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Sunday, August 24 1997 Volume 03 : Number 274
In this issue:
DML: 2 DMC 12's for sale in Europe
DML: Oil gauge
DML: Water in floor
DML: Vent controls
Re: DML: Chicago Area Repair Facilities
DML: Emergency brake --> Fixed!
DML: Anti Sway Bar?
DML: Value of Delorean Dealer Sign.
DML: Info on D2 from Detroit Free Press - 8/15/97
Re: DML: Water in floor
Re: DML: Emergency brake --> Fixed!
Re: DML: water in floor
Re: DML: D2
Re: DML: Info on D2 from Detroit Free Press - 8/15/97
DML: E-Brake fixed, 60 cents found
DML: DOA
DML: Rear Sway Bars
DML: Ground Effects
DML: ADMIN NOTE - Possible mail problem
DML: DOOR DINGS & STARTING PROBLEMS
DML: Questions
Re: DML: D2
Re: DML: D2
DML: DeLorean Midwest Connection Event Schedule
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:38:14 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Nikki Schumann
Subject: DML: 2 DMC 12's for sale in Europe
Hello DML'ers
For those of you who are looking to purchase a Delorean in Europe, I came
across these two cars in a second hand magazine in France:
1. 1981 model, recently rebuilt engine, no price or milage listed - looks
OK
on photo. Car is in France and the number to call is: +33 474 22 17 06
during office hours.
2. 1981 model, 7000 km (miles ?), black interior, apparently in great
shape.
Asking price is 100000 FF (about 17000 US$). This car is located in
Belgium
and the number to call is: +32 71 38 07 26 or + 32 71 40 49 37.
Any of these two belong to people on the list ?
Nikki.
- --------------------------------------------------
Nikki Schumann --- mail: Nikki.Schumann@wanadoo.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/nikki.schumann/WELCOME.HTM
- --------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:37:39 -0500
From: "Travis H. Graham"
Subject: DML: Oil gauge
When I bought my D, the oil pressure needle sat vertically when the car =
was on, and fell some when idling. I got a new oil pressure sending =
unit installed after the mechanic said my pressure was fine. Now the =
needle is usually around the 3/4 mark when running. Other times, it =
will sit at around the half mark when running. Is this normal for a De =
Lorean, and how can I fix it?
Thanks.
Travis
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:38:44 -0500
From: "Travis H. Graham"
Subject: DML: Water in floor
Whenever I run my A/C, the passenger floorboard gets soaked with water =
after a short time. If anyone has had this annoying problem, I would =
greatly appreciate knowing how to fix it. Also, if it involves taking =
the dash off, I have to do that anyway.
Thanks.
Travis
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:37:52 -0500
From: "Travis H. Graham"
Subject: DML: Vent controls
Today's problem involves the air conditioning/heater vent selection =
switch. It seems to distribute air through whatever opening it cares =
for. Whenever I adjust the position, the air might come out of the =
defrost, or it might only come out of the doors, but doesn't like to =
come out of the front much. I finally tricked it into shooting air out =
of the front, but if I turn the air OFF, it may never return to the =
front. Also, whenever I turn off the car, I hear a "shhhhhh" noise =
coming from the passenger side (maybe a vaccum leak?). Any ideas how I =
can remedy this situation?
Thanks
Travis #6344
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:52:58 -0500
From: bjr@wwa.com (Billy J. Runyan)
Subject: Re: DML: Chicago Area Repair Facilities
European Auto Repair in Lake Zurich (NW suburbs of Chicago) did excellent
work on my car. He can be reached at 847-438-3600. Hope this helps.
Stay tuned...
BJR
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:06:18 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"
Subject: DML: Emergency brake --> Fixed!
Thanks for the suggestions guys!
Yes, the problem was that the cable slipped out of the bracket at the
handle.
My bracket actually bent a little, so I removed the entire assembly, and
crushed the "U" portion of it so it would grip the cable a bit tighter.
I also think this problem may be caused by uneven adjusted emergency
brake's. I had to remove the wheels to release enough slack to fix the
handle, so I re-adjusted the e-brakes. The side that popped out of the
bracket was quite a bit tighter than the other when I started. They look
about even now.
The good news: I fixed the E-Brake, took about a hour or so, and I found
60 cents under the carpet, along with some screws and stuff.. I guess
they
were left there at the factory, cause there is no place for them to go.
The bad news: One of the seat studs is rusted and stripped (I had to pull
the seat to get the e-brake unit out). and even worse (TAKE NOTE, DONT
MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE AS ME!!) I snapped 2 of the small studs on the
emergency brake handle assembly. 2 of the 3 that hold it to the floor
pan.
the other 3 are holding it OK for now..
