Friday, August 28 1998 Volume 03 : Number 407
In this issue:
Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
Re: DML: wheels and tires
Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
DML: DeLorean in Movie?
Re: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
DML: tires/wheels
DML: H.P. Questions
DML: Re: DeLorean Expo '98 - Caravan
Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
Re: Air scoops (was Re: DML: Keys)
Re: DML: H.P. Questions
DML: 81 DeLorean for sale 10,000 firm
DML: left front fender for sale
DML: [admin] Unacceptable postings to the DML - UPDATED
Re: DML: H.P. Questions
DML: Re: clutch problems?
DML: Some questions...
DML: [admin] New shirt design posted
DML: Parts Wanted
Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
DML: DMC Stripe
DML: Fuel Filter Cross Reference
DML: WTB Tail light
Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Re: DML: Parts Wanted
Re: DML: WTB Tail light
Re: DML: Never Believe A Photo!
DML: Limited Edition
Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
Re: DML: Some questions...
DML: angle drive and warm engine
Re: DML: Re: courtesy fuse blowing
DML: One NCT front tire available
Clock in dash vs radio (was: Re: DML: Radio inline fuse)
DML: Re: Some questions...
DML: Re: New engine
DML: Quarter Panel
DML: Preventing frame rust
DML: Re: Delorean video
DML: [admin] More shirt designs submitted
Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
DML: Radio Control
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:38 -0500 From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut(AT)postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Re the following: > >May I offer an alternative that I keep hearing about. A machine shop can > >remove both of the heads, modify the cams, enlarge the valves andprobably > >a few more items. All of this will set you back a few thousand and > >increase the horse power from 130 to about 200 without the stress that > >turbos have been known to add.
> Unless one is going for major HP gains, the engine will suffer more from > how one drives and maintains the car than from the HP gain.
> Dick Ryan
Dick is absolutly right. 5.5 lbs of boost will bring the turbocharged DeLorean to about 170hp under certain conditions. Mild boost levels like this won't harm the DeLorean engine but the extra horsepower may tempt you to drive a bit harder which can add to the wear and tear on the engine. Changing the valve train is a permanent physical change that most likely will upset the engine's ability to pass emission tests. Adding a turbo with a catalytic converter down stream shouldn't change the emissions of the engine. The cams can't be modified anyway. They're surface hardened and grinding will ruin them. There are a variety of cams available for this engine but you'll have to get them out of Europe. Any modification that increases horsepower is going to have pluses and minuses attached. The Turbo seems to offer the best compromise with this engine.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:09:16 -0400 From: "William M. Kwan" <BillKwan(AT)compuserve.com> Subject: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
Where exactly is the lubrication point for the angle drive? I am new to the D and like to know how to do that. Could someone clarify that for us=
new owners?
Bill Kwan billkwan(AT)compuserve.com VIN# 2157
P.S. Could someone tell me what month my DeLorean was built and also what=
other information was coded in the VIN# SCEDT26T9BD002157
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:32:14 -0500 From: wolfe19(AT)mail.megsinet.net (Nerobro) Subject: Re: DML: wheels and tires
The reason that V-rated tires exist are for people who drive on the edge. The ratings are more for heat resistance than for holding togither at speed. BAsicily they are more resistant to delamination and to Blistering.
I would put a v-rated tire on ANY car I expect to have it's wheels squealing constantly. But for daily driving..... Even for Rather Spirited driving.... Normal tires are not a danger.
(SNIP) > >The point is: "V" rated is 149 MPH, do we really need "V" rated tires? >Or "H" >tires will do for it is availability and for its general road performance? > >Kayo Ong >#05508 >Lic 9D NY
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:59:32 -0600 (MDT) From: raddad(AT)cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
Scott
My point exactly. 170 - 180 HP is available through a variety of methods and will leave you with a very driveable car. But, 200HP (which seems to be the magic number for so many people) is not so easily attained and still be a reliable daily driver type of vehicle.
For me, the extra HP is a way to compensate for the loss which I experience while running around at 7000' here in Colorado.
