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Friday, August 8 1997 Volume 02 : Number 268
In this issue:
DML: Re: Financing your DMC-12
DML: Re: Delorean handling
DML: Re: financing/insuring a DeLorean
DML: Re: financing/insuring a DeLorean
Re: DML: Cooling inhibited with luggage rack? and cases..
DML: What the parts houses are doing regarding shipping
DML: Relay Update Kit
DML: Trailing Arm Bolts
DML: Floor Mats
DML: Tires - Pirelli P600
DML: Rear end clunk
DML: Original Wheel Paint Color
DML: DELOREAN
Re: DML: Re: Delorean handling
Re: DML: Re: Black stripes &Original Dealer listing
DML: Colorado 81 DMC
DML: DeLorean Owners Directory for those w/o webb access
Re: DML: Rear end clunk
DML: Hum, Fuel Pump??
DML: Luggage/toolkits
DML: DeLorean Motor Club
DML: BTTF DeLorean
DML: Air filter
Re: DML: Rear end clunk
DML: Delorean Event info wanted
Re: DML: Colorado 81 DMC
DML: Front grill attachment
Re: DML: Air filter
DML: Delorean Handling...again
DML: Re: DELOREAN
Re: DML: Hum, Fuel Pump??
DML: Re: Fuel pump hum
Re: DML: Rear end clunk
Re: DML: Front grill attachment
DML: Custom scoops on Turbo DeLorean
DML: VIN info
DML: VIN info
Re[2]: DML: Rear end clunk
Re: DML: Rear end clunk
Re: DML: Front grill attachment
Re: DML: Re: Fuel pump hum
DML: $$$ on my DMC-12
DML: Re: Fuel pump hum -Reply
DML: Delorean Handling...again -Reply
Re: DML: Front grill attachment
Re: DML: Rear end clunk
Re: DML: Door Radius
Re: DML: Front grill attachment
Re: DML: Delorean Handling...again -Reply
Re: DML: Front grill attachment
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:14:28 -0700
From: Matt Calman
Subject: DML: Re: Financing your DMC-12
> Has anyone on the DML financed a DeLorean through DeLorean One, DMC
> Houston, DeLorean Motor Center, PJ Grady, etc? Or does anyone know a
> bank that will finance DeLoreans?
When I purchased my Gullwing in '86, I was working for a bank in
Nashville. I was able to finance my $12,000 purchase 100% ... however,
it took a call from my boss (an executive vp) to the loan committee
chairman to get it through. As a policy, they did not finance
DeLorean's.
Take a look at the classified in Autoweek ... there are a few "exotics"
financing companies out there that would probably help you out. Most
commercial banks won't touch it. Maybe a community bank that you
already have a relationship with will talk to you.
Matt Calman
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:54:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged@aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: Delorean handling
>My auto. transmission starts off in second gear only to
>exagerate the lack of acceleration on hills. (what part or computer maybe
>would i need to repair the transmission?) The car is fun to drive but many
>times i found myself spun around facing the opposite direction of the
>turn i
>tried to complete. Is there something wrong with my car? It seems that i
>have no problems when i take sharp turn at around 35 mph with my other
>cars but with the delorean i spin like a top.
George:
The automatic DeLoreans are known as a slow poke and will not give you an
above-average sports car feel!
As far as the DeLorean breaking loose in corners and spinning around,
that is NOT normal. The car was designed to handle very well. I would
check your tires as they are the most liekly problem. Either they are
worn, a cheap design or are not the original sizes of 195/60/14 in the
front and 205/60/15 in the back. My DMC-12 holds great and never feels
like it is going to break free in corners. Mine is also an early '81
5-speed that has been lowered.
Chase Clark
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:54:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged@aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: financing/insuring a DeLorean
I financed my DeLorean upon buying it and actually obtained more from the
bank than I paid for it. Although my banker of 10 years is unaware of
that fact AND shall remain that way!!
