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Tuesday, August 19 1997 Volume 02 : Number 272
In this issue:
DML: DeLorean Vin 6058
Re: DML: delorean as a daily driver?
Re: DML: delorean as a daily driver?
DML: original authorized repair shops / Re: Knut's views on
Re: DML: delorean as a daily driver?
Re: DML: Dealer's Window Invoice
DML: RE: DOA Legal threat
DML: My DeLorean accident today.
DML: Frame rust solutions?
Re: DML: Dealer's Window Invoice
DML: RE: Looking for memorablia...
Re: DML: Dealer's Window Invoice
Re: DML: DeLorean Vin 6058
Re: DML: FYI DMC's for sale
Re: DML: Frame rust solutions?
DML:Vehicle Identification Numbers
Re: DML: RE: Looking for memorablia...
DML: Dealer's Window Sticker in PDF
DML: Frame rust (where to check?), How do you check for a good buy on
DML: Re: DeLorean as Daily Driver
DML: Frame rust / expoxy ?
Re: DML: delorean as a daily driver?
DML: Build dates
DML: Things written "in" the cars
DML: DeLorean prototype memorabilia
Re: DML: DeLorean prototype memorabilia - DMC Houston
DML: DMC handling
DML: Delorean for Sale
DML: Luggage Cases
DML: Frame rust solutions?
Re: DML: Things written "in" the cars
DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
DML: Emergency Brake
DML: Legal Action?!
DML: John DeLorean Lawsuit Ruling
Re: DML: DeLorean prototype memorabilia
DML: Chicago Area Repair Facilities
Re: DML: Emergency Brake
DML: Luggage rack
Re: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
DML: Where to find "luggage" cases
DML: clarification -> luggage vs luggage racks
DML: Wheel Color (re-post)
RE: DML: Things written "in" the cars
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:21:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: DeLorean Vin 6058
The car is in Annapolis Maryland. It has gray leather, and an Automatic
trans. There was a young man named Jermey Delany that wanted a test drive
in the car. He was 15 years old, and couldn't drive.
Jermey if you read this, could you give your opinion on this DMC
and the preformance with the Auto?
Everyone support James Espey. Jim if you need legal, my mother is a
lawyer.
Rob Lamrock -
Could you please E-mail me so I can reply to your last posting.
Sincerely Yours
Michael
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:52:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jfs819(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: delorean as a daily driver?
In responce to your question if a Delorean can be a daily driver, the
answere
is yes,
I drove mine VIN 10430 every day in Cleveland wether for ten years
and my wife drove hers VIN 6823 4 days a week for 10 years but
like Peter Pan we had to grow up and now they live in a garage to only be
driven a few times a year.
Jim Sigl
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:03:02 -0700
From: Henry Breer
Subject: Re: DML: delorean as a daily driver?
DKazmark(AT)aol.com wrote:
>
> can a delorean serve as reliable daily driver?Thanks for any input on
> this as
> i'd like to hear answers from actual owners instead of some magazine
> article.I'm 16 now and seriously looking at buying one.
>
> thank you
> Donald Kazmark
Donald,
Many of us (myself included) do use their DeLoreans as their daily
drivers. They are as reliable an automobile as any other, and more fun
to drive. But, there are a few things that you should consider and most
of them revolve around money.
There are no new DeLoreans. The cars were manufactured in '81-83 and
have stored/used/abused for about 15 years. Very few of the lower priced
cars are in good condition, so no matter what price you pay for a
DeLorean, you will probably end up with $15,000 or so invested in the
car before it is in shape to drive daily.
There is no network of dealerships, supported by a factory. Service,
from an oil change to a complete restoration, and virtually all parts
for the car are available from the five major suppliers:
Bauerly Automotive Inc Radnor, OH
DeLorean Motor Center Garden Grove, CA
DeLorean Motor Company Houston, TX
DeLorean One Chatsworth, CA
PJ Grady Inc West Sayville, NY
But the availibility of other shops is spotty. The DeLorean Owners
Association and the DML publish lists of other shops that have been
recommended by other owners, but there are many shops that will not work
on a DeLorean. (Usually, this is because they are not familiar with the
car and don't think that they can repair it quickly enough to make it
economically prudent).
