Wednesday, December 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 447
In this issue:
DML: Re: DeLorean Recalls
DML: Re: gas fume smell
DML: Johnny Lightening DMC
Re: DML: DMC Factory
DML: Re: Low Idle during cold start
DML: Re: gas fume smell
DML: Re: DeLorean Recalls
Re: DML: gas fume smell
DML: New DeLorean Die-Cast
DML: Fuel Filter Replacement
DML: Winter Projects for the DeLorean
DML: Impact Switch
Re: DML: Winter Projects for the DeLorean
DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
DML: Re: Fuel Filter Replacement
DML: Re: gas fume smell
Re: DML: Impact Switch
DML: No Start
DML: I built a web page
Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
DML: Palm Springs Festival of Lights
Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
Re: DML: No Start
DML: 1981 DeLorean Clock Repair
DML: Re: Impact Switch
DML: Re: Re: DeLorean Recalls
DML: Wanted Keys
Re: DML: Impact Switch
DML: Re: No Start
Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
DML: DeLorean trivia (was: White Lettering)
Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
DML: Why check? (WAS: Fuel Tank Pressure)
DML: Re: No Start
DML: Re: Re: Fuel Filter Replacement
Re: DML: Wanted Keys
Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
DML: E-Check answer
DML:Fluids
DML: HELP WITH SURVEY
DML: Limited Edition news
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:22:10 -0600 From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut(AT)postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Recalls
> If I understand correctly the DeLorean has had 2 > recalls/updates.(signified by the red and blue dots on the engine firewall) > I would like to know exactly what entails to the blue and red dot upgrade.
The updates related to the front suspension were as follows: It was discovered that the area of the frame where the sway bar brackets are attached had an 'oil can' effect when pressure was put on the sway bar during the normal movement of the front suspension. Re-enforcing plates, along with heavier mounting brackets were designed to be added to the car. At the same time the nyloc nuts used to secure the upper and lower ball joints to the spindle brackets were replaced with castelated nuts and holes were to be drilled through the ball joint studs for cotter keys. Also the nuts that secured the sway bar to the lower control arm were beefed up by adding a second nut, behind the original nut. to double the load at that joint.
The second recall involved lubricating the throttle cable, back at the throttle spool, with antifreeze. Then a sheild was installed over the throttle spool to keep water from getting to it. In cold weather the throttle could freeze and become inoperable.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:35:30 -0800 From: "Dave Price" <davep2(AT)clipper.net> Subject: DML: Re: gas fume smell
>problem however, I smell gas fumes from the front of the car. It never = >did this before. I noticed it when I filled the tank with gas for the = >first time. I never filled it up before, only had about 5 gallons in it =
That's your problem. You filled it up too much. Just don't "top it off" next time, and you shouldn't have a problem. Just put the pump in "slow" mode and when it stops itself, that's as much as you should put in.
Take care!
- - Dave
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:39:32 -0800 From: "Dave Price" <davep2(AT)clipper.net> Subject: DML: Johnny Lightening DMC
Well, finally, Johnny Lightening made a little DMC toy car, unfortunately, it's a BTTF conversion. If you're interested, I'm sure most places that sell JL toy cars will have it. It's part of a series of famous TV and movie matchbox-sized diecast cars.
Happy hunting!
- - Dave
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:36:42 EST From: ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: DMC Factory
In a message dated 11/27/98 4:35:07 PM GMT, you write:
<< "Is the Factory in Ireland still there?" i had always thought it had been torn down after the fall of DMC but now i see that the delorean event in 97 was held there! and there were driven around the test rack and stuff! so whats the story? >>
Chip, The factory contents were auctioned in May 1984 and the buildings lay vacant for some years. A French company called Montupet which manufactures cylinder heads and alloy wheels commenced production at the factory in April 1990. Another part of the former DeLorean factory is also occupied by Shorts- Bombardier who make aircraft. There have been two major DeLorean European Expos held at the factory. One in 1993, the other in 1997. The next one is scheduled for May 2001. These events give DeLorean owners and enthusiasts from around the world the opportunity to see the factory building, meet some of the original workers, and best of all drive the test track.