Are the studs replaceable? or do I have to replace the whole assembly? Do
you think the 60 cents I found will cover it?! :-)
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:18:49 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"
Subject: DML: Anti Sway Bar?
Steve Writes:
>ADDCO had sway bars for the rear of the DeLOREAN. The are located in
>Lake Park, FL. Area code 561. Roland is the president.
Anyone have any experience with this? How much is it? Does it really
make
a difference? Will it work on lowered cars?
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:31:01 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"
Subject: DML: Value of Delorean Dealer Sign.
Anyone out there know what a double sided lit DMC dealer sign would be
worth?
Found a guy looking to sell it, just need a way to move it! it is 12 feet
long!
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 08:40:11 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Info on D2 from Detroit Free Press - 8/15/97
DeLorean said he was "well into the development" of a roadster, a
gullwing sports coupe and an SUV. Claimed weight on the sports car is
1450 lbs with speeds of 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and priced less than $20,000.
A production site hasn't been named though headquarters and an engineerng
facility are planned for Long Island, NY. Intro dates were not mentioned.
James
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:52:10 -0400
From: Steve Cotton
Subject: Re: DML: Water in floor
Hi Travis!
I "have" that problem on occasion also. What is happening is the drain
tube for your resevoir is clogged. What I do is just shoot some high
pressure air up in the tube and unclog it. It's located right behind
the passenger side front wheel. It hangs down freely and is about 1/2
inch thick, it's much easier to find once you know exactly where it is.
This works pretty well as long as leaves and stuff don't get down in the
vents across the front hood of the car. If you park under trees a lot
there may be a more permanent fix.
Hope you get it working.
- -Steve
Travis H. Graham wrote:
> Whenever I run my A/C, the passenger floorboard gets soaked with water
> =
> after a short time. If anyone has had this annoying problem, I would
> =
> greatly appreciate knowing how to fix it. Also, if it involves taking
> =
> the dash off, I have to do that anyway.
> Thanks.
> Travis
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:39:35 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: Emergency brake --> Fixed!
Marc Levy wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions guys!
>
> Yes, the problem was that the cable slipped out of the bracket at the
> handle.
>
> My bracket actually bent a little, so I removed the entire assembly,
> and
> crushed the "U" portion of it so it would grip the cable a bit
> tighter.
>
> I also think this problem may be caused by uneven adjusted emergency
> brake's.
>
> The bad news: One of the seat studs is rusted and stripped (I had to
> pull
> the seat to get the e-brake unit out). and even worse (TAKE NOTE,
> DONT
> MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE AS ME!!) I snapped 2 of the small studs on the
> emergency brake handle assembly. 2 of the 3 that hold it to the floor
>
> pan.
> the other 3 are holding it OK for now..
>
> Are the studs replaceable? or do I have to replace the whole
> assembly? Do
> you think the 60 cents I found will cover it?! :-)
Sounds like the same procedure that I followed to fix my E-brake.
Apparently the self-adjuster mechanisms aren't all that reliable -- mine
need to be reworked but I haven't gotten down the list to that point
yet. Fortunately, I only snapped one of the handle mounting studs,
don't know about replacements.
Bill
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 09:18:29 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: water in floor
Steve's post notwithstanding, there was a factory service bulletin about
this, specifically referring to condensation from the A/C. It involved
attaching a foam padding to the underside of the A/C in the passenger
footwell. In spite of the padding (which my car has), I still get a wet
flooe when i run the A/C for more than an hour or so. Email me if you
need details on the service bulletin.
James
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:29:42 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin
Subject: Re: DML: D2
If you want to read a lot of speculation, and more than a little arguing,
and also to plough through about a ton of other stuff, go to "DeLorean
Chat" on Dave Takeuchi's homepage (sorry, don't know the address offhand).
It's got a link to a page with a picture (artist's impression) of the
"Firestar 500" Somewhere on it.
Martin
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, donovan wrote:
> Thanks for using NetForward!
> http://www.netforward.com
> v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
>
> I am interested in any info on the rumored D2. Price, engine, etc..
>
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
James Espey
Just because it's always been done that way does not make it right.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:35:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin
Subject: Re: DML: Info on D2 from Detroit Free Press - 8/15/97
(not necessarily to post, just a point of interest) The Lambourgini
Diabolo has a 6-litre plus V12 engine, top speed of 202MPH, and 0-60 in
4sec. It is the third fastest car in the world after the XJ220 and McLaren
F1. It costs well over 100000pounds ($160000). One of the reasons why
many people, including myself, are more than a little dubious of D's
claims!!!
Martin
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, James Espey wrote:
> DeLorean said he was "well into the development" of a roadster, a
> gullwing sports coupe and an SUV. Claimed weight on the sports car is
> 1450 lbs with speeds of 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and priced less than $20,000.
