Friday, August 21 1998 Volume 03 : Number 403
In this issue:
DML: RE: Re: Not So Cool!
Re: DML: Wrecked D for sale
RE: DML: DMC in TV
DeLorean in Wedding Singer (was Re: DML: DMC in TV)
DML: Re: DeLorean Toys found at FleaMarket!
Re: DML: Re: Frame
DML: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
DML: RE: RE: Re: Not so cool!
DML: More Bugs
Re: DML: Re: Delorean rims, dash lights, and mags
DML: 140 Speedos
DML: Idle/Overheating problems
DML: Re: More Bugs
DML: Re: Not so cool!
Re: DML: tires
DML: Re: Paint Type/Color
DML: Not so cool!
DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
DML: Corrections to Factory Parts Manual
Re: DML: Re: Not so cool!
Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
DML: Loose Shock
DML: TWO DE LOREANS AT AUBURN 98 COLLECTOR CAR AUCTION
DML: Re: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
Re: DML: Not So Cool!
DML: Re: More Bugs
DML: Re: Idle/Overheating problems
DML: Re: Roof Light + Door Switch
DML: Re: Re: Delorean rims, dash lights, and mags
Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
Re: DML: Re: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
Re: DML: TWO DE LOREANS AT AUBURN 98 COLLECTOR CAR AUCTION
Re: DML: Two De Leloreans at Auburn 98 Collector Car Auction
DML: Deloreans in Settlement
DML: Buying a DeLorean
DML: Antennas
DML: keys
Re: DML: tires
Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Re: DML: Support DMCnews
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:38:17 -0600 From: "Aaron Barrus" <asbarrus(AT)novell.com> Subject: DML: RE: Re: Not So Cool!
With all the talk of A/C conversions, I can't help but add my own comments = since I've played with different ideas. I have seen r134 conversions, and = none offer satisfactory results. It will cause your a/c to work twice as = hard and produce inferior results. New cars that are built with r134 from = the factory still aren't nearly as competent as our old r12 systems.
When r12 first became restricted, I took the a/c certification test (now = it's only $20, and can be taken over the internet. I have more info if = anybody is interested). I bought an r12 substitute which actually = outperforms r12 and it's given me great results for years.
It's true that many r12 substitues contain butane, the one I use contains = 2%. This is mainly for lubrication. Butane alone will ignite, but as a = mixture of 2% it is completely non flammable. The problem can arise if = you have a leaky system. The lighter components will leak out of the a/c, = leaving the butane behind. Then if you "top off" constantly, the = percentage of butane increases, and eventually does become flammable = (after about 10 refills). Of course, a proper system shouldn't need = constant topping off. Additionally, if after a few years it has become = nessisary a few times, the system can be drained and refilled to avoid the = problem. Or use a substitute that doesn't contain butane - there are = plenty available. This is still cheaper than R12, and a heck of a lot = COLDer than r134. My "low side" pipe has icecles on it, and my vent temps = are mid 30's on a 100 degree day sitting in the sun!
Aaron
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 9:31:14 -0600 From: Greg Guillot <gguillot(AT)mccno.com> Subject: Re: DML: Wrecked D for sale
The owner of the car will sell for no less than $3500.00. I told him that I was quoted $2500.00, but he said he didn't know where I got that figure from. There are a lot of good parts on the car, but for what I need, I can't justify spending $3500.00, plus the taxes, and the $150.00 bucks to have the car hauled to a storage area. It might be worth it if there are some folks out there who need a complete engine, set of rims, windshield, door, rear quarter panel, etc. If these parts are sold for half (or less) than new, it might total up enough to make it worthwhile for me to go through the trouble of purchasing, moving, disassembling, and shipping the parts. I would have to have committments from enough people, though. If enough people are interested, I will go back and photograph the car and place the pictures on the web. Then, if enough folks want the parts and are willing to commit to it, I might go through the trouble of purchasing it.
