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Thursday, August 21 1997 Volume 03 : Number 273
In this issue:
DML: DOA member makes a public motion
DML: Emergency Brake problem, handle or cable?
RE: DML: DeLorean prototype memorabilia
Re: DML: Emergency Brake problem, handle or cable?
DML: DML response to DOA attorney
DML: DeLorean Owners Directory - UPDATED
Re: DML: Things written "in" the cars
DML: The Legal Lowdown
Re: DML: Luggage Cases
Re: DML: Emergency Brake
Re: DML: DMC handling
DML: funky windshield wiper problem
Re: DML: Luggage rack
Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
Re: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
RE: DML: DMC handling
DML: DMC vs. Lancia
Re: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
Re: DML: Emergency Brake
DML: Re: Parts or Project Car
Re: DML: RE: Looking for memorablia...
Re: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
DML: Windows coming off track
Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
DML: DeLorean in 7 Years
Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
Re: DML: Windows coming off track
Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
Re: DML: DOA member makes a public motion
DML: New news from JZD
Re: DML: DeLorean in 7 Years
Re: DML: Things written "in" the cars
DML: Nylon clips to hold in the headliners
DML: Chicago Area Repairs
DML: Small dings
DML: D2
DML: Delorean II?
Re: DML: D2
DML: EASTERN REGIONAL RUN 7
DML: De Lorean Midatlantic Calendar of Events -- Summer 97
Re: DML: De Lorean spotted in Newark, Delaware
Re: DML: Chicago Area Repairs
Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
DML: DeLorean Models on the Net
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:29:02 -0500
From: R KERMAN
Subject: DML: DOA member makes a public motion
As a DOA paying member, I hereby wish to make the following motion:
"I Move that the DOA refrain from instigating a lawsuit against James
Epsy, the DOL, or any other person or group, without a full membership
vote, by official mailed written ballot, and with no less than 2/3
approval
of the full membership. I further include in this motion that only
official ballots returned may be counted as a YES vote toward the 2/3
needed, and that the results, be published in the next DOA Magazine,
listing each official voters name and vote."
Robert J. Kerman
DOA member
VIN 5581
rkerman(AT)jvlnet.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:16:01 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Emergency Brake problem, handle or cable?
Bill Marcussen said to Marc Levy:
> You might try looking at the lever area before you go
> and try removing a cable.
Marc, I agree with Bill. The same problem he had also happened to my
car more than once. I don't think my bracket is broken, it just doesn't
hold
very well. Looking at the way it is designed, I doubt that it ever did
hold
well. I end up putting it back together about twice a year, a simple job
that doesn't annoy me too much. It seems like the connection to the lever
is the weak link in that chain.
I never gave it much thought before, but my car *is* an early one. Might
this be common in early DeLoreans? Did they improve this system on the
later cars? If someone knows that DMC came up with a better bracket
please mention it on the list.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:00:17 -0400
From: Steve Shortz
Subject: RE: DML: DeLorean prototype memorabilia
Brandon,
I have original brochures for the DMC and some memorabilia.
Steve Shortz
s.shortz(AT)mci2000.com
>Can you tell me any places to order some of the DeLorean promotonal
>posters
>and brochures?
>
>Thank you!
>
>Brandon J. Payne
>bpayne(AT)macnet.com
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:22:55 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: Emergency Brake problem, handle or cable?
Mike Substelny wrote:
> I never gave it much thought before, but my car *is* an early one.
> Might
> this be common in early DeLoreans? Did they improve this system on
> the
> later cars? If someone knows that DMC came up with a better bracket
> please mention it on the list.
>
My car has a Dec 81 build date, so if it was "fixed" with an improved
design, it didn't happen until fairly late in the game.
Bill
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Date: 8/19/97 9:43 PM
From: espey(AT)dmcnews.com
Subject: DML: DML response to DOA attorney
This is the text of the letter that was sent to the DOA attorney by
certified mail last Thursday, August 14th, 1997.
