DeLorean Mailing List - May 1999 - Week #1

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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 1-May-99 2:03:24 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
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> I like "Back to black".  I think it is sold by Mothers Gold.                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> raynet@home.net wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Ok possible dumb question coming so bear with me...                                                                                                                                                                                         
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > As with any thing that sits out for a while in the sun, alot of the outer trim including mirrors, louvers, around the door locks, bumpers, and front windshield are faded.  Now the question is how to get them looking like new.  Armor All
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> I recomend that you use RustOleum paint on your trim, because it makes a completely waterproof seal around the parts.  You will, of course, want to remove any trim peices you can before you paint them.                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] window questions                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 1-May-99 1:40:45 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hey everyone, I have a few questions on my windows.  First, the drivers side window does not move at all, not even the motor when I hit the switch.  Occasionally it will briefly make a noise when I tap the switch, but that's it.  That leads
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
My second  question is about the rubber on the outside of the door that outlines the window and along the bottom of the glass.  On my D it is slightly worn in some places.  I'd like to replace it to give it that new look...what can I use to
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Any suggestions/comments appreciated!                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
sam                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Hey everyone, I have a few questions on my                                                                                                                                                                      
windows.&nbsp; First, the drivers side window does not move at all, not even the                                                                                                                                                                
motor when I hit the switch.&nbsp; Occasionally it will briefly make a noise                                                                                                                                                                    
when I tap the switch, but that's it.&nbsp; That leads me to think it's a wiring                                                                                                                                                                
problem somewhere.&nbsp; Is there a common problem with the windows?&nbsp; That                                                                                                                                                                 
might at least give me a starting point.&nbsp; Also, the passenger side window                                                                                                                                                                  
motor moves but the window is free (Must be off the track).</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                        
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>My second&nbsp; question is about the rubber on                                                                                                                                                                 
the outside of the door that outlines the window and along the bottom of the                                                                                                                                                                    
glass.&nbsp; On my D it is slightly worn in some places.&nbsp; I'd like to                                                                                                                                                                      
replace it to give it that new look...what can I use to replace that                                                                                                                                                                            
with?</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Any suggestions/comments                                                                                                                                                                                        
appreciated!</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>sam</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Delorean on ebay auction! Check it out.                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 1-May-99 6:42:00 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi everyone!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Check out the link below.                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=96073262                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Arrest Warrant...                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 1-May-99 7:44:02 +0100                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi John,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Not wishing to seem "Politically incorrect" but was this arrest warrant issued                                                                                                                                                                  
in Ireland or Britain/N.Ireland. Surely it was only the Brits that got 'stung'                                                                                                                                                                  
financially by the DeLorean saga? JZD can still go kiss the Blarney Stone if he                                                                                                                                                                 
wants, surely?!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I recall as a kid at Limavady Grammar School (20ish years ago) in                                                                                                                                                                               
History/Geography Class, how the N.Ireland Industrial policy had changed after                                                                                                                                                                  
the DeLorean experiment ... Govt. Grants would from then on concentrate on                                                                                                                                                                      
'local cottage industries' rather than big brash investments.                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I later worked for the architect who had built the factory at Dunmurray. We put                                                                                                                                                                 
forward proposals for Govt. to split it up into a number of smaller units.                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Cheers,                        IAN                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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John Dore wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> >Claude, you said:                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> >Also did anybody realize John Z. Delorean cannot go back to Ireland                                                                                                                                                                          
> > >because                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> >there is a arrest warrant for him.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Claude, its true there is a warrant for John DeLoreans arrest here in                                                                                                                                                                         
> Ireland, but that does not mean he did anything wrong - all it means is that                                                                                                                                                                  
> they think they have something on him and would like to ask him to explain                                                                                                                                                                    
> it...again                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> In the TV interview with him, produced by Robert Lamrock, John was asked by                                                                                                                                                                   
> the interviewer why he thought there was a warrant for his arrest in                                                                                                                                                                          
> Ireland. He explained that he has already been acquitted of this charge on 3                                                                                                                                                                  
> separate occasions, and since he knows he did nothing wrong, he can't                                                                                                                                                                         
> understand the arrest warrant. He also said he feels that there is no                                                                                                                                                                         
> justice in Northern Ireland, and he pointed out what happened to the                                                                                                                                                                          
> Bermingham 6 & Guilford 4 (people imprisoned and abused for crimes they did                                                                                                                                                                   
