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Thursday, August 14 1997 Volume 02 : Number 270
In this issue:
DML: Re: Goodyear Tires
Re: DML: De Lorean
DML: Remote control DMC?
Re: DML: Is it possible??
DML: A sad tale
DML: DeLorean event
Re: DML: Air filter
Re: DML: Remote control DMC?
DML: Auto Hall of Fame
Re: DML: DOA takes legal action against James Espey
DML: Any Memphis DeLorean Owners?
DML: Simpsons episode with Delorean
DML: RE: Simpsons episode with Delorean
Re: DML: RE: movie with Delorean
DML: models?
DML: DOA Legal threat
Re: DML: DOA Legal threat
DML: Where to get "normal" DeLorean Models
DML: RE: models?
Re: DML: DOA Legal threat
DML: Legal Action?
DML: DeLorean events
DML: Dealer's Window Invoice
Re: DML: Simpsons episode with Delorean
DML: DOA threat & more
DML: DeLorean models (again)
DML: AC question
Re: DML: Legal Action boloney
Re: DML: Is it possible??
DML: East Coast DMC Rally
DML: delorean in delaware????
DML: Explanation of DeLorean model year changes
Re: DML: Pull straps (was DOA threat & more)
Re: DML: Legal Action boloney
DML: Engine & Transmission for sale
Re: DML: AC Hoses
DML: Looking for memorablia...
RE: DML: Legal Action boloney
Re: DML: Legal Action boloney
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:01:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: Goodyear Tires
> Sorry to disagree with you but Goodyear does make a set of tires
>that
>go on both front and rear. I am sure as I just purchased a set for my 81
>DMC-12.
>
> Front: GOODYEAR EAGLE GTII P195/60R14
> Rear: GOODYEAR EAGLE GTII P235/60R15
Lee:
Nice to hear that Goodyear makes a matched set of tires for the DeLorean
again! I had communicated with Goodyear last year and received an
official response that such a set was no longer available. I am assuming
that the Eagle GT11 are either a new tire model, or they have added more
sizes since last year.
Thanks for correcting my old information!
Chase
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:27:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Arron D. Oberman"
Subject: Re: DML: De Lorean
This person doesn' t quite understand the concept of supply and demand
and the love of owning something that is not mass produced over a 10 year
period. I ask aali(AT)freenet.edmondton.ab.ca how much he would pay for a
concours 1967 Mustang convertable, or a 1960's corvette? Who'd want
something everyone can get easily get thier hands on ? I personally
think the D outclasses any jap. import by a long shot.
my 2cents
Arron
On Sun, 10 Aug 1997 aali(AT)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> How come the De Lorean is a old car and it still costs (for a good
> one) around 20k? You could buy like a nice Prelude or Celica for that
> much? What are some reasons for getting a De Lorean instead of a Prelude
> or Celica?
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:31:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: NJP548(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Remote control DMC?
Is it possible to make the DeLorean run on remote control? Nd if it is, is
there a special way of doing this? I know it is nearly impossible to make
a
stick shift DeLorean run RC, but what about an automatic? Please e-mail
me if
you have any answers for me, Thanks
Nick
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:04:27 -0700
From: cliff wallace
Subject: Re: DML: Is it possible??
jrd(AT)chesapeake.net wrote:
>
> I am fifteen and will hopefully have enough money to purchase a DeLorean
> by the time I'm eighteen (that if everything goes right).Anyways my
> question is:
>
> Is it a good idea to purchase one when your young ?
> Will it be to much financially?
> Will insurance be to much? Parts and repair costs?
> What is the experience of someone 18 buying a DeLorean?
>
> Any Answers would be appreciated
> Sincerely,
> Jeremy Delaney
>
> Visit my website dedicated to the DeLorean
> http://www.angelfire.com/md/Delorean/index.html
HEY JEREMY. GOOD QUESTIONS. TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, IT DOESN'T
MATTER IF YOU'RE YOUNG OR OLD WHEN PURCHASING A DELOREAN AS LONG AS YOU
KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A DELOREAN.
DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU SPEND ON THE CAR FIXING IT UP, YOU SHOULD DO A
LITTLE AT A TIME, OTHERWISE YOU WON'T HAVE MONEY FOR ANYTHING ELSE. THE
COST OF SOME OF THE PARTS FOR THE DELOREAN OUTWEIGH THE LABOR COSTS.
THE FUEL PUMP KIT RUNS AROUND $400, FUEL SENDER UNIT (TANKZILLA) IS $330
(I CAN LIVE WITHOUT THIS PART--I KEEP TRACK OF MY TRIP ODOMETER AND
FILL-UP EVERY 200 MILES), REAR BRAKE PADS AND ROTORS $265-289. THE
RADIATOR AND HOSES AREN'T A BAD PRICE...$202-294.