> A production site hasn't been named though headquarters and an engineerng
> facility are planned for Long Island, NY. Intro dates were not mentioned.
>
> James
>
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
James Espey
Just because it's always been done that way does not make it right.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:31:58 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: E-Brake fixed, 60 cents found
Marc Levy said:
> The good news: I fixed the E-Brake, took about a hour or so, and
> I found 60 cents under the carpet, along with some screws and
> stuff.. I guess they were left there at the factory, cause there is
> no place for them to go.
Glad to hear it wasn't a broken cable after all.
Marc, Was your car made in Columbus? Typicaly, you might find
60 pence left from the DMC factory in Ireland, but not 60 cents.
Maybe your car picked it up at a QAC? I think SSI says the QACs were
"bleeding money." :-)
- - Mike Substelny
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
James Espey
Just because it's always been done that way does not make it right.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:59:35 -0700
From: Bob Benyon
Subject: DML: DOA
I have listened to lots of opinions, but now I feel its time to give my
OPINION. The DOA is a not for profit organization, not joining(or
dropping out) is not going to affect it drastically. You can quit and let
the board run it their way or stay a member and work to make changes.
With enough votes you can change the by-laws and revamp the whole
thing.This would not be easy but the DOA is in place and fixing it would
be easier than starting over(or you may find that the majority doesn't
want it fixed).The DOA is more social based while the list is more tech
based. I get alot more info of the list but I would also enjoy meeting
alot of you face to face. You need both types of organizations to get the
most out of either. The Delorean community would be better off to build
alliences rather than fences.
I'll read your coments on the list and hopefully meet some of you in
Snowmass.
Bob Benyon
Vin 3583,2781,1771
DOA 5117 DMC 18 DML ? ( still proud to be a member of all these for
now)
James Espey
Just because it's always been done that way does not make it right.
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:07:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: Rear Sway Bars
Joe Steuben,
I have a source for a Delorean anti-sway bar. In fact, I have a Delorean
anti-sway bar but I haven't installed it yet. I bought the bar from Fred
Lockett for $200 including S&H however I have been reluctant to install it
because 1) it would modify the car from the original factory condition and
I'm not sure how far I want to go with modifications and 2) the bar is the
same diameter as the front anti-sway bar so I am not sure how much of a
difference it would make. Looking at the design of the car, I am pretty
sure
the front anti-sway bar is not there to prevent sway as much as it is to
serve as a tension strut (to provide strength for the lower control arms
from
bending back at roadway speeds). Tension struts were not put on because
with
the Delorean frame, it would be hard to mount and it would probably just
rip
the front crumple tubes off. Instead, it appears they just connected the
struts and put in a sway bar instead.
Looking at the Renault GTA, which has a similar design to the Delorean
(pictured in Delorean Gold), the rear sway bar uses a sway bar in the rear
which is roughly double the diameter as the front one. Therefore I have
been
reluctant to spend the money and modify the car before I talk with
somebody
else who has had this done.
Steve Shortz: Is the sway bar offered by ADDCO a larger size or the same
size than the DMC's front?
Matt
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 21:33:23 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: Ground Effects
Does anyone have custom ground effects installed on their car ?
I have seen a picture or 2 of cars that do and have decided to
put some on my car. I will probably fabricate them using fiber-glass
but it would be nice if there was a place to get them already made
or if someone already had the pattern. ?????
- -Brandon
bsmoody@kih.net
1974 Bricklin SV-1 1983 Delorean DMC-12
1993 Ford Taurus SHO 19 ?? ????? ?????
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 07:27:22 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: ADMIN NOTE - Possible mail problem
Upgraded my mail software yesterday and may have lost a couple postings
from last night. If you sent to me or the list and did not receive a
reply or see your message posted, please re-send. Thanks!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:35 -0800
From: "donovan"
Subject: DML: DOOR DINGS & STARTING PROBLEMS
I have two dime sized door dings on my driver's side on the panel in
front of the rear wheel. Can this be fixed by conventional means?
What is something like that gonna run me? I have that same starting
problem that many have. Starts when cold, starts if I stop for gas,
etc, wont start if I'm parked for an hour or so. My car is an early
'81. From what I have read I need an "accumulator" and a "fuel
pump
valve". Anybody know how to fix my problem, what parts I need (part
numbers) and costs?
Thanks,
Donovan
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:02:22 -0500
From: edraffenetti@juno.com (Edward Raffenetti)
Subject: DML: Questions
Just wondering, what were the VINs for the Gold Ds? Does JZD still own a
Delorean/s, or any other cars like the GTO? How many Ds were used in
BTTF? What were their VINs? (They are obviously in a museum, or Planet
Hollywood somewhere. Did the BTTF crew really destroy a Delorean in the
last part of BTTF3?
