DeLorean Mailing List - 8/26/98

Wednesday, August 26 1998       Volume 03 : Number 406



       In this issue:

        DML: When having the front end aligned ...

        DML: Fwd: Fwd: DeLorean needed for advertisement in Spain

        Re: DML: DML Luggage Rack Installation

        DML: Zine in mid-September....

        DML: Re: clutch problems?

        RE: DML: Re: Re: Alternator or Battery??

        Re: DML: keys

        DML: DeLorean Car Show

        Re: DML: Frame welding and cleaning stainless

        Re: DML: keys

        Re: DML: Re: courtesy fuse blowing

        DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade

        Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!

        DML: KPH speedo

        Re: DML: Re: Re: Alternator or Battery??

        DML: Re: Radio inline fuse

        Re: DML: Re: courtesy fuse blowing

        DML: Re: Re: clutch problems?

        Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade

        Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade

        DML: anlge drive and warm engine

        Re: DML: keys

        Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!

        DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade

        DML: wheels and tires

        Re:  DML: Re: Radio inline fuse

        DML: Yokohama tires

        Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine

        DML: New engine

        Air scoops (was Re: DML: Keys)

        DML: Re: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade

        DML: DeLorean club in Miami

        Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine

        Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade

        Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade

        Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!

        Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!

        Re: DML: wheels and tires

        Re: DML: wheels and tires

        Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade

        Re: Air scoops (was Re: DML: Keys)

        DML: DeLorean Expo '98!
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:26:28 -0500

From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" <nick.kemp(AT)HBC.honeywell.com>

Subject: DML: When having the front end aligned ...
If you have the front end toe-in adjusted, make sure they reposition the

boots.  I recently had the front end realigned since I had fully

disassembled it.  They adjusted the toe-in, even though it was within 

spec,

but they did not reposition the tie-rod boot and it tore when I made a 

turn.

The replacement boot appears to be rather expensive.  Another thing to

remember when you are having your car serviced.
Nick Kemp
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 98 10:39:28 -0700

From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com>

Subject: DML: Fwd: Fwd: DeLorean needed for advertisement in Spain
Anyone in the south of Spain own a DeLorean? Email 

"frccollectioncars(AT)teleline.es" directly...

- ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------

Date:        08/25  4:19 AM

Received:    08/25  10:34 AM

From:        FRC, ferrer_b(AT)teleline.es

To:          James Espey, espey(AT)dmcnews.com
First of all, congratulations for your web page.

We are a company who rent specials cars in movies and also in a publicity 

advertisements, and we need for this sunday and also next monday one De 

Lorean in the south of Spain. If you could help us, please contact as 

soon as possible.

Our e-mail is: frccollectioncars(AT)teleline.es and our phone number is 

00-34-909308555 (24h.) or 00-34-93-4172060.

Thank you for everything.

 
                   Hector Ribas

- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 98 10:50:49 -0700

From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com>

Subject: Re: DML: DML Luggage Rack Installation
On 8/25/98 4:46 AM, Ken Montgomery shared these fine thoughts...
> I finally got the nerve to take a drill to my car and install the

> luggage rack I bought when I was back at the Cincinnati show. I think

> the instructions that came with the rack are junk. Now I have an 82
The next edition of the 'zine (due out in mid-September) has an article 

about the luggage rack installation...
James Espey

Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List

http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 98 11:26:48 -0700

From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com>

Subject: DML: Zine in mid-September....
On 8/25/98 10:50 AM, James Espey shared these fine thoughts...
>The next edition of the 'zine (due out in mid-September) has an article 

>about the luggage rack installation...
To all the wise guys who so thoughtfully took the time to respond - YES, 

I mean mid-September 1998! ;)
James Espey

Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List

http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:25:57 -0400

From: Mike Griese <magriese(AT)us.ibm.com>

Subject: DML: Re: clutch problems?
Claude
Mike is on the right path, but you might want to start simply.

Check to make sure you have fluid in the clutch reservoir.  It's

located under the front bonnet.  If your fluid level is low, you may

also need to bleed the clutch at the slave cylinder.  Actually,

you might want to do this anyway.
The plastic clutch line problem is more noticeable when

the car is hot.  The plastic softens a bit with temperature and

balloons when you try to actuate the clutch.  This prevents the

clutch from operating fully, causing the grinding while you shift.

The braided stainless steel line is more rigid and tends to

reflect heat.
Other possibilities are the clutch slave and master cylinders.