Dick Ryan - ----------------------------------------------------------> >Steve Wynne at DMC Houston has souped up Bill Swilleys stock engine. >They port matched the heads, changed the cams and get 170 to 180 hp. >The K & N Filter setup that others on the list have spoke about will >give you free HP. My car in stock form goes fast enough to get me >tickets if I'm not carefull. I think that if I had more HP, not only >would the car go faster, but my insurance rates would go UP faster too. > >Scott
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:53:15 -0500 From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye(AT)creativeworlds.com> Subject: DML: DeLorean in Movie?
I may have spotted a DeLorean in another movie last night. Maybe someone can confirm this sometime. I was watching "2010: The Year We Make Contact" last night. When Dave Bowman comes back and visits his wife on the t.v. set, once he leaves, a commercial comes on for a future Sheraton Hotel and there is a shot of a gullwing opening up. It's hard to make out what type of car it is, but I'm pretty sure it was one of ours.
- -Daniel
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:25:59 EDT From: WtrResQ(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
ok, im sorry, i wasnt real clr on my last request for help.
regarding the angle drive, the "A/D" is making the "creek, creek" noise (which speeds up as the tire speeds up), even without the cable attached. does the sound mean that the "A/D" is on the way out?? also, ive heard so many different ideas on what to lube the cables and drive unit w/ ....what is the greneral concensus on the mailing list?? ive heard 90w gearoil, bearing grease, spray on tefflon "type" grease.......aaaaahhhhhhh! help!!.......:)
tyx, james
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:26:03 EDT From: WtrResQ(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: tires/wheels
Kayo Ong wrote:
(SNIP)
>The point is: "V" rated is 149 MPH, do we really need "V" rated tires? >Or "H" >tires will do for it is availability and for its general road performance?
Kayo Ong #05508 Lic 9D NY - ---------------------------------------------------------
reply:
i dont disagree that an "H" rated tire of 1998 is probably good enuff for a "D". i personally like the softer rubber compound used on a "V" rated tire. i have found, from the many sports cars that i have had, that a soft tire can realy hold onto the road better in the turns. a larger wheel and tire combo wud also help the car corner better, but id like to leave the stock wheels on (for the look) if i can.
my 2/100 of a $,
james..:) 10470
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:24:53 EDT From: Gullwing99(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: H.P. Questions
Hello fellow D lovers, The only way to know for sure is to run the engine or the entire car on a dyno to check for the horsepower,,,,or purchase a little computer that I'll tell you about in a second,,,We have a car ( not a D ) that we put a Paxton supercharger on and yes it made a very big differece,,but the point I'm getting at is they claim,,at 6 pounds of boost, an average of 40% increase in power,,,I don't know what the single or the twin puts out,,if I recall correctly, I think the twin has 5 psi at full boost,,,so even if we said that it increased the H.P. by 40 percent,,that would put the D at a tad over 180 H.P.,,,,not to bad for an early eighties engine,,,but again not the 200 hundred mark we'd all like to get. The little computer I said is a very inexpensive investment for fun,,,if you live in a rural area that has some flat roads that doesn't have local or state authorities driving you crazy,,lol,,like me,,they know me very well,,I keep the local police department in new uniforms,,,,the device is a little G Tech performance meter/Pro series by Tesla electronics,,,,you might have seen it in some car mags,,it's been tested alot and has had high marks for accuracy,,,I bought it about a year ago and I think I paid only about 130 bucks for it,,,not bad for the info you can get from it,,,it tells,,,,instant G's, 0-60,1/4 mile times, braking, and lateral G's and of course H.P.,,,all you do to use it is program the weight of the car,plus the driver and go from there,,,,it works very well and is a very fun toy,,,I used it on the D when I first got it and don't really remember the H.P.,,,but I think it was right around the factory specs,,,of course it gives you rear wheel horsepower,,so you have to do a little figuring ,,,but I do remember geting to 60 in the high 8's,,,,not to bad for a stock D, with a K&N filter and a little better breathing after I cleared out the preheater assembly,,,,,I didn't start out at full bore either,,I didn't want to hurt the tranny or the clutch so I started out kind of sensible then gave'er all she had,,,,it would probably do around 8 if you ran the heck out of it,,,I'll stop rambling for now,,,,,,,take care everyone,,just my 2 pennies J.B.Vincent 16709
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:53:31 +0000 From: kenm(AT)compctr.ccs.csus.edu Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Expo '98 - Caravan
John Dore wrote: > Hi DeLorean Fans! > I'm going to the DeLorean Expo '98 in September and if there is someone > in the San Francisco area who would also like to go, within 20 miles or <snip>
I'm in Sacramento (CA) and my wife and I will be driving down VERY early Thursday (Sept. 3rd) morning so we can arrive in the LA area mid-day, AFTER the morning rush hour (7-8 hours, ~400 miles). I'm wondering if any others from around the N. Cal area will be driving down. This will be our first long trip in the car since I bought it in January**. While I'm trying to cover every possible thing that could go wrong, as the saying goes, 'there's safety in numbers'. If nothing else, I'd like to hear about others who are planning to make the drive (from wherever) and how they are preparing for it.
