DeLorean Mailing List - 12/5/96

dmcnews-digest	Thursday, 5 December 1996	Volume 02 : Number 199

In this issue:
Big Batteries, Electrical Load, and Door Locks
Delorean Engine
Remaining list of parts
re windshield antenna, big battery, engine number etc.
DeLoreans in Museums
wiring diagram
RE: Cold Start Valve Availibility?
Rear Air Scoops
Cooling fans
roll-over switch
Aquila gullwing
FS: Delorean in Las Vegas
Re: Rear air scoops
Alternator Alternative
New Rear Tires
Delorean in Newsweek
Re: roll-over switch
Chassis Rust
Austin and San Antonio over Christmas
Re: Chassis Rust
gray oil binnical lens
What do YOU want for Christmas?
Dear Santa: DeLorean wish list for any budget
LAU - MAC & OUT: How good are they?


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:17:39 +0000
Subject: Big Batteries, Electrical Load, and Door Locks 

After posting my opinions on DMC electrics and reading a few responses, here's a 
few more of my personal experiences....for what they're worth...and thanks for 
the various comments about my last post.

Battery Size: Bigger can be better--One of the charging problems with any car is 
at what RPM the alternator begins producing DC at a useful current level. The Ducy 
is not known for its low-RMP voltage output, so if you are sitting at a stoplight 
or idling with the heater on to take the chill
off Winter, then a bigger battery could help smooth out the low spots. The Motorola 
supposedly has better low-speed specs, so it would be an improvement in a stop-and-go 
situation. I'm spoiled by a 10-minute, back-street drive to charging 
problems here. 

While on the subject of low RPM performance, the size of the alternator's drive pully 
would obviously be a factor in low speed alternator output. I've known a couple of 
non-DMC experts who put a larger pulley on GM alternators to increase low speed output, 
at the expense of bearings every couple of years (too fast on the high end). Might 
be some really high quality, high-output units out there somewhere...

Electrical load-- OK, I guess my opinion on whether the DMC is a power hog is based 
on a small sample of experience-- but I have had several cars with transverse 
engines which used electric radiator cooling fans. Usually only one big one, which 
probably draws a little less current than two small ones like on the DMC. Still 
don't think the DMC is especially power hungry--but it DOES have power mirors 
(electrically heated, no less), rear defogger (does anyone actually use it?) and 
power windows. Don't use 'em all at the same time, though....

Chase, you mentioned door lock current. The DMC door lock controller was not a marvel 
of engineering excellence, but they do not draw any current when idle if operating 
properly. Problem is, the little bitty contacts on the lock relays can't handle the 
large inductive load of the two lock solenoids, and they will sometimes stick closed, 
such that the solenoids draw current (lots of current) until the relay contacts open 
or the battery drains. Mine would ocassionally stick until I hit a bump in the road 
(proven by putting a 12V trouble light on the lock solenoid leads, such that it would 
come ON only when the locks are energized), finally they stuck shut overnight and the 
current available from my oversized battery lasted long enough to burn up
both solenoids. Solution-- I scavenged a dual accessory relay off a Datsun and wired 
it so the original door lock relays operated only the Datsun
relays, which in turn operated the door locks. About 6 years now, no problem. Fixed 
the burned lock solenoids with coils out of a Chrysler, 82 vintage-- solenoids were 
identical to the DMCs except for mounting bracket and connector; swapped the guts 
and used the DMC solenoid can and cable).

As I recall, PJ Grady has an improved door lock controller which does the same thing 
as the relay, with (I think) some added logic to make sure that
the controller never tries to activate the lock and unlock coils at the same time, 
and no doubt packaged more elegantly than my mod. 