Driving an exotic means maintaining an exotic. A *normal* car collects
dents, scratches, wear marks, and a few inoperable accessories over the
years. Their owners accept these as normal wear and tear because they
expect to trade the car soon. Most drivers of exotic cars are making a
statement about themselves and their lifestyle and are much more
concerned with maintenance, both mechanical and appearance. This can be
expensive.
Insurance at your age is also another area you need to check out before
you buy. Some companies will not insure the car, others limit coverage,
while others have no problem. But you need to see what the market is
like in your area.
My only concern in advising anyone whether they should buy and drive a
DeLorean is to make sure that you don't catch a tiger by the tail and
end up with a car that you can't afford. It will then be only a source
of complaint instead of a joy to dirve.
Hank Breer
DOA Board
VIN 1141
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buster Bunny
Subject: DML: original authorized repair shops / Re: Knut's views on
recent legal actions
Sender: dmcnews-approval(AT)world.std.com
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Several people responded to my question about original dealers/authorized
repair shops. However, no one had a list of authorized repair shops. If
everyone who knows of a former authorized repair shop would respond to me
via personal email with whatever information they have on former
authorized Delorean shops, I would compile a list and even make it
available in HTML or give it to James to put it on his DMCNews.com site.
I seem to remember that a couple of shops have been mentioned on the list
in the past, and I'll search the archives for those when I can.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all those who have responded to
my many questions, and all those who will respond to my future ones.
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Knut S Grimsrud wrote:
[...]
> Although by writing this I'm contributing to the problem, I'm
> concerned that by mulling this over on the mailing list we are
> expending our own resources on this unfruitful venture when we could
> be better engaged in adressing DMC-related topics of more general
> interest. I'm sure James will keep us posted on the developments and I
> therefore call for order on the mailing list and a return to
> DMC-related discussions.
Hear! Hear! Well said... I've been trying to think of how to say that
myself. This list is a great resource and I would hate to see it weakened
by this whole unfortunate mess.
-buster(AT)fdt.net
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1986 18:23:45 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: Re: DML: delorean as a daily driver?
At 07:58 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>can a delorean serve as reliable daily driver?Thanks for any input on
>this as
>i'd like to hear answers from actual owners instead of some magazine
>article.I'm 16 now and seriously looking at buying one.
>
>thank you
>Donald Kazmark
>
Hello Don,
I wish I was 16 again, and if I were I would have no problem
buying
a DMC as basic transportation. I drive one now every day to and from work.
Yes I have had some problems, which is to be expected when trying to
restore
a car that you drive at the same time. You will find that the DMC, when
driven as intended, and maintained as it should be, will last you a
lifetime. If you like the DMC as much as I did my 32 packard, you could
get
the same use, 400K miles befor I sold it to a collector.
The DMC is remarkable in how well it is designed and how easy it
is
to maintain. Just what you spend and how good a buy it turns out to be
will
depend mostly on you. It will depend on how much time and effort you put
in
and how well ypu learn your driving skills.
You have a lot of time ahead of you and a unique oppertunity to
aquire a rear and beautiful automobile, right now the value is very low,
but
that wont last for ever, and by the time you reach my age a half century
from now, your DMC will be worth a fortune, and might even be your best
pal!
Lee
VIN #5729
lee(AT)ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1986 18:32:14 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: Re: DML: Dealer's Window Invoice
At 12:45 PM 8/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Joyce, Do you have access to a fax ? The best way to get the best
>quality would be to have it copied and mailed to you. I don't have a
>scanner
>so I can't "E" mail a copy of the one I have. Best regards, Joe
>
Hi Joe,
If you feel you can trust registerd mail, send me you document
and I
will make you a perfect photo duplicat, a digital file in any format you
like and return your original in the same condition it arrives by
registered
mail. or if you like FEDEx, what ever. We have all the equipment and
software to reporduce any document in full color for almost any use.
I make this offer as a fello DMC owner. I will take care of all
cost
but for your original mail/shipping..........
Regards,
Lee
VIN# 5729
lee(AT)ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:42:55 -0700
From: "David Jacobs (NEC)"
Subject: DML: RE: DOA Legal threat
I completely agree. I am a law student at the University of Washington.