August 14, 1997
Dear Mr. Lebby:
In response to your letter of August 4, 1997 demanding all
references to the DeLorean Owners Association (DOA) on my website
be purged and suggesting defamation by myself and those who
author postings to the DeLorean Mailing List, I have sought legal
opinion and am instructed to respond in this manner.
My website is dedicated to Delorean owners and people who love
the car. It's a forum open for discussion by everyone and
censorship goes against my grain. I'm an American used to the
privilege of Free Speech and voicing opinions is a part of that
right. There was no defamation in any article on my website.
Furthermore, all references to the DOA have been either
completely accurate, or simply the opinions of the authors. The
existing disclaimer on my home page refers to situations just
such as this.
And, though you have no legal right to force compliance, I do not
wish to use the resources available to me to enter into a long,
unproductive court proceeding. I would think also that the DOA
has better ways to use their monies in the member-funded
treasury. Therefore, I will immediately include a broader opinion
disclaimer on my home page. This disclaimer will also appear at
the end of each new edition of the digest and in the "welcome"
message sent to each new subscriber.
Upon receipt from you of a listing identifying the articles the
DOA believes to be "negative, false, and misleading", my legal
counsel and I will review them and take the appropriate action at
that time. I look forward to working with you to resolve this.
Sincerely,
James V. Espey
cc: Edward H. Rice, Esq.
DeLorean Mailing List
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 10:59:22 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: DeLorean Owners Directory - UPDATED
The August edition of the DeLorean Owners Directory, with 126 entries
from Alabama to Puerto Rico to Japan, has been posted in the DMC-News
Lounge.
Mike Substelny, longtime DML'er and personal friend of mine, has
graciously taken over the responsibility of updating and maintaining the
DeLorean Owners Directory. With my hectic schedule, I was finding it more
and more difficult to maintain the Directory as it grew. Mike and I will
be working closely to increase participation among both internet and
non-internet DeLorean owners.
If you are not in the DeLorean Owners Directory, please fill out the form
at:
http://www.dmcnews.com/directory.html
If you do not have access to the web, send email to
"directory(AT)dmcnews.com" with the message "send form" in the subject and
I will send you a text version of the form to fill out and return.
I expect the DeLorean Owners Directory to grow considerably over the next
few months as we've got registration forms going out in the following
club newsletters:
DeLorean Mid-Atlantic
DeLorean Midwest Connection
Southeast DeLorean Club
Ohio DeLorean Club
DeLorean Club of Oregon
If you would like some inserts for your club newsletter, please email me.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:46:21 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE"
Subject: Re: DML: Things written "in" the cars
Alright, you guys have got me curious. Where can I check to see if there
are any hidden things in my car. I heard references to headliner and door
panels. If I heard correctly, how do I go about getting these removed to
take a look?
Michael
- ----------
> From: Kevin Wolter
> To: 'dmcnews(AT)world.std.com'
> Subject: RE: DML: Things written "in" the cars
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 12:19 PM
>
> Mine are written in black marker. I guess it depends on whom was =
> working the line that day. The initials that are written next to the =
> date are RC.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com [SMTP:KKoncelik(AT)aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 8:35 PM
> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
> Subject: Re: DML: Things written "in" the cars
>
> I have the dates and a set of initials in the same location on mine. =
> Its a white almost a marking soap looking kind of mark
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 11:01:52 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: The Legal Lowdown
As part of my response to the attorney representing the DOA, I agreed to
post the "broader" disclaimer below. I encourage everyone to read it and
make sure that you understand what it says.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
*************************
The Legal Lowdown
Postings to the DELOREAN MAILING LIST are the opinions of the author and
not necessarily those of the list moderator (James Espey) or his Internet
Service Provider(s). The list moderator makes every effort to screen out
false, misleading, and negative postings, but it is up to you, the reader
of the DELOREAN MAILING LIST, to realize that nothing should be taken as
actual fact without reseach and investigation of your own. Authors of
messages to the DELOREAN MAILING LIST are also reminded to consider the
ramifications of posting inaccurate information. While everyone (in the
United States, at least) is entitled to their own opinion and the right
of free speech, you still cannot yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.