Mark Hershey


From: "Eric J. Hennebury" 
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:39:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Delorean Engine

Tell your parts supplier that you need parts for a Volvo B28F engine, and this should
 provide you with most of what you need. This engine was used in the early '80's 
 Volvo 6 cylinders. Hope this helps Eric


From: dgf108(AT) (Damien Falato)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 04:05:37 -0500
Subject: Remaining list of parts

Well, as can be expected parts have been selling. Here is the list of parts
remaining as of this posting.

tool kits, quantity=2, retail=70.00, my price=30.00 

Catalitic convertors, quantity=3, retail=495.00, my price=260.00 

engine compartment light, quantity=2, retail=30.00, my price=15.00 

craig radios, quantity=1, retail=250-350.00, my prce=100.00 

compressor AC, quantity=3, retail=225.00, my price=100.00 

carbon cannister, quantity=3, retail=70.00, my price=25.00 

High beam headlights, quantity=2, retail=7.00, my price=5.00 

Low beam headlights, quantity=2, retail=7.00, my price=5.00 

cigarete lighters, quantity=3, retail 25.00, my price=10.00 

AC accumulator bottles, quantity=3, retail=118.00, my price=40.00 

Front ASI speakers, quantity=2, retail=25.00, my price=10.00 

Rear ASI speakers, quantity=2, retail=55.00, my price=10.00 

Luggage racks, quantity=6, retail=245.00, my price=80.00 


From: dlwrence(AT)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:47:10 -0800
Subject: re windshield antenna, big battery, engine number etc. 

Hi everyone.
My name is Chris Lawrence, I live in Southern California, and I am a new subscriber to
the DML. (geez-that sounded like an intro to a 12 step program of some kind)
Actually, Chris is my middle name. My first name is Mike, but I figured that there
were enough Mikes on this list to keep straight as it is, so I'll go by Chris. I
don't own a D yet as I am only 16 and my parents won't buy me one (parent's never
understand, do they?) However, I have been reading all the back issues of the DML and
I have learned more about the car in tha past few weeks than I did in the last 10

And now the tech stuff...

There is a car audio shop in Watertown, Mass. called Rich's Car Tunes. In 1990, the
owner, Rich Inferrera, did an install on a 1963 Aston Martin DB4 (not the James Bond
car, but the year before). He made a windshield antenna by running 30 guage wire up
the right side and across the top of the windshield and secured it with clear tape.
The antenna was completely invisible and supposedly got good reception too...

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe a bigger battery will put a much larger load
on the already overworked 90 amp Motorolla alternator than the stock battery would.
The alternator will have a very difficult time keeping this large bettery charged.

Arne-the PRV6's official engine number is B28F. 

Also, Emmett Lyman, if you are reading this, it's good to see another Rush fan on the

~ Chris


From: Mike Substelny  Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:15:24 -0500
Subject: DeLoreans in Museums

Somebody (was it Chase?) was looking for a list of DeLoreans in Museums. It took a 
while, but I finally dug out my museum book and read through all the lists of cars. 

According to the book "American Automobile Collections and Museums" by Michael Morlan 
(1992, Bon A Tirer Publishing, Shawnee Ks) the following museums had DeLoreans as of 

Museum	City, State
International Motorsports Hall of Fame Talladega, Alabama Behring Auto Museum Danville, California
SanDiego Automotive Museum*	SanDiego, California
Wheels O' Time Museum	Peoria, Illinois
Auburn-Cord-Deusenberg Museum	Auburn, Indiana
Domino's Classic Car Collection	Ann Arbor, Michigan
Gilmore Classic Car Club Museum	Hickory Corners, Mich
Autos of Yesteryear**	Rolla, Missouri
National Automobile Museum	Reno, Nevada
Backing Up Classics	Harrisburg, N.Carolina
Crawford Auto/Aviation Museum***	Cleveland, Ohio
Gast Classic Motorcars Exhibit	Strasburg, Pa
Car Collectors Hall of Fame	Nashville, Tennessee

* book indicates this museum has a 1977 DeLorean ** book indicates this museum has a 
1984 DeLorean *** has VIN#500 DeLorean displayed beside stainless 1936 
Ford and a stainless Lincoln Continental 

I assume the 1977 and 1984 DeLoreans are typographical or clerical errors, but I have 
not actually visited these museums to see for sure. The DeLorean at the Crawford is 
always on display, but the ones at the Auburn-Cord-Deusenberg and Gilmore were not 
displayed when I visited both in 1995. 