With any bank or insurance company, it is important to be well-informed
yourself about the history and value of DeLoreans. I downloaded and
printed up copies of the first edition of the DMC FAQ from David
Takeuchi's web site. I also downloaded and printed the list of 'For Sale'
DeLorean ads from various web sites. Naturally, I weeded out the cheap
ones and only showed the higher-priced ones to the bank and AAA of
Missouri. These two pieces of info and my seemingly-thorough knowledge of
the car allowed me to both obtain the loan and get AAA to agree to insure
its first and only DMC-12 in the State of Missouri. I find my rates quite
reasonable and have no plans to switch insurance carriers ever.
Chase Clark
'81 DMC-12 #1529
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:54:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged@aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: financing/insuring a DeLorean
I financed my DeLorean upon buying it and actually obtained more from the
bank than I paid for it. Although my banker of 10 years is unaware of
that fact AND shall remain that way!!
With any bank or insurance company, it is important to be well-informed
yourself about the history and value of DeLoreans. I downloaded and
printed up copies of the first edition of the DMC FAQ from David
Takeuchi's web site. I also downloaded and printed the list of 'For Sale'
DeLorean ads from various web sites. Naturally, I weeded out the cheap
ones and only showed the higher-priced ones to the bank and AAA of
Missouri. These two pieces of info and my seemingly-thorough knowledge of
the car allowed me to both obtain the loan and get AAA to agree to insure
its first and only DMC-12 in the State of Missouri. I find my rates quite
reasonable and have no plans to switch insurance carriers ever.
Chase Clark
'81 DMC-12 #1529
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:19:03 -0700
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Cooling inhibited with luggage rack? and cases..
I do not believe that my luggage rack adversely affects the cooling of the
engine compartment. First, it sits above the louvers by 3 or 4 inches.
Secondly, then loaded you get that Kammback airflow effect which, I
believe, should help pull hot air out of the compartment.
I'm going to WalMart today - james and mike have sold me. The DMC
lettering is a nice touch. I do appreciate this information exchange.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 12:33:50 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: What the parts houses are doing regarding shipping
Earlier today I called PJ Grady, DMC (Houston), DeLorean Motor Center,
and DeLorean One and asked how they are shipping things since most of
them usually ship via UPS.
PJ Grady is shipping via US Mail, and says they are experiencing no
delays.
DMC (Houston) is shipping via Airborne Express and the US Mail. Warren at
DMC says that people shouldn't hesitate to order, that they are having no
problems getting orders out.
DeLorean Motor Company in Garden Grove shipped exclusively with UPS and
if you have an account with another shippper (FedEx, Airborne, DHL) they
will ship it through them for you.
DeLorean One has accounts through a number if shipping companies and is
using various ones depending on the cost, size and urgency of the order.
Just an FYI...
James
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:30:53 -0600
From: Michael Fischer
Subject: DML: Relay Update Kit
For reference, I recently installed the Relay Upgrade kit in my D.
I took about 1/2 hour to do it.
The only immediate improvement was with the doorlocks, they worked
fine before, but now they work faster, no lag between the two doors.
The other improvement is piece of mind, I had no problems with any
electrics, but was worried about it happening. It may still happen,
but at least one of the causes is elimanated.
- --
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
|_________________| Michael.Fischer@pipe.nova.ca |____________________|
|"This is almost as much fun as catching bowling balls with my teeth."|
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:35:31 -0600
From: Michael Fischer
Subject: DML: Trailing Arm Bolts
After installing a new set of tires, and having an alignment done, I
noticed the alignment spec report showed about a .2 out of wack on the
rear right toe-in.
Sure enough, on the drive-home I heard a distinct click from the rear
right after braking hard. After getting her in the garage, and quick
couple knocks on the tire confirmed a click in the rear.
I promptly pulled that wheel and trailing are shield, and sure enough
the bushing looks like it had dried some and thus the house-shoe washer
was a little loose, the bolt was still tight and appeared unbent etc.
So I snugged down the bolt and the click went away.
Did I do the right thing? Or should the bolt always be replaced?
- --
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
|_________________| Michael.Fischer@pipe.nova.ca |____________________|
|"This is almost as much fun as catching bowling balls with my teeth."|
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:21:50 -0600
From: Michael Fischer
Subject: DML: Floor Mats
I recently received a set of the embroidered floor mats from DMC
Houston. I got the grey ones to match my interior. The colour is a
perfect match, with a tasteful DMC logo in the lower corner. These
floor mats are huge! They cover the complete carpet, from deep under the
dash to back under the seats, and from sill to centre console.