Any maintenance techniques or possible modifications (including, but not
limited to, part substitution) published in the DELOREAN MAILING LIST or
DMC-News, the 'zine should be weighed against conventional, traditional
and generally accepted techniques and modifications. Neither the list
moderator (James Espey) nor his Internet Service Provider(s) should be
considered the authority on maintaining or improving DeLoreans and the
views expressed are those of the author of the message posted or
procedure described and does not constitute endorsement of it by the
moderator or his Internet Service Provider(s). Prudent owners should
consider possible techniques or modifications in light of common sense
compromises among economy, longevity, performance, reliablility,
driveability, legality and resale value. Failure to consider any of the
above could result in either harm to your DeLorean, your pocketbook or
yourself. The list moderator and his Internet Service Provider(s) will
not assume liability for any such consequences. Think before you act.
Just as opening a software package indicates your agreement to the terms
of the licensing agreement, posting a message to the DELOREAN MAILING
LIST, subscribing to either the "live" or "digest" version, or accessing
the archives indicates that you have read and understand the disclaimer
above.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:21:24 -0700
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Luggage Cases
Several persons have contacted me directly re the Wal Mart luggage cases.
Seems these are not stocked in all stores.
The cases are Slimline Professional Tuffcase Truck Tool Boxes by Contico
Manufacturing Company in St. Louis MO.
They are great for tools, parts and cleaning supplies. They lack a little
to be used as traditional luggage, but would be great for socks,
underwear,
Tshirts and Levi's for a 2/3 day trip.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:00:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: jameel a ahed
Subject: Re: DML: Emergency Brake
Hello sir,
I think a little metal "U" BRACKET/SPRING BROKE. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR
CALIPERS AND PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO YOUR HAND BRAKE PADS YOU WILL SEE
WHAT i AM TALKING ABOUT. HOPE THIS HELPS.
Jameel Ahed
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Marc Levy wrote:
> Whoops!!
>
> Pulled up on the E-Brake a bit too hard yesterday. I guess a cable
> snapped, because the handle goes all the way up now with no resistance.
> The car does hold a little, so I figure the cable snapped on one side, but
> the other still has a small amount of movement to keep the car from
> rolling.
>
> Any words of wisdom before I tackle this job?? Any surprises?
>
> Marc
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:10:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DMC handling
Matt, CRITICAL, the handling is much effected by tire pressure. I highly
recommend that you follow the factory recommendations and that you stick
to
the factory specs when it comes to tire size. Recently, I took my "D" to
a
driving school and was very impressed with the way everything worked, even
with the wrong size tires on it. But I agree with you, the body roll
seems
to be a bit much and an anti-sway bar would be a big improvement. My car
is
lowered and I'm sure it helps. I've been told that if I put stock springs
back in the rear, that it would stiffen it quite a bit. Let me know if
you
find a sourse for the sway bar.. Regards, Joe
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:49:15 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE"
Subject: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
My car has developed an interesting problem. In the morning, when it is
cool outside (an there is usually dew on the windows) my wipers will not
work at all. This includes all settings of the wipers, and the ability so
squirt fluid.....there is nothing at all.
Later in the day (usually when I don't need the wipers) they will work
fine.
Anyone else come accross this problem, or have any suggestions on what I
can check?
Michael Babb
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:26:54 -0700
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Luggage rack
Wal Mart does not have luggage racks - they have some cases that work as
luggage cases in the front of the D and also fit nicely on a D's rack.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad
>I also am wondering about the luggage racks available at Wal-Mart.
>I've been to two Wal-marts with no luck on any luggage racks (one of
>them said they have carried luggage racks previously but they don't
>anymore) If someone could please post the manufacturer/model of the
>ones at Wal-Mart to make the hunt easier and if anyone knows the price
>of the original DMC luggage racks or if they're still available could
>they post that as well. Thanks.
>
>-Steve
>steve.cotton(AT)redstorm.com
>VIN#11156
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:49:27 -0700
From: e/evan/altendorf
Subject: Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
Though I've never owned or worked on a car, here's my take ...
Dew + total wiper system failure => electrical short ?
