DeLorean Mailing List - 08/05/97


Tuesday, August 5 1997         Volume 02 : Number 266


       In this issue:
        DML: Maybe Calendar available soon
        Re: DML: Legend Industries
        DML: clutch fork needed
        DML: SSI-Copy and German Meeting
        DML: Body structure
        DML: DOA elections ballot
        DML: First Purchase
        DML: \\\\\\\ URGENT /////////  dmc for sale
        DML: out of storage
        DML: Black DMC pictures, anyone?
        Re: DML: out of storage
        DML: Original Dealers and Repair Shops
        Frame Rust/Re: DML: First Purchase
        Re: DML: DOA elections ballot
        Re: DML: Door Radius
        DML: RE: Awesome T-Shirts 4-sale
        DML: Cooling Fan Replacements
        Re: DML: First Purchase
        DML: spelling problems
        DML: Delorean World?
        Re: Frame Rust/Re: DML: First Purchase
        DML: Back together !
        Re: DML: First Purchase
        Re: DML: spelling problems
        Re: DML: spelling problems
        Re: DML: Door Radius
        Re: DML: DOA elections ballot
        Re: DML: Delorean World?
        Re: DML: \\\\\\\ URGENT /////////  dmc for sale
        DML: Re: DML UK Owners'/Enthusiasts' Advice
        DML: Re: DML UK/European Vehicle Servicing
        DML: Personal to Jameel
        Re: DML: First Purchase
        Re:  Re: DML: First Purchase
        DML: Door Radius
        DML: DOA catalog and Membership Directory
        DML: Re: dmcnews-digest V2 #265 -- Speed
        Re: DML: Door Radius
        Re: DML: spelling problems
        Re: DML: spelling problems
        DML: San Francisco service?
        DML: Side Marker lights
        Re: DML:  83 DMC for sale
        DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?
        Re: DML: DOA Membership Directory
        Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?
        Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?
        Re: DML: Side Marker lights
        DML: Re: spelling problems
        Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:23:38 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: DML: Maybe Calendar available soon

> Is there a 1998 Delorean Calendar available?  If not, how many would
> be interested in one?

There should be one soon.  Go to the DMC News homepage at:
www.dmcnews.com
and click on the "DMCNEWS STUFF" button for details of the upcoming
"DeLorean a Day Calendar."

- - Mike Substelny

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:40:54 -0400
From: The Lees 
Subject: Re: DML: Legend Industries

Marc Levy wrote:
> 
> Bob Lee Wirtes:
> 
> > However, when I was the Design Engineer at
> >Legend Industries working on the Twin Turbo system,
> 
> Wow!!  A Legend Engineer! Hope you dont mine if I (we) leech infomation
> from you on occasion.
> 
> Do you have any leftover goodies in your garage?

I don't mind the questions and I do have a few physical artifacts but
mostly specs, drawings, and memories.

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 16:18:04 -0500
From: Cisneros <12209@www1.utech.net>
Subject: DML: clutch fork needed

Joe here

Has anyone ever had problems with the retaining flat spring that is
bolted to the clutch fork. It broke below the rivet so I asked a machine
shop to re rivet the spring a little below the old location and they
Tack welded it instead (Wrong thing to do)

It fell off again, I was lucky to find it the first time it fell off. 

You know where I can get another clutch fork for an "81" 5 spd ?

Joe Cisneros
Lompoc Ca. 
805-733-2809

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 97 12:42 +0100
From: Klaus.Steiner@t-online.de (KlausSteiner)
Subject: DML: SSI-Copy and German Meeting

In my DMC-Stuff I found 2 Xerox-Copys of the "Stainless Steel 
Illusion"-Book
If anyone interested, e-mail me  Klaus.Steiner@t-online.de
Asking 40$ each.

Some German and Netherland DMC-Owners meet on the "Oldtimer-Grand-Prix" 
at the 
N|rburgring in Germany on August 9. and 10. It is a great Event with 
thousands of 
classic cars, and if other DMC-Owners are interested to come, e-mail me 
or call 
me at ++49 2642 981224

Klaus Steiner VIN#5980
Germany

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:37:38 -0700
From: e/evan/altendorf 
Subject: DML: Body structure

Can anyone point me to documents or diagrams which describe the
structure and construction of the car?  I'd like to learn more about
and see pictures of how the frame, the fiberglass tub, the body
panels, and major components (engine/transmission/doors/etc), are
designed and attached to each other.

