DeLorean Mailing List - 12/14/96
dmcnews-digest Saturday, 14 December 1996 Volume 02 : Number 201
In this issue:
ABE want matches
robs car
DeLorean Gift Ideas
DELOREANS AS AN INVESTMENT
In or near Phoenix? Call me!
Bad investment?
Delorean Book Sale
Frame Rust failures
Re: DMC Floormats
ADMIN NOTE
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From: Advanced Book Exchange, abe@abebooks.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:25:00
-0500 (EST) Subject: ABE want matches
The following wants have been matched by ABE:
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Your Want: Keywords: delorean
Has been matched with the following book(s):
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DeLorean by DeLorean, John Z.
mich. zondervan 1988
keywords: nonfiction DeLorean, John Z. DeLorean, J. Z. J. Z. DeLorean g/g x-lib.
solid. Binding is hb.
The price of the book is US$ 9.00 Please reference the seller's book # 000833 when
ordering.
The seller is Finders at 8984 Liebler Rd , Little Valley, NY, USA, 14755 Email
them at Finders@worldnet.att.net., phone them at 716-938-6724., fax them at none.
Their conditions of sale are; Postage Paid in USA. Dealer discount up to 20% when
reciprocal.
Refund if not satisfied.
This mail was created 12/12/1996 10:27:36 PM and postmarked 12/12/1996 11:11:29 PM
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From: dgf108@psu.edu (Damien Falato)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:01:04 -0500
Subject: robs car
For those of you out there that are concerned that one of, if not the, best
DMC mechanics has destroyed a car by painting it green, take heart. Rob's green
car was rescued by painting and not destroyed. As I understand it the
vehicle's body parts and fascias consisted of blemished ones Rob had around
the shop that were good enough for painting but not for sellinng to customers.
Yes, the wheels are larger. They are 16s in the rear and 15s in
the front. This was countered, I believe by using a 40 side wall tire instead of
a 60 and I think they are also an inch wider each as well 255 and
215 respectively I believe, but I could easily be wrong on that part. I think he
has also modified the front suspension into welded double A arms, but if he has
that may not even still be on the car any more. There are slightly shorter springs
in the car that were factory prototypes that very few, if any more, were made of.
I don't know if he decided to put his amp zilla unit in the back or not. I know
there are other proposed modificationns, changes, et cetera, but why spoil the
suprise? Besides, as
backed up as he is (it wasn't necessary but I just made an appointment 5 1/2
months in advance to make sure he could slot me in) he may never get to any
of them.
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From: James Espey
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 16:38:51 -0000
Subject: DeLorean Gift Ideas
This is the first year for the "DeLorean Gift Ideas" list, and judging from the
response, I'm sure that it'll turn into an annual event. Thanks to all those who
suggested things for the list, and also to the companies
that responded to my requests for items to list.
Most of the items within were suggested by readers, and a number of items received
multiple votes, which is amazing considering the number of DMC-News readers and
the wide variety of products available for the discerning DeLorean owner/enthusiast.
This information will be posted to the DeLorean Mailing List web page at:
http://www.goodnet.com/~mikasa/gifts.html
I can't guarantee that the "DeLorean Gift Ideas" deals below are the lowest possible
prices, but I imagine that they will be pretty good in most cases. If you find a lower
price, give yourself a gold star and take advantage of it. Keep in mind, most of the
prices below do NOT include shipping. Contact information for the companies listed are
at the end of this message.
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Stainless steel screw set, about $25 (from PJ Grady)
New power window switch covers, about $25 w/exchange (available from PJ Grady)
Assorted books, magazines and brochures, from $10 to $45 (from Pittman DeLorean Parts)
Door/Hood/Louvre Struts, SPECIAL THRU 1/1/97 - $90, $60, and $50 per pair, respectively
(from Pittman DeLorean Parts)
Original DeLorean Luggage Racks, new in boxes, $150 - limited quantities (from Pittman DeLorean Parts)
DeLorean Anniversary Mugs w/18K gold, $10.95 each 2 for $20 (from DeLorean Motor Center)
Car covers - 50% Poly/50% Cotton, $129.00 (from DeLorean Motor Center)
Leather DeLorean Seat Covers, $812.50 full set (from DeLorean Motor Center)
All DeLorean Motor Center prices are for a limited time.
Embroidered DMC sweatshirt about $37 (from DeLorean Motor Company)
DeLorean hat with DMC and front view of car, about $18 (from DeLorean Motor Company)
DeLorean boxer shorts, about $15 (from DeLorean Motor Company)
Coffee cups, black and white marble with DMC silohouette, about $7 (from DeLorean Motor Company)
Full Color DeLorean T-shirt, between $15 and $20 (from the DeLorean Owners Association)
DeLorean Collector Plate, about $25 (from the DeLorean Owners Association)
DeLorean Gold Portfolio Book, about $25 (from the DeLorean Owners Association)
Stainless steel logo letters for rear bumper, about $60 (from DeLorean One)
Stainless steel logo letters for door sills, about $60 (from DeLorean One)
Original Equipment design floormats in black or grey, about $140 per pair (from DeLorean One)
Full Color DeLorean Poster, about $17 (from DMC-News) (4 avail.)