** I did drive down to meet up with Lee Seiler last Tuesday in Berkeley. I had just put on new tires and found that the front shocks were dead, so I now have new shocks and new lowered front springs which I'm putting on on Friday. (I'll have to tell you all about my visit with Lee in another message [ yes, I did see the amazing car models he's making, and yep, he has an Emmy sitting on his TV).
- ------------------------------------------------------- Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911 Sacramento, CA kenm(AT)csus.edu "When the wind gets under these wings Operating You will feel what freedom brings" Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons (916) 278-7646 http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:08:36 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
At 07:39 AM 8/26/98 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >> Reply: Yes you are talking about the right thing. You will need to replace >> that bracket ASAP, in the mean time it would be a good Idea to disconnect >> the lower speedo cable. > >This is more of a "don't Panic" than anything else. The bracket >mentioned broke off on my first "D" at around 15K and was never >replaced. When I sold the car at 67K it had not been replaced, the >lower cable had, and I had never had a problem with the angle drive. >This was long before the "DML" existed. > >Chris > reply:
Chris, As the worlds champion angle drive destroyer I feel that with respect to angle drive failure it is likely to be individual from D to D. I am sure that there are D's out there that have had no problem with the angle drive ever and there are D's like mine that eat the damn things every few thousand miles.
It can't hurt to disconnect it and lubricate the drive and/or do the fix.
Just my 2 cents worth....Wink
Lee
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:26:57 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
At 04:27 PM 8/26/98 EDT, you wrote: >"The Ultimate Classic Car Book" by Quentin Willson with David Selby is >published by Dorling Kindersley, 9 Henrietta Street, Covent Garden, London >WC2E 8PS. >Tel. 0171 836 5411 Fax. 0171 836 7570 >Dave Howarth did indeed lend the publishers his car for the photographs >and >got a free copy of the book for his trouble. I can tell you he was pretty >angry when he read the text! He had supplied two pages of correct >information >which they didn't use. >My guess is that Willson was paid to put his name to the book, he didn't >write >it, some other idiot did! >Robert Lamrock >Belfast > reply:
I will in fact write the publisher and post here a copy to the DML. Any one who would like to use it in part is welcome to do so. I can't abide such stupidity!
Lee
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:16:34 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: Air scoops (was Re: DML: Keys)
At 05:13 AM 8/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >Lee the Profiteer wrote: > >>I am working on just two DeLorean related projects these days, the keys and >>the limited edition DMC Kits. Please let me assure you that I am very aware of >>the basics of business and bulk price breaks. > >Does this mean the turbo-style sccops are dead, or just on hold? > >James= > Hi James,
The scoop project is a go but on hold, I want to get the models in to production before starting fabrication of the scoops.
I may post on the DMC message board computer generated diagrams and air flow data......The scoops are quite different than any previous styles so far. I need to give the idea some thought.