According to the book most of the museum cars are 1981 models, although a few are 1982s.
 This list is based solely on the book. I know for a fact that other museums have 
 DeLoreans now (The Peterson and Charlie Sens' off the top of my head).

- -Mike Substelny


From: GunkelWWW(AT)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 02:25:30 -0500
Subject: wiring diagram

Can anybody give me pleeeaaase a good scan from the DeLorean wiring diagram??
My version is very very... bad!!

GunkelWWW(AT)AOL.COM Germany


From: GunkelWWW(AT)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 02:40:06 -0500
Subject: RE: Cold Start Valve Availibility? 

>With winter on the way, I definitely need to finally replace my cold start valve. 
Unfornately, KAPAC doesn't have any of the original valves in stock anymore. Does 
anyone know the Bosch part number or other cross-reference information?

>~ Chase

The Bosch # for the thermo-time switch is 0-280-130-214. 

GunkelWWW(AT)AOL.COM Germany

Some other german/european DMC owners or DMC NEWS members here!? please email me!


From: raddad(AT)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:15:02 -0700
Subject: Rear Air Scoops

Want to contact the owner of the red customized DeLorean shown on page 22 of the 
DeLorean World, Volume 13, Number 4 (the just released issue). Name, phone number, 
email or snail mail address appreciated. Want to discuss his rear air scoops.

Any help appreciated.

Dick Ryan


From: Duke Bladorn 
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:37:49 -0600
Subject: Cooling fans

>One aspect that I do not know about that maybe somebody else can speculate on
>is whether fan motor burn out is a problem with continuous usage. Are the 
electric fan motors reliable?

I've had mine wired to run constant for about 4 years now and have had no problems 
yet. I 'jumped' the thermo switch due to the fact that my cooling
fans came on when the temp hit the 220 degrees mark and everyone I talked to
said that was too hot for a 'D'. I figured it was better off having to pay
around $250 - $300 for a new cooling fan motor rather than a couple thousand
to rebuild the engine. I don't know how much power loss from the engine (if
any) it causes but due to the fact I own an automatic, I don't quite have a
powerhorse of a machine anyway.


From: GunkelWWW(AT)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:22:13 -0500
Subject: roll-over switch

>In addition to the kill switch ... just pull up the roll-over switch. "They" 
may get in, may connect or jump the ignition wires but it will never start because 
the fuel pump is disabled. Marv

can someone tell me where the roll-over switch is located and how I pull it up!?

Markus Gunkel Germany


From: "Murray Fisher" 
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:55:56 -0800
Subject: Aquila gullwing

In the current (January 1997) issue of Kit Car magazine on page 97, there is a 
picture and little writeup about an 82 gullwing Aquila that might be interesting 
to DeLorean fans. Also on page 98 is another one. 


From: ruud(AT) (Ruud Broers)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 22:29:28 GMT
Subject: FS: Delorean in Las Vegas

When visiting Las Vegas for Comdex, two weeks ago, I found a Delorean for sale in 
one of the local newspapers. Although I did not have any intend to buy it and take 
it back home with me to Europe, I still contacted the lady.

I took a lot of pictures and admired the car which (to me) looked as being in an 
excellent condition. The brushing on the body was redone, giving it the beautifull 
stainless steel look. I promissed the owner to put it up on the www for sale, so 
please do not contact me. I'm not involved in the sale whatsoever. 

The car called "Baby" has 33000 miles, was build august 1981. Asking price for 
the car is US$ 15,000.

The hood has two grooves and is not having a fuel flap. 

The owner (Ms. Bert Tinklepaugh) can be reached at (702) 256-2220. Las Vegas.