The DeLorean Tapes Book, SPECIAL PRICE THRU 1/1/97 - $40 (from DMC-News)
(1 avail.) Motor Makers of Northern Ireland, SPECIAL PRICE THRU 1/1/97 - $50 (from DMC-News)
(2 avail.) Stainless Steel Illusion, SPECIAL PRICE THRU 1/1/97 - $175 (from DMC-News)
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PJ Grady, Product Orders (800) 350-7429 or Tech Info (516) 589-6224 or FAX (516) 589-6241
Pittman DeLorean Parts, (812) 944-5413 or FAX (812) 944-5402 DeLorean Motor Center, (714)
554-6794 or FAX (714) 554-0163 DeLorean Motor Company, (800) USA-DMC1 or (713) 568-9573 or
FAX (713) 568-9380
DeLorean Owners Association Products, (818) 547-3638 Voice/FAX DeLorean One, Products Orders
(800) DMC-HELP or (818) 341-1796 or FAX (818) 998-6381
DMC-News/James Espey, (602) 401-1923 or (602) FAX 464-5352
Again, thanks to all of the companies above for participating in the annual "DeLorean Gift
Ideas" list. Whenever you order something from ANY DeLorean parts/service facility, mention
that you are a subscriber to DMC-News, it'll only make them more inclined to participate in
things like this in the future.
Happy Holidays to all!
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com New for '97 - http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: Delornut@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 19:54:46 -0500
Subject: DELOREANS AS AN INVESTMENT
Several folks have questioned the investment value of the DeLorean. It's not
something that's evaluated by cost earnings ratios but it isn't too hard to
put things into perspective with a little research. A fellow named Keith Martin has
been gaining a reputation as one of the foremost authorities on the value of collector
cars, particularly sports cars. He does a brief column
each week in AUTOWEEK magazine and also publishes a magazine called SPORTS CAR MARKET.
He follows the auction circuit and does research as to why a particular car sells for
a particular price. In the case of the DeLorean he
feels the price won't increase dramatically because there are just too many
of them. 8500 units is pretty small production by Detroit standards but it's
a bunch when compared to most collector cars. On the other hand, one of the
DeLoreans competitors in 1981 was the Porsche 928. It sold for twice the DeLoreans cost
and currently sells for an average price of about half the DeLoreans. The DeLorean has
held its value a whole lot better than most cars
but even when not taking inflation into account, it hasn't made anyone any money. It's
the most exotica for the buck out there right now and when you figure in the value of
the entertainment and satisfaction owning one of these
cars brings it's a great value even if it hasn't proven to be, up until now,
a growing financial investment.
Bruce Benson
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From: James Espey
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 18:18:48 -0000
Subject: In or near Phoenix? Call me!
I mentioned this once before, but I want to say it again - if anyone on the list
is ever going to be in or near Phoenix and would like to get together for
lunch/beer/coffee and talk about DeLoreans/compare cars/shoot the sh*t, call me!
I work right near the airport and would even be willing to meet you at the airport
if you've got a layover waiting for a connecting flight.
Last night about 10:00pm, Don Gowler (The Silver Fox), called me from his hotel
and we were able to meet this afternoon as he was on his way to the airport to
head back to Chicago. It was great to finally meet Don and put a face with a name.
He had some pictures of his DeLoreans (yes, plural!) and we a great time during our
brief meeting at my office.
In the past six months, I've been able to meet a couple of other list members this
way and hope to meet more. Incidentally, I may end up in the Reno/Lake Tahoe area
from 12/25 thru 12/28 - anybody in that area want to meet?
James
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From: Widdomaker@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 22:01:42 -0500
Subject: Bad investment?
Not that I bought my car for its investment value, but.....
A new D (1981) asking price was $25K, This came down to around $20K after demand
faltered, receivorship, and arrest of JZD. A good quality used 1981 today, asking
price is $17 - $22k.
How many other cars retain their value like this after 15 years? Just wait
until it gets 20 -25 years old. I see the investment potential.
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From: Ddl52@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:57:30 -0500
Subject: Delorean Book Sale
I have several of John Z. Delorean's autobiographies, Delorean, for sale.
These books are NOT used. They are as they came from the publisher, shrink
wrapped in mint condition. Price: 25.00, which includes shipping. Please reply if
interested. E-mail, ddl52@aol.com
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From: Bryan Pearce Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 11:25:47 -0600
Subject: Frame Rust failures
In Digest #200 Mike Substelny writes:
>I don't doubt that frame rust is a legitimate concern, but the question is, how
unsafe is it? Does anyone know of a DeLorean frame that actually experienced
catastrophic failure and caused an accident? What part of the frame failed? What
was its condition prior to failure?
>I request that everyone on the DML please share your specific stories of frame
failure accidents. They could save lives!
I know of three frame failures. All of which occured at low speeds. Two of these
frames failed in the rear at the point of connection between the lower control
arm and the frame directly under the engine. The third failure was in one of the
front shock towers. All three of these failures could have caused serious problems
at highway speeds.
It is important to note that DeLoreans with frame rust will, of course, last longer
if they are not driven on a regular basis and exposed to the elements. My perspective
is that of a person that drives the car everyday is every kind of weather.
Anyone have any repairs done to the frame and know approx. costs?
Bryan Pearce
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From: Jack Danuke
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 10:44:19 -0000
Subject: Re: DMC Floormats
Just wanted to say a big "Thanks!" to James for putting together the Christmas list
- I've already printed out a copy and "accidentally" left it out on the kitchen table
with a couple of things highlighted.
I also wanted to mention that while I know that DeLorean One does have great floormats,
PJ Grady sells the same design and similar quality in both black or gray for $99.50 a
pair plus shipping.
Thanks again for putting this list together, James, and for keeping DMC-News going all
year long - can't wait to see what in store for '97!
JZD in NJ
(no, not that one)
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From: James Espey
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 11:13:13 -0000
Subject: ADMIN NOTE
I manually generated this digest so that it could get into as many hands as possible
since it contains the Xmas gift lists, so if it seems a little "lighter" content-wise,
that's why.
Thanks!
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com New for '97 - http://www.dmcnews.com/
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