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5334. .                         Corrosion
5335. PrintCentral              "Arrowless" Window Switches? - NEW STENCIL KIT!
5336. Jonathan Heslop           Re: Engine Bay Cover
5337. Marc A Levy               Re: POLL: The average age of a DeLorean owner
5338. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Re: Engine Bay Cover
5339. BRUCE BENSON              Re: Good D Leaks gas New D has problems
5340. J.D. Robbins              passenger door
5341. Jack Singer               Fuel Distributor
5342. DMC Joe                   Re: Good D Leaks gas New D has problems
5343. webmaster(AT)delorean.co.uk  POLL: Are the factory Right-hand drive cars "orig
5344. Sean Howley               Re: Engine Bay Cover
5345. Sean Howley               Engine cut-off under hard braking
5346. Jonathan Heslop           engine heater
5347. Jonathan Miller           Power Windows & Parking brake
5348. BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com        Re: contact cleaner
5349. Ryan Bennett              Battery strap
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From: "." <jdl(AT)interax.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:53:26 -0500
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Subject: [DML] Corrosion
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Would naval jelly work on corrosion/rust by removing it?
David Levey
Cleveland

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From: "PrintCentral" <mrcopies(AT)jet2.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:38:26 -0600
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Subject: [DML] "Arrowless" Window Switches? - NEW STENCIL KIT!
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Hi Gang!
After getting a pile of great feedback from the list a month ago I decided
to go ahead with the stencil idea.
The inexpensive kits are now available!
If you're suffering from "arrowless" window switches then take a look at
www.mydelorean.com for a really easy way to repaint them.
Here's How It Works - The stencils are created from adhesive vinyl which
when applied to the top of your arrowless switch act as a paint mask. You
simply spray white paint on top of the switch, peel the sticker off and the
paint (in the shape of your original arrow) remains......Neat huh?
Price for the kits are $6 for one / $10 for two and INCLUDES shipping (first
class postage) anywhere in the world.  There's a photo instruction sheet
included with the stencils which takes you step by step through the process.
Prices are in US Dollars.
Thanks,
mike(AT)mrcopies.com
VIN#17089
Windsor, Ontario
P.S.  For a closer look of a repainted original window switch visit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=218332557

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From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag(AT)mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:14:44 -0600
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Nigel.........
Thats the first thing I had to do on my car since the bracket was broken.
For the first few weeks I used a baseball bat to prop it up.  I searched all
over St. Louis and finally for a hood prop rod made by Lisle.  It's
telescopic and spring locks hold it in place as you pull it up.  It can be
sized to fit in either corner, or right in the middle.  It also works for
the hood.  One time when I was putting gas it my D, the hood got caught by a
gust of wind, fell down, and ripped a square inch of skin off my hand--so I
ALWAYS use the prop rod or DMC umbrella just as a back up.
They're about $20-$30.  If found mine at a local parts store but they're
also at http://www.imparts.com.  My all time favorite catalog,
http://www.griotsgarage.com also has prop rods, but they're the screw and
lock type and take much longer to setup.
The problem with my cover is that the bracket ripped off the two holes in
the cover.  You can move the bracket forward or back on the piece because it
wouldn't fit right.  Has anyone been able to fabricate a piece to fit around
those ripped out holes??  I imagine it would be similar to the clip used to
hold the screens in place.
Thanks,
--Jonathan
  #000697




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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:43:37 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com>
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I think the question was DeLorean OWNER.  Are you a 13 year old Owner?? 
If so, I am impressed!

Phil F wrote:
> 
> I like the idea of a poll, BUT there are some members under 16, to tell you
> the truth I'm only 13.
> 
> -Phil
> philf(AT)ssesco.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jperkins(AT)carolina.rr.com>
> To: <dmcnews(AT)egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:24 PM
> Subject: [DML] POLL: The average age of a DeLorean owner
> 
> > Did you ever notice that DeLorean owners come in all ages?  This is a car
> that can't be stereotyped to one age class.  From young to old everyone
> seems to love the "D".  So within what age range do you fall under?
<SNIP>
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From: DMC83in99(AT)aol.com
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:11:33 EST
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine Bay Cover
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Nigel-
I had to replace my cover support when I first got mine.  I had the same 
problem this week; the body just can't seem to support continuous weight on 
it.  Let me know what you come up with, I'm eager to try something new myself
Scott
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From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut(AT)worldnet.att.net>
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>I noticed that  when I turn the key to the position just before cranking
the engine I do
> not hear the hum of the fuel pump, like I do in my 81.  If I crank the
engine, and it
>  does not turnover, I then hear the humming fuel pump for
> just a few seconds
>Joe P
The fuel pump runs through the RPM relay and needs the engine to be cranking
before it runs. It runs a few seconds and if the relay doesn't sense the
engine starting, it shuts the pump off to prevent flooding. That's why
continuous cranking isn't the right way to get fuel to the engine. Repeated
cranking with the key turned off between crankings will restart the fuel
pump each time.
Bruce Benson