Lee
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:04:55 -0600 (MDT) From: raddad(AT)cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: H.P. Questions
Further to this thread (which is getting kind of long):
My twin turbos are set at a hair over 6 lbs.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:53:18 EDT From: SZervoudis(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: 81 DeLorean for sale 10,000 firm
I AM IN NEW YORK, 10 MINUTES FROM NYC. I HAVE A 1981 DELOREAN STAINLESS S= TEEL COLOR FOR SALE. THE ONLY PHYSICAL DAMAGE IS ON THE LEFT FRONT FENDER= THE STEEL NEEDS TO BE REFABRICATED, AND A REFLECTOR IS NEEDED ALSO. THE = CAR HAS 8,653 ORIGINAL MILES ON IT.<BR> WE ARE THE SECOND OWNERS, THE FIRST OWNER WAS A COLLECTOR. THE CAR HAS OT= HER LITTLE THINGS THAT IT NEEDS BUT, THEY ARE MINOR.<BR> I WANT 10,000 FIRM FOR IT. <BR> <BR> E-MAIL ADDRESS - GALAXYGZ(AT)AOL.COM<BR> VIN # 05272 Sender: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 10:03:52 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: left front fender for sale
In reference to the car for $10K that needs a left front fender, I still have one available for $1500...I'll even throw in the side marker light.
James
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 10:06:24 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: [admin] Unacceptable postings to the DML - UPDATED
To clarify, the following types of messages are not okay:
* Spam, chain mail, or virus warnings (posting these is grounds for removal) * Press releases, commercial notices, attachments, etc. * Questions asking if the DML has covered a topic previously (use our Web search engine) * Questions relating to a DML subscription (send email to <moderator(AT)dmcnews.com>) * Me-too postings after a topic has been addressed sufficiently * Anything not related to the DeLorean automobile, company and man. * Obviously personal replies (should be done via private email) * Postings from people wanting to buy a "cheap" DeLorean in great condition * Anything else I feel is inappropriate (Iron Hand Espey)
I hope to keep the volume of postings moderate to avoid overwhelming subscribers. Also, I'm more likely to post messages that are well-reasoned, well-written, and avoid unnecessary vitriol. Don't take message rejection personally; it will be done in the interests of making the list a useful resource for us all.
Thank you!
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: H.P. Questions
On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 raddad(AT)cmn.net wrote:
> Further to this thread (which is getting kind of long): > > My twin turbos are set at a hair over 6 lbs.
My guess is that in the stratosphere where raddad lives (even higher than me - I'm only at 6000!) you can afford to use higher boost levels because of the thin air. Whereas most places recommend using no higher than 6 lbs of boost, you could probably get away with 7 lbs at high altitude since the air is 15% thinner. (or more specifically, the 7 lbs setting will probably only produce about 6 lbs of air).
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:52:42 -0400 From: Mike Griese <magriese(AT)us.ibm.com> Subject: DML: Re: clutch problems?
Joe wrote:
>Noticed your post and wanted to tell you that you were correct in all >aspects of the clutch problem except slave and master cylinder failures. >Our experience has shown a 4 to 1 failure rate of slave to master >cylinders. ><
I'll defer to Joe on this one. He has seen many more DeLoreans than I.
Michael A. Griese IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:49:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryl Classick <jettrink(AT)TSO.Cin.IX.Net> Subject: DML: Some questions...
Am I the only woman on this list? Just curious. What is Ephesians 6:12 that puts out this Delorean tape? Strange name for a company. I also heard that Delorean didn't even design t his car???? I've forgotten what else I must have written. I think your newsletter which I picked up at the Cincinnati show was pretty good. Until last June I thought a Delorean was a made up car for BTTF. Cher
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 12:27:03 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: [admin] New shirt design posted
New t-shirt design submission is posted at:
http://www.dmcnews.com/shirt.html
Check it out!
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:56:00 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Parts Wanted
I read a post a while back from someone who had some parts for sale. I do not know for sure, but I think it was Brandon? Please send me an email directly if you have parts available.
I'm looking for:
Hood with gas flap Engine cover Brake caliper rebuild kits
Thanks
Scott Mueller scottmueller(AT)zebra.net
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:26:25 EDT From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
To Mr. Kwan and all DMLs,
To lubricate your angle drive and speedo cable you would have to remove your front left wheel and grease cap (retainer--plastic). Then remove and dismantle the angle drive unit, the speedo cable lower half (and check then also check the upper half speedo drive too). Check the gears on the angle drive, check the drive cable shafts for fraying, bent, or wear. If all the parts are good and there is no wear or failure, then repack with grease with the best "full body" grease available (liquid type of lubrication don't last). Try some new hi-tec space age grease which is available (super sticky and extreme temperature resistance grease--lithium, silicone or synthetic based). Reassemble all the components and reinstall them back into the car.