Greg Guillot VIN #2926 - ------------------------------- On 18 Aug 98 at 16:01, steve r wrote:
> Greg, you did mention that it is worth $3,500 in its current condition. > Is the man still asking $2,500 for it or did he get gready and go up on > the price? > > Greg Guillot wrote: > > > Over the weekend, I had a chance to take a look at a wrecked D, (VIN > > #1205 - Automatic, black int., gas flap) that was mentioned by Steven > > Rice on the List several days ago. > (SNIP) > > I had thought about buying the car myself and parting it out, but > > only if I could recoup my costs quickly. If you are interested in any > > part of this car, let me know and I can tell you whether or not I > > think the part is salvageable. > > > > Greg Guillot > > VIN #2926
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:26:09 -0400 From: "Laflotte, Duane" <dlaflott(AT)Valinor.com> Subject: RE: DML: DMC in TV
Isnt the Delorean in the Wedding singer also?
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:00:57 -0400 From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com> Subject: DeLorean in Wedding Singer (was Re: DML: DMC in TV)
Yes it is. I captured the video of the door opening. It had a big bold stripe on it, and a very good working stero. It was called a fancy car. And the rich owner was telling his fiance not to puke in the car.
Sean
Laflotte, Duane wrote:
> Isnt the Delorean in the Wedding singer also?
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:17:24 -0500 From: "time(AT)traveller.com" <time(AT)traveller.com> Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Toys found at FleaMarket!
A picture of the unusual DeLorean "Space Patrol" toy car Shannon Yocom described is now posted on BTTF.COM if anyone wants to see what it looks like. Thanks!
http://www.bttf.com/catalog/superdmc.jpg
To Be Continued...
Stephen M. Clark, Fan Club Representative Back to the Future=99...The Fan Club P.O. Box 880 Athens, AL 35612-0880 U.S.A. Phone/Fax: (256) 757-7979 E-mail: time(AT)traveller.com Web Site: http://www.bttf.com/ _________________________________________________________________________
"Is this the '50s, or 1999?" FutureFest '99 -- Hill Valley's first BTTF Convention is coming! http://www.bttf.com/futurefest/
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:24:09 EDT From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re: Frame
Folks,
Mr. Lee Seiler is a professional (technician or better?) and is not giving all the details on the arts and craft besides the technical approach in doing a welding job. He has his certification on this subject!
Welding is easy once you bet the "hang of it." Safety precaution is a must. As professional technician like myself, the precautions from industry and other safety standards are "known." It was part of our training in our earlier years of in these fields and related areas. If you were trained in this area, you too would know and not ask the "precaution or preparations" stages before do a welding procedure. Many of you are laymen and expect down to the detail in performing these projects. ALL precautions are already known before proceeding such an operation.
All welding job on a DeLorean for frame work should be done with the body, engine and fuel tank removed from the CHASSIS. If you have that much rust or extensive damage, treat it as a big time project, don't approach it as a "paste along" project.
Wrong precaution with welding? Heard of the "learn by burn" line? That will occur during welding. After welding the "new" areas, how is the "worthiness" of the welded areas? In other words, welding that is "correct" welding, or "chicken sh*t" welding? I have seen welding jobs done buy quote "professionals." Certifiable work? Forget about it. Anyway, you get the message.
Kayo Ong #05508 Lic 9D NY
This welding project is a little deep for those of you who never have experience in this area. For those who knows with facilities and equipments, it is easy, for those who lacks, it is not and possibly dangerous.
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:09:32 -0400 From: Jack Stiefel <DMC-FLUX(AT)geocities.com> Subject: DML: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
I too have the 170 MPH speedo, from Rob Grady though. I have seen no = difference from the old one. It is very accurate and looks good to = boot. I was considering the 140 for a time, but my last car show = changed my mind. At a local show I was surrounded by several kids who = wanted to look in my car. They were amazed when I told them they could = sit in it as well. The last one in was a younger kid ( maybe 7 or 8). = While looking the car over he noticed the old 85 MPH speedo and asked = "is that all the faster it will go, that's pretty slow." Right then and = there my ego blasted through and decided to buy the higher one, mostly = for looks. =20
Just my thoughts though.
John L. Stiefel, II DMC Vin: #3461 Licence: Flux1 Visit my site at http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:49:38 -0700 From: "Dennis Chang" <dennis(AT)myriad-solutions.com> Subject: DML: RE: RE: Re: Not so cool!