They are almost a complete new carpet, with an excellent non-slip
backing, they look excellent. They are a bit pricey, but a lot
cheaper and easier then redoing your carpet if it wears.
- --
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
|_________________| Michael.Fischer@pipe.nova.ca |____________________|
|"This is almost as much fun as catching bowling balls with my teeth."|
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:27:55 -0600
From: Michael Fischer
Subject: DML: Tires - Pirelli P600
Just to through this in for people's reference, and back issue
searching.
I just replaced the original Goodyear NCT's (which were new in the
front, but almost slicks in the rear) with a set on Pirelli P600's.
With the softer sidewall of the Pirelli's, I have found that the car
has a slightly softer ride, (still sporty, but a bit easier on the
spine on rough roads) and is slightly less grippy then with the NCT's
but I think that once the tires are broken in the should be as sticky
and a few more psi should stiffen up the ride.
The noise level is about the same between the two. And the appearance
is about the same. (No raised letters ore the such.)
- --
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
|_________________| Michael.Fischer@pipe.nova.ca |____________________|
|"This is almost as much fun as catching bowling balls with my teeth."|
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 16:04:24 -0400
From: "Rob Corkum"
Subject: DML: Rear end clunk
The car has always had it -- the first time I turn in either direction,
there's a clunk from the rear end of the car. It's as if the car
"shifts"
to the right or left on an axle. I've recently visually inspected the
trailing arm bolts and all seems solid there. (Certainly no space!)
Any ideas?
Anything I should look at and report back?
Thanks!
Rob Corkum
rob.corkum@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca
DMCC
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 17:18:42 -0400
From: "Rob Corkum"
Subject: DML: Original Wheel Paint Color
It's time for me to consider re-finishing/re-painting the aluminum rims
on
the DeLorean. I'm certain that the previous owner had done this already.
What I'm wondering is what the original color would be. I understand
that
there might have been two styles/colors to the wheels. Is there any paint
code or color I should strive for? I have a June '81 car.
Thanks!
Rob Corkum
rob.corkum@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca
DMCC
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:55:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: DELOREAN
1981 DeLorean
20,151 miles
Daily Driver
Many extras DElo World, books etc
Vin 6058
one of 158 made in this 1981 series with 1982 updates according to,
(forgive me for mentioning this, DeLorean One)
int. clock
craig radio
hood lines, no flap
car was in storage for several years and has had tune up, updates etc
15,000.00 US
will help with shipping, and classic car financing.
Sincerely
Michael Pack
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:55:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Delorean handling
George, check out the June Issue of DeLorean World. There is no reason
for
your car to spin. Have you looked at your trailing arm bolts lately? Is
it
possible that you are taking your foot off of the gas in the turns?
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:00:28 -0400
From: Htos Drol
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Black stripes &Original Dealer listing
>If interested I could type up the whole list and maybe it could be put it
>on the
>web page for reference purposes. Let me know.
>
>- Scott Ciszek
>
Hey Scott....
That would be great if you could type a (former) dealer
listing. Howabout it?
Dave
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:07:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: Colorado 81 DMC
When I dropped off my car to be restored by Rob Grady of P.J. Grady of New
York I noticed an DeLo with the plate Colorado 81 DMC. Rob said that this
person traded it in for a fully restored Delorean w/ Twin Turbos.
Is this person on the list?
If so, very nice car!
James,
ATTABOY !!!!!
The Zine is awsome!
Sincerely Yours
Michael Pack
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 13:22:01 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: DeLorean Owners Directory for those w/o webb access
Some people have emailed me that they would like to participate in the
DeLorean Owners Directory but have no access to the web - just email. If
you fall into this category, send email to:
directory@dmcnews.com
with the words "send form" in the subject line and I will forward you an
email entry form.
Thanks!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:52:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Rear end clunk
Have those trailing arm bolts REMOVED AND INSPECTED A.S.A.P. . You
may be on the verge of BBBBBBBBiGGGGGGG trouble.