Ruud Broers, The Netherlands


From: Mike Substelny  Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 08:39:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Rear air scoops

Dick Ryan said:

>Want to contact the owner of the red customized DeLorean shown on page 22 of the 
DeLorean World 

I haven't gotten that issue yet, but this car might belong to Dave Colley. His car 
won "People's Choice" at the Concourse this year. It is red and it does have air
 scoops. Last time I checked he was not online, although he lives near me in Hudson, 
 Ohio. I asked Dave about his scoops once, and I believe he said that he made them 
 by hand. When I get that issue I'll look for the picture, and if it is Dave's car 
 I will dig up a phone number for you.

- -Mike Substelny


From: Bryan Pearce  Date: Mon, 2 Dec 96 08:49:08 +0100
Subject: Alternator Alternative

With all the talk lately about batteries and alternators, I wanted to post 
information about a replacement from DeLorean Motor Center I just received 
information about.

Apparently, from the specs, it produces 105 amps for cars that have all those 
nice extras like CD player/changer, amps, real speakers, etc. For reference, 
the Motorola unit produced 90 amps. 

DeLorean Motor Center offers a one year warranty with a cost of $330 which includes 
a special bracket to hold the larger alternator. 

If anyone has any other information about this product or has one, please let me 

Bryan Pearce


From: Bryan Pearce  Date: Mon, 2 Dec 96 09:17:23 +0100
Subject: New Rear Tires

If anyone knows where I can order new Yokohama AVS Int. (235/60 VR15) for the read 
of the DeLorean, please let me know. I have tried several tire stores in the 
Chicagoland area and have been told that they are on national back order.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.



From: hansolo(AT) (Joel Baum)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:11:45 -0500
Subject: Delorean in Newsweek

Hello everyone. I just wanted to let everyone know that John Z. Delorean is
mentioned in this weeks "Newsweek" on page 48. The issue has Tiger Woods on
the cover. Although it is only one sentence comparing Delorean's downfall to Jose 
Lopez's, I figured some of you may be interested. 

Joel Baum
Joel Baum's Home Page


From: "Marvin S. Sterling"  Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 
03:25:58 -0800
Subject: Re: roll-over switch

GunkelWWW(AT) wrote:

>>In addition to the kill switch ... just pull up the roll-over switch. "They" may 
get in, may connect or jump the ignition wires but it will never start because the 
fuel pump is disabled. Marv

>can someone tell me where the roll-over switch is located and how I pull it up!?

>Markus Gunkel Germany

- ----------------------------------
The rollover switch is located on the left side above and to the left of the 
clutch pedal. The module is a box about 4" square and the switch is on the top of 
the box.
Best regards,


From: Richard Strecker  Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 20:21:11 -0500
Subject: Chassis Rust

What is involved in replacing a badly rusted chassis. 

Is it necessarry?

How bad can it be before there are structural problems? 

Any idea of the cost for a chassis? Availability? 

Thanks for any information.



From: Blarness(AT)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:29:08 -0500
Subject: Austin and San Antonio over Christmas 

I will be in Austin and San Antonio, TX area from December 20th through the
28th if there is anyone out there on the DMC "list" that might like to get 
together to talk DeLoreans over a cup of coffee or something. 

Or... if you have suggestions on what there might be to do in the area please
email me directly and say, Hi.

- -C2


From: Mike Substelny  Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 09:22:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Chassis Rust

Richard Strecker asked:

>What is involved in replacing a badly rusted chassis. 

If you are talking about the double wishbone frame, you need to remove the body 
and all mechanical parts from the old frame and put them on the new one. Someone 
on the DML once said that this is not as hard as it sounds. I suggest you search 
the back issues.

>Is it necessarry?
>How bad can it be before there are structural problems? 

I don't know how to answer this. My original 1981 frame is still in good shape, 
it was built well and the epoxy coating is still giving it good protection. As 
far as I am concerned you would need to mistreat a DeLorean for it to need a new 
frame this soon. Perhaps if the car has been lowered and you like to "catch some 
air" at railroad crossings your epoxy will be scraped off. That would do it.