Upon reading the letter sent to James, I find little or no merit in
their threat. The real issue would be about free speech on the
internet. My conclusion, as well as my proff, feel that DOA would have
a hard time proving that James had an effect on their image or business
in general. I think the Judge would want to know why DOA was wasting
the time of the court and Mr. Espey.
(Thanks James...this gave me some extra credit in my class!)
My two cents!
Thanks!
Dave Jacobs...
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:18:47 -0700
From: Dan Berglund
Subject: DML: My DeLorean accident today.
It happened today. I was Rear ended while driving my D home from a
wonderful ride in a Biplane, the day had been going so well too...
Anyways, I was hit by a guy in a Lincoln Town Car and then hit the mini
van in front of me. There is alot of damage to the rear end, and quite a
bit to the front also.. I even had a third brake light on my car...I
guess
we can only reduce the chances of people hitting us - not completely
eliminate them... Anyways, my girlfriend and I only suffered whiplash and
we seem to be doing ok now...
Now comes my question - for those of you who have gone through this most
wonderfull experience what is the turnaround for this kind of damage to
be
repaired? I know every case is different but I would like to hear from
anyone who has gone through this...
I will be taking pictures of my car and possibly scanning and uploading
them somewhere if anyone is interested...
Thanks,
Dan Berglund (gonzo(AT)nwlink.com)
Nov '81 #6623 (now with a lot of damage)
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:45:24 -0400
From: Sean Mullally
Subject: DML: Frame rust solutions?
I just checked out my frame throughly yesterday and noticed several
cracks in
the epoxy where rust is starting to form. What is the best way to treat
this?
Can I sand off the epoxy just in that area and paint it or does it need
epoxy reapplied? Where can I get epoxy? Can grease be used? It seems to
me
this epoxy was a pretty stupid idea. When it cracks, it cultivates rust,
and makes it difficult to find.
I've called a couple of body shops and neither want to deal with a
Delorean
frame, and I dread having to pay to ship the car to either coast from
Michigan
to have PJ Grady or Delorean One work on it.
Any ideas or suggestions?
- -sean
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:46:16 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Dealer's Window Invoice
Joyce
I have two window stickers - one from my first D, an 81; one from my
present D, an 83. I could make a copy of either , or both, and mail them
to you. You might be surprised by the difference in the suggested retail
price between the two.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad - DOA 547 - DMC 0005 - VIN 16867
>I'm still not sure how to post something on your site, but could I
>somehow submit a request to your readers for a copy of a Delorean
>Dealer's Window Invoice ??? I show my 1981 model at lots of local
>events and with it I display other "memorabilia". Can such an item be
>sent via E-mail ???
>
>Thanking you in advance.
>www.canadianculture.com/lasuta
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:13:51 -0400
From: Steve Shortz
Subject: DML: RE: Looking for memorablia...
I have the original brochures that says "Presenting the DeLOREAN". It =
is 12" x 8.5". I even have many original magazines with test results on =
the DeLOREAN.
Steve
s.shortz(AT)mci2000.com
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:25:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Dealer's Window Invoice
Dear Lee, thanks for the generous offer. I have acess to similar
equipment.
So it's no biggie. Your spirit and your good heart show the real
picture
of the DeLorean
Enthusiast. I hope that this 'share/care' will prevail. Best regards,
Joe
:)
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:21:09 -0400
From: jrd(AT)chesapeake.net
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Vin 6058
> The car is in Annapolis Maryland. It has gray leather, and an Automatic
> trans. There was a young man named Jermey Delany that wanted a test drive
> in the car. He was 15 years old, and couldn't drive.
> Jermey if you read this, could you give your opinion on this DMC
> and the preformance with the Auto?
I have seen Mikes DeLorean
and its very nice. Everything works properly .The outside is in
perfect condition and the inside is in good shape 2.I am suprised that
this D hasnt sold because its worth the 15 k .
Mike I am getting all of those pictures scanned and I'll have them for
you within a week & 1/2.
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:18:10 -0400
From: Richard Strecker
Subject: Re: DML: FYI DMC's for sale
Check this one out carefully!
If it is the one that I saw a few months ago there is a sewrious case of
frame rust.