I am particularly interested in the tub, which from what I have been
told is a single-peice part to which everything is attached ... the
implication being that it (1), being "plastic" (sic), provides little
safety to passengers in an accident, and (2) makes structural repairs
to the car next to impossible -- if you're in an accident which
damages the tub you need a new one (because you can't weld it back
together) and therefore essentially a new car.  Was the person who
told me this on-target?  Or how off-target was he?  Realistically, how
does the DeLorean compare to (1) the old heavy-frame cars and (2) the
new unibody construction cars?

While I'm at it, has anyone seen experiments in strengthening the car
with a frame (a la stock car racing)?


Or maybe I'm all off-target and should just shut up ... I love the DMC
for a lot of things, but I'd have to work through a lot of doubts
before I could drop that much money in a car which everyone tells me I
shouldn't buy for maintenance and safety reasons.  Maybe I should just
go buy a nice silver '85 Supra and leave everyone here alone....  ????

- -e.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 97 13:15:36 -0000
From: James Espey 
Subject: DML: DOA elections ballot

By now, those of you that are DOA members should have received your 
ballot for the upcoming board elections. 

Note that you have two options when completing and mailing your ballot. 
the first option is to vote for the whole slate of nominees (listed 
below), or you can vote for individual nominees. As I understand the 
bylaws, however, no minimum number of votes are required for an 
individual to be elected! The ballot states that votes must be received 
from ten percent of the active membership for the whole election to be 
valid, but really, any of the people listed below can receive just ONE 
vote and be "elected". So you see, it doesn't really matter which option 
you choose, or none at all, they will ALL be elected.

Nominees are:
Jack Balderston
Ed Bernstein
Millie Bernstein
Mimi Breer
Hank Breer
Barbara Gomez
Tom Gomez
Delores Hales
Jim Hales
Marcie Haug
Ray Haug
David Knudson
Mary Lou Knudson
Linda Porter
Don Siegler
Dick Shipman
Debbie Spurlin
Jon Spurlin
Joan Truscott
John Truscott
Susan Weinreb
Bob Weinreb

22 names, all existing board members, 18 of them married couples, all but 
one over 40 and all residing in Southern California. Coincidence? Of 
course not.

"Well", you ask, "why were there no other nominations?" Good question! 
DOA bylaws state that board members must attend a certain percentage of 
board meetings - all meetings are held in Los Angeles! An example of what 
I perceive to be an archaic policy, as I mentioned in an earlier posting.

More next week...

James Espey
Once again, spoken as an owner/enthusiast...

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:14:06 -0500
From: Daniel McGauley 
Subject: DML: First Purchase

I'm getting close to purchasing my first DeLorean and was hoping someone
could answer some questions.

First, I was thinking about purchasing a DeLorean that's about 1000 miles
away from home.  It only has 12,900 miles on it, but I'm scared to death
that it won't make it home.  I don't mind if it breaks down on my doorstep
as long as I can get it home.  Are the chances good that I'll get one 
major
breakdown on an 81 DeLorean on a 1000 mile road trip done in 2 days?  I
know it's a hard question to answer since the condition of the car is
unknown, but any advice would help.

Second, the car has the 2 inch DMC stripe on the side.  Does anyone know
the history of the stripe (how many were made with stripes, etc.).  I
really don't like the look of the car with it that much, but am trying to
convince myself that it doesn't matter and is actually an extra benefit to
the car.

Third, a mechanic in Arlington Heights, IL, has me worried that my frame 
is
going to break one day.  He said that the DeLorean epoxy sealant on the
frame traps water which eats through the frame.  He said he's known of
people driving a DeLorean who's frames just collapsed, and I doubt me or 
my
wife would be real happy if that happened.

Finally, are there any DeLorean owners or groups near Austin, TX (Houston
or Dallas is fine) that get together occasionally?

I've been trying to find the right DeLorean for about 5 years now (I test
drove Billy Runyan's a few weeks ago and let that one slip through my 
hands
. fine car Billy, sorry you had to sell it), and I can't wait to actually
own one.  Any encouragement would be appreciated as I've had nothing but
bad things said about the car of my dreams for the past two months (except
by DeLorean owners), and I know it's a great car.

Thanks!

- -Daniel McGauley
Motorola: mcgauley@cig.mot.com
Home:     hawkeye@creativeworlds.com

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:04:07 -0700
From: Tim Mccoy or current user 
Subject: DML: \\\\\\\ URGENT /////////  dmc for sale

My 81 DMC must be sold.  I have radically reduced it to $9999.  If you
are in the market for a top quality DMC that is practically new (EVEN
HAS WINDOW STICKER)  call me.  My number is (805) 482-4788.  Please call
A.S.A.P.  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, Thomas......