DON'T LET THESE PRICES DISCOURAGE YOU. LIKE I SAID, DO A BIT AT A TIME.
OF COURSE I DON'T PRACTICE WHAT I encourage. I BOUGHT MY DELOREAN FOR
$9600 AND SPENT $7400 FIXING IT UP. BUT I STILL HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY
FOR THE EXPENSES. NOT ANY MORE!! THE ONLY THING I LACK IS INSTALLING
REAR BRAKES AND ROTORS AND LOCATING AN OIL LEAK.
I HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE ON MY CAR ONLY AND COSTS ME $125 PER SIX
MONTHS. NOT BAD AT ALL. OF COURSE THE COST OF LIVING IS CHEAPER IN
OKLAHOMA, BUT ACCORDING TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, THERE IS NOT A HIGH
RISK OF THESE CARS BEING IN AN ACCIDENT. WITH PEOPLE STORING THEIRS AND
RARELY DRIVING THEM, THERE ARE HARDLY ANY REPORTS OF ACCIDENTS
ASSOCIATED WITH DELOREANS.
HOPE THIS HELPS A LITTLE.
CLIFF WALLACE
WALLACE MUSIC SCORING
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:48:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABatt10347(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: A sad tale
Fellow DMCer's
It was a dark day in Nashville today. I was driving down the road and a
driver came across two lanes of traffic ( I was in the turning lane ) and
hit
my DMC (vin#6569) in the left pass door, the pass rear panel, and
flatened my
rear tire! Needless to say it was a very long afternoon. My question to
you
my friends is who has the best turn around on repairs of these parts.( I
do
intend on sending the car to their repair site as the damage is beyond any
local repair shop). Yes I know the big four and I dont have any bias
towards
any of them. However I will be going to the insurance company in the next
few
days ( have to wait two days to get a copy of the accident report) and
want
to get my DMC fixed as fast and best as I can. To avoid any name calling
or
such on the bandwith if you would please reply to me via email at
ABatt10347(AT)aol.com. Thank you in advance and sorry to use the bandwidth
this
way but I really need your imput! Also not to start a large volume of
mail,
but James has done a lot for us by having this list, starting the Zine,
and
putting togather the list of Vin.#. I have spoken with James on the phone
and
have found him to be quick to respond to any question and has gone out of
his
way to help me with the repair list (that can be found on his site), so
heres
my view, many may not agree, but I for one will stand up with James in
that
he (like all of us) should and DO have a right to express our views.I am
not
a member of any club or organization. I have no beef with the west coast
guys
(sorry but you can not sue me if I dont use your name! ) but I feel we are
all adults and should act that way. Last time I checked this still was the
USA and freedom of speech was still in effect. Just as James has expressed
his views I also welcome the views of anyone who does not agree with
James or
myself. ( yes I mean you west coast guys). Or anyone else!!!! Thank you
for
your responce on my question of turn around repairs, and for letting me
express my feelings!!! Stand tall James we are with you!!!!!!!!
Bruce Battles
Vin#6569
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:44:44 -0400
From: DMC12
Subject: DML: DeLorean event
Wondering if anyone on the list is planning on attending the Delorean
eastern regional run in Richmond, VA?
I might be going and just want to find out who I might bump into there
Doug Venner
'83 #15880
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:25:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: RPET123(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Air filter
LAST WEEK I WAS LISTING TO A RADIO SHOW CALLED ON THE ROAD AGAIN,
THEY TAKE CALL INS AND TELL PEOPLE HOW TO FIX THEIR AUTO PROBLEMS. ONE OF
THERE SPONSERS IS K&M AIR FILTERS, HE HAD A LONG PROMO RE HOW GREAT THEY
ARE.
HE STATED THAT IF K&M DID NOT HAVE A FILTER TO FIT THAT THEY WOULD
GLADLY"COUSTOM MAKE ONE", AND IT SOUNDED LIKE NO EXTRA CHARGE.ALSO I AM
USING
A FRAM FILTER THAT FITS JUST FINE I THINK THAT THE NUMBER IS CA 6396
PERHAPS
IT WILL CROSS REFERANCE WITH K& M .
RAY PETRAGALLO
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:26:49 -0400
From: Dan Baisley
Subject: Re: DML: Remote control DMC?