Suspect the master cylinder first, slaves hardly ever fail.
Michael A. Griese

IBM Storage Systems Division

Rochester, MN  55901

Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com

voice:     (507)253-1853

fax:        (507)253-2880
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:26:56 -0400

From: Cirillo Ronald A NUWCDIVNPT <CirilloRA(AT)code80.npt.nuwc.navy.mil>

Subject: RE: DML: Re: Re: Alternator or Battery??
Joe,  
	Just a quick comment.  I have a Ducellier Alternator and have

not had a problem since I modified it years ago.  I am still looking for

my notes but I can tell you what I did.  One of the weak links in the

Ducellier is the internal Diode bridge.  Mine went out within six months

of owning my D.  Since I was used to working on LUCAS type electrical

problems, I decided to find out how to improve the design and

performance and have everything look the same.  I took the diode bridge

down to my local autoparts store and asked if they had anything close.

Sure enough I got a bridge from either a Ford or GM (I do have the part

# somewhere) that required a small modification.  I cut the edges of the

heat sink on a bandsaw so that it would fit inside the alternator.  At

the same time I replaced the internal regulator( I believe with a

JEMCO).  I put a diode in the sense line to the regulator to fool the

alternator into putting out more current.  It essentially puts out 0.7

Volts higher than it normally would with a proportional amount of

current increase (about 7-8%).  Have not had a problem since.  Total

cost for the diode bridge and diode at the time were under $10.  I do

not remember what the regulator cost.

Ron
> ----------

> From: 	Joe[SMTP:dmcjoe(AT)att.net]

> Reply To: 	dmcnews(AT)world.std.com

> Sent: 	Tuesday, August 25, 1998 3:17 AM

> To: 	dmcnews(AT)world.std.com

> Subject: 	Re: DML: Re: Re: Alternator or Battery??

> 

> Claude.

> Yes, the GM Delco 100 amp # 7295-12 (Cadallic late 80's) will fit with the

> addition of a longer adjusting arm or universal type. No wiring

> modification is required just cut off the existing Ducillier connector and

> only use the brown/yellow wire to B+, cut the brown wire back and cap or

> tape it. Neither the Delco nor the Motorola use the brown wire.

> Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:39:15 -0700

From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com>

Subject: Re: DML: keys
At 03:28 PM 8/24/98 EDT, you wrote:

>Mr. Seiler,

>

>These are key blanks not of DMC manufacturer.  They are after market to 

>fit

>Volvo and other vehicles.  They work great, with no modifications.  They 

>are

>less then $3.00 ($2.75???) for the flat one, about $3.50 for the black 

>handle

>one?  In either way it is a bargain for me -- just for the availability 

>and

>cut too.  

>

>In this great city of NY they should have everything.  I have searched and

>searched for a key blank for the DeLorean and I could not find one.  I 

>just

>happen to walk into a community hardware store near Chinatown where I 

>park my

>cars (I wanted to harass them for fun of it, foolish that I am), guess 

>what?

>They had it, and more.  More you may ask???  They also got me key blanks 

>for

>my Bentley (or Rolls Royce), which is non existing.  They are only 

>available

>from the RROC or the manufacturers-distributors at a "cheap" price of an 

>arm

>and a half of a leg -- key blanks $15.00.  From this local distributor?  

>$2.75

>plus a little "handy" scoring to make the relief bigger on the blank to 

>fit RR

>standard cylinders as designed by the Yale lock company (they had to be

>different to get their prices).    

>

>Now I humble myself one more time.  Don't under estimate the "little" 

>stores.

>I should know better, that is how I use to build up my other businesses.

>Store the unusual items and go out of the way to get the customers what 

>they

>needed as long it is available from a supply source.

>

>Anyway, If I can be of help, please let me know.

>

>Kayo

reply:
Hi Kayo,
	Thanks for the information. James forwarded you other Key message. I 

think

you may have some miss understanding about the DMC Logo Keys. There are

several key blade Blanks that will fit the cylinder pattern of the locks

used in the Delorean. All when "cut" by a competent key mach operator will

work in any DeLorean door/Ign system.

	The Key blanks and "Pre-Cut" keys that I make are a work of LOVE not

intended to be a business or living income. It is an interest and a 

service

I provide because I like taking part in my DeLorean family. I charge just

enough to pay for the materials and postage and stay a step ahead on 

making

the dies I use to create the blanks. For this reason I use Key blanks that

come from the original Key Blank supplier in England, and I use a an 

almost

indestructible Epoxy material for the Logo top.