When you wash your car, do the wipers stop functioning? If so, look
for some place that water might be seeping into [whereever the wiper
electronics are], and seal it up.
Please apply the DML disclaimer in triplicate to this message! :)
- -e.
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:49:15 EDT, "Michael C. Babb, MCSE" wrote:
> My car has developed an interesting problem. In the morning, when it is
> cool outside (an there is usually dew on the windows) my wipers will not
> work at all. This includes all settings of the wipers, and the ability so
> squirt fluid.....there is nothing at all.
>
> Later in the day (usually when I don't need the wipers) they will work
> fine.
>
> Anyone else come accross this problem, or have any suggestions on what I
> can check?
>
> Michael Babb
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
are you talking just the headliner. or replacing the backing also
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:53:23 -0400
From: Steve Shortz
Subject: RE: DML: DMC handling
ADDCO had sway bars for the rear of the DeLOREAN. The are located in
Lake Park, FL. Area code 561. Roland is the president.
S.shortz(AT)mci2000.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com [SMTP:JSteuben(AT)aol.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 3:10 PM
>To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
>Subject: Re: DML: DMC handling
>
>Matt, CRITICAL, the handling is much effected by tire pressure. I highly
>recommend that you follow the factory recommendations and that you stick
>to
>the factory specs when it comes to tire size. Recently, I took my "D" to
>a
>driving school and was very impressed with the way everything worked, even
>with the wrong size tires on it. But I agree with you, the body roll
>seems
>to be a bit much and an anti-sway bar would be a big improvement. My car
>is
>lowered and I'm sure it helps. I've been told that if I put stock springs
>back in the rear, that it would stiffen it quite a bit. Let me know if
>you
>find a sourse for the sway bar.. Regards, Joe
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:42:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin
Subject: DML: DMC vs. Lancia
Hi,
I was at a motor show the other day and saw a Lancia "MonteCarlo" car. It
was SO similar in appearance to a DMC that I had to take a second look to
make sure I wasn't seeing things. I know the chap who designed the DMC
shape also had a hand in Lotus and the VW Scirocco which certainly bears a
similarity. Anyone know about this Lancia? Apparently they're very rare
(at least here in the UK).
Martin
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:52:54 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
KKoncelik(AT)aol.com wrote:
> are you talking just the headliner. or replacing the backing also
My rework involved putting new headliner material on existing pressed
board inserts. If your inserts need to be replaced as well, my guess is
that you would need to purchase new parts from one of the suppliers.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 17:57:04 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Emergency Brake
> Whoops!!
>
> Pulled up on the E-Brake a bit too hard yesterday. I guess a cable
> snapped, because the handle goes all the way up now with no resistance.
> The car does hold a little, so I figure the cable snapped on one side, but
> the other still has a small amount of movement to keep the car from
> rolling.
>
> Any words of wisdom before I tackle this job?? Any surprises?
The D uses 2 separate cables leading from the handle mechanism
to each wheel. Most of the time, the only part that breaks is the
ends of the cable inside the car. Just remove the carpet boot and
driver seat if you want. There is a lever with a pivoting metal
plat on the end. The 2 cables slide in and lock into slots
on each end of this plate. This is where you will probably find the
break.
- -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:20:05 -0400
From: "jsinger"(AT)world.std.com
Subject: DML: Re: Parts or Project Car
I am in the process of restoring an 81 DMC.
Does anyone know of an inexpensive parts
car, jsinger(AT)dmc12.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:39:02 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin
Subject: Re: DML: RE: Looking for memorablia...
Hi,
I don't know if this is related to the mentioned "prototype" but in my
collection of pictures of the DMC that I've found on the net, I have one
of the left hand side of a car, slightly to the back (showing the rear).
It has different windows to the production car - the main pane is split
vertically about 1/3 to the rear. I wanted to ask what the origin of this
car was and it struck me that it might be an original propoganda shot of
the prototype. The pic has the word "DELOREAN" underneath in stylised
writing, though not the "DMC" logo style. I'm almost sure I got it on Dave
Takeuchi's page.