Rob from PJ Grady had used this grease on my car the first time my speedo failed. Rob currently uses this hi-tec grease for all his customers too.
I would use standard grease for they do "fail" by "freezing" in the extreme cold winters or they would "run out" in the hot summers, if you do extreme everyday or long driving. Besides lubrication, the properties of the grease acts as an insulator and buffer to "cushion" the parts which the standard grease or 90W oil can't fully provide. You should encase all these units with hi-tec space age grease to eliminated this "condition" and premature failure.
The major problem and failure that I have encounter and seen on other DeLorean cars is that they have a habit of churning or spinning water (moisture) into the speedo housing and cable (hard long drives during rain and snow). The lack or no lubrication does not help to seal the casing. This creates water to enter and rust the drive cable. This causes premature failure by binding or twisting the drive cable against the wall of the speedo's housing in the snapping or wearing of the cable and/or the tips.
The standard and suggested recommended lubricating periods of the speedo cable should be performed at every oil change, about 5,000 miles. Doing it with this hit-tec grease will provide a longer time period. I have over 10,000 miles going on 15,000 and still is serving me well. It lasts a longer time.
Does anyone out there knows of any other hi-tec grease that is sold or not sold on the commercial shelve that fits these properties that is available or we can use? Application for the use in the field of marine, aeronautical, space, military, scientific, etc.? These new grease may even extend the maintenance period to 20,000 miles or better?
Keeping this area properly lubricated and maintained is just as important. The expensive cost (and soon the lack of supply) of the angle drive unit is easily avoided by "regular maintenance." It must be grease, grease, and grease more then normal. Labor -- about an hour work to do this. Grease is cheap!!! This is what it takes to keep the longevity of the speedo section, then the needless premature failure will be eliminate.
BTW. When my speedo shaft failed. I did notice that my DeLorean had less resistance in motion. It "rolled" with less effort--slightly faster. When the speedo cable was replaced, the DeLorean's had less speed--typical resistance and slightly slower. The DeLorean reverted back to the usual performance and its characteristics. Does the speedo holds back the efficiency of the car? Or is this my imagination?
Kayo Ong #05508 Lic 9D NY
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:26:32 -0700 From: "Dave Price" <davep(AT)humanmachine.com> Subject: DML: DMC Stripe
Does anyone have an image of a DeLorean with one of the factory stripes across the side? (if so, could you email me the URL or the image itself at davep(AT)humanmachine.com )
Thanks!!
- -Dave
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:58:06 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Fuel Filter Cross Reference
I just replaced my fuel filter. Here is current cross reference information.
Original equipment Kayser AK-11-LJA
DeLorean One Replacement Bosch 0450-905-401
Current Purolator F53191 $10.00
AC GF519
Fram G3747
Wix 33156
These filters are exact replacements, the Purolator came with the required copper washers.
Just thought I would share this info.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:07:14 EDT From: OLopez1(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: WTB Tail light
Does anybody have a left tail light cover for sale. Need to buy a new one.
Thx
OL
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:20:51 -0400 From: Steve <dmc(AT)fdt.net> Subject: Re: DML: Single Turbo Performance Upgrade
On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, BRUCE BENSON wrote: [...] > cams can't be modified anyway. They're surface hardened and grinding will > ruin them. There are a variety of cams available for this engine but > you'll > have to get them out of Europe. Any modification that increases horsepower
I thought it worth mentioning that IPD might sell a preformance cam shaft for the b-28 (Volvo equivalant engine). I searched the back-issues and noticed that no one had mentioned them in the past. IPD sells preformance parts and other goodies for all volvos.
I haven't ordered anything from them personally, but they do sell a few things that Delorean owners might find useful. You can find them at http://www.ipdusa.com or 800-444-6473.