	Each set of Keys are hand made one Set at a time and takes about six (6)

hours from start to finish. The Logo tops are exact duplicates of the

original DeLorean Keys, made from a pressing of the Original.

	I suspect that you could make a business out of making DeLorean keys, but

you must understand that I am not competing with any one in either price 

or

type of key. Any one who would like to replace or add a Newly made almost

indestructible DeLorean Logo Key can get them from me for my going price. 

	You might be interested to know I have made about 375 sets of keys so far

for owners world wide, I make a few sets each month, Generally taking one

or two days a month when I make the Keys.
 I hope this clears up what appears to be a miss understanding.



Lee
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:09:00 EDT

From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com

Subject: DML: DeLorean Car Show
Sean 

I have your plaque but I need an address to send it to.  The phone number 

I

have is no good

Please e-mail me back directly at kkoncelik(AT)aol.com 

thanks
Ken
Sorry to bother the rest of you

Thanks James
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:27:54 EDT

From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: Frame welding and cleaning stainless
All stainless steel, will spot and pit some degree.  The more nickle 

content

it has, the more resistance to pitting and duller "gray" the surface will

look.  The more chrome content it has the shinnier "silver" the surface 

will

be. 
The 304 stainless steel which the DeLorean is made from will pitt and 

spot if

you get "adverse" chemicals on it.  Depending on the strength and the 

type of

the chemical, the quicker this effect will set in.  In due time it will 

spot

up leaving discoloration and pitting.  It is not totally immune to 

spotting or

to pitting.  It is still easier to take care of the stainle steel surface 

than

a painted surface.
Kayo Ong

#05508

Lic. 9D  NY
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:14:48 EDT

From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: keys
Mr. Seiler,
I did not intend that you are involved in profiteering.  I was trying to 

offer

help to either lowering the cost on your purchasing end or offering 

another

supplier of the blanks.  

The cost of blanks can be cheaper in price if you buy in bulk or direct 

from

the manufactures.  At times some suppliers or manufacturers may run out of

blanks too, so another source may be good to know.
I do know of your intentions with all the projects that you are involved 

with.

Do keep up the good work!  I have check your website.
Like Mr. Espey, he would generates moneys from the sales of his "goods" to

keep the operations of the DMCNEWS alive for all of us.  That is great 

and I

do support his cause by purchasing items that I can use from him.
I though you were generating money using the same principles of 

operations to

help your projects and cause.  No harm intend.
Kayo Ong

#05508

Lic 9D  NY
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:19:39 -0600

From: Brock Williams <brock(AT)mcn.net>

Subject: Re: DML: Re: courtesy fuse blowing
Joe,

  At first I was using 10A like it said it the manual, but after about 3 I

tried a 15 which blew also.
Brock
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, you wrote:

>Brock,

>What size fuse are you using.

>Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:30:44 -0700

From: Luke Soasey <lsoasey(AT)ichips.intel.com>

Subject: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Hello,
  I have been a "closet-reader" of the DeLorean Mailing List for about

a year now.  The information I have gathered from the messages has

been useful in more than one occasion.  Thanks for all the help.  I'm

going to ask one of my own questions today...

  I've owned #4955 for a bit more that a year now and have decided

that engine could use some improvement.  My particular interest is to

add a turbo to the stock engine.  I have looked through most of the

relevant back issues on the mailing list to see what others have done

with turbos.  Most inquires concerning turbos are directed towards the

twin turbo kit that is available from Turbo Manifold Company.  This

looks to me like a good package with many good reports from those that

have installed it.  Due to the relatively high price for this kit, I

have decided to look into single turbo options for the DeLorean.  A

few times in the back issues I found single turbos suggested as an

alternative to the twin setup, but never were any details included on

how to pursue such an installation.  I recall reading that many

DeLorean owners have installed single Garrett, Rayjay, or BAE turbos.

(I have heard that there was once a single BAE turbo kit made for the

DeLorean.  Unfortunately they are now unavailable.)

  Can anyone give me any information and/or details on how to install

a single turbo?  Here some examples of the kind of things I am looking

for:
  - Copies of the diagrams for the now unavailable BAE kit.

  - An uninstalled BAE kit sitting in someone's garage. (Yeah right!)

  - Information/diagrams for proven custom designs.

  - Pictures of installations.

  - Is there a Volvo turbo made for the PRV-6?