Who is the seller?
Richard
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:46:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Frame rust solutions?
I believe Kapac now DMC Houston (Steve Wynn) has some of the original
epoxy.
It is old so it will probably take days to set up but there are many
other
adnesive manufacturers that can help. If you live near Ohio Rudolf
Brothers
in Columbus Ohio can probably get you a good color match since its a
generic
color epoxy. Just make sure the repair done is rust free. trapping rust
under the new epoxy will just promote it. also P J Grady has some of this
material I think he may also have some newer epoxies.
Good luck
Ken
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:36:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML:Vehicle Identification Numbers
Rudy Stoltzmann wrote on 8/16/97;
> I bought a car magazine called Classic & Sports Car (the March
>97) issue and there's a short article about the DeLorean. Somebody else
>may have noticed this and posted it ( I tend to skip some messages so I
>dont know), that a gentleman named Robert Lamrock is mentioned in the
>article. Is this the same Rob Lamrock who helped us out with the right
>way to spell "De Lorean"?? I mean, i think it's pretty amazing to have
>the, as the article says, the "world expert on DeLoreans" on the list.
Yes I am one and the same although I don't profess to be a world expert -
that was Classic & Sports Car's opinion not mine. However I thought you
might like to read about your VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) and how
it came about.
The Vehicle Identification Number is a 17 character alpha/numeric number
with
10 fixed characters and 7 variable characters:-
SCEDT26T (X) AD 000000
Constant Check Constant Ascending Digit Sequence
SCE = World Manufacturer Code
D = Car Line
T = Series
2 = Body Type
6 = Engine
T = Restraint System
X = Check Digit
A = Model Year
D = Plant of Manufacture
000000 = Serial Number
The year of manufacture is determined from the following table;
1980 A
1981 B
1982 C
1983 D
If production had continued then 1984 was coded E and so on. There were
codes in place right up to the year 2012!!!
For those mathematicians out there you can calculate the Check Digit by
the
following;
a) Assign to each number in the VIN its actual mathematical value and to
each
letter the value specified in Table 1.
b) Multiply the assigned value for each character in the VIN by the weight
factor specified in Table 2. Multiply the check digit by 0.
c) Add the resulting products and divide the total by 11.
d) The remainder is the check digit. If the remainder is 10 the Check
Digit
is X.
Don't ask me how or why but it works!! (See my calculation below
tables)
TABLE 1 Mathematical Value of Letters in the VIN
A = 1 B = 2 C = 3 D = 4 E = 5 F = 6 G = 7 H = 8 J = 1 K = 2 L
= 3
M =4 N = 5 P = 7
R = 9 S = 2 T = 3 U = 4 V = 5 W = 6 X = 7 Y = 8 Z= 9
TABLE 2 Character and Weight Factor
1st = 8 2nd = 7 3rd = 6 4th = 5 5th = 4 6th = 3 7th = 2 8th = 10
Check Digit = 0
9th = 9 10th = 8 11th = 7 12th = 6 13th = 5 14th = 4 15th = 3 16th
= 2
My VIN Calculation
S C E D T 2 6 T (Check Digit) B D 0 0 3 9 1
5
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
=
2 3 5 4 3 2 6 3 (0) 2 4 0 0 3 9 1
5
X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X
X
8 7 6 5 4 3 2 10 (0) 9 8 7 6 5 4 3
2
=
16 +21+ 30+ 20 +12 +6 +12 +30 +0 +18 + 32 + 0 + 0 + 15 + 36 + 3
+ 10
Grand total = 261
Divide by 11 = 23 remainder 8. HEY PRESTO MY CHECK DIGIT !
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:12:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: ATMorgan1(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: RE: Looking for memorablia...
I am looking for the brochures/ postcards that have the prototype
delorean on
it... do you have any of these. I have both the american and european
version of the dealer/customer brochure.
Thanks,
Alex Morgan
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 13:49:33 -0700
From:
Subject: DML: Dealer's Window Sticker in PDF
A few years ago I created a copy of the window sticker in PDF format. It
is two pages - one is blank and the other is exactly how mine appears.
The idea is that you can print out a copy of the sticker, and using mine
as a guide, create one that matchs your vehicle. Note that mine is an 82.