At 06:31 PM 8/11/97 -0400, NJP548(AT)aol.com wrote:
>Is it possible to make the DeLorean run on remote control? Nd if it is, is
>there a special way of doing this? I know it is nearly impossible to make
>a
>stick shift DeLorean run RC, but what about an automatic? Please e-mail
>me if
>you have any answers for me, Thanks
Of course it's possible, it just takes money. Making a DeLorean RC is no
different than making a Yugo RC. The question begs to be asked, WHY? Do
you
have any experience with 1/10 RC? It's rare that I race mine that I don't
break one $5 part or another. Mutiply that by at least 200 and you'll see
how much damage you'll do.
__
If life is going to exist in a Universe of this size, then the
one thing it cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion.
__
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:45:36 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon"
Subject: DML: Auto Hall of Fame
FYI:
This Saturday, Aug, 16 the Automotive Hall of Fame is scheduled to
open in Dearborn, Mich. The facility will focus less on cars & more on
the people who built the industry.
I'm interested to see how much and what is said about John DeLorean.
Shannon Yocom
syocom(AT)mitchellco.com
DMC modelmaker & future hopefull "lifesize" DMC owner
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:45:17 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"
Subject: Re: DML: DOA takes legal action against James Espey
(SNIP Legal Mumbo-Jumbo)
Is this some sort of joke? Were examples given?
True, there have been criticism's made of the DOA on this mailing list,
but
I have not seen any mention of the DOA on the DML web site other than the
list archives.
So, The DOA can hold you responsible for comments on the list??
I dont see how you can even be responsible for your own comments, You are
not in this for any profit or self gain, and have never claimed to be a
authority or expert on the subject of DOA politics!
Any lawyers on the list?!
Looks like the DOA is afraid of something, and they are willing to spend
DOA member money to calm their fears! I am really glad I never joined!
If the DOA does not like what is being discussed on the DML, they can just
unsubscribe!
Keep us informed James! Let us know what's going on with this.
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 9:28:00 -0500
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01
Subject: DML: Any Memphis DeLorean Owners?
Wondering if there are any DeLorean owners in Memphis? I will be
there this coming weekend and was curious to know if any Elvis
fans owned D's and were involved in the 'King's' activities.
Regards, The Silver Fox cfpo01(AT)email.mot.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:35:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean P Mullally"
Subject: DML: Simpsons episode with Delorean
UPN 50 in Detroit aired this episode, "A fish called Selma" last night
and I
got all but the first couple of minutes on tape. There are several shots
of
Troy Mclure's Delorean in the show, both exterior and interior. I may be
able
to get access to a video frame grabber and capture some images from the
tape
to put on the web if there is any interest. If anyone would like to see
these,
let me know.
- -Sean Mullally
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:09:35 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon"
Subject: DML: RE: Simpsons episode with Delorean
Sean,
I tried e-mailing you (AT) your address and it came back as
undeliverable. I hope i can reach you here.
If you can not get access to a video frame grabber, my computer at
home can do the job needed to create digital files of video. I'm located
in Toledo/BG Ohio south of the Motor City.
You can e-mail me at: syocom(AT)mitchellco.com
Mail me your phone # also in case i still can not mail you at your
address.
>----------
>From: Sean P Mullally
>Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 10:35 AM
>To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
>Subject: DML: Simpsons episode with Delorean
>
>UPN 50 in Detroit aired this episode, "A fish called Selma" last night
>and I
>got all but the first couple of minutes on tape. There are several shots
>of
>Troy Mclure's Delorean in the show, both exterior and interior. I may be
>able
>to get access to a video frame grabber and capture some images from the
>tape
>to put on the web if there is any interest. If anyone would like to see
>these,
>let me know.
>
>
>-Sean Mullally
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:01:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: RE: movie with Delorean
I know that this isn't Simpson related, but it occurs to me that there
was a
'D' used in a film called "Six Weeks" starring Mary Tyler Moore and Dudley
Moore, directed by Tony Bill. I worked on the movie and Tony and I went
for
a short ride in the picture car. It was my first experience in a 'D'. :)
Joe
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: DKazmark(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: models?
on your DML post it said you have made delorean models...and hope to own a
"lifesize one soon"....i was wondering......do you know of any model kits
of
deloreans besides the BTTF one? I ask this because ,since i'm only `16 i'd
like to build a model of one .
thanks,
DON
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean P Mullally"
Subject: DML: DOA Legal threat
As a new owner, I have been looking to become involved in an owners
group
of some kind. I've heard good and bad about the DOA on this list, just as
I've
heard good and bad about Delorean One, PJ Grady, and just about any other
organization that us owners would deal with. But I don't let that stop me
from
making my own judgment. I had decided to join DOA, I even had my
membership
application printed out and ready to go. But after reading their threat to
james, I cannot in good conscious become a member. I cannot respect any
organization that tries to bully it's critics into silence. It's a shame
that
the largest delorean owners organization would become so distracted by
politics
and power. This is supposed to be about people discussing a common
interest.