> not commit). He has a point you know. Why should he come to Ireland, and                                                                                                                                                                      
> risk spending years in jail for something he says (and I believe him) he did                                                                                                                                                                  
> not do, when his time would be much better spent working on his new car?                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I think its a huge pity the way things turned out for him in Ireland, I'd                                                                                                                                                                     
> love for him to visit me here sometime and I'd show him around, but                                                                                                                                                                           
> unfortunately that isn't going to happen....but anyway just remember, he                                                                                                                                                                      
> never did anything wrong, and imho he definately doesn't deserve that arrest                                                                                                                                                                  
> warrant.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> anyway, thats what I think about the "arrest warrant" - ridiculous!                                                                                                                                                                           
> I feel better having got that off my chest!                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Best Wishes,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> John Dore, Ireland.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Re: Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 1-May-99 3:20:32 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dan,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Yes, you are correct, you can chrome plate aluminum.                                                                                                                                                                                            
You can even chrome plastic too, but do the finish last?                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
For this very reason, why many people don't suggest or use the process of                                                                                                                                                                       
chrome plating aluminum.  Longevity is the question!                                                                                                                                                                                            
I understand that this "chroming" process for aluminum is not stable for it                                                                                                                                                                     
peels and pits faster then the surfaces that are anodized.                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Heat and temperature changes will causes an electrolysis effect between the                                                                                                                                                                     
chrome material and aluminum's surfaces -- it will be inevitable.  Chroming                                                                                                                                                                     
process requires a copper base for the chrome to start the process.  One                                                                                                                                                                        
reason why it cost so much. Second is the labor required to polish the plated                                                                                                                                                                   
finish surface.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Aluminum as a material expands and contracts faster then the chrome surface.                                                                                                                                                                    
Stress and heat also creates premature failure for the chrome plating.  Thus                                                                                                                                                                    
generating cracking and peeling.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Units that requires high tolerances and that are subjected to high stress are                                                                                                                                                                   
anodized as a choice of finish.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Anodizing and does not change the balance of the unit.  Chrome plating adds a                                                                                                                                                                   
new skin to the unit's surface which will help for the wear and tear.  For                                                                                                                                                                      
example they chrome line cylinder's wall.                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Durability and longevity is the question of realty.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have seen failure in the area of chrome plating aluminum.  Many people who                                                                                                                                                                    
understand this problem will shunt the idea of chrome plating aluminum.                                                                                                                                                                         
Unless they have UPDATED, IMPROVED or CHANGED upon this process -- forget                                                                                                                                                                       
about it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Many people feel this is not the right direction for the money to be                                                                                                                                                                            
invested.  The cost of the chrome plating aluminum process out weights the                                                                                                                                                                      
cost and the durability of anodizing.  I also personally think that chrome                                                                                                                                                                      
items that are not "done right" looks gordy and tasteless.                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kayo Ong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: tight steering                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 1-May-99 8:54:45 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Like Joe said it sounds like you have a problem with the column bushing at                                                                                                                                                                      
the bulkhead.  I manufacture replacement bushings made from tough Delrin                                                                                                                                                                        
plastic for $10.95 plus postage ($3.00 should cover it to Scotland).  They                                                                                                                                                                      
also solve most squeaks.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Darryl Tinnerstet                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Specialty Automotive                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Subject: [DML] Painted DeLoreans website                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 1-May-99 5:41:41 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi, everyone!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've started the Painted DeLoreans website at:                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Please stop by!  Only a few people have submitted pics so                                                                                                                                                                                       
far, but they are good pics!  Check out Dan's STUNNING black                                                                                                                                                                                    
and gold DeLorean!                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If you've taken pictures of a painted DeLorean and would like                                                                                                                                                                                   
to see them on the site, please e-mail them to me, along with                                                                                                                                                                                   
a note granting me permission to post them.  Let's make this                                                                                                                                                                                    
site a really good collection of "DeLoreans in Color!"                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DOA# 4977                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
VIN# working on it...                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: chrome wheels, Bricklins                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-May-99 9:52:22 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