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:29:40 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT"
Subject: Re: DML: D2
The Firestar 500 Was supposed to be the "next" DeLorean back in the mid
80's. The picture that you have sen on Duke's DeLorean page is at least 6
years old and doesn't relate to the new D2
Michael Babb
- ----------
> From: Martin
> To: dmcnews@world.std.com
> Subject: Re: DML: D2
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 2:29 PM
>
> If you want to read a lot of speculation, and more than a little arguing,
> and also to plough through about a ton of other stuff, go to "DeLorean
> Chat" on Dave Takeuchi's homepage (sorry, don't know the address
offhand).
>
> It's got a link to a page with a picture (artist's impression) of the
> "Firestar 500" Somewhere on it.
>
> Martin
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, donovan wrote:
>
> > Thanks for using NetForward!
> > http://www.netforward.com
> > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
> >
> > I am interested in any info on the rumored D2. Price, engine,
etc..
> >
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:01:32 -0400
From: Dan Baisley
Subject: Re: DML: D2
At 03:29 PM 8/22/97 -0400, Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT wrote:
>The Firestar 500 Was supposed to be the "next" DeLorean back in the mid
>80's. The picture that you have sen on Duke's DeLorean page is at least 6
>years old and doesn't relate to the new D2
>
It's even older than that. The Firestar pic is from the January 1986 Issue
of Motor Trend.
You can't tell from Duke's picture, but the Firestar 500 looks just like a
Vector W-8. Also, did you know that the Ferrari F-40 got several of it's
styling features from the Firestar 500 concept drawing? Look at the
tailpipe
and spoiler. Check out
http://patent.womplex.ibm.com/details?patent_number=D306274
If anyone want's a higher resolution scan of the Firestar 500 pic, e-mail
me.
__
If life is going to exist in a Universe of this size, then the
one thing it cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion.
__
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Date: 08/22 4:09 PM
From: Jay Steinberg@world.std.com, jay@major-media.com
Subject: DML: DeLorean Midwest Connection Event Schedule
In my role as publications director for the Delorean Midwest Connection,
below is the events schedule. Don Gowler requested I send this to you.
Best regards, Jay Steinberg
September 7 British Car Show Des Plaines Club Event
Your chance to show your car and participate in concourse judging!
The British Car Union is hosting their 11th Annual British Car Festival
at Oakton Community College. Activities include a swap meet, peoples
choice awards and Delorean Concours judging. British and American food is
available. Many prizes are given away to
pre-registrants. If you want your car judged, you must pre-register with
the Delorean Midwest Connection by August 29. Contact Gail or Bob
Brandys (630) 325-2083 for more details.
Sept. 13-14 Virginia British Car Days Sandston, VA
The Delorean Virginia Club are inviting all Delorean enthusiasts to their
13th Annual British Car Days. Activities will include a road rally,
vendor displays, tech sessions, judging, a party in the Virginia Aviation
Museum with live music by the Kings of Swing.
Contact Gail Brandys (630) 325-2083 for more details.
Sept. 20 Fall Technical Session Naperville/Aurora Club Event
Don Steger will fly in and provide expert service and advice for your
Delorean. You must pre-register for this event if you want work done to
your car. There is a $15 facility-use fee and a $15/hr fee for Don's
time to work on your car. Please contact Don Gowler to schedule your
time, pre-order parts, or for more information.
Sept. 26-28 Classic Car Poker Ralley Lake Geneva, WI
The 20th Annual Classic Car Poker Rally will be held at the Interlaken
Resort. Rally encompasses two days in the Lake Geneva area and draws
over 800 classic, antique and special interest vehicles. Lots of other
activities. Proceeds benefit the American Cancer Society. Contact Gail
Brandys (630) 325-2083 for more details.
Oct. 4-5 Fall Colors Tour Spring Green, WI Club Event
Interested Delorean owners are invited to participate in a two day tour
of the fall colors in southwest Wisconsin, the Frank Lloyd Wright
historical park and the House on the Rock. Contact Gail Brandys (630)
325-2083 for more details.
Oct. 25 BTTF Ribfest Hinsdale Club Event
The long awaited "Delorean Time Machine" will be on display during the
BTTF Ribfest - complete with flux capacitor, time circuits and "Mr.
Fusion." The Delorean also includes modified windows, an aluminum V-8
engine and many other customized features. Pot luck BBQ at the Brandys
residence will feature Bob's "soon-to-be-famous" ribs.
Contact Gail Brandys (630) 325-2083 for more details.
December 6 Holiday Dinner TBA Club Event
The Delorean Midwest Connection will host its annual holiday dinner on
Saturday,
December 6th. We will be collecting wrapped, new toys (under $20) to
donate to a
local children's charity. Contact Gail Brandys (630) 325-2083 for more
details.
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