Robert Lamrock EURO EXPO, Belfast
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:10:04 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Low Idle during cold start
Jameel, Your idle problem is due to one of two things; Either the idle speed system or the fuel frequency valve. To check the idle speed circuit pull the plug off of the idle speed regulator while the engine is idling, if there is no change in the idle speed the problem is in this circuit. Try this test with the engine both cold and warm, let me know the results. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:14:48 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: gas fume smell
Gerald, When you inspected the fuel tank area did you pull the pump cover and look down inside the mounting boot, if not, do it know. Let me know what you find. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:24:12 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Recalls
Jar, The service recalls your talking about are suspension related, the paint marks were required by the factory for identification purposes. Most DeLoreans have had the modification work but some may have been done by owners therefore there may be no paint markings. Additionally many dealerships did the recall but did not add the paint markings. I would suggest you have a qualified DeLorean mechanic inspect the car for these modifications. If you would like copies of the recalls contact me directly. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:29:28 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: gas fume smell
On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Gerald Deutsch wrote:
> problem however, I smell gas fumes from the front of the car. It never = > did this before. I noticed it when I filled the tank with gas for the = > first time. I never filled it up before, only had about 5 gallons in it =
My guess is that you didn't properly take the car back to 1981 to fill it up. You should - the gas was cheaper then and parts more easily available too. :}
Modern gas pumps top off your tank whether you want them to or not. The owner's manual specifically says not to top off the tank, but sometimes you have no choice. This will cause some gas to spill over the top. This is a real problem on the D because then you can smell the gas as it rattles around in the luggage compartment. It should go away after a while. My only suggestion is to listen for when the tank starts to get full, then set the fuel pump nozzle on the lowest flow (or just stop filling it then). This should prevent any gas from spilling over. If you still smell the gas after a few days have gone by, especailly if you have burned a gallon or two of gas or more, then you mgiht have a bigger problem.
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:33:53 -0800 From: "Eddy Cue" <cue(AT)dnai.com> Subject: DML: New DeLorean Die-Cast
This weekend I found a Back To the Future DeLorean at FAO Schwarz. The metal die cast is a 1/63 scale from the Johnny Lightning Hollywood On Wheel series. The company is Playing Mantis. For more info (including how to order) and a picture, go to - http://www.johnnylightning.com/hollywood/index.html
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:27:19 -0500 From: Michael Pack <mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: Fuel Filter Replacement
Hello
replaced my fuel filter with a Purolater cross reference After I installed it I ran the car to check for leaks and then finished up. When I tried to restart the car about 1/2 hour later, it would not start. Any Ideas= to fix? In addition I noticed that my Lambda sensor was disconnected at the connection infront of the drivers rear wheel. The wheel needs to be removed to see it. I guess that a rock flew up and hit it. Check yours out. Thanks Michael Pack
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:31:55 -0500 From: David Sontos <sontos(AT)ibm.net> Subject: DML: Winter Projects for the DeLorean
Now that Winter is upon us I am making up my list of projects for the DeLorean now that it will be staying in the garage for the next several months.
1. Change oil and filters in auto transmission and engine. 2. Remove front and rear facias and have them repainted at local paint shop. 3. Check frame for rust spots and sand and repaint. 4. Spare tire has dry rot, get new one. Need to check local tire shop. 5. Finish installing new fuel injectors in cylinders 1 & 2 now that I have the new injector seals. 6. Replace the rubber door seals. 7. Tighten cooling system hose clamps and pressure check. 8. Check brake pads. 9. Adjust drivers door latch mechanism so I can open the door from the outside. 10. Figure out some way to keep the rear interior light from always falling out. 11. Install a diode in the clock circuit to keep it from resetting every time I turn on the AC.
I hope this list sparks some ideas for other owners and maybe add some ideas of there own.