Martin
On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 ATMorgan1(AT)aol.com wrote:
> I am looking for the brochures/ postcards that have the prototype
> delorean on
> it... do you have any of these. I have both the american and european
> version of the dealer/customer brochure.
> Thanks,
> Alex Morgan
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:11:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Phillip Wiltfong
Subject: Re: DML: lining in the on the top of the doors.
Re: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com replacing headliners
Yeah, my headliners finally let go too, and even though I ALWAYS
keep my "D" garaged (9,000 miles now). So I just popped them out and
took them to my favorite body shop and $40 later, both were exactly as
good as new. What could be easier?
Phil
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:21:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: JIGAWTZ(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Windows coming off track
My windows are always coming off the track and I have to pull them up to
get
them to shut all the way...How can I fix them so they don't come off the
track anymore? Please help me Jigawtz(AT)aol.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:05:02 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE"
Subject: Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
Nope....don't think that is it. I usually wash my car in the afternoon,
and then turn on the wipers to get the water off so I can see going
home......I have a wierd feeling it is somethiong with the heat, although
I
don't know what.......
Thanks for the tip though...I will still look into that as a posibility.
- ----------
> From: e/evan/altendorf
> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
> Subject: Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 3:49 PM
>
> Though I've never owned or worked on a car, here's my take ...
> Dew + total wiper system failure => electrical short ?
>
> When you wash your car, do the wipers stop functioning? If so, look
> for some place that water might be seeping into [whereever the wiper
> electronics are], and seal it up.
>
> Please apply the DML disclaimer in triplicate to this message! :)
>
> -e.
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:49:15 EDT, "Michael C. Babb, MCSE" wrote:
> > My car has developed an interesting problem. In the morning, when it
is
> > cool outside (an there is usually dew on the windows) my wipers will
not
> > work at all. This includes all settings of the wipers, and the ability
so
> > squirt fluid.....there is nothing at all.
> >
> > Later in the day (usually when I don't need the wipers) they will work
> > fine.
> >
> > Anyone else come accross this problem, or have any suggestions on what
I
> > can check?
> >
> > Michael Babb
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:06:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Charles Goldfischer
Subject: DML: DeLorean in 7 Years
Hi,
I'm currently going into college (Columbia University - woohoo!),
age 18, and a few months back I formulated this "plan" that would allow me
to purchase a DeLorean for my 25th birthday, in June of 2004.
I live in New York, so my plan is to buy my future D from P.J.
Grady. I assume he sells refurbished cars. I realize this is somewhat of a
stupid question, but does anyone believe his shop will still be around in
7
years? I sure hope so...
Secondly, what do you think the DeLorean will be worth in 7 years?
My current plan calls for me to save up $15,000 by June 2004. Most of this
money is coming from the years 2001 thru 2004, after I have graduated
college and I am making real money. In the five months since my saving
began, I've managed to save $878 (big whoop, enough to buy 4 tires ;] ).
Looking back on the decision to save 15K, I realized to my horror that a
decent DeLorean at that time may be worth somewhere around the 25,000
dollar
range! So what would a D that costs $15K today be worth in 7 years? Will
the
value increase THAT much in such a relatively short time or is it too
early
to tell?
Thanks for your help, and here's hoping this awesome mailing list
is
around in June of 2004, so I can proclaim that my plan worked! :)
- -= Mike a.k.a. a49erfan(AT)pipeline.com =-
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:51:18 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
A couple years ago my windshield wipers developed a similar problem, but
I couldn't associate it with temperature, dew or any other common
factor, just an intermittent when I needed them. At times they worked
fine, although I usually don't take the car out on a rainy day, I
usually discovered that they didn't work when I tried the washer.
I pulled the wiper conntrol board and some of the solder connections
looked questionable, either possible cracks or just poor original
soldering. I resoldered all the connections, cleaned the terminals,
lubed the plug, and have had no trouble since. The problem may have
been in the plug and spade terminals but since I had the board out, it
only took about 5 minutes to resolder it.