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 00:38:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: FalcoN374@aol.com
Subject: DML: out of storage

     Hi everyone i just took my 81 DMC out of storage and found it with a
wide variety of problems.  I took it to a mechanic that claims he had 
worked
on Deloreans frequently.  
The problems with my car are - it idles roughly, passenger window doesn't
work, defroster doesn't work, the air intake needs to replaced and the car
doesn't start well.  T

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:00:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nexus6Neon@aol.com
Subject: DML: Black DMC pictures, anyone?

Hey --

Does anyone have any pictures of a DeLorean that's been painted black?

The only .jpg I've seen so far is the one that shows a black DMC-12 from 
the
rear with a red Porsche 928 parked in front of it.  I, for one, would 
like to
see some other shots of that car, or another black DeLorean.  Anyone know
where we could find some?

Thanks,
Brian Henderlong
Nexus6Neon@aol.com
DOA #4977
DMC #0026
VIN #still saving $...

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:20:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBLAMROCK@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: out of storage

>Hi everyone I just took my 81 DMC out of storage and found it with a wide
>variety of problems.

Try not to store your DMC, it just needs some TLC like everything else in
life.

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buster Bunny 
Subject: DML: Original Dealers and Repair Shops

I've seen a lot of information out there, but I have yet to see a list of
the original Delorean Dealerships and Authorized Repair Shops.  If such a
list is available I apologize and would appreciate a pointer to it.  I
thought that the Repair Facilities still around might be a valuble
resource. As for dealers, that's mostly informational. Though some of
them may still have a few things of interest lying around.

I became curious about this subject when I learned that a Volvo dealer I
know almost became a Delorean dealer.  He sent in his check right before
DMC folded, he managed to get his money back though.

			-buster@fdt.net

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:40:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buster Bunny 
Subject: Frame Rust/Re: DML: First Purchase

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Daniel McGauley wrote:
[...]
> Third, a mechanic in Arlington Heights, IL, has me worried that my frame is
> going to break one day.  He said that the DeLorean epoxy sealant on the
> frame traps water which eats through the frame.  He said he's known of
[...]

This post got me to thinking...  I almost bought an '82 Delorean, (I
had the money in my hand) but decided to hold out because there was rust
on the rear passenger side of the frame.  There was no covering on the
very end of the frame, and the metal had rusted badly enough to flake off
when touched.  I figured there was probably a lot more rust under the
the covering.  Besides that the car was in very good condition aside from
the brakes which I didn't mind dealing with.

Am I being unreasonable holding out for a Delorean with no rust on the
frame?  Should I have just bought that one and removed the covering, had
it sand blasted, and then painted it with an aluminum paint?  I'd really
appreciate some opinions on that one.

			-buster@fdt.net

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 15:28:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: DOA elections ballot

I, too, have problems with the make-up of the DOA board.  If husband and
wife are both on the board, I assume they both can vote.  Do they have two
memberships or do they each get a half vote?

The board need not meet monthly.  I have been active in non-profit
organizations bigger and more active than the DOA where the board meets
quarterly.  (In this day of cheap faxes and email, there is no reason for
monthly meetings of a group that has no chapters, produces four issues of 
a
magazine, and plans only one event per year.)   Further, a "central"
location is chosen for the meetings and the location often varies so as to
put an equal amount of stress and expense on the board members.

The sheer size of the board is cumbersome and unwieldy (unless, of course,
there is never any dissent).  Most of the board positions should be
committee positions reporting to the board - not voting board positions.

Finally, a significant portion of the membership is outside Southern
California.  (I don't know how many since the board is quite secretive
about membership).  However, I certainly question the ability of the board
to truly represent the members with the entire board being Southern
Californians.

Perhaps this isn't what you wanted on the DML, James, but you did open 
the door.

Dick Ryan
DOA  #547
DMC  #0005
VIN  #16867

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:37:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin 
Subject: Re: DML: Door Radius

Hi,

From what I've read on the net(I'm not an owner - YET!), the doors are the
car's greatest asset when parking - you need a shade less that 18 inches
of space to open the door which is about the least room you'll need to
physically GET out!!...