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:55:31 -0600
From: Michael Fischer
Subject: DML: Hum, Fuel Pump??
I've noticed that whenever my fuel guage drops below about 1/2
a tank, I start to get a humming from the centre console after I've
been driving for a while.
I have no problems with hot-starting or low-fuel symptoms. Since
the fuel pump in up there on the tank, would a fuller tank deaden
the sound, and this is normal, or is this an abnormal sound?
- --
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
|_________________| Michael.Fischer@pipe.nova.ca |____________________|
|"This is almost as much fun as catching bowling balls with my teeth."|
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:19:17 -0700
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: DML: Luggage/toolkits
I just returned from my local WalMart to purchase the luggage cases
referred to by Mike and James. I bought two. I think they will sork
great. Oh, they are currently on sale for $9.00 each.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:02:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: DeLorean Motor Club
Hello
I know of an easier way to stay DeLorean. Join the DMC by FORMER DOA BOARD
MEMBERS Mr. Robin McNeill & Mr. Kjell Myhre. We had a DeLorean picnic
on 07-19-97 and DMClub came up in conversation. I must say that the
people that at one time were members of DOA and quit for certain
reasons.....are now members of DMClub.
I spent some time with Robin McNeill in Belfast this summer. He
is really a first class guy.
I have always supported the DOA. Some of the members that I have had a
chance to speak with were very nice, and helpful. Someone else wasn't as
nice, "but there's one in every crowd".
Sincerely
Michael Pack
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 17:35:53 -0700
From: Johnny Plunk
Subject: DML: BTTF DeLorean
What year DeLorean('81,'82,'83) was used in BTTF?
Thanks,
Eric Plunk
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:38:11 -0600
From: Michael Fischer
Subject: DML: Air filter
Is the air filter on the DeLorean the same as the stock B28F engine?
I'ld like to get a K&N filter-charger, has anyone installed one?
Impressions?
- --
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
|_________________| Michael.Fischer@pipe.nova.ca |____________________|
|"This is almost as much fun as catching bowling balls with my teeth."|
+-----------------+------------------------------+--------------------+
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 21:02:45 -0400
From: DMC12
Subject: Re: DML: Rear end clunk
Rob Corkum wrote:
> The car has always had it -- the first time I turn in either direction,
> there's a clunk from the rear end of the car. It's as if the car "shifts"
> to the right or left on an axle. I've recently visually inspected the
> trailing arm bolts and all seems solid there. (Certainly no space!)
> =
That's odd
My car makes the same noise and I made sure the trailing arm bolts were =
tight and double-nutted them so they wouldn't come loose
And wouldn't ya know it, the noise is still there
I wonder.........????
Doug Venner
'83 #15880
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 21:27:14 -0400
From: DMC12
Subject: DML: Delorean Event info wanted
I am looking for info on the Delorean Eastern Regional Run in Virgina
The E-mail address that was listed for the event didn't seem to work
Please E-mail me if you have any info n this event
Thanx
Doug Venner
'83 #15880
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:51:10 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Colorado 81 DMC
Michael
That person is the Rad Dad himself. I owned the car since new. Purchased
in Sept. 82 and took it in for it's 30 day warranty check the morning
after
JZD was arrested - end of warranty. Drove the car stock for 5 years.
Then
had it lowered and added the twin turbos. When I moved to the mountains
of
Colorado I began to pine for a 5 speed. I shipped my car to Rob to have
it
restored in Feburary. We got to talking about twin turbos and automatics
vs. 5 speeds and after much consideration, I traded in "81 DMC Colorado"
for "83 DMC Colorado".
It is hard parting with a car you have owned for 15 years. However, after
driving only a few miles in the 83 that Rob restored, I knew that I made
the right choice. At 7000' there is 20% less oxygen in every gulp of
breath - be that gulp one of human origin or in an internal combustion
engine. Thus, here the turbos are almost a must and at this altitude the
automatic sucks.
Yes, 81 DMC was a great car and was pretty to look at. But I now have a
new love and I hope that soon 81 DMC will have a new appreciative owner.