Jim #6884
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:00:47 +0000
From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:49:15 EDT, "Michael C. Babb, MCSE" wrote:
>My car has developed an interesting problem. In the morning,
>wipers will not work at all. This includes all settings of the
>wipers, and the ability so squirt fluid.....there is nothing at all.
Sender: dmcnews-approval(AT)world.std.com
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Michael,
It sounds to me like the wonderful Lucas module is doing it's
sporadic "I'll work when I feel like it" thing. Refer to 3/6/2 and
note the two plugs that aren't numbered. They both plug into #3, the
wonderful Lucas module. They also plug into each other. Do that. The
only thing you've lost is the intermittent, that I never could figure
out anyway, and the wipers should work fine at both high and low.
Chris
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:52:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Windows coming off track
Let's start with the simplest possible solution -- don't close your doors
with the windows down. This has a tendency to cause them to pop out of
the
track.
If you don't normally do this, then you have a more serious problem to
correct.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -----
>My windows are always coming off the track and I have to pull them up to
>get
>them to shut all the way...How can I fix them so they don't come off the
>track anymore? Please help me Jigawtz(AT)aol.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:51:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
>My car has developed an interesting problem. In the morning,
>wipers will not work at all. This includes all settings of the
>wipers, and the ability so squirt fluid.....there is nothing at all.
Michael,
It sounds to me like the wonderful Lucas module is doing it's
sporadic "I'll work when I feel like it" thing. Refer to 3/6/2 and
note the two plugs that aren't numbered. They both plug into #3, the
wonderful Lucas module. They also plug into each other. Do that. The
only thing you've lost is the intermittent, that I never could figure
out anyway, and the wipers should work fine at both high and low.
Chris
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1986 23:51:10 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: Re: DML: DOA member makes a public motion
At 11:29 AM 8/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>As a DOA paying member, I hereby wish to make the following motion:
>
>"I Move that the DOA refrain from instigating a lawsuit against James
>Epsy, the DOL, or any other person or group, without a full membership
>vote, by official mailed written ballot, and with no less than 2/3
>approval
>of the full membership. I further include in this motion that only
>official ballots returned may be counted as a YES vote toward the 2/3
>needed, and that the results, be published in the next DOA Magazine,
>listing each official voters name and vote."
>
>Robert J. Kerman
>DOA member
>VIN 5581
>rkerman(AT)jvlnet.com
>
>
As a DOA paying member, I hereby wish to second the motion !
Lee M. Seiler
DOA member
VIN 5729
lseiler(AT)ccnet.com
lee(AT)ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 07:56:28 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: New news from JZD
JZD's assistant posted this message and asked that I pass it on to the
list...
DeLorean's new address: P.O. Box 285, Pluckemin, NJ 07978. He has a lot
of new projects in the works and you can write him directly at this
mailbox. To order his new video called "DARE TO DREAM" an in depth
interview with Ireland's John Kelly. 90 minutes of tough questions
answered by John DeLorean himself. Just send $29.95 check, money order,
visa or master card. Or call 1-800-351-7100. I just got it and it was
great.
If you are a DeLorean fan like I am we are in for a real treat with his
new "DII". I've seen a lotof details on this new awsome piece of genius
creation and I can't wait to own one. If you want more current
information on the man himself. Just write me at either the p.o. box
address or here at lena(AT)injersey. I'd be happy to communicate with you
regarding DeLorean's "Dare To Dream". Hope to hear from you soon! Would
you like to join the DeLorean Network? Write me: send a s.a.s.e. and I'll
send you the information on how you can join The DeLorean Network.
James
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:42:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean in 7 Years
I have visited Grady's shop a few times in recent months and with the
work he has
going on and the cars coming in daily he probably won't catch up for 7
years.
He has a good size inventory and some cars that are for sale although he
does help match up potential sellers to buyers.
Check his shop out yourself He's only an hour from the bridge.
ken
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:48:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Things written "in" the cars
There are plastic fasteners that are of the christmas tree type holding
the
panels in. If you are careful with a screwdriver, or the special tool no
one
has you can remove them one clip at a time. Its rather easy but don't
force
them. The more support around them the easier they are to pop off. Just
don't go at it without looking at it.