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:39:38 -0800
From: "J.D. Robbins" <jrobbins(AT)brit.ca>
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I got myself into a bit of trouble.  I pulled apart my passenger's side
door to adjust my door opening actuators.  Actually, I adjusted the
tensioner rods that pull on each side of the door lock/open mechanism.
Anyways, things seemed fine, I put everything back together, ... was
great for a few days... but now I can't open the door at all.  Not with
the handle (interior or exterior), nor with the door open actuators I
installed.
What are my options?  It is really annoying only having one door,
especially with a passenger.  The nuts that hold the door lock rods in
place must have come loose and unscrewed, thus the door handle doesn't
pull the rod far enough to actuate the door mechanism.
Ideas?
J

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:50:36 -0800
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger(AT)i-c.net>
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Does anyone know if there is a rebuild kit available for the DMC fuel
distributor.  Mine was not working so I soaked it but that did not
work.  So I took it apart and the ruber gaskets were shot.  I need to
replace them or find a cheap replacement.

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From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:44:11 -0800
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Joe,
The first thing to do is determine the source of the leak. Your description
sounds as if the leak is at the fuel accumulator which is located in the
center section of the frame. If this is the case you could replace the hose
from under the car but you would need to raise it on to jack stands. If the
leak is up at the fuel tank the fuel lines can be serviced from above. If
you decide to service the fuel system yourself be sure to follow all the
precautions that are associated with fuel system service. If you are unsure
of these precautions and or are not properly equipped leave the job to a
pro.
Your directional, hazard, horn problem will require further investigation.
You can contact me directly for additional
assistance  http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/3755/help.html
The car that has the fuel pump that operates when the engine is not running
is the one that is improperly wired. The normal operation of the fuel pump
is as follows: When the key is turned to the ignition "on " position (red
dash lights lit) the fuel pump may or may not run for a few seconds. After a
those first 2-3 seconds the pump should shut down.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus(AT)earthlink.net>
To: <dmcnews(AT)egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 5:16 PM
Subject: [DML] Good D Leaks gas New D has problems
> Well I guess I bought my second delorean just in time.  I was idling my
> good 81 delorean (VIN 6808) in my drive way today, and just as I was
> telling my father how lucky we have been to not have hardly any problems
> with this D, I looked down and saw a puddle of gas.  It was dripping out
of
> the middle of the car a little bit behind the fuel tank. It does not drip
> when thae car is off, so I guess it is a hose. WOuld it be possible to
> change this hose with out have the car on a lift?  I mean could I jack it
> up and change it?  Or whould I leave this task to a more experienced
mechanic?
> Another thing.  The second D's (17167) turn signals, horn, and hazard
> switch, still wont work.  I checked fuse six. I know it is good, and I
> checked the flasher unit as well. (I put them in 6808 and they worked).  I
> there anything else I should check before I start ripping wires out of the
> car?
> One more thing.  On 17167 (1983 second D) I noticed something peculiar
> that might have something to do with its hot start problem.  I noticed
that
> when I turn the key to the position just before cranking the engine I do
> not hear the hum of the fuel pump, like I do in my 81.  If I crank the
> engine, and it does not turnover, I then hear the humming fuel pump for
> just a few seconds.  I think the previous owner, who put the engine in
> himself, may have  wired the fuel put to come on only when you crank the
> car.  This would explain why it takes slightly longer (when the car is
> cold) to start this D than my 81.  (the 83 sill wont start when its hot)
> If you are able to make sense of my incoherent rambling, then I commend
> you, and thank you for your input.
>
> Joe P.
> VIN 6808 (with fuel leak)
> VIN 17167 (with no turnsignals horn hazard signals)



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Subject: [DML] POLL: Are the factory Right-hand drive cars "original"?
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In the Fall '99 issue of DeLorean World, David Knudson of the DOA states that the factory never produced any Right-Hand Drive cars. The argument centres around David's definition of "original". The cars are all conversions, but if the conversion was done for DMC, aren't the cars "original"? For details of the correspondace between Cris Parnham of the DOC UK and David Knudsen, please visit http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/News/rhd.htm and tell us what YOU think!
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Please select one of the following:
   o Yes
   o No
   o Not Sure
by going to the following Web form:
   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=945037891953&listname=dmcnews
Thank you!