Dave Sontos VIN 02573
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:01:32 -0500 From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219(AT)one.net> Subject: DML: Impact Switch
For the second time in the past three years I have suffered a melt down in the impact switch. At $40.00+ a crack this is getting expensive---not to mention embarrassing.
I was in a McDonalds drive through this last time that it quit. There I was with my coffee & egg McMuffin & the thing wouldn't start. Thank JZD for the foresight to have the doors open in such confined spaces! I managed to roll the car into a parking space & contemplate the situation while having breakfast. Since this had happened once before I was sort of familiar with the symptoms. No fuel pump buzz when the ignition switch is first turned on. I didn't have my manuals with me (I was working in Louisville that week) & couldn't remember which pins to jumper. Lesson learned - always carry a copy of the service manual! I was able to borrow a voltmeter & sort of figure out what each pin did. I made a jumper out of some telephone wire that I had, inserted it into the pins that "looked" right...hit the key & the fuel pump buzzed merrily away. A little electrical tape to keep the jumper in place & I was outa there!!!
After the long story the short (sic) question, what fried the switch again? The only current that is handled by the switch is the fuel pump. Since I haven't heard of this happening to others on a regular basis I have to assume that there is something peculiar about my situation....any suggestions?
Richard
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:46:07 EST From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Winter Projects for the DeLorean
Hi Dave, Maybe I can help with #10. I had the same problem until I added foam door insulation to the front and rear of the light. It took two layers to create enough of a shelf to keep the light in place. You may need more or less, depending on the shrinkage. I used 3/8ths inch wide, dark gray/black tape. It seems to be working fine. Good Luck, Joe
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:53:20 -0500 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
Bill Wilson said:
> The owner's manual specifically says not to top off the tank, but > sometimes you have no choice. This will cause some gas to spill > over the top. This is a real problem on the D because then you > can smell the gas as it rattles around in the luggage compartment.
This brings up an issue that I must soon face. Is the DeLorean fuel tank really intended to be sealed so poorly? Is there nothing I can do to improve it?
Ohio's E-Check program has just added a gas tank pressure examination to its emissions test. They remove the gas cap, attach a snorkel, and pump the air out of the tank. Unless the car holds a certain vacuum pressure for a long enough time the car cannot get license plates.
I called the E-Check people, and they told me that the gas cap of every car should make a "pop" sound when it is removed. If it does not then it will probably fail the test.
My DeLorean's gas cap has never made a "pop" sound. I don't think I have ever heard one that did.
Next year my DeLorean must take this new test for the first time. Does anyone know what I can do to prepare for it?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:29:44 -0800 From: "Dave Price" <davep2(AT)clipper.net> Subject: DML: Re: Fuel Filter Replacement
> replaced my fuel filter with a Purolater cross reference >After I installed it I ran the car to check for leaks and then finished >up. When I tried to restart the car about 1/2 hour later, it would not >start. Any Ideas= to fix?
I recently replaced my fuel filter as well.. Did you try to crank for just a second, and leave the key in "run" to keep the fuel pump on for a while?
- - Dave
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:55:39 -0600 From: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com Subject: DML: Re: gas fume smell
Gerald - You probably just overfilled the tank. The smell should go away as you burn off some fuel.
Michael A. Griese Storage Software Development Manager IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:28:29 -0500 From: haldeman <haldeman(AT)fuse.net> Subject: Re: DML: Impact Switch
I had the same thing happen at the McDonalds at I-71 and Montgomery Road in Cincinnati - except I went inside to eat (never eat in your D!). When I came out, the D would not start. After an embarassing AAA haul home and the afternoon off work, I finally realized I had bumped the Inertia Switch and disabled it.
My gut feeling (no pun intended) is that the DeLorean is just too classy to be seen at McDonald's. This problem never occurs at Taco Bell.
David Haldeman
Richard Strecker wrote:
> For the second time in the past three years I have suffered > a melt down in the impact switch. At $40.00+ a crack this > is getting expensive---not to mention embarrassing. > (SNIP)
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:03:51 -0500 From: Michael Pack <mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: No Start
Hello
I replaced my fuel filter and after I started the car for about 5 minutes the damn piece of $&!% will not start again.