  - Sources for manifold interconnect.

  - How to deal with the cat and muffler.

  - Intercooler or none.
  I would appreciate any leads or information.  Please contact me on

or off line as appropriate.
Thanks,

Luke Soasey

VIN:4955
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:11:41 PDT

From: "John Dore" <dmcjohn(AT)hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
Hi John!

I agree, the guy who wrote that article about the DeLorean is an 

asshole! His name is Quentin Wilson and he works for a British TV 

program called "Top Gear", which is about cars. While the other 

presenter talks about interesting cars like Porsche's or Ferrari's, 

Quentin talks about the latest family sedan that can do 60miles per 

gallon...

He doesn't know anything about sports cars but yet wrote a book about 

them! I think the DML should send him a lot of  e-mails! I'll 

try and get his address of the top gear homepage.
The car that was photographed belongs to Dave Howarth in England and he 

also has a web page on the net which is new and pretty good. I doubt 

he'd have let the car be photographed if he knew what Quentin was going 

to say about it!
John Dore
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:03:14 -0700 (PDT)

From: illyana delorean <illyanadmc(AT)yahoo.com>

Subject: DML: KPH speedo
WARNING: not *too* Delorean-related
hey! i was searchin' through the archives for the 4speed thread that i

had supposedly started with my post (and missed ;<), and i saw some

stuff that i had missed about the 140 MPH speedometer. im assuming

that the normal Delorean speedo was not a 140 MPH, but that the 140

MPH was a rarity. anyway, i was lookin' at a website earlier today

that sported a picture of a canadian Delorean with a KPH speedo.

anyway, i know that canadians arent the only ones that use KPH, thats

just where the car was from, but i was wondering if those of us in the

states could order KPH speedometers for our cars. not just Deloreans,

but ANY car.
i understand that its not for the list, so could someone write to me

personally and tell me if i could order a KPH speedo for my car

(Honda) and how much it might be? i just think thatd be cool. 
<-illyana->
_________________________________________________________

DO YOU YAHOO!?

Get your free (AT)yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:53:37 -0400

From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: Re: DML: Re: Re: Alternator or Battery??
Claude,

I want to make a correction to my last reply to you. I had mentioned

connecting the brown wire to B+, I should have said D+.

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:53:47 -0400

From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: DML: Re: Radio inline fuse
Sean,

Here's the route of your radio memory fuse wire. Fuse # 17, pink wire to

the cigar lighter, pink wire from cigar lighter to digital clock, pink 

wire

from clock to fuse holder and than on to your radio. In some cars the wire

changes color between the clock and fuse holder. If you still can't find

this wire let me know and I'll dig into my archives for the wire color for

your VIN#.

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:47:05 EDT

From: Phillip124(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: Re: courtesy fuse blowing
Joe,

  At first I was using 10A like it said it the manual, but after about 3 I

tried a 15 which blew also.
Brock
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, you wrote:

>Brock,

>What size fuse are you using.

>Joe/DeLorean Services

I had the same problem and it would even blow 30Amp fuses.  The worse 

thing

about blowing fuses was when the engine compartment light was on.  When 

the

doors are open it blows fuses pretty fast, after 5 minutes or so.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:09:20 -0400

From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: DML: Re: Re: clutch problems?
Mike,

Noticed your post and wanted to tell you that you were correct in all

aspects of the clutch problem except slave and master cylinder failures.

Our experience has shown a 4 to 1 failure rate of slave to master

cylinders. 

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:58:01 -0500

From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier(AT)sprintmail.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Luke:
May I offer an alternative that I keep hearing about. A machine shop can

remove both of the heads, modify the cams, enlarge the valves and probably

a few more items. All of this will set you back a few thousand and

increase the horse power from 130 to about 200 without the stress that

turbos have been known to add.
Happy Racing!
Thomas Bohmier
Luke Soasey wrote:
> Hello,

(SNIP)

>

>   I would appreciate any leads or information.  Please contact me on

> or off line as appropriate.

>

> Thanks,

> Luke Soasey

> VIN:4955
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:42:37 -0600 (MDT)

From: raddad(AT)cmn.net

Subject: Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Re the following:

>May I offer an alternative that I keep hearing about. A machine shop can

>remove both of the heads, modify the cams, enlarge the valves and probably

>a few more items. All of this will set you back a few thousand and

>increase the horse power from 130 to about 200 without the stress that

>turbos have been known to add.