Richard:
>system was empty so I couldn't tell where the leak >was. I imagine that >about the best solution will be to put a vacuum >pump on the system. I'll >have to evacuate it anyway. Any other suggestions >are welcome (as long as >they are of reasonable cost).
Better be a strong vacuum pump to test for leaks. Because of the high temps and high pressures that the R12 may be under when the leak occurs, the hole/gap may not be revealed by the vacuum test, which probably will be at much lower pressures.
I don't know what an AC guy would recommend here, but I do know that vacuum testing has its limitations. Maybe they would just use highly compressed air...
Dennis Chang
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:54:57 -0400 From: "yugoman" <mdrig(AT)email.msn.com> Subject: DML: More Bugs
My windows go down but have to pop the cap off and use a pen to raise them.Do any suppliers have new switches? Also I have the battery cover off, all the surrounding plywood appears solid. Does the fanzilla go somewhere in this area, or am I looking in the wrong place? Also is there any way to cut a door key without destroyind the little ring around the lock? My car only has an ignition switch:( Thanks for the help, I'm sure there'll be more bugs to come......
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:02:47 EDT From: SoundKillr(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re: Delorean rims, dash lights, and mags
In a message dated 8/19/98 2:00:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chip(AT)koan.com writes:
<< was looking around through the pictures from the show in Cincinatti and finally noticed how shiny and new everybodys rims looked. mine are in excellent shape but i think they need to be cleaned. bad. cause they're dark! does anybody know the best way to clean these things? >> Early cars came with dark grey wheels as later cars came with lighter wheels......It sounds like you have an early car....and your wheels are supposed to be dark grey
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:19:42 EDT From: WINGD2(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: 140 Speedos
James was correct in his explanation of the re-calibration of the Delorean speedo. The speedo cable from the angle drive unit on the left front wheel drives, or rotates, two things inside the speedo. One is a set of gears, which are different in the MPH unit vs the KMH unit. All these gears do is turn the odometer and trip meter drums over to display milage. The MPH speedo records miles and the KMH speedo records kilometers, thus the different gearing. These gears have nothing to do with the turning of the speedo needle, and thus nothing to do with speed calibration.
The second thing the cable rotates is a little arm with magnets at both ends. This arm rotates inside, but does not touch, a drum type unit. On the other side of this drum is attached a very small wire pin which projects thru the speedo face plate. The speedo needle is pushed onto this wire pin and moves as the drum moves. Movement of this drum and it's attached needle is done by the magnetic field created as the magnets spin on the end of the speedo cable inside the drum. If the speedo cable was attached either directly or with gears to the speedo needle, the speedo needle would go around and around the same as the cable does. This drum also has a big "watch " type spring attached to it which returns the needle towards zero as the speedo cable slows down.
Calibration of this speedometer is accomplished by adjusting the strength of the magnets in relation to the drum and return spring. This is where a special machine is required at a speedo shop. By going thru all the math involving tire sizes, angle gear drive reduction, cable speed, etc. I've been able to determine the correct calibration information required to reset the speedo to the new 140mph faces. ( This info is included in the instructions, so you can give it to the people who do your calibration. ) The calibration is performed and adjusted until the speedo reads accurately across it's entire range. It is normally checked for accuracy at 20 - 30 mph increments.
After having done over a dozen of these conversions, we have found that the Delorean speedo is built such that this re-calibration is easily accomplished and well within the range of the stock speedo parts. We have only had to replace the return spring in one unit ( with a different rate spring ) ,and it really appeared to be due to age and fatigue of the old spring. I have converted a couple of NEW 85mph Speedos ( zero miles ) and found both units to be very easy to do and accurate.
Joe, send me your shipping address and I'll be happy to send a sample 140 face for you to try. Marty
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:38:50 -0000 From: Rodney E Jenkins <dmc1226(AT)mindspring.com> Subject: DML: Idle/Overheating problems
Hi,
This email is for my sister in law. She has a Delorean that has had many problems. She would like technical information on the car and also do you recommend anyone in the Jacksonville Florida area that has experience and knowledge to work on her Delorean. Also, do you have any back issues regarding ruff idling and over heating. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Her address is Rose Iturra, 8275 Coralberry Lane, Jacksonville FL 32244. Or you can email me back at dmc1226(AT)mindspring.com.