Marts

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Tyler wrote:

>     I never needed to deal with a Delorean around a parking lot, and I
> was wondering how does the opening of doors conflict with other cars
> around you?
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:10:30 -0500
From: R KERMAN 
Subject: DML: RE: Awesome T-Shirts 4-sale

With all requests for delorean T-Shirts for sale I thought I would go 
public with my private stock of very Kool custom high-quality Delorean 
T-Shirts
My wife designed a black T-Shirt with a very awesome stainless Steel 
Delorean with  the doors up and the lights on, in full silk screed 
color.  It is so awesome we get asked where we got it when we wear it to 
Delorean outings and the DOA conventions.
The front has a pocket that has just the official DMC logo, and the back 
has the awesome delorean artwork.
We have  many left from the 24 we ordered and will sell them, shipped 
for $26/each, or two for $50.
We are a DOA member  (VIN# 5581) for many years and promise UPS delivery 
(as soon as the strike is over) next day after we receive your check or 
MC/VISA number.

Money back guarantee!

Bob & Terri Kerman
1220 West Court Street
Janesville, WI 53545

608-754-0034 (work 11am to 7pm)
608-755-1123 (home 8pm to midnight)

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 20:57:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABatt10347@aol.com
Subject: DML: Cooling Fan Replacements

Fellow DMCers,
A fellow DMCer friend of mine had one of his cooling fans go out. We took 
the
motor apart and it was trashed inside. I have found that the cooling fan
motor off of an Jaguar XJ6 fits. The shaft is about 1 inch shorter but the
mounting triangle ( around the motor)is the same. Also the fan only has 4
blades not 5 like the orginal. We plan on mounting it this week. Thought 
you
would like to add this to the list of replacement parts in case anyone 
else
has this problem. Will keep all posted as to how well this works.
                                       Bruce Battles
                                        Vin# 6569

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:12:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chittim@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: First Purchase

I know the feeling of driving a delorean over a thousand miles with out 
any
real knowledge of the condition of the car.  I drove mine from Virginia to
Louisiana, and lost my windshield wipers on the way (Thank God for Rain X)
 unfortunately I will have to sell mine in the near future.  It is a 83 
with
16,000 miles and in perfect condition now (I sunk $8000 into a 
restoration).
 Let me know if their is any interest.
David

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:40:58 -0500
From: "Travis H. Graham" 
Subject: DML: spelling problems

I've seen three different ways to spell the name of our car (and JZD).  
What is the "official" spelling?  Here are your options:
 
A) De Lorean (the way John spelled it on letters)
B) DeLorean  (very popular)
C) Delorean  (obviously wrong; the lazy way to type it)

I would choose "A",  but what do I know...any comments?

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:49:44 -0400
From: jeepman4@juno.com
Subject: DML: Delorean World?

Hey DMLers!  'Got a question.  How do I get info on the publication,
"DeLorean World"?

Thanks a bunch!


- -Jeffrey B.
jeepman4@juno.com

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:47:50 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: Frame Rust/Re: DML: First Purchase

Unless you purchase a DeLorean that has not been driven, the odds are that
you are going to find some rust on the frame.  However, some rust is not a
severe problem, per se.

The question is how much rust is acceptable.  DeLorean repair facilities
can inspect any potential purchase and give you a fair evaluation.  If the
rusting is minor, it can be removed with wire brushing, etc. and then the
areas can be treated with new paint or, in places that are harder to 
reach,
with some of the newer spray on wax treatments.  Properly applied, these
displace water and will prevent additional rust from forming for a year or
so.

There have been cases of frames needing replacement.  If the car has been
driven in areas that use salt on the streets and roads, I would be
extremely thorough in my examination of the frame.

Dick Ryan

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 97 00:11:11 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" 
Subject: DML: Back together !

Today I actually began putting my car back together.  Hopefully
by next weekend, I will be able to lower the body back down onto the
frame.  JC Whitney offers a little tool called  "The Nutter".  You use it
to place those little threaded alluminum rivets into the fiber body.
Just thought I would pass that along if anyone is interested.  I did 
some massive  modifications to my car, so that little tool came
in real handy.  

also, just for curiosity.  Does anyone own a 74-76 Bricklin SV-1 ?
My goal is to own the complete "3-piece set" of production
gullwing cars.  I have 2/3 of them,  but that Merc is very
expensive.  Atleast for my pocket :-)

- -Brandon

bsmoody@kih.net

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:21:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phillip124@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: First Purchase

I bought my car with only 11,000 miles on it and drove it about 2,200 
miles
to get it home.  It had been sitting outside for years and not driven 
much.
 The only problem that I had happend about 100 miles out.  The battery was
boiling dry.  It happend to be that the alternater was overcharging the
battery.  They had to rebuild the alternater and replace the batter.  It 
cost
about $200.  They said that the alternater malfunctioned probably since 
the
car had not been driven much. 