- -------------------------------------------------

I have heard some hp figures tossed around rather loosely, but I know of 

no

one who has done this sort of tweaking and gained 70 PROVEN HP.  If anyone

has, I would really like to see an article on what was done.
Most of the turbo's are not producing 200 HP.  If you hold the boost to

less than 7 Lbs., the engine appears to not suffer any adverse reactions.

The ACTUAL HP gain in such circunstances will produce somewhat less than

200 HP.
Unless one is going for major HP gains, the engine will suffer more from

how one drives and maintains the car than from the HP gain.
My $.02
Dick Ryan



- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:45:48 EDT

From: WtrResQ(AT)aol.com

Subject: DML: anlge drive and warm engine
ok, help from anyone online wood be great.  these are my 2 problems.
1) my angle drive "support"?, it looks like a thick piece of coat hanger, 

just

broke off and now my anle drive is making a "creeek, creeek" noise.  is 

there

no cure for the angle drive problems?  i hope that i am talkin bout the 

right

thing.  its gold in color and is located on the inside of the left front

wheel, attached to the center of the wheel???
2)ok, the other problem im having is my car starts up fine when cold, and 

fine

when hot, but  when my car is warm(say i go in to a place for lunch and 

return

to the car)  the car is hard to start.  fuel accumulator??  uh, feul 

leak?  i

have a newer style fuel pump...
ok....thx again, anyone.
james

10470  CA/ "STAINLS"
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:24:32 -0700

From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com>

Subject: Re: DML: keys
At 07:14 PM 8/25/98 EDT, you wrote:

>Mr. Seiler,

>

>I did not intend that you are involved in profiteering....<
I like the sound of that!   "Lee the  profiteer"
Not enough profiteers around these days if you ask me!
BTW I was not offended in any way by your first post.
I am working on just two DeLorean related projects these days, the keys 

and

the

limited edition DMC Kits. Please let me assure you that I am very aware of

the basics of business and bulk price breaks.
Thanks for your thoughts and support.
Lee
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:34:03 -0700

From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
At 06:11 PM 8/25/98 PDT, you wrote:

>Hi John!

>I agree, the guy who wrote that article about the DeLorean is an 

>asshole! His name is Quentin Wilson and he works for a British TV 

>program called "Top Gear", which is about cars. While the other 

>presenter talks about interesting cars like Porsche's or Ferrari's, 

>Quentin talks about the latest family sedan that can do 60miles per 

>gallon...

>He doesn't know anything about sports cars but yet wrote a book about 

>them! I think the DML should send him a lot of  e-mails! I'll 

>try and get his address of the top gear homepage.

>

>The car that was photographed belongs to Dave Howarth in England and he 

>also has a web page on the net which is new and pretty good. I doubt 

>he'd have let the car be photographed if he knew what Quentin was going 

>to say about it!

>

>John Dore

>

comment:
After reading the article thread it is quite clear that the author Quentin

Wilson Knows little or nothing about the DeLorean, My suggestion would be

to contact the publisher, (as many DML members as might wish this) and 

send

letters pointing out both the errors in the article and suggesting a

publishers correction. A positive approach is much more likely to get

printed than a negative one.
How about the publishers address as well?
Lee
BTW
I don't have a problem with opinions that are negative in so far as the

DeLorean are concerned, but I just hate it when they are based on 

incorrect

information.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:23:42 -0700

From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com>

Subject: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
At 10:42 PM 8/25/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Re the following:

 >I have heard some hp figures tossed around rather loosely, but I know 

of 

>no

>one who has done this sort of tweaking and gained 70 PROVEN HP.  If anyone

>has, I would really like to see an article on what was done.

>

>Most of the turbo's are not producing 200 HP.  If you hold the boost to

>less than 7 Lbs., the engine appears to not suffer any adverse reactions.

>The ACTUAL HP gain in such circunstances will produce somewhat less than

>200 HP.

>

>Unless one is going for major HP gains, the engine will suffer more from

>how one drives and maintains the car than from the HP gain.