It is posted now at:
ftp://dmcnews.com/sticker.pdf
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:33:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeloreanGY(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Frame rust (where to check?), How do you check for a good buy on
a d
Sender: dmcnews-approval(AT)world.std.com
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
I was wondering when purchasing a delorean, where are all or most of the
points of the car where you can check for frame rust? Also if you had to
replace the frame how would you go about doing this? How can you tell if
you
are buying a good delorean at a cheap price? What do you look for? I
want
to know this so that i can know what to look for when i purchase one in
the
future
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:52:57 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean as Daily Driver
Donald Kazmark asked:
> can a delorean serve as reliable daily driver?
He got a number of responses, including Jim Sigl:
> I drove mine VIN 10430 every day in Cleveland wether for ten years
> and my wife drove hers VIN 6823 4 days a week for 10 years
Jim, do you still live in Cleveland? If so please drop me a line.
Donald, I currently use my DeLorean as a daily driver in Cleveland,
although I garage it during the winter. I expect my DeLorean to last me
another 30 years. The DeLorean has got to be the most exotic car that
anyone could practically use as a daily driver.
Hank Breer gave you some good advice. Anyone, especially a young
man, should consider the financial and insurance implications of using a
DeLorean on a daily basis. I would also add that the DeLorean has very
little cargo space, a commodity treasured by college students.
Ignore the final scene in "Back to the Future," it is IMPOSSIBLE to drive
three (or more) people any distance in a DeLorean! If you want to
participate in any group activities with your friends you will always be
following the group around.
Yes, buying a DeLorean at a young age could be the thrill of a lifetime.
Just be careful and make absolutely sure that you know what sort of
experience lies ahead for you. Also remember that any car can be a bad
deal if you get ripped off by the seller. I would hate to see you back on
the DML next year complaining about your DeLorean!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 00:30:01 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: Frame rust / expoxy ?
Due to the higher volume of conversation about
Frame rust and expoxy lately, I figured I would share
my input .
My frame was not in bad condition at all. But, it did
show some signs of cracking. I had the frame
sand blasted and then I took it to a business
the does the "spray in" truck bed linings.
The product is called "Rino Linings"
They can spray it in just about all basic
colors except white. Its cured completely
in 8 hours and can withstand extreme
temperatures and is almost impossible
to tear or cut even with the sharpest of
objects. The best thing is that it remains
very flexible throughout its life, which is
guaranteed for life. Of course, you must completely
remove the fiber-body from the frame but its not
really all that bad ! ha ha !
Just thought I would share that with everyone.
- -Brandon
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:27:37 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines"
Subject: Re: DML: delorean as a daily driver?
DKazmark(AT)aol.com wrote:
>
> can a delorean serve as reliable daily driver?Thanks for any input on
> this as
> i'd like to hear answers from actual owners instead of some magazine
> article.I'm 16 now and seriously looking at buying one.
>
> thank you
> Donald Kazmark
Donald and all,
I use my D every day. Have been for almost a year now. It's a 15
year-old car so expect 15 year-old car problems. Just keep up the
maintenance on it and she'll treat you right.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:18:34 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter
Subject: DML: Build dates
I removed my upper door panel on the drivers side of my D and found a =
hand written assembly date of 18/11/81 on the door frame. I was =
interested to know where in the production line that the doors were put =
on the car since this would better determine when the cars "birthday" =
would be? How long did it take to build a D during in the late 81 time =
period?
- - Kevin #6810
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 09:34:07 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Things written "in" the cars
Kevin's post about the date handwritten underneath the door panel on his
car reminded me about finding the last five numbers of my VIN (#10570)
written under the headliner in the drivers door of my car. I've had my
drivers door panel off and there wasn't anything written there on my car.
James
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:56:24 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: DeLorean prototype memorabilia
Alex Morgan said:
> I am looking for the brochures/ postcards that have the prototype
> delorean on it...
My favorite piece of DeLorean memorabilia is the giant dealer's poster
that says "Presenting America's Most Talked About Car." It features a
collage of newspaper and magazine articles about John Z. DeLorean
and his car, several of which have pictures of the DeLorean "prototype."