I don't drive the car but once a week to keep the battery charged and the
fluids circulated.  The car is deffinately having a better life in my 
hands
than in the previous owner's.  I don't park it outside and I drive it 
more.

Phillip
Vin  7134

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:02:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: ATMorgan1@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: spelling problems

In a message dated 97-08-03 23:46:59 EDT, you write:

<< I've seen three different ways to spell the name of our car (and JZD). 
 
 What is the "official" spelling?  Here are your options:
  
 A) De Lorean (the way John spelled it on letters)
 B) DeLorean  (very popular)
 C) Delorean  (obviously wrong; the lazy way to type it)
 
 I would choose "A",  but what do I know...any comments?
 
 >>
It depends on when the name De Lorean was written.  John changed his name
from Delorean to De Lorean to sound french...so the book "Grand Delusions"
states.  Since it is his name and his car I would say that the correct
spelling is De Lorean! (That is unless he decides to change it again :)
Alex Mo Rgan.

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:50:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: spelling problems

Part of the confusion of the spelling of DeLorean (my preference) comes, 
no
doubt from the use of the stylized letters in the logo.  I have the window
stickers to both my original 81 and my present 83 and there it is printed
with what appears to be, at best, a half space between the e and the
folowing L.

Just thought I would add to the confusion.

Dick Ryan

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 01:13:25 -0700
From: "Marvin S. Sterling" 
Subject: Re: DML: Door Radius

Tyler wrote:
> 
>     I never needed to deal with a Delorean around a parking lot, and I
> was wondering how does the opening of doors conflict with other cars
> around you?
- ------------------------------------------
The doors turn on an axis that requires less space to open than the
doors of a "regular" car. 
Regards,
Marv Sterling

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 97 22:40:53 -0700
From: 
Subject: Re: DML: DOA elections ballot

>I, too, have problems with the make-up of the DOA board.  If husband and
>wife are both on the board, I assume they both can vote.  Do they have two
>memberships or do they each get a half vote?

If husband and wife are on the board, both have a full vote.

(SNIP)

>
>Finally, a significant portion of the membership is outside Southern
>California.  (I don't know how many since the board is quite secretive
>about membership).  However, I certainly question the ability of the board
>to truly represent the members with the entire board being Southern
>Californians.
>
>Perhaps this isn't what you wanted on the DML, James, but you did open 
>the door.

No, this is precisely what the list is for. The DOA is the largest 
DeLorean club for now, and therefore it is important that it be discussed 
openly. I am not "anti-DOA" or am I against anyone being a member of the 
DOA. In my opinion, the organization is not being run in the *best 
interests* of the membership and I think if more people knew what was 
going on, more people would demand change.

Mike Substelny is happy paying $60 a year for 4 magazines and to have a 
social event organized for him. I imagine many others are also and that's 
great. But it could and can be so much more.

James

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Date: 04 Aug 1997 01:27:52 GMT
From: Raymond_Haug@lamg.com (Raymond Haug)
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean World?

On 8/4/97 at 3:49 AM, dmcnews@world.std.com wrote:

d> Hey DMLers!  'Got a question.  How do I get info on the publication,
d> "DeLorean World"?

Surf on over to:

http://www.delorean-owners.org

for information on the largest and oldest international DeLorean 
organization
in the world - 

the DeLorean Owners Association, 

DeLorean World, 

Expo '97 in Snowmass, 

local and regional activities that Association members participate in, 

and lots of neat DeLorean Products.

Check out the Internet Specials!

Ray Haug
Web Director
DeLorean Owners Association
webchair@delorean-owners.org



- - via BulkRate 2.5

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 04:01:31 -0500
From: pool 
Subject: Re: DML: \\\\\\\ URGENT /////////  dmc for sale

Could you send me some more info on the car.  like miles, exact condition,
transmission type, and anyother usefull info!

thanks, eric

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:37:08 +0600
From: Neil Lewis 
Subject: DML: Re: DML UK Owners'/Enthusiasts' Advice

Dear UK De Lorean Owners,

I am thinking of buying a De Lorean, probably from the USA.   Have any
UK De Lorean owners bought their cars from the USA and then shipped them
and imported them into the UK, or have you bought your cars in the UK.

I would appreciate some advice on shipping companies (good and bad),
insurance and whether you bought them privately or from a dealer etc.

Thank you for your valued assistance.

Please note for your information - as you will see from my email
address, I am currently residing in Nepal.