Thanks, Rodney Jenkins
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:32:42 -0400 From: "yugoman" <mdrig(AT)email.msn.com> Subject: DML: Re: More Bugs
Forgot the main question on my last post! Car still has a high, uneven (surging) idle. I believe someone posted a similar problem a while back, and said they reduced the idle speed and it cleared up. How do I adjust the idle speed? Car is an automatic. Thanks!!
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:18:59 -0400 From: Cirillo Ronald A NUWCDIVNPT <CirilloRA(AT)code80.npt.nuwc.navy.mil> Subject: DML: Re: Not so cool!
Dennis,
I can tell you for sure that a vacuum test will not necessarily find your leak. I have had a few systems that have held vacuum all night but would leak when the system is pressurized. I have made an adapter that allows me to pressurize the system to approximately 100 psi and I have never failed to find a leak using this method. A word of caution about doing this. The introduction of air can bring contaminates into the system and you could end up with a bigger problem than you started with. I use an oil less compressor to perform this task. After I have found and fixed the leak, I evacuate the system for an hour. This is to insure that all water vapor (from the humidity in the air) has boiled off. I have never encountered a problem in using this method. Every system that I have fixed has functioned perfectly.
Ron
> ---------- > > Richard: > > >system was empty so I couldn't tell where the leak >was. I imagine that > >about the best solution will be to put a vacuum >pump on the system. I'll > >have to evacuate it anyway. Any other suggestions >are welcome (as long as > >they are of reasonable cost). > > Better be a strong vacuum pump to test for leaks. Because of the > high temps and high pressures that the R12 may be under when > the leak occurs, the hole/gap may not be revealed by the vacuum > test, which probably will be at much lower pressures. > > I don't know what an AC guy would recommend here, but I do know > that vacuum testing has its limitations. Maybe they would just use > highly compressed air... > > Dennis Chang
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:17:26 EDT From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: tires
To everyone that I promised a response,
This is about my Pirelli P600 tires. It started out when I was in dire need for a set of tires. Some time back in late May there were postings by me about tires. My Dunlops were prematurely worn due to a bad hub. I need a set of replacement tires to go to the Cincinnati Meet back in June 12 to 14 of 1998. There were many postings to help out in search with many suggestions on different tires from different manufactures.
There were none available in the correct size, the speed rating or the same brand for the fronts and rears. They had either front or rears, no matching sets!
I was at first in the market for Yokohamas, of any model they made. I searched across the country and none was available. Working with the Tire Rack company and then with the USA distributor of Yokohama's turned out to be fruitless.
One company in NYC where I lived did happen to find the right "correct" sizes, the speed rating and match fronts and rears for the DeLorean. They were the Pirellis P600s.
I have them on my DeLorean for the last 90 days and I have over 4,000 miles on them. I even went to the Cincinnati meet on them. They were great going from NYC to Cincinnati and back. It rained -- it rained hard traveling to the meet one night. They were good in the rain. Speaking about rain? It rained hard at the meet one night. Remembered the rain at the meet?
Except for snow (no snow yet), they are doing a fantastic job. Much, better then the Goodyear's NTCs that I had previous. They were much, much better then the Dunlops that they did replaced. The Pirellis are excellent on high speeds -- best yet. They are smooth. Not much road noise. Good on handling. Good on fast small or large turns. Good on raining wet roads (what a difference from the others tires, no more white knuckles) and they have sticking and stopping abilities, wet or dry! No more shimming from the front and or vibrations all around.
The Dunlops always had vibrations no matter how many times I balanced them dynamic or otherwise. No more vibrations, that alone is worth all the money spent. I recommend the Pirellis due to my experiences over the Goodyear NTCs and Dunlops that I had on my DeLorean. I have not had the pleasure to have the Yokohamas on my DeLorean. Until I do, Pirellis is the best over the Goodyear's NTC and Dunlops. It was like driving a new DeLorean with the Pirellis -- NEW FEELING TO AN OLD CAR!