The poster is HUGE, and the pictures come out looking good.
I got mine from Kapac, so I expect DMC Houston has them now.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:13:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: MICHAEL BABB
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean prototype memorabilia - DMC Houston
If the guys at DMC Houston are listening....do you guys have any of these
posters? I would love one!
Let us know!
Michael Babb, MCSE
Microsoft Technical Education
Computer Decisions Inc.
Phone 919.460.7604
Alpha Pager (Raleigh) 919.389.2695
mikebabb(AT)vnet.net
http://comp170.cditrain.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Mike Substelny wrote:
> Alex Morgan said:
>
> > I am looking for the brochures/ postcards that have the prototype
> > delorean on it...
>
> My favorite piece of DeLorean memorabilia is the giant dealer's poster
> that says "Presenting America's Most Talked About Car." It features a
> collage of newspaper and magazine articles about John Z. DeLorean
> and his car, several of which have pictures of the DeLorean "prototype."
> The poster is HUGE, and the pictures come out looking good.
>
> I got mine from Kapac, so I expect DMC Houston has them now.
>
> - Mike Substelny
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:50:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mpeak(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: DMC handling
There has been recent talk of the positive handling characteristics of the
Delorean...am I driving a different car than everybody else? Although the
car can be driven in a certain way to give it better handling
characteristics
and although I wouldn't characterize as a poor handling car, there is
never a
moment that I am unaware of the 65-35 weight bias. I have read in several
articles and have heard many people on the list talk about the attention
DMC
and Lotus put into curing the understeer problem, but what I have not been
able to figure out is why doesn't the Delorean have an anti-sway bar in
the
rear. Whenever I corner hard, I can feel the body swaying, the tail
lifting
up, pleading to swing around to the front (a situation that has happened
to
me in extreme cornering situations. Since the Delorean has a V engine
with a
high center of gravity located behind the rear wheels, an anti-sway bar
would
be such a simple yet effective device that would probably greatly improve
the
Delorean handling charactics. Any engineers out there that can explain
the
reasons why the Delorean is lacking one?
Matt
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:56:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: MGintis(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Delorean for Sale
I am considering selling my '81 Delorean, 5 speed, Black interior, 14,000.
This car is in show condition. The car is located in Boston.
Murray Gintis
mgintis(AT)aol.com
(617) 731-1008
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 8:54:04 -0400
From: "Rob Corkum"
Subject: DML: Luggage Cases
Hi Dick,
I had wondered down to the local Wal-Mart recently to check out
some luggage cases as described by the previous posts. They didn't
have anything like was described -- just some huge samsonite squared
off ones. Can you give us the manufacturer/model (or upc code )
of the ones that you three were talking about? Then the Wal-Mart
salesboy may know if they carry it. Thanks for the info.
Also, Could someone forward me a copy of the "dmcnews-digest V2" numbers
#268 & #269 ? Thanks in advance. (Unfortunately, my normal mail feed
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
was partially lost during this period and I missed some important
messages regarding some questions I asked.)
//Rob//
rob.corkum(AT)hrdc-drhc.gc.ca
DMCC
On 97/08/06, Dick said:
> I just returned from my local WalMart to purchase the luggage
> cases referred to by Mike and James. I bought two. I think
> they will sork great. Oh, they are currently on sale for
> $9.00 each.
>
> Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:08:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean P Mullally"
Subject: DML: Frame rust solutions?
I just checked out my frame throughly yesterday and noticed several
cracks in
the epoxy where rust is starting to form. What is the best way to treat
this?
Can I sand off the epoxy just in that area and paint it or does it need
epoxy reapplied? Where can I get epoxy? Can grease be used? It seems to me
this epoxy was a pretty stupid idea. When it cracks, it cultivates rust,
and makes it difficult to find.
I've called a couple of body shops and neither want to deal with a
Delorean
frame, and I dread having to pay to ship the car to either coast from
Michigan
to have PJ Grady or Delorean One work on it.
Any ideas or suggestions?
- -sean
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:35:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Things written "in" the cars
I have the dates and a set of initials in the same location on mine. Its
a
white almost a marking soap looking kind of mark
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:30:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeloreanGY(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
Can anyone give me a ruff estimate of what it would cost to get the top
inside of a door relined? I would really appreciate it.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:34:31 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"
Subject: DML: Emergency Brake
Whoops!!