What is gained by DOA forcing James to delete the back issues of this
list?
- -Sean Mullally
BTW- James, I doubt any of their claims of libel would stand up, their
pretty
far fetched.
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:41:16 -0400
From: Michael C Babb
Subject: Re: DML: DOA Legal threat
Sean, I applaud your actions. after reading the letter, I had phone in
hand to call DOA and let them know what I thought (as well as to cancel
membership) I will draft a letter to the DOA and see if Myself and
other members can get them to stop this "foolish" behavior (foolish,
because that is what it is!)
<<<<>>>>
Please, if you are a DOA Member on the list, send them a letter and let
them know what you think about their actions.....I am not trying to push
you one way or another, simply to make sure that the board is acting in
OUR cummulative interests, not their own.
I will do what I can as a member, but if they go through with their
threats, I will cease any involvement with the Association.
P.S. The way that I discovered that the DOA even existed was because of
the mailing list.....not in spite of it. :)
Michael Babb, MCSE
mikebabb(AT)vnet.net
Sean P Mullally wrote:
> As a new owner, I have been looking to become involved in an
> owners
> group
> of some kind. I've heard good and bad about the DOA on this list, just
> as
> I've
> heard good and bad about Delorean One, PJ Grady, and just about any
> other
> organization that us owners would deal with. But I don't let that stop
> me
> from
> making my own judgment. I had decided to join DOA, I even had my
> membership
> application printed out and ready to go. But after reading their
> threat to
> james, I cannot in good conscious become a member. I cannot respect
> any
> organization that tries to bully it's critics into silence. It's a
> shame
> that
> the largest delorean owners organization would become so distracted by
>
> politics
> and power. This is supposed to be about people discussing a common
> interest.
> What is gained by DOA forcing James to delete the back issues of this
> list?
>
> -Sean Mullally
>
> BTW- James, I doubt any of their claims of libel would stand up, their
>
> pretty
> far fetched.
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:47:04 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Where to get "normal" DeLorean Models
DON said:
>...i was wondering......do you know of any model kits
> of deloreans besides the BTTF one?
Yes, there is a place to look. Check the DML/ DMC News 'zine website:
www.dmcnews.com
for details. The stock DeLorean model is in the "Stuff That Didn't Fit
Anywhere Else" section.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:53:26 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon"
Subject: DML: RE: models?
I myself don't know of any non-BTTF plastic models. Mike Substelny
has informed me that their is someone in the process of making adaptable
parts for the BTTF models to convert them to normal Ds. Check the old
DML digests i believe there was a post of someone to contact and/or
place orders for these new model parts. Be forwarned though, they are
not cheap, well at least according to my budgit.
Can anyone else help me out, i can't remember the internet address for
the DML.
You can still get the BTTF models at the BTTF website. They run from
$39-$50 or so for a kit or a triliogy kit. Other than that i do not
know of where to get D models.
If you get a BTTF model kit lets exchange notes on making replacement
parts, etc. I can tell you right now to be extremely gentle wile
cutting the doors out. I made a tiny mistake, but it's nothing some
glue won't fix and a bit of filler.
GL
Shannon
>----------
>From: DKazmark(AT)aol.com
>Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 1:04 PM
>To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
>Subject: DML: models?
>
>on your DML post it said you have made delorean models...and hope to own a
>"lifesize one soon"....i was wondering......do you know of any model kits
>of
>deloreans besides the BTTF one? I ask this because ,since i'm only `16 i'd
>like to build a model of one .
>
>thanks,
>DON
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:15:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: EdwSinger(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DOA Legal threat
Yes, Jim:
There are lawyers on the list (and and owner #3621 to
boot).
Here's some free info: As to libel and/or slander, truth is an absolute
defense. Unfortunately, most jurisdictions to not award attorneys' fees
to
the victor in a civil suit, so your vindication may have a price. Some
states do, however allow attorneys' fees if you can show the action
against
you was brought frivolously. Some states give you a right to sue those
who
bring a frivolous suit fordamages. If you can show that a lawsuit is
being
brought without a reasonable basis, for the purpose of intimidating you
from
maintaining a legitimate business enterprise, you may have a meritorious
counterclaim. Best of luck.
Edward M. Singer
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:52:58 +0000
From: dmcnews-approval(AT)world.std.com
Subject: DML: Legal Action?