So those of you whom I promise to posted my findings, there you have it and THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN HELPING ME WITH INFO AND YOUR EXPERIENCES POSTED.
Kayo Ong #05508 LIc 9D NY
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:46:20 -0400 From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Paint Type/Color
Brad, The paint your looking for is Krylon Semi-Flat Black. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:38:01 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: DML: Not so cool!
If I remember correctly, the freon leaked out pretty quickly, and could be heard leaking. If the leak is that bad, it is most likely one of the O rings.
Try pulling vacuum, and listen for hissing at all of the joints. If you find the leaking one, fix it and pull vacuum again. If it looks like it is fixed, let it sit for 30 mins or so, and make sure the vacuum level remains constant. If it does, you should be OK.
If you cant find the leak with this method, you will need to bring it in to a mechanic with the proper tools to find leaks. Normally what they do is pump a very small amount of freon in to the system, and use a electronic sniffer to find the leak. If the leak is still too small to be detected, they will charge the system and add a small amount of dye. Run the system for a day or so, and then look for the dye with a black light. I don't think the dye will be necessary in your case because the leak was fast.
If you do find a bad O ring, you may want to go ahead and replace all of them with the newer R134a rings. Even though you are sticking with R-12, the R134a rings are designed to hold more pressure.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:21:07 -0400 From: John Heflin <john(AT)compusnet.com> Subject: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
Never believe this book!! I have something to say about that book, I recieved it for a gift, but was VERY disapointed at the the comments made about the DeLorean. It looks to me like the author went from an opinon (and not a very good one at that). Comments like: "Today it's known as one of the car industry's greatest failures, on par with Ford's Edsel" "As for the hapless souls that bought the cars" "windows that 'fell' out to doors that leaked and didn't close properly"
"1970's STYLING: By the time of it's launch in 1979 (haha right) the DeLorean was old before its time. '70 styling motifs abound, like the slatted rear window (oh come on now) and cubed rear lights (jeez I love the way the rear of the car looks!)
About5 the only spoton the 2 pages where this guy didn't insult the car was under "SPECIFICATIONS" but even there info was wrong, "1979-82" and "production 6,500"
Anybody have this book mine is smudged where the vin plate is and cant make it out (I'd like to know the #). I wonder who put the car up for the photos?
Sorry for the lateness of this reply, I'm on the digest thanks for any info on the subject John Heflin VIN: Was almost 6078....sighhhhhhhh, lookin for another.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 11:30:51 -0700 From: DeLorean Motor Company <parts(AT)usadmc.com> Subject: DML: Corrections to Factory Parts Manual
As part of our acquisition of the DeLorean parts warehouse in Columbus, we are completely revising the factory DeLorean Parts Manual to reflect the many errors, superseded part numbers and the like. We are now in the final proofing process and are asking that any of the readers of the DeLorean Mailing List that have any personal knowledge of errors/omissions in the Manual please use the report form below and email or fax it to us.
See you in Los Angeles at Expo '98!
Stephen Wynne DeLorean Motor Company 10804 Roark Road Houston, TX 77099
(800) USA-DMC1 (281) 568-9573 Voice (281) 568-9386 Fax Email: info(AT)usadmc.com
- -------------------------------- Please indicate the nature of your report
C - Correction to parts manual A - Addition to parts manual 0 - Other change to parts manual
Section in question (ie 5-1-1):
Detailed description of your reported error:
Thanks for your assistance! Please mail or fax this form to us. Email and faxing instructions are below:
Email: parts(AT)usadmc.com Fax: (281) 568-9386 - -------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:22:16 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Not so cool!
I would recommend NOT using compressed air to do this. I have seen other gases used, but most will tell you not to use air. Compressed air will force moisture in to the system.. Even though a proper evacuation will take out some of the water, it will never get it all out....