It will turn over and sputter for 20 seconds then quit.The car went through a $14,000 service in August of this year. New fuel system, electric system etc, etc. What should I do?
Thanks in advance Michael Pack
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:20:22 -0700 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: I built a web page
I am screaming into the 20th Century, check out my first attempt at a web page. Its nothing fancy, just original photos that were taken by me, my father-in-law and friends. Please note, that I have credited the other photographers where required. I hope that others extend the same courtesy. Enjoy the photos, I had lots of fun at all of these events. Get your cars out on the road, drive them, show them, enjoy them. Don't just let them sit in your garage and deteriorate.
Scott Mueller DMC/ Das Mueller Companies Mobile, AL 1981/002981 DOA-5031 DMCNEWS Contact me about the "Deep South DeLorean Owners Club" http://www.zebra.net/~scottmueller/Web%20Page/aaanothe.htm Remember April 3, 1999 - Camillia Classic Car Show in Mobile Alabama
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:00:35 -0500 (EST) From: William T Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Mike Substelny wrote:
> This brings up an issue that I must soon face. Is the DeLorean fuel tank > really intended to be sealed so poorly? Is there nothing I can do to > improve it?
I'm going to hazard a guess here and say that the problem is maybe not one to worry about. Rather than the problem being one of the tank leaking, I think it's one of the gas just flowing over the top. If the leakage/ spillage occurs only at the cap/mouth of the filler pipe, then it's not something to worry about as the hose they use should form a tight seal. If there is a leakage at the junction of the tank and the filler pipe, or in the tank itself, that will be a problem.
> I called the E-Check people, and they told me that the gas cap of every > car should make a "pop" sound when it is removed. If it does not then it > will probably fail the test.
They're probably assuming that the cap is one of the modern pressure kind. My '55 Jeep does NOT have a pressurized cap and does not make the popping noises, whether the tank leaks or not (it doesn't). I have also never put it through a tank pressure test (we don't have them in Colorado, and it's emission exempt anyway). My '90 Geo, however, does have a pressurized cap and it makes a giant sucking sound every time I take it off. The two kinds of caps are very easy to tell apart. The non-pressure kind fits on like the cap that holds the ball in a mouse and locks on with tabs. The pressure kind is more like a child-proof cap on a medicine bottle. I have to admit, I have absolutely no idea what building up all this vacuum in the tank is supposed to accomplish. But that's what they do.
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:57:03 -0800 From: Mike Lawrence <mlawrenc(AT)ucla.edu> Subject: DML: Palm Springs Festival of Lights
Is anyone who is going to be attending this festival going alone? If so, would you like a companion? I have no DeLorean (yet), but I would still love to go and see all the cars, the parade, put some of the DML names to faces, etc. I would be willing to pay for gas, help decorate the cars, and help out wherever I can. I go to UCLA, so if anyone in the L.A. area would be interested in this, please let me know. This would be a longtime enthusiast's dream come true! Drop me an email at: mlawrenc(AT)ucla.edu
Thanks
Mike
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:02:22 -0700 (MST) From: raddad(AT)cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
Re the Ohio gas tank pressure test:
None of my current three cars produces a "pop" when the gas cap is removed - - - however, I must admit that they are 4, 16, and 31 years old, respectively.
I'm not so sure that our tanks are "sealed so poorly". The ONLY time I have experienced fumes is when I have overfilled the tank.
Just a thought: record a "pop", hide a cassette player in the trunk and have it activated by a micro-switch which is triggered by the removal of the gas cap. If the "pop" is impressive enough, perhaps they'll pass you without the rest of the test.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:06:20 -0700 (MST) From: raddad(AT)cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: No Start
>I replaced my fuel filter and after I started the car for about 5 minutes >the damn piece of $&!% will not start again. - ---------------------------------------------
As one who doesn't believe in fixing something that isn't broken, why would you replace a fuel filter if a new fuel system was put in place in August.?
Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:33:34 -0500 From: Michael Pack <mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: 1981 DeLorean Clock Repair
Hello
I can repair the 1981 DeLorean clocks. This involves a test, clean, removal and reconnect of the points. If you would like your clock repaired please contact me via E-Mail or write to me at
Mike Pack 867 Derby Farm Dr Severn Maryland 21144 (410)551-3107
P.S. I guess this is about the only reliable piece of my car. When I'm broke down (again) I can sit in the seat and look clock and see that I'm going to be late again. LOL, LOL, LOL.
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:29:06 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Impact Switch
Richard, Any excess current in this circuit should be handled by the fuse. There was a recall notice (SC-06 7/82 No. RA-0003) involving all 81 model year cars and 82's up to Vin 11127 which required relocation and replacement of the inertia switch due to a manufacturing defect. It may be possible that both of your switches were the early defective versions. Check with your supply source for details. And yes, it is very wise to keep a copy of your service manual in your car. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:40:41 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Re: DeLorean Recalls
Bruce, FYI in addition to the two recalls that you accurately described there was also a third recall (RC-003 #82V-030) which concerned the inertia switch. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:37:40 -0500 From: Michael Pack <mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: Wanted Keys
Hello Sender: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
I'm looking for a set of Keys for my car. My car is an early 1981 with the 2 key system. Door key ahs the little flashlight and the ignition key is the standard type.
Please let me know if anyone has a set, or one of the blanks for sale.
Sincerely Michael Pack
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:19:47 -0500 From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219(AT)one.net> Subject: Re: DML: Impact Switch
Maybe, just maybe, it's the McDonalds that's causing the problem......
I did check the switch to see if it had been tripped accidently & that seemed OK. The engine had died a couple of times while I was sitting in line but had restarted, it wasn't until I was actually at the window that it went totally dead. (Fumes from the fries?)
Does anyone have an idea of the normal current draw for the fuel pump?
Richard
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:06:00 -0700 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Re: No Start
Mike, Is the fuel pump running? Read the post from a few days ago that DMCJOE wrote about checking the RPM relay. We need more clues to help determine what is going on.
Scott Mueller DMC/ Das Mueller Companies Mobile, AL 1981/002981 DOA-5031 DMCNEWS Contact me about the "Deep South DeLorean Owners Club" http://www.zebra.net/~scottmueller/Web%20Page/aaanothe.htm Remember April 3, 1999 - Camillia Classic Car Show in Mobile Alabama
Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 11:23 PM Subject: DML: No Start
>Hello > >I replaced my fuel filter and after I started the car for about 5 minutes >the damn piece of $&!% will not start again. > >It will turn over and sputter for 20 seconds then quit.>Michael Pack
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:52:20 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
How can a state test a car for a requirement it was never designed to pass??
With New Jersey installing the new Dyno emission testing, this has been a thorn in my side for some time.
Mike Substelny wrote:
> Ohio's E-Check program has just added a gas tank pressure examination > to its emissions test. They remove the gas cap, attach a snorkel, and > pump the air out of the tank. Unless the car holds a certain vacuum > pressure for a long enough time the car cannot get license plates. > > I called the E-Check people, and they told me that the gas cap of every > car should make a "pop" sound when it is removed. If it does not then it > will probably fail the test.
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:52:35 -0500 From: Michael Pack <mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: DeLorean trivia (was: White Lettering)
Hello
>While the subject of the Bumpers is up, I was the person in Belfast who >asked the DeLorean engineer Mike Loasby about the bumpers and why some >where painted white. This was during the tech seminar. Mr. Joe Murry and >his lovely wife Eileen of Twinbrook interjected and said that he was the >man responsible for the paint of the bumpers. Scott Mueller, James Espey >and Chris Rabiles were with me when we were trying to figure out the >differences between the VIN numbers with Mr. Loasby, and this was one of >the hundreds that we asked.