>

>My $.02

>

>Dick Ryan

>

 reply:
Hi DR,
I tend to agree as a general rule, but I think it is worth mentioning this

as well.
Houston has racks of complete engines, and if maxing out on reliable HP is

a goal, and assuming that the DMC owner were willing to invest in such a

project. There is a lot that can be done to reach the magic 200HP level.
Many years ago I used to be interested in Airboats to the point of 

building

one using the corvair engine. Here in California ( Freemont to be exact)

was a place called the speed shop. There was no aspect of internal engine

functions that could not be improved. A first step was blue-printing the

engine, then the modification of parts and systems until every last drop 

of

power was achieved. There are always trade offs, the more power for a 

given

engine the less reliable it can become.
So for the delorean "Original engine" I suspect that given the basic 

design

adding or more accurately getting 70HP is not the problem so much as what

it takes to accomplish the task.
I won't go into all the "souping up vernacular", my opinion is that 200HP

is available it's just a matter of approach and cost.
Lee
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:39:23 EDT

From: WtrResQ(AT)aol.com

Subject: DML: wheels and tires
hello all,
anyone out there know who ones the "D" that ive seen on someones page in 

the

"D" link pages, that has after market rims and tires?  i dont realy want 

to

change the wheels although larger wheels w/ shorter wall tires probly 

would

handle better.  my local tire shops have expressed a difficulty in 

obtaining

"V" rated tires for the car.  mu understanding is that the hard tires to 

find

in a "v" rating are the smaller front tires....
anyone else out there who has found the same problem and advise on a tire

choice , or selection/advise on aftermaket rims and tires would be great.
james,

10470

"STAINLS"
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:44:24 EDT

From: WtrResQ(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re:  DML: Re: Radio inline fuse
ive seen several emails about mentioning the "clock " and now u describe

the power going to the clock them the radio...isnt the clock in the 

radio??

and if so, it keeps a seperate power line??  just a question, cause im

interested in replacinf my stock radio.
thx,

james

10470

"STAINLS"
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:27:45 -0400

From: "Mike Thomas" <comptrol(AT)ici.net>

Subject: DML: Yokohama tires
Just a note - I bought Yoko AVS intermediates for my D a couple of =

months ago from Tire Shack.  The first person I talked to said the =

fronts were in stock but the rears were backordered big time.  I called =

back and got someone else who had to do a little more searching but they =

had 'em.  Incidentally they perform really well so far.  I'll let you =

guys know how they fare in snow, which will probably only be a couple of =

months here in Massachusetts.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 03:58:03 -0700

From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com>

Subject: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
At 01:45 AM 8/26/98 EDT, you wrote:

>ok, help from anyone online wood be great.  these are my 2 problems.

>

>1) my angle drive "support"?, it looks like a thick piece of coat hanger, 

>just

>broke off and now my anle drive is making a "creeek, creeek" noise.  is 

>there

>no cure for the angle drive problems?  i hope that i am talkin bout the 

>right

>thing.  its gold in color and is located on the inside of the left front

>wheel, attached to the center of the wheel???
Reply: Yes you are talking about the right thing. You will need to replace

that bracket ASAP, in the mean time it would be a good Idea to disconnect

the lower speedo cable. When you get the part, be sure to lubricate the

angle drive and the drive cup that is under the wheel hub. The lubrication

goes on just the small square hole only! If you do not get some 

lubrication

inside the angle drive it will fail very quickly.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:33:30 -0400

From: "Ronald  Pohala" <rpohala(AT)luzerne.edu>

Subject: DML: New engine
I have just had a rebuilt engine put in my car. Overheating destroyed the

last one. Big mistake. 
Does anyone know a site I can go to with the listing of all the updates

that would help to get car in tip top shape aNd not ruin another engine.
Thanks Ron
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 05:13:06 -0700

From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com>

Subject: Air scoops (was Re: DML: Keys)
Lee the Profiteer wrote:
>I am working on just two DeLorean related projects these days, the keys and

>the limited edition DMC Kits. Please let me assure you that I am very aware of

>the basics of business and bulk price breaks.
Does this mean the turbo-style sccops are dead, or just on hold?
James=
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:20:45 -0700

From: "Tito A. Lugtu" <TALugtu(AT)planeteria.net>

Subject: DML: Re: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Greetings to everyone!
I have a D (#004546) with a single turbo charger on it (by BAE from 

DeLorean

Motor Center) ... the HP increase kicks-in at 2500 - 3000 rpm ... don't 

know

how many horses are added ... but at 5th gear while approaching 2500 rpm  

...

I feel the jump like going to lightspeed <:-) ...
In HIS Peace.
tito
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:08:53 +0000

From: Albert Siegel <siegel(AT)technologist.com>

Subject: DML: DeLorean club in Miami
Hello everyone!!!  This Saturday is the next meeting of the South

Florida DeLorean Group.  It will take place at 7:00pm.  If you own a

DeLorean (even if you dont) and wish to go, i will need you to contact

me before 9:00pm Friday.  It will take place in the Miami Kendall area. 