-Steve <dmc(AT)fdt.net>
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:19:05 EDT From: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Subject: Re: DML: Parts Wanted
Scott,
Maybe I can be of help re: the brake calibers. I put front discs on my wife's 65 Mustang convert. and got great products and service from Stainless Steel Brakes, (in Ohio I think). Just check-out any of the good news stands in your area for Mustang Monthly, or maybe even Turbo magazine, they should have adds for S.S.B. They make stainless steel rebuild kits for just about anything. If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll go through our Mustang archives and get you a number. Good Luck, Joe
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:01:33 -0500 From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier(AT)sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: DML: WTB Tail light
Try PJ Grady. They have a really nice upgraded board with brighter lights. I think that they are 60.00 each
Thomas
OLopez1(AT)aol.com wrote:
> Does anybody have a left tail light cover for sale. Need to buy a new > one. > > Thx > > OL
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:25:18 -0700 From: "Robert A. Rooney" <DMCVegas(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: DML: Never Believe A Photo!
Personaly, I myself was VERY OFFENDED by the comments made in this book! (I dorve down to Barnes & Noble just to get a look at it!) But we may have a chance to bring to De Lorean back into the spotlight again with this. After recieving the U.K. mailing address for the publisher, you had better believe that I am going to write a letter to them! But, if we can bring peoples attention to this, we may be able to shed some light onto the subject for the world to finally see. After all, if the Author/Publisher has printed either false information and or uneducated opinions in this article, how many other books have they written containing "fasle-hoods"? All of their books are supposed to be educational for childeren and adults alike, can we really trust them on presenting facts to teach our childeren? We can though prove all of their statements wrong, just contact the NADA(does anyone know who the authority on D's is for the NADA? ;) ). Ultimately offensive to us, and an embarassment to them! I strongly urge all of you to write a letter! Oh, by the way, if this letter hurts the resale value on my car, or hurts business for a vendor, isn't that slander & grounds for lawsuit? Just curious...
- -Robert
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:48:17 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: Limited Edition
Hi to the List of 100
First thanks to James for his continued support of the Limited Edition.
Next:
For those of you who have been stopping by the DMC message board and who have sent me e-mail (e-mail address changes) Please include your reservation number when you correspond, The reservation number saves me time in taking care of what ever needs my attention.
It is important that every one on the List of 100 check the Reservation list on the DMC board. Please be sure I have your e-mail address (handle(AT)) correct. The rule is that if I send e-mail and it bounces twice you come off the list. This is very important. I will be sending out a pre release notice soon asking for shipping address conformation. First the pre-paid kits will go out, then the courtesy kits, and finally the remainder as payments are received and cleared. There will only be 100 of these kits so please be sure I have the correct information.
I will be sending out the few remaining Reservation certificates that had a problem, were changed or needed correction in the next few days (I hope?). I should point out that having a certificate is nice but if you are not on the posted list you won't have an opportunity to get one of the kits. Any one that is expecting such a change or correction..It's just fine to remind me if you are concerned about any of the above, even if you have already done so. Please send any inquires direct to me at lseiler(AT)radiance.com or lee(AT)totalimmersion.com. Be sure to include your reservation number.
Thanks
Lee 81DMC12
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 05:25:32 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
KayoOng(AT)aol.com wrote: > SNIP > > BTW. When my speedo shaft failed. I did notice that my DeLorean had less > resistance in motion. It "rolled" with less effort--slightly faster. > When > the speedo cable was replaced, the DeLorean's had less speed--typical > resistance and slightly slower. The DeLorean reverted back to the usual > performance and its characteristics. Does the speedo holds back the > efficiency of the car? Or is this my imagination? > > Kayo Ong > #05508 > Lic 9D NY
Kayo, I think its your ego. My boat used to go 90+ MPH until I was clocked. Then I found out it would only go 85 MPH. When I found that out, I decided that a speedometer on my boat would just shatter my ego.
Scott
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:15:27 EDT From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Some questions...