So, Kayo, you can't chrome plate aluminum?  That's going to come as a                                                                                                                                                                           
surprise to the people out there who do that for a living.  Sometimes I                                                                                                                                                                         
really have to wonder about the stuff I read on here.  Anyway, for what it                                                                                                                                                                      
is worth, I have had both polished and yes chromed stock wheels on my                                                                                                                                                                           
DeLoreans, and both are a huge improvement over the stock look.  I have                                                                                                                                                                         
chrome ones on my supercharged car, and prefer them because the upkeep is                                                                                                                                                                       
zero.  You just wash them and they look terrific.  If anyone is interested I                                                                                                                                                                    
can have them chrome plated, including painting between the spokes, for                                                                                                                                                                         
about $189 each, plus shipping.  The wheels must be in mint condition.  I                                                                                                                                                                       
also have a limited number of new wheels that can be chromed, for only $175                                                                                                                                                                     
more.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As for Bricklins, I had for years wanted to own one just so I could compare                                                                                                                                                                     
it to the DeLorean (and get pictures of the two, doors up, side-by-side in                                                                                                                                                                      
my driveway).  I finally got my chance - a few years ago I picked up a very                                                                                                                                                                     
low mileage car for only $4,000.  Another DeLorean owner and I were going to                                                                                                                                                                    
go halves on it, but at the last minute he chickened out.  It was a very                                                                                                                                                                        
early car, ugly Suntan color, with the AMC drivetrain.  It still had the                                                                                                                                                                        
slow hydraulic doors and some significant damage to the top of the door                                                                                                                                                                         
skins, but otherwise was quite nice.  But it was like driving a Javelin.  It                                                                                                                                                                    
also felt like a thrown-together kit car, and it got many more comments than                                                                                                                                                                    
the DeLorean ever did - only they were all negative.  The one I loved was                                                                                                                                                                       
that it "looked like a Saab eating an eight-track tape".  Anyway, it was                                                                                                                                                                        
probably the worst car I have ever owned, and after a long two months or so                                                                                                                                                                     
I was able to persuade my formally reluctant "partner" to take it off my                                                                                                                                                                        
hands.  And in keeping with my often-repeated statement of having "never                                                                                                                                                                        
lost money on a collector car" I sold it to him for exactly what I had                                                                                                                                                                          
invested in it up til then - sales tax, license, repairs, etc., rounded up                                                                                                                                                                      
to the next even dollar.  That was the best profit I ever made, because it                                                                                                                                                                      
was GONE.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Darryl Tinnerstet                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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From: DMCJOHN@SMTP (John Dore) {dmcjohn@hotmail.com}                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Subject: [DML] Re: Arrest Warrant...                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 1-May-99 10:22:33 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hey Ian,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
You're right, the warrant was issued in Britian/N. Ireland, but there is                                                                                                                                                                        
extradition between Ireland & N. Ireland (wanted people can be arrested in                                                                                                                                                                      
Ireland for crimes committed in England/N. Ireland, and vice versa, and then                                                                                                                                                                    
transported and delivered to the people who want them), so no, I don't think                                                                                                                                                                    
John could "kiss the blarney stone"! Unless of course the authorities in the                                                                                                                                                                    
North didn't know he was in the south....                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Best Wishes,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
John Dore, Ireland.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian@netvigator.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>Subject: [DML] Re: Arrest Warrant...                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 07:44:02 +0100                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Hi John,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Not wishing to seem "Politically incorrect" but was this arrest warrant                                                                                                                                                                        
>issued                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>in Ireland or Britain/N.Ireland. Surely it was only the Brits that got                                                                                                                                                                         
>'stung'                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>financially by the DeLorean saga? JZD can still go kiss the Blarney Stone                                                                                                                                                                      
>if he                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>wants, surely?!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>I recall as a kid at Limavady Grammar School (20ish years ago) in                                                                                                                                                                              
>History/Geography Class, how the N.Ireland Industrial policy had changed                                                                                                                                                                       
>after                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>the DeLorean experiment ... Govt. Grants would from then on concentrate on                                                                                                                                                                     
>'local cottage industries' rather than big brash investments.                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>I later worked for the architect who had built the factory at Dunmurray. We                                                                                                                                                                    