Hope to see you there!!
Albert Siegel

305-378-2197

siegel(AT)technologist.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:39:03 +0000

From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com

Subject: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
Hi,
> Reply: Yes you are talking about the right thing. You will need to replace

> that bracket ASAP, in the mean time it would be a good Idea to disconnect

> the lower speedo cable. 
This is more of a "don't Panic" than anything else. The bracket 

mentioned broke off on my first "D" at around 15K and was never 

replaced. When I sold the car at 67K it had not been replaced, the 

lower cable had, and I had never had a problem with the angle drive. 

This was long before the "DML" existed.
Chris
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:02:34 -0600 (MDT)

From: raddad(AT)cmn.net

Subject: Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Further to this thread:
Please don't misunderstand me.  Getting the 70 Hp, OR MORE, is not

impossible nor even particularly difficult.  But the comment here was to

maintain a reliable engine PRESUMABLY so that the car could be driven in a

somewhat normal fashion.  Given that, I stand by my comments; i.e., a mild

cam change, "porting and relieving", headers and the like don't typically

produce a 50% increase in HP.  Sure, if you want to go with a very

aggressive cam, change bore and stroke, add a high flow fuel pump with

appropriate injectors, etc, it is possible.  However, you won't have a car

you will want to drive on the street and the engine will probably be a 

heck

of a lot more tempermental that one with the addition of a turbocharger
$.02 more
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:22:56 +0100

From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is(AT)connect-2.co.uk>

Subject: Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
The Renault Alpine GT-Turbo used the 2.5litre version of the PRV-6 and I

know of a car with an alpine turbo in it. The part should ba available

through a European dealer, I could find out if you'd like,
Martin
Luke Soasey wrote:
> Hello,

>

>   I have been a "closet-reader" of the DeLorean Mailing List for about

> a year now.  The information I have gathered from the messages has

> been useful in more than one occasion.  Thanks for all the help.  I'm

> going to ask one of my own questions today...

(SNIP)

>   Can anyone give me any information and/or details on how to install

> a single turbo?  Here some examples of the kind of things I am looking

> for:

>

>   - Copies of the diagrams for the now unavailable BAE kit.

>   - An uninstalled BAE kit sitting in someone's garage. (Yeah right!)

>   - Information/diagrams for proven custom designs.

>   - Pictures of installations.

>   - Is there a Volvo turbo made for the PRV-6?

>   - Sources for manifold interconnect.

>   - How to deal with the cat and muffler.

>   - Intercooler or none.

>

>   I would appreciate any leads or information.  Please contact me on

> or off line as appropriate.

>

> Thanks,

> Luke Soasey

> VIN:4955
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:36:33 +0100

From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is(AT)connect-2.co.uk>

Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
Can people please give me details of this article - I admit I haven't been

following the thread too closely. I have a mate who works at the BBC and 

might

be able to "find" me the right contact to complain to. Top Gear may be

interested in re-dressing the balance by doing a feature on the D. When 

all's

said and done, it is THE show to watch about cars over here...
I vaguely recall a conversation with Dave about someone from a magazine 

taking

a D for a test run, and was simply scared of putting his toe down. The 

car he

was driving had headers fitted and it flew. It still got a bad write-up 

:-(
With the web page now up and looking pretty, and the owners club is

prospering, I've been wondering for a while about contacting the "beeb". 

I'll

be sure to mention the sheer volume of support for the car worldwide (not

least through the DML).
Best Wishes all,
Martin
PS The DOC UK site is maintained by me as my way of getting involved 

without

actually having a DeLorean.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:27:14 EDT

From: ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
In a message dated 8/26/98 12:08:03 PM GMT, you write:
<< After reading the article thread it is quite clear that the author 

Quentin

 Wilson Knows little or nothing about the DeLorean, My suggestion would be

 to contact the publisher, (as many DML members as might wish this) and 

 send letters pointing out both the errors in the article and suggesting a

 publishers correction. A positive approach is much more likely to get

 printed than a negative one.  How about the publishers address as well? 

>>
"The Ultimate Classic Car Book" by Quentin Willson with David Selby is

published by Dorling Kindersley, 9 Henrietta Street, Covent Garden, London

WC2E 8PS.