After reading both the letter from the DOA's lawyer (?) and the
response by Chris Rabalais I think we are very lucky to have a member
like Mr. Rabalais. I applaud his response and the position he has
taken.
I also want to thank James for this forum and his tenacity. It is a
pleasure to be a member of this group.
Chris
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:35:30 -0700
From: bpayne(AT)macnet.com (Brandon Payne)
Subject: DML: DeLorean events
Are the DeLorean events on the 30th and the 31st in Portland Oregon open
to
everyone who wants to drop by? I know it's at PIR but any additional
information on the events would be appreciated. Thanks!
bpayne(AT)macnet.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:12:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joyce Lasuta(AT)world.std.com, jlasuta(AT)sd46.bc.ca
Subject: DML: Dealer's Window Invoice
I'm still not sure how to post something on your site, but could I
somehow submit a request to your readers for a copy of a Delorean
Dealer's Window Invoice ??? I show my 1981 model at lots of local
events and with it I display other "memorabilia". Can such an item be
sent via E-mail ???
Thanking you in advance.
www.canadianculture.com/lasuta
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:38:37 -0700
From: bpayne(AT)macnet.com (Brandon Payne)
Subject: Re: DML: Simpsons episode with Delorean
I'm a big simpson's fan and have been watching for a long time to see this
episode again, but I have been unable to find it. I've seen it once a
long
time ago but I never recognized it as a DeLorean. If you could get those
pictures, that would be great.
Brandon Payne
bpayne(AT)macnet.com
- ---------------Sock Monkeys have invaded your computer!---------------
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Date: 8/12/97 13:45:12
From: "rudy stoltzmann"
Subject: DML: DOA threat & more
Hi fellow DMLers:
I have a big problem with my DMC-12. I am tired of those gullwing doors
and i'm trying to figure out a way to change the doors from gullwing to
conventional doors. Can anyone on the list help me?
OK, OK, just joking. Dont kill me!!! I dont own a DeLorean yet.
I've been on the list for a long time but i dont post any messages and i
just read what other people have to say. So i decided to post this
because i got a couple of things to say.
First of all, I'd like to thank James for putting this and the zine
together. They're really great. Way to go James!!!
Also, I bought a car magazine called Classic & Sports Car (the March
97) issue and there's a short article about the DeLorean. Somebody else
may have noticed this and posted it ( i tend to skip some messages so I
dont know), that a gentleman named Robert Lamrock is mentioned in the
article. Is this the same Rob Lamrock who helped us out with the right
way to spell "De Lorean"?? I mean, i think it's pretty amazing to have
the, as the article says, the "world expert on DeLoreans" on the list.
Like i said before, i dont yet own a D, but I already know of 2 Delorean
related organizations i'm not getting involved with. One of them is,
yep you guessed it, the DOA (that letter was just uncool). They
probably lost more potential members with that letter than with the
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM they got from the DML. THe other place (im not
going to say any names to prevent any problems) had a slogan that went
something like " if you want cheap prices, go have someone else fix your
D..."
Someone brought up the 81 vs. 83 issue. This is something i wonder
about myself. If someone hasn't already done so, i think it would be a
pretty good idea to put together a list of changes the Deloreans went
through from the 81 to 83 models. This includes the outer changes like
the gas flap on the hood and the angled tailpipes, and the front grill
attachment, to the changes made to the engine or suspension and the
recalls. For example, i've noticed that some De Loreans have a strap
hanging from the door to close it but others seem to have a handle. Is
this a model change or did the owner get rid of the pull strap? And is
it fair to say that early 81s and the late 83s are the worst Deloreans
made?
I was lucky enough to find a copy of the book SS Illusion in my local
library. It's a very good book with several pictures of prototypes,
preproduction, and production DeLoreans. There's a very, very sad
picture on page 131. It's a picture of a Quality Assurance Center (or
something like that) and there's hundreds of Ds sitting there and it
says right next to the picture " more than 700 Deloreans awaited dealer
orders that never came. Man, i'd give anything to have one of those
cars in the picture.
Thanks for you time
SINCERELY,
Rudy Stoltzmann
rudy11(AT)hotmail.com
______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:20:15 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: DeLorean models (again)
Shannon Yokum said:
> Can anyone else help me out, i can't remember the internet address
> for the DML.
Shannon, try:
www.dmcnews.com
Look in the section called "Stuff that didn't fit anywhere else."
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:31:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buster Bunny
Subject: DML: AC question
I was wondering about hoses for the Delorean's AC. Are they still
available should one need replacing? Are they interchangeable with any
other vehicle's hoses? Are they outragously priced?