My part has the date and initials over the drivers door. Nothing over
the
passengers door.
While you're at it replace the headliner if its bad. You can only take
these
apart so many times before they need to have the clips replaced. The
clips
are cheap but you have to find them first. Fastex makes similar if not
the
exact clip.
have fun
Ken
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:51:42 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Nylon clips to hold in the headliners
Ken Koncelik said:
> The clips (that hold in the headliner) are cheap but you have to find
> them first. Fastex makes similar if not the exact clip.
I believe nylon Fastex clips are the ones I use, too. I got a set of
clips
from Kapac three years ago that looked right but did NOT fit correctly
(must have been a mislabled batch left over from Ireland). The Fastex
clips do appear to be EXACTLY the same as the originals.
I don't remember the model number, but I can tell you how I got mine. I
used to work for a company that used Fastex parts all the time. They
had a Fastex sampler in the shop, which contained dozens of different
clips. I looked through the sampler, found the clip that matched the
DeLorean, and dropped by my local Fastex distributor to inquire about it.
He sent me home with a free sample box of brand new X-mas tree clips
that are a perfect match for my DeLorean. If anyone is desperate I think
I
still have a dozen or so left.
- - Mike Substelny
------------------------------
Date: 8/20/97 11:33 AM
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01(AT)world.std.com (Don_Gowler-CFPO01(AT)email.mot.com)
Subject: DML: Chicago Area Repairs
Message authorized by:
: billmarcussen(AT)sprintmail.com(AT)INTERNET at #EMAIL
Bill, you might call Dave Donaldson at (630) 629 3839. He is the best
around
here but oh so busy. Also, you could try Schiller Park Automotive at
Irving
Park and Kolze. Talk to Harold or Debbie at (847) 678-5100 and see if
they are
interested - I hear they have done excellent work in the past. One other
thought would be Shepard Chevrolet in the Lake Forest/Lake Bluff area.
They are
the only past dealer that I know of that still work on DeLoreans but I
can not
vouch for their workmanship.
Regards, The Silver Fox
___________________________________________________________________________
____
Subject: DML: Chicago Area Repair Facilities
From: dmcnews-approval(AT)world.std.com(AT)INTERNET at #EMAIL
Date: 8/19/97 10:33 AM
Lent the Delorean to our son a couple of weeks ago for a trip to Chicago
(where he lives). It has developed runnability problems (probably fuel
system) and I need to find a shop there with experience working on Ds.
Unfortunately, the repair facilities list has NO listings for Illinois.
Since a number of Ds were sold new in the Chicago area, I'm sure there
are still one or two qualified mechanics in the area -- I'm just having
trouble tracking them down.
Would appreciate advice from any list subscribers living in the Chicago
metro area.
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:34 -0800
From: "donovan"
Subject: DML: Small dings
My Delorean has two small dings the size of dimes on the drivers
side.
Can these be fixed by conventional means or does the panel need to
be
replaced?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:36 -0800
From: "donovan"
Subject: DML: D2
I am interested in any info on the rumored D2. Price, engine, etc..
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:09:36 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines"
Subject: DML: Delorean II?
Hi all,
So what is this about a Delorean II? Has anyone seen or read ANYTHING
about it? Is it still on the drawing board? I'd love to see what a new D
would look like. Post to the group if you have any info.
Mike
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 13:04:16 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: D2
There was an article last week in a Detroit paper that touched briefly on
this while discussing the recent verdict in the Morganroth suit. I was
sent a copy of the article and I'll post it tonight.
James
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:02:27 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono(AT)phila.gov
Subject: DML: EASTERN REGIONAL RUN 7
Replying to Doug Venner---
I am planning to attend, and looking forward to meeting DML
Subscribers there.
Jack Singer, President, De Lorean Virginia, posted a previous message
with info on registrations to date.
For additional information, see previous DML or email:
jsinger(AT)dmc12.com.