Pulled up on the E-Brake a bit too hard yesterday. I guess a cable
snapped, because the handle goes all the way up now with no resistance.
The car does hold a little, so I figure the cable snapped on one side, but
the other still has a small amount of movement to keep the car from
rolling.
Any words of wisdom before I tackle this job?? Any surprises?
Marc
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:28:11 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"
Subject: DML: Legal Action?!
DJ Jethro writes:
>Okay, I think I'm going to pop my two-pence worth in here. I can see
>that the image portrayed of (some) Americans is justified. The whole
>"sue someone before they sue you first" subject has actually been made
>into a docummentary in the UK. Isn't it better to go to court with
>proper grounds other than wounded pride or the desire for money? Mike
>says it all perfectly. Oh, and like it or not, the DOA is bigger than
>the DML, and is therefore likely to have at least as many lawyers in its
>ranks.
I respond:
Did I miss something? No need to get in to a discussion about America law
here. What I want to know is who on
the DML suggested that James "Sue First"?? I think the majority of us
just
want to see this whole thing just go away! Based on stories and
documentation from the past, I suspect that the DOA will continue to
harass
James, and the DML in general.
To the DOA advocates/board members that may read this.... I dont hold a
grudge for too long. If you are so worried about people making negative
comments about the DOA on the DML, fix the problems then there will be
nothing to complain about! James, and the DML are potential friends of
the
DOA because of a common interest, even if we are not members.
P.S. Should I download all of the DML archives now before they are
removed?! James, can you make a big ZIP file for those of us who want
this
information in the event that the information be removed?
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:23:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: FHALS(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: John DeLorean Lawsuit Ruling
Just as an FYI to keep others abreast of recent John DeLorean news:
.c The Associated Press AP-NY-08-15-97
CINCINNATI (AP) - Former automaker John DeLorean must sell his personal
assets - including what's left of his 434-acre estate - to pay millions of
dollars in legal debts to one of his former lawyers, an appeals court
ruled
Thursday.
Judge Gilbert Merritt of the 6th U.S. District Court of Appeals wrote that
attorney Mayer Morganroth of Southfield, Mich., presented ample evidence
to
prove that DeLorean owes, with interest, $7.2 million.
``It was a well-reasoned and thorough opinion,'' Morganroth said Thursday.
``It was as we expected.''
DeLorean, a former General Motors executive who manufactured a sports car
with gull-wing doors and a rear-engine design, claimed that Morganroth
overbilled him.
From 1982 to 1993, Morganroth helped represent DeLorean in 40 cases,
including the bankruptcy of DeLorean Motor Co., a cocaine smuggling
indictment and his divorce from former model Christina Ferrare. DeLorean
was
acquitted of the drug charge.
Last year, a federal judge in Trenton, N.J., ruled that DeLorean's
personal
assets - including part of the estate near Bedminster, N.J. - could be
sold
to satisfy a judgment to pay Morganroth. The New Jersey decision also said
Morganroth could seize DeLorean's art collection, furniture and cars.
DeLorean, 72, agreed earlier to forfeit most of the land in his estate to
Merrill Lynch Credit Corp. to pay off $8 million in loans.
Under that deal, the remaining 45 acres and the Georgian mansion were to
be
saved for DeLorean's children, Zachary and Kathryn. Morganroth said
DeLorean's forfeiture agreement won't stop the land and house from going
to
him.
_________________
FHALS
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:12:11 -0700
From: bpayne(AT)macnet.com (Brandon Payne)
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean prototype memorabilia
Can you tell me any places to order some of the DeLorean promotonal
posters
and brochures?
Thank you!
Brandon J. Payne
bpayne(AT)macnet.com
- ---------------Sock Monkeys have invaded your computer!---------------
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:19:40 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: DML: Chicago Area Repair Facilities
Lent the Delorean to our son a couple of weeks ago for a trip to Chicago
(where he lives). It has developed runnability problems (probably fuel
system) and I need to find a shop there with experience working on Ds.