>put                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>forward proposals for Govt. to split it up into a number of smaller units.                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Cheers,                        IAN                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>John Dore wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> > >Claude, you said:                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> > >Also did anybody realize John Z. Delorean cannot go back to Ireland                                                                                                                                                                        
> > > >because                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> > >there is a arrest warrant for him.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Claude, its true there is a warrant for John DeLoreans arrest here in                                                                                                                                                                       
> > Ireland, but that does not mean he did anything wrong - all it means is                                                                                                                                                                     
>that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> > they think they have something on him and would like to ask him to                                                                                                                                                                          
>explain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> > it...again                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > In the TV interview with him, produced by Robert Lamrock, John was asked                                                                                                                                                                    
>by                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > the interviewer why he thought there was a warrant for his arrest in                                                                                                                                                                        
> > Ireland. He explained that he has already been acquitted of this charge                                                                                                                                                                     
>on 3                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> > separate occasions, and since he knows he did nothing wrong, he can't                                                                                                                                                                       
> > understand the arrest warrant. He also said he feels that there is no                                                                                                                                                                       
> > justice in Northern Ireland, and he pointed out what happened to the                                                                                                                                                                        
> > Bermingham 6 & Guilford 4 (people imprisoned and abused for crimes they                                                                                                                                                                     
>did                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> > not commit). He has a point you know. Why should he come to Ireland, and                                                                                                                                                                    
> > risk spending years in jail for something he says (and I believe him) he                                                                                                                                                                    
>did                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> > not do, when his time would be much better spent working on his new car?                                                                                                                                                                    
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > I think its a huge pity the way things turned out for him in Ireland,                                                                                                                                                                       
>I'd                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> > love for him to visit me here sometime and I'd show him around, but                                                                                                                                                                         
> > unfortunately that isn't going to happen....but anyway just remember, he                                                                                                                                                                    
> > never did anything wrong, and imho he definately doesn't deserve that                                                                                                                                                                       
>arrest                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> > warrant.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > anyway, thats what I think about the "arrest warrant" - ridiculous!                                                                                                                                                                         
> > I feel better having got that off my chest!                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Best Wishes,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> > John Dore, Ireland.                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> > http://homepage.tinet.ie/~johndore                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] JZD in Ireland                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 1-May-99 13:39:27 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
John I agree with you fully, furthermore as a citizen of both The Republic of                                                                                                                                                                   
Ireland and the United States, in my opinion, the cure for the "troubles" in                                                                                                                                                                    
the North is JOBS.  JZD did it properly assuring a balance of Catholic and                                                                                                                                                                      
Protestant workers and never had a problem at the plant. I believe the                                                                                                                                                                          
British Gov't made a big mistake deciding not to support DMC Ireland.  That                                                                                                                                                                     
decision not only closed a potentially viable business, but sent the message                                                                                                                                                                    
that new industry in the North is unwelcome and uninsurable.  Just my 2 cents                                                                                                                                                                   
worth!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Date: 1-May-99 14:17:19 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Neil,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
If you have a company that can reliably re-fill struts for 1/10th the price, I bet you would have a lot of business from this list and other D owners!  We all have used struts sitting around- and we all have spent hundreds if not thousands 
David Levey                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Cleveland, Ohio                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
The fact that the problem is worse in cold weather would emply that the problem is the strut  as the gas is not expanding as much as it should in the coldweather and many years has reduced the level ( I had the same thing) I got new sruts f
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Grey vinyl                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 1-May-99 20:08:34 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Anyone know of a grey vinyl source to match the grey vinyl Delorean interior?                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                   Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Car Show                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 1-May-99 20:08:25 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Entered my 81 in a car show in Winston-Salem today. very surprised to take                                                                                                                                                                      
second place in Special Interest/Race Cars. I didn't have much time this                                                                                                                                                                        
morning to prepare, took it to the car wash and Lexol'ed the seats, that was                                                                                                                                                                    
about it. It got lots of attention and questions, and a lady with a                                                                                                                                                                             
camcorder filmed it and said it would be on Forsyth County's public access                                                                                                                                                                      
TV. The car that took first was a gorgeous blue 67 Shelby 427 Cobra, so I                                                                                                                                                                       
was really shocked to even be in the same league!                                                                                                                                                                                               