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
DOA #547
DMC #0005
VIN 16867 - Formerly VIN # 6530
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -----
>When I dropped off my car to be restored by Rob Grady of P.J. Grady of New
>York I noticed an DeLo with the plate Colorado 81 DMC. Rob said that this
>person traded it in for a fully restored Delorean w/ Twin Turbos.
>Is this person on the list?
>
>If so, very nice car!
>
>James,
>
>ATTABOY !!!!!
>
>The Zine is awsome!
>
>Sincerely Yours
>Michael Pack
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 23:49:06 -0400
From: Sean Mullally
Subject: DML: Front grill attachment
After reading that the front grill on our cars is held on by just 2
screws. (two 15 year-old rusty screws) I checked my car today and found
it loose on one side. (Thanks to David for posting that warning!) But, I
can't see any way to get to the screws holding it on. Where are these
located? Do I need to remove the headlights or something?
- -Sean Mullally
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:15:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Air filter
Re the air filter - yes B28F. As to the filtercharger, I too am serioulsy
considering that route - with a turocharged engine, air intake and exhaust
outflow are the two most important items to tackle.
A fellow in Ohio - Dan Colley, I think - had air acoops made for his D.
One scoop supplied an intercooler and the other "forced" air into a large
filtercharger.
Space in the engine compartment might be a challenge and space here on the
DML is also. If you'd like to continue this filtercharger discussion off
line, email me directly --- raddad@cmn.net
Dick Ryan - the Rad Dad - DOA 547 - DMC 0005 - VIN 16867
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -----
>Is the air filter on the DeLorean the same as the stock B28F engine?
>
> I'ld like to get a K&N filter-charger, has anyone installed one?
>Impression
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:12:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: FalcoN374@aol.com
Subject: DML: Delorean Handling...again
I'd like to thanks everyone for their helpful input. I checked the tire
sizes and every checks out. The tread on the tires are rather new. The
front tires are michelan mpv but i noticed that on the rear of the
car
is one original NCT and on goodyear eagle GT. Could this be posing the
problem even though they are the same size?
The Eagle GT looks brand new. The NCT still has a lot of tread but is
pretty
cracked and ugly looking. Where exactly are the trailing arm bolts?
Somewhere near the rear suspension i guess.
Would letting off the gas cause the car to spin? Using the brakes
probably
would
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:39:51 -0400
From: "S Davidson"
Subject: DML: Re: DELOREAN
Where is this DMC located?
Thanks
Saul
- ----------
>> 1981 DeLorean
> 20,151 miles
> Daily Driver
> Many extras DElo World, books etc
>
> Vin 6058
> one of 158 made in this 1981 series with 1982 updates according to,
> (forgive me for mentioning this, DeLorean One)
> int. clock
> craig radio
> hood lines, no flap
> car was in storage for several years and has had tune up, updates etc
>
> 15,000.00 US
>
> will help with shipping, and classic car financing.
>
> Sincerely
> Michael Pack
>
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 22:26:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Hum, Fuel Pump??
Over the years many people have come up with many reason for that damn
sound out of the fuel tank. A number of factors may contribute to it.
However, I suspect that the most common one is as follows:
The D has a fully pressurized fuel system. Unused fuel is routed back to
the fuel tank. As this fuel moves around, it warms up. Obviously as the
day warms up and as the fuel gets lower, it too gets warmer. Thus, the
birth of the baffle to deflect warm air that passes through the radiator
from helping to heat the fuel tank. That did some good but did not always
solve the problem.
Generally, the problem can be solve by raising the fuel pump. If the nut
on the top of the pump is a 1/4 to 1/2 inch below the top of the inner
boot, the attached hose will be laying right on the bottom. As the fuel
get lower and warmer, the action of the pump causes the hose to vibrate
against the tank ----hmmmmmmmmm.
Raise the fuel pump to where the nut on the top is level with the top on
the interior boot and almost always the hmmmmmm(or, grrrrrrowl) will go
away.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad - DOA 547 - DMC 0005 - VIN 16867
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:35:01 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Re: Fuel pump hum
Michael Fischer said:
> I've noticed that whenever my fuel gauge drops below about 1/2
> a tank, I start to get a humming from the center console . . . would a
> fuller tank deaden the sound, and this is normal, or is this an
> abnormal sound?