John is a born again Christian or so claims to be and started that company. It is not much more than a company in name that he runs his household through for tsx purposes. We do the same thing here so its not unusual. The car was designed by an italian company in order to utilize the Lotus frame. Earlier prototypes were rrunning behind schedule John did not do the actual design but he did have influence on it.
ken
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:57:58 EDT From: WtrResQ(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: angle drive and warm engine
lee wrote: >reply: > >Chris, > As the worlds champion angle drive destroyer I feel that with respect to >angle drive failure it is likely to be individual from D to D. I am sure >that there are D's out there that have had no problem with the angle drive >ever and there are D's like mine that eat the damn things every few >thousand miles. > > It can't hurt to disconnect it and lubricate the drive and/or do the fix. > >Just my 2 cents worth....Wink > >Lee - ------------------------------------- thx lee,
i have taken it apart and lubed the snot out of it. i also purchased a new bracket. i drove the car tho and can still hear the "CREEK". i hope the drive doesnt go out on me,....geeeez! ok anyone on the warm engine part of my question??
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:11:56 -0400 From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: Re: DML: Re: courtesy fuse blowing
Brock, Try this test. Unplug both door switches and the engine compartment light switch than replace the fuse. If the fuse holds than work backwards until you isolate the source. If the fuse still blows you'll have to access a schematic wiring diagram and trace the circuit until you find a short circuit. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:46:52 -0500 From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" <nick.kemp(AT)HBC.honeywell.com> Subject: DML: One NCT front tire available
I have one NCT front tire available if anyone is interested. It measures as 6/32 tread remaining per Tires Plus. Overall the tire appears in good shape. I do not believe that it is an original tire. If your interested send your offer to me directly at Nick.Kemp(AT)hbc.honeywell.com
Nick Kemp
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:18:44 -0400 From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: Clock in dash vs radio (was: Re: DML: Radio inline fuse)
James, The early DeLoreans had a digital clock mounted next to the instrument lamp dimmer. In the later cars, as in yours, the factory eliminated the digital clock and installed a radio with the clock built in. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:23:20 -0400 From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Some questions...
Cher, Which DeLorean tape are you talking about, there were several produced. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:35:24 -0400 From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: New engine
Ron, Order a back issue of DeLorean World # 24 Vol. 6 No. 3, there is an excellent section describing all the procedures for maintaining the cooling system. I would also suggest you purchase the Fanzilla from PJ Grady. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:32:27 -0400 From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com> Subject: DML: Quarter Panel
Hello,
How hard is it to put a quarter panel on a DeLorean?
Sean
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:58:18 -0600 From: Greg Guillot <gguillot(AT)mccno.com> Subject: DML: Preventing frame rust
You guys may want to check out the POR15 web site (www.por15.com) that has been talked about on the news list recently. I just purchased their advanced starter kit ($17.95 with shipping) that provides enough to treat and cover 12 square feet - should be plenty for the frame. It comes in gray, which will hopefully blend well with the epoxy. The kit comes with the cleaner, metal etcher/treater, gray paint, brushes and rubber gloves. I am treating the rust on my frame by sandblasting the area first, which removes the rust as well as any of the loose epoxy coating, and then treating the spot with the POR-15 just to make sure the rust does not return. I do not have a major rust problem, as the spots on my frame are from rocks and road debris that have hit the frame and chipped off the epoxy. I will post an update on how well the product works after I have had a chance to use it. ************************************************ Morial Convention Center - New Orleans Greg Guillot, Director of Info Systems & Services 900 Convention Center Blvd,New Orleans, LA 70130 Phone (504) 582-3116,Fax (504) 582-3104 Email gguillot(AT)mccno.com ************************************************
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:04:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryl Classick <jettrink(AT)TSO.Cin.IX.Net> Subject: DML: Re: Delorean video
This video was put out by Ephesians 6:12. It's the only one I have ever heard of which was in the DMC News that was at the cincinnati car show.
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 11:12:21 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: [admin] More shirt designs submitted
Added another shirt design this morning with the promise of more to come...check them out at:
http;//www.dmcnews.com/shirt.html
Deadline for entries is Septmber 15th, voting begins September 16. Complete details are at the web page listed above. Thanks!
BTW, for those who asked, shirt color will depend on the final design chosen.