-buster(AT)fdt.net
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:39:45 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: Re: DML: Legal Action boloney
Edward M. Singer said:
> Some states give you a right to sue those who bring a frivolous
> suit for damages. If you can show that a lawsuit is being
> brought without a reasonable basis, for the purpose of intimidating
> you from maintaining a legitimate business enterprise, you may
> have a meritorious counterclaim.
Oh sure, this is great news. So the money I have given to the
Association for dues and products either goes fund a lawsuit against my
friend James, or it goes to pay damages in a counter suit? How nice.
No offense Mr. Singer, I know you mean well, but this entire affair is
obviously a great waste to everyone. The only reasonable solution is to
find a civilized way to de-escalate the situation immediately. I will
gladly
support such an effort, but I will have no patience if one side or the
other
continues this useless arms-race spiral.
I love the DML Back Issues. They are a great resource and I would hate
to see anything removed from them. Until now, anyway. At this point I
hope someday this entire useless "Legal Action" thread gets deleted,
including this very post.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:48:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: ATMorgan1(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Is it possible??
In a message dated 97-08-12 02:18:06 EDT, you write:
><< I am fifteen and will hopefully have enough money to purchase a DeLorean
> > by the time I'm eighteen (that if everything goes right).Anyways my
> > question is:
> >
> > Is it a good idea to purchase one when your young ?
> > Will it be to much financially?
> > Will insurance be to much? Parts and repair costs?
> > What is the experience of someone 18 buying a DeLorean?
> >
> > Any Answers would be appreciated
> > Sincerely,
> > Jeremy Delaney
> >
> > Visit my website dedicated to the DeLorean
> > http://www.angelfire.com/md/Delorean/index.html
> HEY JEREMY. GOOD QUESTIONS. TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, IT DOESN'T
> MATTER IF YOU'RE YOUNG OR OLD WHEN PURCHASING A DELOREAN AS LONG AS YOU
> KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A DELOREAN.
(SNIP)
> REAR BRAKES AND ROTORS AND LOCATING AN OIL LEAK.
> I HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE ON MY CAR ONLY AND COSTS ME $125 PER SIX
> MONTHS. NOT BAD AT ALL. OF COURSE THE COST OF LIVING IS CHEAPER IN
> OKLAHOMA, BUT ACCORDING TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, THERE IS NOT A HIGH
> RISK OF THESE CARS BEING IN AN ACCIDENT. WITH PEOPLE STORING THEIRS AND
> RARELY DRIVING THEM, THERE ARE HARDLY ANY REPORTS OF ACCIDENTS
> ASSOCIATED WITH DELOREANS.
> HOPE THIS HELPS A LITTLE.
> CLIFF WALLACE
> WALLACE MUSIC SCORING
>
> >>
I disagree, I bought a delorean when I was 19 years old and I paid 10,500.
True if you find a good one there are LESS problems but I think you
should
know about some of the other expensive parts on a delorean. For example
both
my lower control arms went out, ($800 a piece), Oil pans, ignitions, some
manual gear parts and body parts are extremely expensive for most people,
let
alone a 18 year old. And anybody driving around in a car without
collision
is taking a huge risk...you could lose 10 -15 thousand dollars in a
matter of
seconds! This is why I could not recomend buying a Delorean if I was 18
and
had no other car.
Alex Morgan
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jack Singer(AT)world.std.com, jsinger(AT)aaacars.com
Subject: DML: East Coast DMC Rally
On Saturday Sept 13 and Sunday Sept 14 we will be having a DMC rally at
Berkeley Plantation in Central Virginia. Owners have already signed up
from 5 states and more are coming daily. Rob Grady will be doing a tech
session, there is a car rally and a car show in conjuntion with the
British Car days. For more information email me at jsinger(AT)dmc12.com or
call (800)224-3806. Jack Singer
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:19:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: LumpManII(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: delorean in delaware????
On my way home on wednesday, august 13th, I noticed a delorean driving
down
main street in Newark Delaware. does anyone know who that was??
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:57:40 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Explanation of DeLorean model year changes
Rudy Stoltzman asked:
> Someone brought up the 81 vs. 83 issue. This is something i
> wonder about myself. If someone hasn't already done so, i think
> it would be a pretty good idea to put together a list of changes the
> Deloreans went through from the 81 to 83 models.
The DeLorean did not have model year changes as we usually know
them. The model year change was a gimmick perfected long ago by a
famous GM executive (it might have been Billy Durant, but I think it was
Alfred P. Sloan) to get people to trade in used cars for new cars. John
Z. DeLorean thought that model year changes were unethical and
frivolous, so he avoided them.