I hear a similar sound, but only when my tank is almost completely empty.
I think a little humming sound is normal for an empty tank and there is
nothing to worry about. I get no sound when my tank is full.
The first thing that comes to my mind is perhaps your fuel gauge is
inaccurate. This seems to be pretty common in DeLoreans with the
original sender unit. Maybe you only think you have a half a tank when
you hear the sound?
But if your tank really is half full when you hear the sound there may be
a minor problem in your tank. I can only guess what it might be. Maybe
the fuel inlet is out of position, or has a small leak which is exposed
at a
certain point as the tank drains. Maybe the pump is mounted incorrectly.
Maybe there is a mechanical problem with the pump.
I just thought of another possibility. Maybe your car and my car are both
completely normal, but your ears are just better than mine. My fiancee
would concur with this diagnosis!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:05:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
Subject: Re: DML: Rear end clunk
At 09:02 PM 08/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Rob Corkum wrote:
>
>> The car has always had it -- the first time I turn in either direction,
>> there's a clunk from the rear end of the car. It's as if the car "shifts"
>> to the right or left on an axle. I've recently visually inspected the
>> trailing arm bolts and all seems solid there. (Certainly no space!)
>> =
>
>That's odd
>My car makes the same noise and I made sure the trailing arm bolts were =
>
>tight and double-nutted them so they wouldn't come loose
>And wouldn't ya know it, the noise is still there
>I wonder.........????
>Doug Venner
>'83 #15880
- ------------------------------------------------
I have had the clunk since the day I purchased my D new in '84. I was told
that it is characteristic on a hard left turn and have learned to live
with it.
regards,
Marv Sterling
Marv Sterling
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:59:58 +0000
From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: Re: DML: Front grill attachment
Sean wrote,
> After reading that the front grill on our cars is held on by just 2
> screws. (two 15 year-old rusty screws)
If you are talking about the grill block between the headlights it's
held in place by 8 brass sort of bulb shaped things that press into
metal receivers. Just pull on the block and it should come off.
Brass won't rust but the receivers might.
Chris
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:58:10 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Custom scoops on Turbo DeLorean
Rad Dad said:
> A fellow in Ohio - Dan Colley, I think - had air acoops made for his D . . .
Actually his name is Dave Colley. That custom red car has probably won
more People's Choice awards than any other DeLorean on Earth,
including first place P's C at the Nashville Concourse. You can see
pictures of the car and the scoops in many issues of DeLorean World,
including the one last Winter which contained the Nashville recap.
To my knowledge Dave is not on the DML, but if anyone wants to see his
car he will probably display it at a car show this Saturday in Brunswick,
Ohio. Hopefully several other DeLoreans will also be present.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 11:24:35 -0700
From: Matt Calman
Subject: DML: VIN info
James,
I checked my bill of sale last night for my old '81 DMC -- VIN 1269.
Never realized it was so early in the production run.
It was sold in '89 to Premier Mazda in Nashville ... out of business for
a while. Today's whereabouts ... UNKNOWN!
Matt Calman
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 11:24:35 -0700
From: Matt Calman
Subject: DML: VIN info
James,
I checked my bill of sale last night for my old '81 DMC -- VIN 1269.
Never realized it was so early in the production run.
It was sold in '89 to Premier Mazda in Nashville ... out of business for
a while. Today's whereabouts ... UNKNOWN!
Matt Calman
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Date: 8/7/97 9:15 AM
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01@world.std.com (Don_Gowler-CFPO01@email.mot.com)
Subject: Re[2]: DML: Rear end clunk
Has anyone with the 'clunking' sound considerd looking at the two
stabilizer
bars that run under the engine, but best seen from looking down into the
engine
compartment. If memory serves me (my cars are at home) they run from the
center
of the engine end nearest the transmission outwards and back to the frame
where
they mount with rather large bolts. This is a common source of
'clunking' noise
because these bolts get loose - and they are tough to get to to tighten -
especially the one on the passenger side.