Aldo Buono
De Lorean Midatlantic, President
DMC #14
VIN #1440
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:26:37 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono(AT)phila.gov
Subject: DML: De Lorean Midatlantic Calendar of Events -- Summer 97
August 24
"A Taste of Britain", Lancaster, Pennsylvania
No judging. Polo Game and Lots of British Cars including De Lorean.
Info: Dennis at 717-548-3478.
September 13 and 14
De Lorean Eastern Regional Run 7
Annual East Coast Convention of De Lorean owners.
Richmond, Virginia
Tech Session by Rob Grady of P. J. Grady, Inc.
Road Rally, Party at the Virginia Aviation Museum.
Car Show held in conjunction with Richmond British Car Days
at the Berkeley Plantation in Charles City, Virginia.
Registration and Info: jsinger(AT)dmc12.com
September 21
Third Annual Transportation Show
Mid-Atlantic Air Museum, Reading, Pennsylvania
No competiton, just show.
Registration and Info: 610-372-7333
September 27
English Car Day at Graeme Park, Horsham, Pennsylvania
Registration and Info: Mike Nitroy, 215-672-0613 or
Marty Snyder, 215-242-1719
De Lorean Midatlantic is the De Lorean owners club of the
midatlantic
states. Annual Membership is $12. Benefits of membership include:
annual complimentary door adjustment tech/social in the spring,
annual complimentary safety inspection by Rob Grady of P. J. Grady,
****parts interchange list***, membership directory, newsletter.
Send check made out to "De Lorean Owners" to: Dick Lash, De Lorean
Midatlantic Treasurer, 405 Lark Drive, Newark, DE 19713, Phone:
302-368-8273.
Aldo Buono, President
aldo.buono(AT)phila.gov
DMC #14
VIN #1440
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:46:36 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono(AT)phila.gov
Subject: Re: DML: De Lorean spotted in Newark, Delaware
That D belongs to the Treasurer of De Lorean Midatlantic:
Dick Lash.
Give him a call:302-368-8273. Dick is not on the net yet.
Aldo Buono
De Lorean Midatlantic
DMC #14
VIN #1440
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:17:39 -0700
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Chicago Area Repairs
The Silver Fox said:
>
One other
>thought would be Shepard Chevrolet in the Lake Forest/Lake Bluff area.
>They are
>the only past dealer that I know of that still work on DeLoreans but I
>can not
>vouch for their workmanship.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----
I had work done there two years ago while visiting Chicago - car broken
into, window smashed, stereo stolen, etc. The workmanship was fine and
they were very courteous. HOWEVER, they sold their entire parts inventory
to Rob Grady earlier this year so I suspect they are out of the DeLorean
repair business.
The Rad Dad
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:03:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: MICHAEL BABB
Subject: Re: DML: funky windshield wiper problem
That sounds good Jim. Any easy way to get to this board and get it out to
clean/repair?
Michael Babb, MCSE
Microsoft Technical Education
Computer Decisions Inc.
Phone 919.460.7604
Alpha Pager (Raleigh) 919.389.2695
mikebabb(AT)vnet.net
http://comp170.cditrain.com
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, James Nichols wrote:
> A couple years ago my windshield wipers developed a similar problem, but
> I couldn't associate it with temperature, dew or any other common
> factor, just an intermittent when I needed them. At times they worked
> fine, although I usually don't take the car out on a rainy day, I
> usually discovered that they didn't work when I tried the washer.
> I pulled the wiper conntrol board and some of the solder connections
> looked questionable, either possible cracks or just poor original
> soldering. I resoldered all the connections, cleaned the terminals,
> lubed the plug, and have had no trouble since. The problem may have
> been in the plug and spade terminals but since I had the board out, it
> only took about 5 minutes to resolder it.
>
> Jim #6884
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:55:07 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon"
Subject: DML: DeLorean Models on the Net
For those who are interested in taking a look at my BTTF2 DeLorean
models
they are now on the Net. Michael Babb was more than gracious to include
the images on his "Quintessential DeLorean Page." He also just got done
re-designing and organizing the site.
http://comp170.cditrain.com/delorean/index.html
Shannon Yocom
syocom(AT)mitchellco.com
DMC fanatic, model builder, and a future hopeful owner
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