Cirillo Ronald A NUWCDIVNPT wrote: > > Dennis, > > I can tell you for sure that a vacuum test will not necessarily > find your leak. I have had a few systems that have held vacuum all > night but would leak when the system is pressurized. I have made an > adapter that allows me to pressurize the system to approximately 100 psi > and I have never failed to find a leak using this method. A word of > caution about doing this. The introduction of air can bring > contaminates into the system and you could end up with a bigger problem > than you started with. I use an oil less compressor to perform this > task. After I have found and fixed the leak, I evacuate the system for > an hour. This is to insure that all water vapor (from the humidity in > the air) has boiled off. I have never encountered a problem in using > this method. Every system that I have fixed has functioned perfectly.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 03:35:49 +0100 From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is(AT)connect-2.co.uk> Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
John Heflin wrote:
> "Today it's known as one of the car industry's greatest failures, on par > with Ford's Edsel"
There was an article in the paper the other day about the Edsel. 10 times more were made than DeLoreans.
Martin
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:32:14 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Loose Shock
Today, I heard a metallic clunk in the front end whenever I would hit a bump.
It turns out that one of the bell washers for the front upper shock mount had split and fell out. Both nuts were still on the shock and the bushing was split. I installed these shocks about 3 thousand miles ago. I was able to get a close substitute at the local Big 10 tire store for a temporary repair.
Steve Wynne in Houston is sending me replacement parts since I had purchased the shocks from him. I call that good customer service.
http://www.usadmc.com/
It does pay to buy your parts from a reputable source.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:09:04 -0400 From: Aldo.Buono(AT)phila.gov Subject: DML: TWO DE LOREANS AT AUBURN 98 COLLECTOR CAR AUCTION
I just got the sales catalog of this annual auction extravaganza
in Auburn, Indiana, September 2-8, 1998.
Lot # 3249
1981 Red Painted De Lorean, 5-speed, pictured on page 69.
I think this car has been at regional conventions.
All of the usual equipment on the car.
Lot #3267
1981 Stainless De Lorean, automatic, 265 miles, with original
window sticker still on the window!!!
Not pictured in sales catalog.
No additional information is available from Kruse International,
the auctioneers.
If anyone goes to the auction, please let us know what happens to
these two De Loreans.
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
VIN 1440
DOC #14
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:41:04 -0400 From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
Jack, I know what you mean about reactions to the 85mph. speedo. I did a cosmetic change for our DeLorean which we rent out for cooperate shows, the speedo goes to 200mph., that draws some real attention. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:53:10 -0400 From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: DML: Not So Cool!
Richard, Check the hoses where they leave the engine compartment and go under the body, at that point there is a sharp edge on the fiberglass black body that can slowly cut into one of the hoses. I have seen this on many D's including my own. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:48:27 -0400 From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: More Bugs
Window switches are available from DeLorean part suppliers. The Fanzilla installs in your electrical compartment which is under the parcel shelf behind the passenger seat. There are some locksmith's than can cut a key without removing the lock cylinder, they will need a Taylor key blank to match the DeLorean style key. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:19:05 -0400 From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Idle/Overheating problems
Rodney, It just so happens that my son, who has a house in JaxFL, just moved here to Atlanta GA to join me in my DeLorean Business. According to the last DeLorean Owners Association Service Directory, which we have been members of since 1984, there are three repair facilities listed in Jax. that might be able to help your sister-in-law with her DeLorean. Unfortunately we have no data on their reliability but here is the information as listed: Berghoefer Auto Serv.(Dave) 904 292-3994, Certified Auto (Wade Anderson) 904 744-7877, and Complete Import Serv. (Frank) 904 731-3924. We are a DeLorean's only! service facility and information clearing house. If you or your sister-in-law have any specific questions just e-mail us and we would be glad to supply any information. You asked about back issues for overheating and rough idling, were you talking DeLorean World Magazine or another publication. We have a data base on all service information dating back to 1981. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:06:57 -0400 From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Roof Light + Door Switch
Orlando, You mentioned looking at the parts manual to see how to remove the interior lamp, unfortunately the picture has no detail. Go to your workshop manual M:11:03 Fig.43, you'll see two push tabs on the right hand side of the fixture. Push those tabs in with a small screwdriver and the fixture will easily drop out. Depending how the fixture was last installed will determine weather the tabs are on the right or left. Many of these items have become brittle over the years an the tabs may break when you try to remove it; not a problem, new units are inexpensive and available. It appears that another list member has accurately informed you about the door switches. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:21:41 -0400 From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Re: Delorean rims, dash lights, and mags
Chip, The power going to your clock and panel lights must go through several connections on its way to its final destination. Here's the route. 12v from your battery goes to fuse No. 8 from there it travels to all of the right hand side parking lights. The feed than travels through your center console and stops at the panel light dimmer, from there it goes through the headlight switch and the hazard switch and finally ends up at the clock. Based on your description there is no power in this circuit. Here's how to find out; turn on your parking lights and see if the headlight switch and hazard switches are illuminated. You will probably want to do this in a darkened area to more clearly see these lights. If these lights are off you have no power in the circuit; let me know what you find. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 11:44:15 -0700 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
On 8/20/98 8:21 AM, John Heflin shared these fine thoughts...