Obviously structural problems depend on the location of the rust. A concentration 
of rust in the wrong place can be very bad, but most of the DeLorean frame is 
overbuilt and it can tolerate a little rust sprinkled here and there. 

>Any idea of the cost for a chassis? Availability? 

You should be able to find used, reconditioned, and maybe even new frames. If you 
can get the aftermarket stainless steel frame then do it. Off the top of my head 
I don't know a price, but it is easy to get quotes. See the list of suppliers on 
the DML home page under "Survey Results" and make a few phone calls.

Can anyone explain the proper use of the terms "frame" and "chassis" for the 
DeLorean? I have always assumed the "chassis" included the polymer floor unit, 
but I have never really thought about it.

- -Mike Substelny


From: michael richard pack  Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:18:18 
-0500 (EST) Subject: gray oil binnical lens

Does anyone have the correct procedure for replacing a clear lens that covers 
the instrument cluster? In addition is the lens available? Additionally has 
anyone installed the HUMMER/DMC replacement dome light, and has it been
of any type of problem?

Michael Pack


From: dmcnews-approval
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:58:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [none]

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Vehicle Type: Cars
Make	: Delorean
Max Price : $99,999
Min Price : $	0
Year	: Newer than 1970
Miles	: Less than 200,000

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From: James Espey 
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 13:37:47 -0000
Subject: What do YOU want for Christmas? 

It's getting to be that time of year again, and several people have emailed me 
wanting to know what they should get for that special DeLorean-nut in their life. 
Sometime next week I will be posting a list of some cool DeLorean items to fit any 
budget, but right now, I want to ask people on the list what DELOREAN-RELATED 
stuff they would like to receive this year.

Obviously, we'd all probably like to have the twin turbo or gold-plated DMC, and 
those of us w/o DeLoreans would be thrilled to have one in the garage come 
Christmas morning. So, let's keep it realistic...okay? 

I'll even go first.

1. Custom-fitted DeLorean car cover
2. stainless steel letters for door sills 3. ski-rack adaapter for my DMC luggage 
rack 4. new gray pull straps for my doors (no rings) 5. new set of body side moldings

Who's next?

James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List 


From: Mike Substelny  Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 16:23:51 -0500
Subject: Dear Santa: DeLorean wish list for any budget 

#1) Some friends from Chapter 23 have this nifty portable plastic picnic table. 
It seats four adults and even holds a patio umbrella, but it folds down to the 
size of a brief case! It is the perfect thing for a DeLorean owner to take to a 
car show on a sunny summer day. I don't know the manufacturer, but my girlfriend 
has seen it and she knows I want one.

#2) DeLorean Gold Portfolio

#3) Speedo angle drive

#4) Stainless letters for rear fascia

#5) Is there a French wine with "DeLorean" on the label? 

#6) DOA wine glasses to go with #5

#7) DOA jacket

#8) DMC Houston sweatshirt

#9) DOA umbrella

#10) New web browser so I can see DOA home page better 


From: Mike Substelny  Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 16:40:18 -0500
Subject: LAU - MAC & OUT: How good are they? 

In the new DeLorean World there is a full-page ad for a music album by 
"THE LAU-MAC & OUT SUPERGROUP" produced by winged records. They say "We have adopted 
the DeLorean as our own and it will appear on all discs and videos produced by 
Winged Records."

This seems like a great idea to me. I generally like Rock & Roll and I certainly like 
the DeLorean. I even like Winged Records' address.

My question is, has anyone heard this music? Are they any good? The disc is only $10, 
but I would like to hear a sample before I drop a check into the mail. If somebody has 
this album, could I give you a call and hear it over the phone or something?

If nobody has it, then I will order it in a week or two and you can all call me to hear 
how it sounds. Better yet, call my girlfriend. Somehow she always ends up with all my CDs. 

- -Mike Substelny


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