Regards,

Neil Lewis

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:11:28 +0600
From: Neil Lewis 
Subject: DML: Re: DML UK/European Vehicle Servicing

Dear UK/European De Lorean Owners,

As you will perhaps see from an earlier posting to this list, I am
interested in purchasing a De Lorean for use in the UK.   I would be
very grateful for feedback from UK (or indeed European - especially
German) De Lorean owners as to where they get their cards serviced and
perhaps more importantly, get them fixed when things go wrong.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Neil Lewis

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:30:36 +0600
From: Neil Lewis 
Subject: DML: Personal to Jameel

> Dear Jameel Ahead,

(Apologies to James Espey for appearing to misuse the DML - but this is
the only way I can seem to contact Jameel Ahed).

I tried to send this message to your 'uiuc' and 'orbitel'.adresses, but
they got bounced again.

> A couple or so months ago I posted a message to the DMC news list
> about
> DMC first purchase advice.  You kindly responded and sent me a couple
> of
> emails.   I did try to contact you to say thanks, but the direct reply
>
> email (rather than through the list) kept bouncing back for some
> reason.
>
> Anyway, it seems that you have a different email address so maybe this
>
> will get through (it didn't see above).   I'd just like to say a big
> thanks for your advice
> (although I haven't yet bought a De Lorean).
>
> Regards,
>
> Neil Lewis

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:39:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: TVRUS@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: First Purchase

OUCH.... outside.... Have you checked the condition of your frame????

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:44:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: TVRUS@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: DML: First Purchase

Always interested in a DeLorean in excellent condition.... what was done 
in
your restoration???

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:27:22 -0400
From: Mike Griese 
Subject: DML: Door Radius

Tyler

The space required to open the doors on a DeLorean
is smaller than most 4 door cars.  I park mine in my
garage about 14" from a row of cabinets and have no
problems opening and closing the door.

Michael A. Griese
Internet: magriese@vnet.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax:    (507)253-2432

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 14:10:41 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: DML: DOA catalog and Membership Directory

Last week while discussing DeLorean T-shirts I said the DOA website
was under rennovation.  Since then our MIS department updated all the
software on my computer, including my browser, and some time during
that period the DOA site apparently came back to normal.  I tried posting
to the DML as soon as it happened, but I don't think it made it to the 
list
(probably due to numerous system bugs on my end that day).

The DOA website now features a product catalog in PDF format that you
can download for free, complete with pictures of the T-shirts I was
discussing before.  Go to the home page at:

http://www.delorean-owners.org/index.html

and click on "Products" for details on the catalog and the Acrobat reader
(it's the same free software you need to read DMC News: the 'zine).

Amazingly, one of the items on page 4 of the catalog is a DOA
membership directory!  I had posted a message claiming this did not exist
on the DML Thursday at 10:00, and suddenly at 11:00 *poof* there it
was!

Am I the last person to find out about this directory?  Did it just come 
out?
According to the catalog, it contains "abridged listings (names, cities, 
and
States) of Association members who have granted permission . . ." and I
am not exactly sure what that means.   I don't remember being asked to
grant "permission" in the three previous years I've been in the DOA
(maybe I did it after four beers in Nashville?).  I think they mailed out
something about that a few weeks ago, but the directory couldn't
possibly be ready yet . . . could it?

I am considering ordering it myself, since I always like to have as much
information as I can get.  The catalog says I can "Meet Association
Members while traveling" which really appeals to me.  Has anyone read
this directory and found it useful for that purpose?

- - Mike Substelny

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:53:52 -0700
From: "Bradley J. Otoupalik" 
Subject: DML: Re: dmcnews-digest V2 #265 -- Speed

Hello ,

In reply to the question of top speed, I have also had the D up to about 
140
mph. I used the tach as well as some others who replied.  Furthermore, I
used the speedo reading from my friends M3 that read 139.  I have heard 
many
tiomes 109, and just laugh.  If people want to believe that, let them, it
doesn't hurt me or the value of the car!

Brad
Bradley J. Otoupalik
President
Veloce Imports, ltd.

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:05:45 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin 
Subject: Re: DML: Door Radius

There seems to be some argument here... I KNEW I read it was only 12"
(ish) but was told it was nearer 18"!!