This is the same show that my wife's Bricklin took second place two years                                                                                                                                                                       
ago, so now both our gullwings are show winners:^)                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] California                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 1-May-99 23:19:49 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Is there anyone in California near Victorville?  I will be out in California                                                                                                                                                                    
(all the way from Ohio)in a couple of weeks (May 17-20) and wondered if                                                                                                                                                                         
there was anyone in the area.  I will be flying out, so I wont have #16584                                                                                                                                                                      
with me.  E-mail me privately if you are in the area and maybe we can get                                                                                                                                                                       
together or chat one day.                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Thanx,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] DOC Site Update                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 2-May-99 23:35:25 +0100                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dear All,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The DeLorean Owners Club UK website has just been updated to include shots                                                                                                                                                                      
from this weekend's International Classic Motor Show at the Birmingham NEC.                                                                                                                                                                     
I was only there for a couple of hours - thanks to the other hal! I wanted                                                                                                                                                                      
to introduce Rachel to a DeLorean and that meant going to the show on her                                                                                                                                                                       
terms. Still my revenge is that a couple of the new shots on the site are of                                                                                                                                                                    
her modelling the car...                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Anyway, new pics include the Euro-spec rear tail light cluster as seen on                                                                                                                                                                       
the factory right-hand drive conversions. Also pictures of the ONLY                                                                                                                                                                             
right-hand automatic ever to leave the factory. This is the car mentioned in                                                                                                                                                                    
a post to the DML a while ago after a picture was found in a book. It also                                                                                                                                                                      
has unique side indicators to replace the running lights.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Please check out the Club Gallery and Members Cars pages.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Best Wishes,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Martin                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] my DeLorean at auction on Ebay.com                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 3-May-99 1:52:37 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dear List,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
      I just wanted to pass the information that I have decided to sell my                                                                                                                                                                      
DeLorean on the online auction house Ebay.com, due to the fact that money                                                                                                                                                                       
doesn't grow on trees and college is coming soon.  I just added it to the                                                                                                                                                                       
bidding block tonight so it won't be found in a delorean search until the                                                                                                                                                                       
update their site, so I decided the best way for people who want to buy a                                                                                                                                                                       
DeLorean was to send the URL to the people looking for a DeLorean now, so                                                                                                                                                                       
they have a chance to get their bids on the car early.                                                                                                                                                                                          
The URL is:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
         http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=99215173                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Nick                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 2-May-99 23:04:03 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The doors will tend to sag more in cold weather as they are gas charged they                                                                                                                                                                    
follow the perfect gas law equation PV=nRT which predicts as temperature                                                                                                                                                                        
decreases so does the pressure if volume is fixed. Although the usual                                                                                                                                                                           
Delorean parts dealers are the easiest to get replacement struts with a                                                                                                                                                                         
little research there are cheaper alternatives. If you are interested; you                                                                                                                                                                      
may notice that the ends unscrew from the strut, this is important, save the                                                                                                                                                                    
ends and measure the dimensions of the gas cylinder, industrial supply                                                                                                                                                                          
companies such as McMaster-Carr in southern California can replace the                                                                                                                                                                          
cylinder for considerably less than you will pay for the complete strut from                                                                                                                                                                    
a parts house. I did this for my doors, engine louvers and hood.  -Sweaty                                                                                                                                                                       
Eddy                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 7:02 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Subject: [DML] Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I have a sagging passenger door which seems to be more affected by cold                                                                                                                                                                       
> weather.  Two questions:  How do I know this is the strut and not the                                                                                                                                                                         
> adjustment, second, where is the best place to purchase door struts,                                                                                                                                                                          
> preferably heavy duty cold weather types. I read of a supplier of                                                                                                                                                                             
> similar struts but cannot find it in the archives. Thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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From: MSUBSTEL@SMTP (Mike Substelny) {msubstel@lorainccc.edu}                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] DML: Answers to Window Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 3-May-99 10:09:57 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The Raven has power window problems:                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> First, the drivers side window does not move at all, not even the                                                                                                                                                                             