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From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi(AT)mindspring.com>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:20:01 -0500
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The previous owner of my D did this to the cover.  Because of the way he did
it, it badly cracked the cover and put a very fine crack in the louvers.  If
done correctly, this could work ok, but it is also possible to damage them
in the process.
Sean Howley
VIN#2345
> someone told me that they have made a hook and attached it the louvres
> then open the engine bay and hook it onto the louvres.  Assuming the


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From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi(AT)mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:23:34 -0500
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I am just curious about something.  In two (maybe three) instances that I h=
ave had to emergency brake my DeLorean, the engine has cut-off.  I suspect =
it is because the booster is requiring more than the engine can provide at =
idle and it cannot compensate.  Has anyone else had this problem or have an=
y suggestions on how to stop it from occurring?
Thank you,
Sean Howley
VIN#2345
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From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag(AT)mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:26:36 -0600
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Has anyone has success with an engine heater??  It's only down in the 30s
here in St. Louis now, and my D doesn't like it at all.  By January when
we're looking at much lower temps, I don't know what it'll do.
I drive mine 4 miles (7 minutes) to school every morning and by the time I
get there, I'm just getting heat out of the ducts.  It's still hesitating
after idle too.  For the first mile out of my neighborhood I run in first to
keep it from dying (automatic trans).  At the end of the 4 miles the needle
is just barely off the bottom line.
I can't go out an start it 5-10 minutes before I leave because it will die.
I have to keep a touch of pedal in there to keep it running (about 900-1100
RPMs).
It usually stays in an unheated garage and sometimes outside.  I'd really
like to try an engine heater.  There's only two in JC Whitney--one that
sticks onto the oil pan, and another that is magnetic.  Know of anyone else
who sells them??  Where's the best place in the engine compartment to place
it??  What's a fair price??
Thanks!!
--Jonathan  #000697
gatewayaag(AT)mindspring.com "gatewayaag"


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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:58:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Jonathan Miller <betaray(AT)kludge.org>
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I'm trying to see what I can do to fix my drivers side power window. It is
completely off the track, and I don't see the motor doing anything to
raise or lower the window. The motor does however hum. I can't figgure out
how to get a good look at the regulator and track to figure out what the
problem is. After I got the upper and lower trim off I got stuck. Is there
a way I can get more access? Anyone know what I should be looking for once
I get in there?
Secondly, on the only other D that I've got to play with I seem to
remember that the parking break could be pulled to a 90 degree angle. On
my car it seems to only go to abot a 45 degrees. It also doesn't hold for
anything, but I think that's just a break pad problem. I was just curious
as to which car was correct, and if it's supposed to be able to go to 90
what my problem could be. 
--
Jonathan                                   


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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:56:51 EST
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In a message dated 12/12/99 1:58:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
mark(AT)buffalochips.org writes:
<<  I *think* I've seen a tube of a gel type one too, but
 don't remember where. Boat store?? >>
I've used silicone grease on my boards (squeezed some into the connector 
after cleaning the board before reinstalling the connector).  The grease is 
nonconducting, won't short the connector, and helps to keep corrosion causing 
contaminants at bay. This approach is somtimes used on outdoor antenna 
connectors to the same end.
Burke
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From: "Ryan Bennett" <rpbennet(AT)ix.netcom.com>
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:01:40 -0800
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After browsing the archives, I've seen several people ask this questin, and
the only response I've come across involves looking at Delorean World V11,
#2 which I don't have access to. The question is:
How in blazes does the battery strap connect? I'm hoping someone can post a
photo or illustration to the vault to indicate the proper way. Or if someone
is proficient with words enough to describe it, that would be great, too.
I've been screwing with it for 2 years now (taking time out for meals, of
course) and still haven't gotten it. The previous owner couldn't figure it
out, either.
Thanks in advance,
Ryan Bennett
#01085

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