Tel. 0171 836 5411  Fax. 0171 836 7570

Dave Howarth did indeed lend the publishers his car for the photographs 

and

got a free copy of the book for his trouble.  I can tell you he was pretty

angry when he read the text!  He had supplied two pages of correct 

information

which they didn't use.

My guess is that Willson was paid to put his name to the book, he didn't 

write

it, some other idiot did!

Robert Lamrock

Belfast
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:33:42 -0500

From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller)

Subject: Re: DML: wheels and tires
WtrResQ(AT)aol.com wrote:

> 

> hello all,

> 

> anyone out there know who ones the "D" that ive seen on someones page in

> the

> "D" link pages, that has after market rims and tires?  i dont realy want

> to

> change the wheels although larger wheels w/ shorter wall tires probly

> would

> handle better.  my local tire shops have expressed a difficulty in

> obtaining

> "V" rated tires for the car.  mu understanding is that the hard tires to

> find

> in a "v" rating are the smaller front tires....

> 

> anyone else out there who has found the same problem and advise on a tire

> choice , or selection/advise on aftermaket rims and tires would be great.

> 

> james,

> 10470

> "STAINLS"

Rob Grady (AT) PJ Gradys has put larger diameter wheels with lower profile

tires on his Green DeLorean.  I really liked the look of his car. 

Contact Rob to find out what he did.
Scott
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:36:28 EDT

From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: wheels and tires
James,
As it stands date August 26.1998.  The only tires that are "V" rated for 

the

fronts and rears in the "correct sizes" are Yokohomas and Pirellis that is

available off the shelf (correct me if I am wrong).  All other brands 

that I

know of are either front or rear "V" rated, not both.  "H" is 130 MPH 

rated.

It is common and available in brands. 
Besides, our DeLoreans do not operate above 130 MPH, or does it?  I would 

like

to see or find one that can beside the #502 "The Legend."  Then these 130 

MPH

DeLoreans will put an end to the fact that the DeLorean is a slow or a low

"top end" performer.  This has always been the talk or the topic of this

marque as a sports car (who cares, I still love it).
The point is: "V" rated is 149 MPH, do we really need "V" rated tires?  

Or "H"

tires will do for it is availability and for its general road performance?
Kayo Ong

#05508

Lic  9D  NY
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:37:51 -0500

From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller)

Subject: Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
lseiler(AT)radiance.com wrote:

> 

> At 10:42 PM 8/25/98 -0600, you wrote:

> >Re the following:

>  >I have heard some hp figures tossed around rather loosely, but I know

> of

> >no

> >one who has done this sort of tweaking and gained 70 PROVEN HP.  If anyone

> >has, I would really like to see an article on what was done.

> >

> >Most of the turbo's are not producing 200 HP.  If you hold the boost to

> >less than 7 Lbs., the engine appears to not suffer any adverse reactions.

> >The ACTUAL HP gain in such circunstances will produce somewhat less than

> >200 HP.

> >

> >Unless one is going for major HP gains, the engine will suffer more from

> >how one drives and maintains the car than from the HP gain.

> >

> >My $.02

> >

> >Dick Ryan

> >

Steve Wynne at DMC Houston has souped up Bill Swilleys stock engine. 

They port matched the heads, changed the cams and get 170 to 180 hp. 

The K & N Filter setup that others on the list have spoke about will

give you free HP.  My car in stock form goes fast enough to get me

tickets if I'm not carefull.  I think that if I had more HP, not only

would the car go faster, but my insurance rates would go UP faster too.  
Scott
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:50:54 -0700

From: raddad(AT)cmn.net

Subject: Re: Air scoops (was Re: DML: Keys)
Lee
I, too, hope that the scoops are not dead.  You see, I have this great

winter project .......
Dick Ryan
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:18:07 PDT

From: "John Dore" <dmcjohn(AT)hotmail.com>

Subject: DML: DeLorean Expo '98!
Hi DeLorean Fans!

I'm going to the DeLorean Expo '98 in September and if there is someone 

in the San Francisco area who would also like to go, within 20 miles or 

so, I'll pick you up and bring you down. No, I don't have a DeLorean 

yet!...It would be cool to go with someone who is as interested in the 

car as I am!

Or, if you have a DeLorean and are travelling down alone, and live 

within 100 miles of San Francisco could I drive to your home and travel 

down with you? I'll pay for all the fuel! 

Mail me back at: dmcjohn(AT)hotmail.com or reply to the mailing list if you 

think you can help me out!

Thanks

John Dore
------------------------------
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