Unfortunately, the repair facilities list has NO listings for Illinois.
Since a number of Ds were sold new in the Chicago area, I'm sure there
are still one or two qualified mechanics in the area -- I'm just having
trouble tracking them down.
Would appreciate advice from any list subscribers living in the Chicago
metro area.
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:28:55 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: Emergency Brake
Marc Levy wrote:
> Whoops!!
>
> Pulled up on the E-Brake a bit too hard yesterday. I guess a cable
> snapped, because the handle goes all the way up now with no
> resistance.
> The car does hold a little, so I figure the cable snapped on one side,
> but
> the other still has a small amount of movement to keep the car from
> rolling.
>
> Any words of wisdom before I tackle this job?? Any surprises?
>
> Marc
We had a similar situation with the E-brake not holding when we bought
the D. Turns out that our problem was with the bracket that connects
the ends of the 2 cables to the parking brake lever -- one of the cables
had slipped out. Was able to repair the bracket and return the brake
to functionality. You might try looking at the lever area before you go
and try removing a cable.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:24:07 -0400
From: Steve Cotton
Subject: DML: Luggage rack
I also am wondering about the luggage racks available at Wal-Mart.
I've been to two Wal-marts with no luck on any luggage racks (one of
them said they have carried luggage racks previously but they don't
anymore) If someone could please post the manufacturer/model of the
ones at Wal-Mart to make the hunt easier and if anyone knows the price
of the original DMC luggage racks or if they're still available could
they post that as well. Thanks.
- -Steve
steve.cotton(AT)redstorm.com
VIN#11156
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:33:55 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
DeloreanGY(AT)aol.com wrote:
> Can anyone give me a ruff estimate of what it would cost to get the
> top
> inside of a door relined? I would really appreciate it.
I paid $75.00 to have both door headliners recovered in May of this
year. I'm sure cost will vary depending on your location. I am in the
Kansas city area.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:48:16 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Where to find "luggage" cases
Rob Corkum said:
> I had wondered down to the local Wal-Mart recently to check out
> some luggage cases as described by the previous posts. They
> didn't have anything like was described -- just some huge
> samsonite squared off ones.
Rob, when you go to Wal-Mart don't look in the luggage department.
Instead look in the *automotive* department. The cases we have
described are actually low, flat, black, wedge-shaped tool boxes that fit
behind the seat of a pickup truck. They say "Tuffcase" on the lid. I
threw away the packaging so I don't know the manufacturer, model
number, or the UPC.
Pick one or two that don't look too scuffed, then shine them up with a
polymer protectant. That way you won't feel like "you might be a
redneck." :-)
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:56:58 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: clarification -> luggage vs luggage racks
Steve Cotton said
> I also am wondering about the luggage racks available at Wal-Mart.
The Wal-Mart items can be used as luggage, they are NOT luggage
racks! Those of us who bought the Wal-Mart cases already owned the
original DMC luggage rack, which you can still buy from DMC Houston,
DeLorean One, PJ Grady, DeLorean Motor Center, etc..
Installation of the racks was described one or two weeks ago on the
DML. To my knowledge no one else makes any racks that are usable on
the DeLorean. I think there are still plenty of the DMC racks available.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 12:08:35 -0400
From: "Rob Corkum"
Subject: DML: Wheel Color (re-post)
It's time for me to consider re-finishing/re-painting the aluminum
rims on the DeLorean. I'm certain that the previous owner had done
this already. What I'm wondering is what the original color would be?
I understand that there were two common styles/colors to the wheels
- -- one for each of grey and black interiors.
Is there any paint code or color I should strive for? Ironically,
the cars in my area have grey interiors. I have a black interior
June '81 car.
Thanks!
//Rob//
rob.corkum(AT)hrdc-drhc.gc.ca
DMCC
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:19:07 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter
Subject: RE: DML: Things written "in" the cars
Mine are written in black marker. I guess it depends on whom was =
working the line that day. The initials that are written next to the =
date are RC.
- -----Original Message-----
From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com [SMTP:KKoncelik(AT)aol.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 8:35 PM
To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: Things written "in" the cars
I have the dates and a set of initials in the same location on mine. =
Its a white almost a marking soap looking kind of mark
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