Also, to John Pietrowski, got your message, lost your number, please email or call again!
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:14:22 EDT From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
Mr. Muller,
I question my experience, because the speedo drive shaft failed me TWICE within an eight months time period. This is the reason why I search for a high quality lubricating grease or even devise a better unit to help or to correct this inherited weakness which is so common with all the DeLoreans. What is the price of an angle drive???
In each time it failed it was serviced by PJ Grady. Twice with two repair bills to complement the failures. No fun here besides the pain to wait for Rob to take me in between his heavy schedule to repair it.
Now, this feeling of nonresistance which is physically from the car as real as "science" or is this a feeling from "one's mind" as an "ego"?
Each time the shaft or the angle drive gave way, "I did feel" less resistance when rolling along. Each time it gave way, I was going interstate in my travels. I did drive it in this broken condition over 500 miles each time until I got it repaired. Incidentally my DeLorean has over 1,000 miles, unrecorded due to each of the failures.
You do raise an interesting point, I wish each time the speedo gave way, I wish my "ego" would have repaired it. Broken it is, less resistance as science yes, as my ego??? I don't think so. The angle drive and speedo drive shaft do rob the wheel of some energy motion?
I was just trying to figure a way to improve the efficiency of the drive assembly. It is the little things that make the big things happen. Anyway, that is the reason why I ask if anyone had any experience in this area.
Kayo Ong #05508 Lic. 9D NY
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:59:07 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: angle drive and warm engine
At 07:57 AM 8/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >lee wrote: >>reply: >> >>Chris, >> As the worlds champion angle drive destroyer I feel that with respect to >>angle drive failure it is likely to be individual from D to D. I am sure >>that there are D's out there that have had no problem with the angle drive >>ever and there are D's like mine that eat the damn things every few >>thousand miles. >> >> It can't hurt to disconnect it and lubricate the drive and/or do the fix. >> >>Just my 2 cents worth....Wink >> >>Lee >------------------------------------- >thx lee, > >i have taken it apart and lubed the snot out of it. i also purchased a >new >bracket. i drove the car tho and can still hear the "CREEK". i hope the >drive doesnt go out on me,....geeeez! ok anyone on the warm engine part >of >my question??
reply:
Chris,
If you have a floor jack, jack up the front of your d at the center of the front cross brace just enough to get the front tires off the floor.
Spin by hand the front left wheel while mounted just as fast as you can and listen.
If you hear a sort of marbles un a can full of water sound the worm and pinion gear are worn or their shafts or the housing is bent or deformed. If this is the case your angle drive is toast for sure, it's just a question of time. Now the sound you hear could be other things, but to isolate the sound you may next need to pull the angle drive which can be destructive to the drive. You can remove the tire, take out the drive cup, replace the tire and do the spin-listen test. If you still hear the marbles, it's not the angle drive, it's the wheel bearings.
If you are sure that it is the angle drive, when you do need to replace it you will get it with out the mounting nut. Don't use the wire retaining clip. Go to a hardware store and get a real retaining clip, this will be flat and look like a little new moon with 3 small tabs on the inner circumference. The wire clip provided is all but impossible to remove to get the retaining but off the angle drive, but the real retaining clip can be removed with a pick like tool with very little effort and with out destroying the angle drive.
BTW I mentioned the floor jack because you can break your windshield just jacking up one side of the front or so I am told.
Best of Luck
Lee
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:15:36 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: Radio Control
From Time to time I see mentions of Radio Control DeLoreans
In addition several e-mails to me have suggested doing a Radio Control DeLorean.
Before I can seriously consider such a project I need to conduct an informal survey to determine how many DML members would be interested in such a project.
The proposed Radio Control Delorean specs:
scale about 1/20th or about 8 and 1/4 inch long runs on two AA Batteries Pistol grip controller that uses 9 volt battery
Right, left, Forward, reverse and stop
Range 30 to 100 feet
Price under $50 probably much less depending on how many would be produced.
While the body will be a faithful replica of the Delorean it is not intended to be a scale model.
If you are interested please send me a direct e-mail to lseiler(AT)radiance.com just say "I am interested".
I will report what the responce
Lee 81DMC12
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