>Anybody have this book mine is smudged where the vin plate is and cant >make it out (I'd like to know the #). I wonder who put the car up for >the photos?
Look in theback at the index/credits section, I believe it credits Dave Howarth with the DeLorean photos. Dave is very active in the UK and I think he's very knowledgeable about the car so I can't believe the author got those "facts" from him...
James
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:51:00 +0100 From: Pete.J.Smith(AT)ps.net Subject: Re: DML: Re: RE: 170 MPH Speedometer
Can you imagine a Delorean that does 200mph.. Yeash!! :-)
Just thought I'd add that while i was in Naples Florida back in 95,
i
saw a D parked up near an car forecourt. I was there looking at the
cost of shipping to the UK for another car. It had just stopped
raining and the D was gleaming. It looked to me like it was an
everyday car for someone - unfortunately i couldn't find the owner
to
find out more. I have some photo's which i might scan if i get
time.
I also saw a D parked near a scrap yard in West Drayton (London UK)
- -
I thought it was going to be scrapped so i went and had a look
around
it. It was a left hand drive - gray leather - auto which was
lacking
TLC. The next day i went back to see if i could find someone to get
more information about it and it had gone - I guess it wasn't scrap
after all (no offence if the owner is on the list)
Pete
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:22:00 +0100 From: Pete.J.Smith(AT)ps.net Subject: Re: DML: TWO DE LOREANS AT AUBURN 98 COLLECTOR CAR AUCTION
If anyone is interested you can see a picture of the Red one at this
page. There's not realy anymore information on this page either.
http://www.kruseinternational.com/auctions/AUBFALL98/3.htm#DELOREAN
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:24:06 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: Re: DML: Two De Leloreans at Auburn 98 Collector Car Auction
Aldo Buono said: > I just got the sales catalog of this annual auction extravaganza > in Auburn, Indiana, September 2-8, 1998.
This extraviganza is a lot more than an auction. I try to go to the Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg Festival, at which that auction is held, every chance I get. Unfortunately, the last few DOA Expos have been on the same weekend and for me the Expo is a higher priority.
I did make it to the festival and auction in 1997. They auctioned off some incredible automobiles and memorabilia, including an original DeLorean dealer's sign in excellent condition. I do not know the buyer or the price, but I snapped a picture of it before it went to the block. I will try to remember to bring the picture to LA.
For anyone who can't make it to the Expo this year, I highly recommend the A-C-D festival as a cheap alternative event. It's car collector heaven! The Saturday afternoon parade may be the most beautiful all-automobile parade in the world. For information, look here:
http://www.acdfestival.org/index.html
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:48:47 -0400 From: Jack Stiefel <DMC-FLUX(AT)geocities.com> Subject: DML: Deloreans in Settlement
WOW this one caught my eye.
In the evenings local newspaper, there was an article about a woman who = during the years of 1984-1988 bought with her boyfriend 5 DeLoreans and = a 6th in parts with the hopes of making lots of money 10 years later. = Well it is later and they broke up. In the settlement she was awarded = all the cars. I am attempting to contact her this evening in the hopes = of learning more about it.