The Silver Fox
___________________________________________________________________________
____
Subject: Re: DML: Rear end clunk
From: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL
Date: 8/7/97 9:53 AM
At 09:02 PM 08/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Rob Corkum wrote:
>
>> The car has always had it -- the first time I turn in either direction,
>> there's a clunk from the rear end of the car. It's as if the car "shifts"
>> to the right or left on an axle. I've recently visually inspected the
>> trailing arm bolts and all seems solid there. (Certainly no space!)
>> =
>
>That's odd
>My car makes the same noise and I made sure the trailing arm bolts were =
>
>tight and double-nutted them so they wouldn't come loose
>And wouldn't ya know it, the noise is still there
>I wonder.........????
>Doug Venner
>'83 #15880
- ------------------------------------------------
I have had the clunk since the day I purchased my D new in '84. I was told
that it is characteristic on a hard left turn and have learned to live
with it.
regards,
Marv Sterling
Marv Sterling
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:40:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: RICHAJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Rear end clunk
My car had the same problem. The previous owner was none other than Don
Steger.
Right before Don sold me his car, he started having the problem you've
described. He said he fixed it by replacing the rear shocks or
springs... I
forget which... I suggest you get in touch with Don at DMC in Garden
Grove
and ask him.
My name is Rich and I bought the car from him about 4 months ago.
Good luck.
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:26:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
Subject: Re: DML: Front grill attachment
At 11:49 PM 08/06/97 -0400, you wrote:
>After reading that the front grill on our cars is held on by just 2
>screws. (two 15 year-old rusty screws) I checked my car today and found
>it loose on one side. (Thanks to David for posting that warning!) But, I
>can't see any way to get to the screws holding it on. Where are these
>located? Do I need to remove the headlights or something?
>
>
>-Sean Mullally
- ------------------------------------------
Sean, look carefully and you will see two deep channels, one on each side.
The retaining screws are countersunk into them. They are not necessarily
rusty, they just loosen up. My grill went over the rook and under the cars
behind me ... a $350 lesson to keep checking it in the future.
Regards,
Marv Sterling
Marv Sterling
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 11:32:41 -0400
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Fuel pump hum
Mike Substelny wrote:
>
> Michael Fischer said:
>
> > I've noticed that whenever my fuel gauge drops below about 1/2
> > a tank, I start to get a humming from the center console . . . would a
> > fuller tank deaden the sound, and this is normal, or is this an
> > abnormal sound?
>
Sometimes this is caused by a little air getting in the fuel line
due to low fuel level in the tank. This will cause the pump to
take in air and then it will resinate in the fuel accumulator
which is located approx below the ash tray on the center console.
- -Brandon
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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:49:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Guy V. Boutet"
Subject: DML: $$$ on my DMC-12
Hello all,
Just a few words to let you know my experience I have had
with my car. At first, I was on vacation for 2 weeks on
July. I had planned sometimes ago to go at P.J. Grady
for a good check-up on my car; I took an appointment on
March and I planned to get some repairs and replacements
on cosmetics and, maybe, on mechanics.
Let me tell you that it is really fantastic to look at
about 30 DMC-12 at the same time (1 burgundy and 1 red,
the last one with ground effects and a Lambo Countach
spoiler on the louver). Of course I also saw Rob's car
(the BRG... a beauty).
I thought about spending +-$1,000 on my car that time.
Rob first checked the trailing arm bolts: urgent to
replace them. He told me this was a dangerous situation
as he was not sure I could go back home (Quebec= 600 miles)
without getting in trouble on the highway.
Then he performed a tune-up (plugs, filters, rotor, wires,
etc.). He also replaced some pipes (fuel pump, water pump)
and also changed my coolant bottle for a SS unit. The brake
master cylinder was in bad shape. Both his mechanic (Pat) and
himself adjusted the torsion bars and the hinges. The update
for the throttle cable has also been done along with a lot of
other parts that were worn-out or missing beeing replaced or
installed (too long to enumerate...). Every time something
important (in terms of $$$) was to be done, he waited my call
to perform the repairs.