When the DeLorean Motorcars Company wanted to make a design
change (say, eliminating the gas flap on the trunk lid) they just did it
whenever it was convenient. Most of the changes were made at an
arbitrary point, not between model years. Thus you see things like
factory original '81 DeLoreans both with and without the gas flap.
If you search the DML Back Issues you will find a lot of information about
this, including a few lists of changes. But if you want to know
something detailed, like the exact VIN of the last car with a digital
clock
on the center consol, I think no one here knows for sure.
- - Mike Substelny
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:38:07 -0400
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Pull straps (was DOA threat & more)
For example, i've noticed that some De Loreans have a strap
> hanging from the door to close it but others seem to have a handle. Is
> this a model change or did the owner get rid of the pull strap? And is
> it fair to say that early 81s and the late 83s are the worst Deloreans
> made?
I think that all Deloreans had a pull strap. But, in 81, the strap
was not attached to the door, it was buckled around the handle. Later,
they actually attached the strap to the armrest on the inside and had
it threaded through a platic slot.
I THINK ?
- -Brandon
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:48:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "DJ Jethro"
Subject: Re: DML: Legal Action boloney
This messange is not meant as a personal attack on ANY ONE person. Just
try and remember WHY you read this list.
Okay, I think I'm going to pop my two-pence worth in here. I can see
that the image portrayed of (some) Americans is justified. The whole
"sue someone before they sue you first" subject has actually been made
into a docummentary in the UK. Isn't it better to go to court with
proper grounds other than wounded pride or the desire for money? Mike
says it all perfectly. Oh, and like it or not, the DOA is bigger than
the DML, and is therefore likely to have at least as many lawyers in its
ranks.
Stop wasting time and energy on something that certainly does nothing to
enhance the DeLorean or its supporters. James seems to be doing the most
sensible thing. Everyone posting messages here agrees in the
pointlessness of that letter, so why even give it the time of day?
Okay, "they started it". They love their cars as much as you do, and
chances are it's not the majority opinion. Grow up.
DJ
>On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Mike Substelny wrote:
>
>> Thanks for using NetForward!
>> http://www.netforward.com
>> v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
>>
>> Edward M. Singer said:
>>
>> > Some states give you a right to sue those who bring a frivolous
>> > suit for damages. If you can show that a lawsuit is being
>> > brought without a reasonable basis, for the purpose of intimidating
>> > you from maintaining a legitimate business enterprise, you may
>> > have a meritorious counterclaim.
>>
>> Oh sure, this is great news. So the money I have given to the
>> Association for dues and products either goes fund a lawsuit against my
>> friend James, or it goes to pay damages in a counter suit? How nice.
>>
>> No offense Mr. Singer, I know you mean well, but this entire affair is
>> obviously a great waste to everyone. The only reasonable solution is to
>> find a civilized way to de-escalate the situation immediately. I will
>> gladly
>> support such an effort, but I will have no patience if one side or the
>> other continues this useless arms-race spiral.
>>
>> I love the DML Back Issues. They are a great resource and I would hate
>> to see anything removed from them. Until now, anyway. At this point I
>> hope someday this entire useless "Legal Action" thread gets deleted,
>> including this very post.
>>
>> - Mike Substelny
>>
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:52:22 -0500
From: Duke
Subject: DML: Engine & Transmission for sale
This Thursday I will be taking my car to have the engine AND =
transmission removed so I can start on installing my 350 Tuned Port =
engine. I've finally decided to go with another transmission rather =
than the stock trans due to lack of durability that I've heard from ALL =
DeLorean shops.
Since I've decided to do this, I am now selling the engine AND =
transmission. The engine has 98k on it and the trans was just rebuilt 8 =
months ago. It is a automatic. Please email offers or questions to:
duke(AT)entremob.com
Thanks!
Duke Bladorn
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:38:45 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: AC Hoses
Buster Bunny Wrote:
"I was wondering about hoses for the Delorean's AC. Are they still
available should one need replacing? Are they interchangeable with any
other vehicle's hoses? Are they outragously priced?"
The Delorean uses a General Motors air conditionning system, exactly
which car it crosses with, I don't know. It may include parts from more
than one model. The receiver-dryer and the evap are standard GM parts.
The compressor is a standard Japaneese with a GM backplate. The hoses
should not be a problem, especially if you live near or in a large
town. A hose supply house, or a larger auto parts store can take your
old hose and swage new hose on your old fittings, or make up any custom
hose that you may need. Air conditioning hose isn't cheap but having a
hose made up is just a fraction of the cost of a new hose from any
dealer.
Jim #6884
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:01:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: ATMorgan1(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Looking for memorablia...