The article goes on to give a brief blurb on the "defunct" DeLorean = Motor Company and its founder.
BTW she said the value of the 6 cars today was about $280,000.00 - yes = this is correct, no typos.
Just a little bit of info for the masses John L. Stiefel, II DMC Vin: #3461 Licence: Flux1 Visit my site at http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:51:31 -0500 From: "Neros" <neros(AT)megsinet.net> Subject: DML: Buying a DeLorean
Hello guys. I am new to DeLoreans and to the DML. I was on the Web a few days ago when I came across a DeLorean pic, and I suddenly remembered how much I'd been in love with them ever since the days of Back to the Future. :) That day, I did a LOT of research on the car, but still I have some questions. I would appreciate any answers you can give me.
#1) I want to get a DeLorean, but I won't have the money for another, say, 2 years or so. :( Will they still be available by then, do you guys think? #2) And if so, in what condition? #3) And how much would the price be (vague estimates)? #4) What are some of the common problems of the DeLorean, and how can they be fixed? #5) How much does it usually cost to fix these problems? #6) If and when I do start looking for a DeLorean to call my very own, what should I look for? #7) Should I look maybe for something cheap and requiring a lot of fixing, or maybe something more expensive that is in slightly better condition? I don't get paid a whole lot, so I want to keep my costs down. And... #8) Is it still reasonably easy to find parts for the DeLorean around?
Now I'm done with my flood of questions. :) Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this; I'd prefer email responses at the moment, since I'm not too good at sorting sense out of the DML yet. I'm sure I'll get better with time, though. :) Goodbye, and thanks again. Mike
"Of all the things I've lost, I think I miss my mind the most..." "I let my mind wander one day...and it never came back." "Neros" on IRC ICQ #8884529
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:46:20 EDT From: Phillip124(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Antennas
Can someone please tell me the VIN #s where the antenna styles changed? I have VIN # 7134 and it has the antenna on the front fender. Is this right? There is no evidence that there was ever an electric antenna on the rear.
Phillip
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:53:03 -0500 From: superfly(AT)superspice.ml.org Subject: DML: keys
Hi...I'm quite new to the list and have a quick question...
Does anyone know where to get DMC keys either original or remade keys...it doesn't really matter which one..they would have to be uncut of course...
if you have any input I would greatly appreciate it...
thanks for the time
Josh
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:21:56 -0400 From: "Joe LoRe'" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: DML: tires
Kayo, Thanks for sharing your experience with the Pirelli P600, I haven't seen many of these. It is very re-assuring to know we have another choice. Tires are seasonal and there are times when certain sizes are in short supply, you recent troubles in trying to find a matching set of Yoko's is a good example. Thanks. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:18:40 -0500 From: steve r <stephenr(AT)net-2000.net> Subject: Re: DML: Buying a DeLorean
I hate to sound like I am trying to burst your bubble but I felt the same way about D's when I first discovered them on the internet.
A DeLorean really doesn't make the greatest car if you want an affordable daily driver. I called the insurance company and the prices for full coverage are beyond belief.
If you want a D I suggest you look into getting one as a second car. You shouldn't try to rely on a D as your primary means of transportation.
I was going to get myself a cheap car for wile I am still in high school but I decided to put off getting a car so I can save enough money to eventually get a D as a project car.
Many people get parade insurance on there D's and drive them only on weekends. Parade insurance is a type of insurance that limits the amount of miles you drive and requires that you show it in a few public events.
Once I am able to get a D I hope that I will be able to afford the insurance by the time it is ready to drive. If I were you I would not try to use a D as a daily driver because of maintenance costs and insurance costs.
Just my 2 cents, Stephen Rice
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:25:24 -0500 From: "Neros" <neros(AT)megsinet.net> Subject: Re: DML: Support DMCnews
If you were to market shirts for DMC News or with Delorean stuff on them...I would definitely buy one. I'm obsessed now. :)
Mike
"Of all the things I've lost, I think I miss my mind the most..." "I let my mind wander one day...and it never came back." "Neros" on IRC ICQ #8884529
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