In addition It has been said, and there is a report that a major stockholder and board of director of General Motors (circa DeLorean Saga) is Sir Dennis Thatcher. Husband to Former Prime Minister Margaret Thacher. You Figure it out, but don't quote me on it, that would be a "confict of interest". Do some research.
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:40:43 EST From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
To follow up on Dick's comments: I just had my car smogged here in Los Angeles, the birthplace of the air police, and for the first time that I can remember, they took off the gas cap and pressure tested it on some kind of tube. The cap passed with flying colors, as did the rest of the car. I was thrilled as I drove home....behind a Muni Bus belching diesel fumes into my gas cap pristine air. Good hunting, Joe
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 14:36:38 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: DML: Why check? (WAS: Fuel Tank Pressure)
They want to reduce the emissions caused by gas vapor leaking from the tank..
In New Jersey, there is some junk they put in the gas in the summer to reduce the "Evaporation" of gasoline in to the air. In the winter, they put the oxygenated junk in, and remove the evaporation junk.
William T Wilson wrote: > > pressure kind is more like a child-proof cap on a medicine bottle. I have > to admit, I have absolutely no idea what building up all this vacuum in > the tank is supposed to accomplish. But that's what they do.
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:41:08 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: No Start
Michael, Have no fear I'll get you going again, here is what to do first. Connect a 12V tester between ground and the white/purple wire that runs into the RPM relay, crank the car and watch the light, let me know what happens. Please email me directly. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:46:27 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Re: Fuel Filter Replacement
Dave, This is a good suggestion in theory, unfortunately the RPM relay is designed to shut the fuel pump off after three seconds if the engine is not running. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
- ---------- > > > replaced my fuel filter with a Purolater cross reference > >After I installed it I ran the car to check for leaks and then finished > >up. When I tried to restart the car about 1/2 hour later, it would not > >start. Any Ideas= to fix? > > > I recently replaced my fuel filter as well.. Did you try to crank for > just a second, and leave the key in "run" to keep the fuel pump on > for a while? > > - Dave
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:50:46 EST From: Jimbo0946(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Wanted Keys
In a message dated 12/1/98 1:25:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu writes:
<< 'm looking for a set of Keys for my car. My car is an early 1981 with the 2 key system. Door key ahs the little flashlight and the ignition key is the standard type.
Please let me know if anyone has a set, or one of the blanks for sale. >>
I ordered a set of key blanks from Lee Seiler who remakes them for $20 for two. They look and work great. His email address is Iseiler(AT)radiance.com. Hope you don't mind Lee for giving out your email address.
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:55:03 EST From: Jimbo0946(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Fuel Tank Pressure (was gas fume smell)
In a message dated 12/1/98 1:24:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, fluffy(AT)snurgle.org writes:
<< I'm going to hazard a guess here and say that the problem is maybe not one to worry about. Rather than the problem being one of the tank leaking, I think it's one of the gas just flowing over the top. If the leakage/ spillage occurs only at the cap/mouth of the filler pipe, then it's not something to worry about as the hose they use should form a tight seal. If there is a leakage at the junction of the tank and the filler pipe, or in the tank itself, that will be a problem. >>
I do get the gas smell everytime I put gas inn the tank, even if I do not fill it. How can you tell if the leakage is at the junction of the tank and the filler pipe? I checked underneath the spare by removing the plastic, but I did not see anything.
Thanks JimmyC
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:10:30 -0500 From: "." <jdl(AT)interax.com> Subject: DML: E-Check answer
Mike,
If you get collector plates here in Ohio, you don't need to get e-check environmental testing for your car. When you consider the cost and time savings, they are worth getting.
David Levey
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 18:51:42 -0500 From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus(AT)earthlink.net> Subject: DML:Fluids
List,
I backed the car out of the Garage, and I see a small amount of red liquid on the floor. I think, Trans leak. The next day, I went back to the car to see if it leaked anymore, and it had not. The third day I went out and there was no more trans fluid, but there was another spot of brown liquid on the garage floor. It looks like oil. Now it is only leaking a little bit (about the size of a half dollar per day), but the car only has 4800 miles on it so I was not expecting this quite yet. Any suggestions before I have a large Buffet of fluid on my garage floor? Joe P. VIN 6808
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:24:06 -0800 From: "Bradley J. Otoupalik" <otoupalik(AT)pobox.com> Subject: DML: HELP WITH SURVEY
As some of you know I am a JD/MBA student. Well, part of this great education is the chance to build a model for a better auto dealership. I could really use all of your input.