I am looking to buy any of the historic literature pieces found listed in
the
zine. If anybody has any of these and is interested in selling them
please
email me. I really look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks,
Alex Morgan
ATMorgan1(AT)AOL
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:30:39 -0700
From: "Chris P. Rabalais"
Subject: RE: DML: Legal Action boloney
I don't think that I understand the point of this post. Who is supposed
to "grow up"?
Maybe free speech is not important in the U.K., but it is here in
America. This kind
of CRAP cannot be tolerated. James has worked very hard on the development
of the DMCNEWS. He has every right to advance its membership and "compete"
in the marketplace. I don't care for the "fear mongering" that is going
on here. Those
persons that understand the "free market" system know that this is "SMOKE
AND
MIRRORS". You can NOT prevent open discussion like that found on the DML.
The finances of a "non-profit association" and an individual are of NO
CONSEQUENCE.
Simply, money is NOT the issue. This is a "strong arm" attempt by the DOA
and it will
be interesting to see what "damage control" does to stop the loss of
memberships.
Chris P. Rabalais
- -----Original Message-----
From: DJ Jethro [SMTP:dj_jethro(AT)hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 1997 11:49 PM
To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: Legal Action boloney
This messange is not meant as a personal attack on ANY ONE person. Just
try and remember WHY you read this list.
Okay, I think I'm going to pop my two-pence worth in here. I can see
that the image portrayed of (some) Americans is justified. The whole
"sue someone before they sue you first" subject has actually been made
into a docummentary in the UK. Isn't it better to go to court with
proper grounds other than wounded pride or the desire for money? Mike
says it all perfectly. Oh, and like it or not, the DOA is bigger than
the DML, and is therefore likely to have at least as many lawyers in its
ranks.
Stop wasting time and energy on something that certainly does nothing to
enhance the DeLorean or its supporters. James seems to be doing the most
sensible thing. Everyone posting messages here agrees in the
pointlessness of that letter, so why even give it the time of day?
Okay, "they started it". They love their cars as much as you do, and
chances are it's not the majority opinion. Grow up.
DJ
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1986 02:42:54 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: Re: DML: Legal Action boloney
At 02:48 AM 8/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>This messange is not meant as a personal attack on ANY ONE person. Just
>try and remember WHY you read this list.
>
>Okay, I think I'm going to pop my two-pence worth in here. I can see
>that the image portrayed of (some) Americans is justified. The whole
>"sue someone before they sue you first" subject has actually been made
>into a docummentary in the UK. Isn't it better to go to court with
>proper grounds other than wounded pride or the desire for money? Mike
>says it all perfectly. Oh, and like it or not, the DOA is bigger than
>the DML, and is therefore likely to have at least as many lawyers in its
>ranks.
>
>Stop wasting time and energy on something that certainly does nothing to
>enhance the DeLorean or its supporters. James seems to be doing the most
>sensible thing. Everyone posting messages here agrees in the
>pointlessness of that letter, so why even give it the time of day?
>
>Okay, "they started it". They love their cars as much as you do, and
>chances are it's not the majority opinion. Grow up.
>
>DJ
>
Guess I will add my two cents worth as well:
In my opinion there is something far deeper than DMC ownership or
news letters, or even the association of people with mutual interest
involved here.
This is about power, in the first case we see a group that is in
control of an oiganization, and rules that apparently favor control by
the same group, and we see an observation of this apparent situation with
suggestions that changes be made to correct the situation. The response
was
the only one possible, a threat of legal action.
I noted that the legal action was threatened with out consulting
the
membership, and wonder what the by-laws have to say about the membership
being involved in a possible legal action which might end with each member
being required to pay part of the cost and any judgement against the
membership as a whole.
If the governing board is representing the interest of the whole,
and legal action does ensue, then their power to control the membership is
re-affirmed or on the other hand if the letter writer wins or receives an
apology, the power then flows to him and away from the board of directors.
It is also just as much a disaster if the membership takes action against
the board and demands the legal threats be rescinded. power then flows
away
from the board and back into the hands of the membership.
The obvious probable conclusion will depend on what the board
does,
they now have to decide to fish or cut bait, and depending on how they
close
the current situation will determine just what their power base will be.
The
membership may just do nothing and join other similar organizations,
letting their interest just slide away, or they may demend a new election
and vote to change the by-laws, or they may elect to bail out with great
fanfair.
All of the above has nothing to do with the De Lorean autmobile,
it's use or ownership. It has nothing to do with right or wrong, just the
preception of an individual and a group. Whats it all mean in the great
scheme of things? not much as these things go, but then lots of people
don't
care a whit about the DMC-12 either.
Lee
VIN 2957
lee(AT)ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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