magazine articles that might help.
Volume 2, No 2, 1984, Pg 14 Auto trans failures due to exhaust Volume 2, No
2, 1984, Pg 14 Auto trans starts in all gears Volume 4, No 3, 1987, Pg 30 Cooling
adequate for Auto? Volume 5, No 1, 1987, Pg 25 Computer/governor failures
Volume 7, No 1, 1990, Pg 33 Optional transmission cooler Volume 9, No 2,
1992, Pg 28 Auto trans diagnosis chart Volume 10, No 2, 1993, Pg 27 Auto trans
computer repair
Claus Groth
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From: "Guy V. Boutet" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
20:52:57 -0400
Subject: SS rust...
Hello everyone,
I've been shocked today when I discovered several tiny spots of rust on my
hood. My car had been stored during this winter, with a cover on it, in a safe
and dry place. I wonder what does that mean.
I don't understand: rust on stainless steel???
Any comments anyone?
Thanks!
Guy V. Boutet
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From: Norman Vennard Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
11:49:01 +0100
Subject: Re: EuroFest Hotel Reservations
Hi Folks,
Robert Lamrock of the Northern Ireland chapter has asked me to mention
that there are only a few rooms left for booking in the Forte Crest hotel in
Dunmurry, Belfast. For you guys coming across for the N.Ireland trip contact
the hotel now, the number is 01232 612101. If you have any problems please
feel free to e-mail me, look forward to meeting all of you coming across.
Regards Norman.
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From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE" Date: Thu, 24 Apr
1997 22:31:26 -0400
Subject: More Power
OK, I have only had my D for about a month, but I want to look into ways = to
get a little more power out of it. What is everyone's take on single = and twin
turbos (or if there are specific back issued that you could = point me to). I also
say that DeLorean Gold (I think) does = "Supercharging." anyone ever had
this done or know of the results? =20
Also if power is a problem, I want to look into at least getting a = throater
sound out of it.
Thanks in advance
Michael Babb
mikebabb@vnet.net =20
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From: James Nichols Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997
23:29:36 +0000
Subject: Re: Air filter.
Rob Hook wrote:
"Does anyone have a cross-reference number for the air filter? There are no
markings of any kind on mine and none of the local shops can find a listing
for it."
The Purilator filter book lists the Delorean and the air, oil, and gas filter
numbers. Your local Pep Boys or other local parts stores should have the
book.
Jim #6884
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