No Bother,

Marts

On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Mike Griese wrote:

> Tyler
> 
> The space required to open the doors on a DeLorean
> is smaller than most 4 door cars.  I park mine in my
> garage about 14" from a row of cabinets and have no
> problems opening and closing the door.
> 
> Michael A. Griese
> Internet: magriese@vnet.ibm.com
> voice: (507)253-1853
> fax:    (507)253-2432
> 

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:39:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBLAMROCK@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: spelling problems

Travis Graham wrote;
>I've seen three different ways to spell the name of our car (and JZD).
>What is the "official" spelling?  Here are your options;

>A) De Lorean (the way John spelled it on letters)
>B) DeLorean (very popular)
>C) Delorean (obviously wrong, the lazy way to spell it)

And the correct answer is  A  because John always signs his mail as John 
Z.
De Lorean.
Not only but also have a look at the name badge on the bonnet if you have 
an
1982 car, there is clearly a gap, and the original company in Dunmurry 
spelt
it that way on their letter headings etc.

Robert Lamrock

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:45:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin 
Subject: Re: DML: spelling problems

On the "Original DeLorean Homepage" in "DeLorean Chat" there are a couple
of entries from one Leslie Delorean - JZD's niece. According to her, JZD's
given name is spelt the "Lazy" way, but he changed it for professional
purposes to what you say.

Marts

On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Travis H. Graham wrote:

> I've seen three different ways to spell the name of our car (and JZD).  
> What is the "official" spelling?  Here are your options:
>  
> A) De Lorean (the way John spelled it on letters)
> B) DeLorean  (very popular)
> C) Delorean  (obviously wrong; the lazy way to type it)
> 
> I would choose "A",  but what do I know...any comments?
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Graham Miller 
Subject: DML: San Francisco service?

Please drop me a line if you know of any mechanics in SF who work on
Deloreans.  Thanks for your help.

later,
graham

graham miller
gjm@cs.stanford.edu

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:06:47 -0700
From: Dan Berglund 
Subject: DML: Side Marker lights

Just wondering if the side marker lights are supposed to blink with the 
blinkers and hazard lights. MIne don't  - also if the ydon't has anyone 
modified their cars to do this? I think it would be another nice safety 
feature....

Thanks,

  Dan Berglund

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:42:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chittim@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML:  83 DMC for sale

My '83 DeLorean has 16000 original miles, it is a standard, black leather
interior, grey headliners/carpet.  I have had the leather seats redone, 
all
hoses replaced as well as the master and slave clutch cylinders, shocks,
tires, thermostats, plugs, new binnacle, headliners, all trim was painted 
1
month ago to original specs, new window motors.  The car runs like a 
dream.  

Asking price is 25K  

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 03:34:57 -0400
From: Ben Ruset 
Subject: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?

I'm fairly new to this list. I've been lurking the past few weeks and have
finally decided to ask the questions that I have been dying to ask. Let me
first say that I think the DMC is about one of the sharpest cars that I
have ever seen. It's been a dream of mine to one day own one. Hopefully I
will be in a position to buy one within the next year or so...

Anyway, on with the questions:

1) Parts Availibility: I know they're out there, but I don't want to have
to mail order for every piece that breaks. Is it possible to go to the
local NAPA for water pumps, belts & hoses, etc? I know that it's a
Renault/Volvo/Pugeot engine. Are parts for this specific engine available
still?

2) Drivability: Is it comfortable to drive? How does it handle? Does it
feel like a sports car or a sedan? 

3) Interior stuff: I most likely would like to swap the factory sound
system out with something more modern/powerful. Are wiring kits and junk
like that out there? 

4) Engine: lets say that I was to get a car that didn't run. Rather than
spending thousands of dollars getting the stock engine running, have there
been conversions to say, a Chevy 350 or like a Rotary Engine? I know that
the DMC was supposed to have had a rotary engine at some point in it's
development but it was scrapped. 

5) Are there any places that sell DMCs. and could arrange financing?

Well, hope somebody can answer my questions... =)

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 97 13:31:25 -0000
From: James Espey 
Subject: Re: DML: DOA Membership Directory

>Amazingly, one of the items on page 4 of the catalog is a DOA
>membership directory!  I had posted a message claiming this did not exist
>on the DML Thursday at 10:00, and suddenly at 11:00 *poof* there it
>was!
>
>Am I the last person to find out about this directory?  Did it just come 
>out?
>According to the catalog, it contains "abridged listings (names, cities, 
>and
>States) of Association members who have granted permission . . ." and I
>am not exactly sure what that means.   I don't remember being asked to
>grant "permission" in the three previous years I've been in the DOA
>(maybe I did it after four beers in Nashville?).  I think they mailed out
>something about that a few weeks ago, but the directory couldn't
>possibly be ready yet . . . could it?