My car spent a little more than 2 days at his shop; much parts
were rusted and difficult to work on. My A/C has been repaired
and Freon charged. I now have to replace the mode switch to get
air in the different positions.
Finally, I got my car more safe to drive and more dependable
since it seems that it has never been correctly maintained before.
The previous owner knew nothing about the car but the style and
looking. I did not know that I would have to spend such an
amount on my car this year: about $4,000.00
Sincerely I don't have any regret as the car is in real nice shape
but I will have to spend a little more money (in the next months)
for some other repairs or replacements and also on cosmetics (seals,
luggage compt. carpet, passenger window, etc.). Anyway, if I ever
need to sell my car, the price of it will be accordingly adjusted
to the repairs and money I put on it. However he will get a real
good car after all.
BTW I also have had the famous hot start problem a few months ago.
My mechanic (in Quebec) replaced the fuel accumulator and also a
fuel pump valve and since then I am not nervous any way to be
ashamed when starting my car with a lot of people around.
Guy V. Boutet
VIN 04155
Quebec
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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 11:01:03 -0500
From: Aaron Barrus
Subject: DML: Re: Fuel pump hum -Reply
Michael Fischer said:
> I've noticed that whenever my fuel gauge drops below about 1/2
> a tank, I start to get a humming from the center console . . . would a
> fuller tank deaden the sound, and this is normal, or is this an
> abnormal sound?
I've heard something about this. Somebody mentioned a hum
from the rubber fuel inlet tube inside their tank shortly before it
collapsed.
The rubber gets old / thin, and starts to vibrate (hum) before it pinches
closed, at which point of course your car dies. Just a thought . . .
Aaron
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 08:40:06 -0500
From: Aaron Barrus
Subject: DML: Delorean Handling...again -Reply
>> Would letting off the gas cause the car to spin?
Is your car lowered? Perhaps somebody tinkered with the front
swaybar? Lack of a swaybar would cause oversteer.
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 09:33:19 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: Front grill attachment
Sean Mullally wrote:
> After reading that the front grill on our cars is held on by just 2
> screws. (two 15 year-old rusty screws) I checked my car today and
> found
> it loose on one side. (Thanks to David for posting that warning!) But,
> I
> can't see any way to get to the screws holding it on. Where are these
> located? Do I need to remove the headlights or something?
My front trim piece ('82 model) is held on by friction clips that grip
small ball studs (not visible from the front) attached to the back
side. The trim piece is removed by simply prying it loose. The
screws you describe are used to hold the headlights on.
Bill
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 09:20:59 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: Rear end clunk
I also had a rear end clunk making turns. It did not clunk on the
second right turn or the second left turn, only the first hard turn in
either direction. One day I was riding in the passenger seat and
realized that the clunk may be coming from the front of the car. That
clunk was being caused by the jack, the lug wrench and tool kit sliding
from side to side and coming to an abrupt halt in the tool compartment
in the front of the luggage compartment. Some extra rags and some
rearranging has stopped my clunk.
Jim #6884
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 10:51:55 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: Door Radius
I believe that the door radius is much more important in your own garage
than in a parking lot. You can easily get out of the car with 18 inches
of space and close the door wothout a problem. If you park that close
to another car in a lot, you will undoubtedly pick up more than your
share of parking lot rash, especially with so many pick-up trucks and
Land Rover clones with doors that hit above the plastic moulding or on
the back fender.
Jim #6884
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Front grill attachment
Those screws hold down the headlight bezels. The grill is a 'push on'
affair and can be coaxed off with a screwdriver.
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:00:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean Handling...again -Reply
If you go into a curve too hot, scare yourself and lift off the gas, it
may come
around on you especially if you have mismatched tires. Is there a
raceing type
school in your area where you use your car during the school? Highly
recommend that yoou take the time to do it. The 'D' is very different
from
anything you may have driven before. Good Luck, Joe
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:49:23 -0700
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Front grill attachment
It seems obvious to me that the front grill attachment changed during the
short production of the D. My 81 (Nov 81) was attached with screws. My
83
(Aug 82) is attached with those snap on fasteners referred to earlier.
It appears to me that the latter is an improvement.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad - DOA 547 - DMC 0005 - VIN 16867
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