Please go to the linked site and fill out the survey.
I appreciate all of your help, and I will post the details in the coming months. Thanks,
Brad.
URL: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~otoupali/552/survey.htm
Bradley J. Otoupalik
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:46:31 -0800 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: Limited Edition news
Hello all DML members,
Limited edition News
December 98
It looks like I will begin shipping the long awaited Limited editions around Christmas.
The first 25 will be the pre-paid reservations followed by the rest of the reservation list as reservation holders answer their individual availability notice.
Sense I last made a public announcement a few things have changed , some important, some not so important and some interesting.
First and foremost the List of 100 has been set now for over a month and will not change until after the first shipments are completed, so if you are on that list of 100 you will be contacted.
To find out about payments and money stuff please check the latest post on the DMC bulletin board at: http://www.totalimmersion.com/dmcboard/
The kits have changed in the last month, and any one who feels they would like to pass on their reservation because of the changes please contact me by email at: > lseiler(AT)radiance.com<<. If you have pre-paid you will receive an instant refund no questions asked.
The Changes consist of the following:
1. The original bodies were to be a vinyl shell covered with stainless sheet, or stainless sheet with 24K Gold leaf and then brushed as the actual DMC is. This is now changed to a Resin shell covered with the stainless sheet. The reason for this is that the resin body shells are stable and unaffected by heat, easier to sand and finish and allow easy modification. The new bodies are not BTTF knock offs but made especially for the limited edition kits.
2. The original engine CVR was to be functional. This has change the current engine CVR is a single unit and does not have a movable access hatch. It is also the wrong shape! which will be corrected in an update kit available once all the kits are shipped. There is simply no time to redo this part and still start shipping this month. ( the replacement part will be included in the engine kit or FREE to any registered owner who wants the part).
3. The wheel hubs were all vinyl. Now some will be resin.
4. The door seal frame was to be fully detailed in vinyl. Now it is a resin unit and requires fitting and the rain gutter must be cut by the builder. (not hard to do!).
5. The original kits were only going to carry the reservation holders reservation number and Vin number. This is changed, the kits now have the reservation holders name lic and vin numbers in a block that states " this kit created for "...".
Some time late this week or over the weekend I will post some pictures of the final parts, the box.
Again I want to stress that this is basically a DML member project, with the point being to create a legitimate Delorean Kit and not some knock off donor parts required deal, and with the new custom made bodies and parts I think that we are just about there. At present there are 75 reservations holders that may have a change of heart and pass on executing their reservation, so in spite of the size of the stand by list, there is no reason that DML members who get on that list now could end up with a limited edition Kit. To date about 20 reservation holders have drop out, and while I have no idea how many more will do this, it won't hurt to get on the list if you would like a chance.
a Final note:
I am confronted with a singular problem which I would welcome any suggestions or comments:
Kit number 001 dedicated to JZD was not accepted by JZD. This is a very special kit as it is both a 24K Gold/or Stainless Kit it also contains personalized assembly instructions to JZD. There is also a dedication to JZD on the box cover as the First completed Kit. With out addressing the issue of acceptance The Kit is by far the singular most valuable Kit of the Limited numbered edition. The question is what should the disposition of this kit be?
1. I could sell it to the highest bidder
2. I could have some kind of contest
3. I could have James do some kind of blind radome member selection
4. I could present it to a car Museum some where
5. I could put it on the shelf and sell it to the next guy on the stand by list like any other unclaimed reservation?
6. I could bury it some where and sell treasure maps with clues to Delorean owners only
Thats it.
Notice to the list of 100 will be forth coming.
Thanks
Lee
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