This is quite possibly the same membership directory they were *giving* 
away at the Nashville expo toothose who asked - I remember some guy from 
Oklahoma (last name Parker?) asking about it at the expo. It is several 
years old and only contains names and city/states. 

The mailing you may be thinking was their attempt at updating the repair 
facility book, I do not believe the updated version has been released yet.

On the subject of directories, the DeLorean Owners Directory produced by 
the DeLorean Mailing List and DMC-News should be updated and posted later 
this week. I expect it'll have nearly 120 entries from DeLorean owners 
around the world, with names, cities, email addresses, phone numbers and 
more. Only those people that submit their own information for listing can 
receive a copy.  See the sample listing and entry form at:

http://www.dmcnews.com/directory.html

James

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 06:41:37 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" 
Subject: Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?

> 1) Parts Availibility: I know they're out there, but I don't want to have
> to mail order for every piece that breaks. Is it possible to go to the
> local NAPA for water pumps, belts & hoses, etc? I know that it's a
> Renault/Volvo/Pugeot engine. Are parts for this specific engine available
> still?

You can get just about anything like that from Napa, Advance, etc...
Due to the growing popularity of this list, and the sharing of info
between members, previously thought to be "DMC parts only"
stuff can be found through other sources .

> 2) Drivability: Is it comfortable to drive? How does it handle? Does it
> feel like a sports car or a sedan? 

Hmmm,  more like a go-cart, with a roof.


> 3) Interior stuff: I most likely would like to swap the factory sound
> system out with something more modern/powerful. Are wiring kits and junk
> like that out there? 

Forget about wiring kits,  The existing radio has power, antena, memory,
and the 4 speaker wire pairs.  Just cut it all out and start new.  I
installed
an Alpine GPS / mutimedia system.
 

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 06:10:18 -0400
From: Ben Ruset 
Subject: Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?

>You can get just about anything like that from Napa, Advance, etc...
>Due to the growing popularity of this list, and the sharing of info
>between members, previously thought to be "DMC parts only"
>stuff can be found through other sources .

Like the Jaguar fan? =)

>Hmmm,  more like a go-cart, with a roof.

What do you mean by that? It's a slug?

>Forget about wiring kits,  The existing radio has power, antena, memory,
>and the 4 speaker wire pairs.  Just cut it all out and start new.  I
>installed
>an Alpine GPS / mutimedia system.

how did you mount it in? doesn't the factory radio have shafts? did you
have to cut the dash?

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 07:51:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Side Marker lights

Dan Begrlund asked about the side marker (running) lights.  To my
knowledge, none were wet up to blink.  Now that you have raised the
question, it is an interesting possibility.  I, too, would be curious is
anyone has done this modification.

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 12:11:50 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: DML: Re: spelling problems

The first day I wanted to learn about the cars I went to my local library,
searched for "De Lorean," and "De lorean" but found no results.  It turns
out the only spelling my library's computer recognizes is "DeLorean" (no
space).

A few minutes ago I surfed over to the Library of Congress to see if they
agreed with my local library.  Wouldn't you know it, they only made
matters worse.  Apparently, our beloved legislature spells it FOUR
different ways.  The following:

de Lorean
DeLorean
De Lorean
Delorean

are each listed at some point as the "correct" spelling.

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:00:53 -0700
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?

Further to the discussion of how the DeLorean feels to drive, here are the
comments of someone who is on his second D and has logged over 100,000
miles behind the wheel of one.

IMHO, the DeLorean is an exceptional GT type automobile.  It has quite
satisfactory handling qualities.  If lowered by either of the two common
methods it will hold it's own on twisting roads with some sports cars
costing considerably more.  When it comes to touring, it is hard to beat.
Very few sports cars will let you drive 500 - 800 miles in a day and still
get out of the car without kinks and cramps.  I have done this many, many
times and never experienced those kinks and cramps.

Depending upon what you want out of a car, you might feel that it is a bit
underpowered, but the 5 speed with a turbo (or, twin turbos as on mine) is
a nice piece of machinery.  If you're a stoplight dragster, this isn't the
car for you, but with the turbos, mid-range power is superb.  Passing
becomes a joy.  Or, if you live in the mountains as I do, the even the  14
mil long, 7-8% uphill climbs just melt away.

I suspect the go cart comment was meant to describe the experience of
riding in something so low to the ground.  In any event, I believe that 
the
ride qualities of the DeLorean are one of it's strong points.

I guess you can see I love my D.

Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
DOA  #547
DMC  #0005
VIN  #16867

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