motor                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> when I hit the switch.  Occasionally it will briefly make a noise when                                                                                                                                                                        
I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> tap the switch, but that's it.  That leads me to think it's a wiring                                                                                                                                                                          
problem                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> somewhere.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
This sounds like a classic window switch contact problem to me.  Your                                                                                                                                                                           
contacts are probably dirty or corroded.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Also, the passenger side window motor moves but the window is free                                                                                                                                                                            
> (Must be off the track).                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
So your passenger side must have a good switch.  The first thing to try                                                                                                                                                                         
is swapping the two switches.  If this causes your driver's side window                                                                                                                                                                         
to work then the your problem is with the contacts in the switch.  Try                                                                                                                                                                          
cleaning it (be very careful when snapping it open, don't lose any                                                                                                                                                                              
parts!).  If the contacts are really shot then you may need to find a                                                                                                                                                                           
replacement switch.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
And yes, your passenger side window is probably off of its tracks.                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
- Mike Substelny                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: chrome wheels, Bricklins                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 3-May-99 13:43:40 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Darryl,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You are right!  You can chrome aluminum.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You are a man with many experiences in this industry and you are highly                                                                                                                                                                         
respected.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
You do have may respect with the DeLorean marque.                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I guess my reply on chroming aluminum material has not reached the DML site                                                                                                                                                                     
that I sent several days ago to reply to another DMLer.  The topic was on                                                                                                                                                                       
chroming aluminum material.  Again, chroming aluminum is still a process that                                                                                                                                                                   
is not easy and not highly recommended for durability and longevity by the                                                                                                                                                                      
chromers in the industry (I checked with my chromers, can they all be wrong?                                                                                                                                                                    
I would like to know for my info.)                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Yes, you are right, many people do make a living doing so. Many people do                                                                                                                                                                       
many "other things" and sell it too, whether it is "right or wrong."  The                                                                                                                                                                       
people who do these services and may not or will not tell you all the                                                                                                                                                                           
advantages and disadvantages to these processes. (I like to see the warrantee                                                                                                                                                                   
program they offer with their services or products.)                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On a debate of a same level, but on a different subject, it is like people                                                                                                                                                                      
painting DeLorean motorcars.  It can be done.  People do it for a living too.                                                                                                                                                                   
 But let us look at the reality of painting stainless steel.  The "process                                                                                                                                                                      
and the effort" to do so is more demanding than the standard steel bodies.                                                                                                                                                                      
But it has been done. With the "modern" formulated paints that is available                                                                                                                                                                     
today, the painting of stainless steel, aluminum even flexible materials is a                                                                                                                                                                   
reality that was an impossibility many years ago.                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Many people painted their cars for the reasons they want "colors" to their                                                                                                                                                                      
cars or they could not afford to change the damaged parts.  Painting in this                                                                                                                                                                    
case was their way out.                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The world is moving very fast in the development of technologies and                                                                                                                                                                            
research.  Maybe they do have a "new" process or procedure in the chroming of                                                                                                                                                                   
aluminum.  If so, I would like to know of the company or person that can                                                                                                                                                                        
teach or inform me of the process.  Like painting of difficult materials is                                                                                                                                                                     
now a reality, maybe chroming aluminum has come to age and the "old" standard                                                                                                                                                                   
of chroming aluminum is a thing of the past?  I was always like to learn and                                                                                                                                                                    
know more.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks for the update.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kayo Ong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
#05508                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 3-May-99 20:29:41 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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> All exterior black -- front and rear bumpers, rocker sides panels, windows                                                                                                                                                                    
> trim, front windshield trim, louvers, engine cover, left and right rear                                                                                                                                                                       
> engine to window panel, front air scoop, rear exhaust skirt, rear license                                                                                                                                                                     
> plate frame, tail light assemblies and the front grill.  These areas will                                                                                                                                                                     
> require about 8 to 12 hours and 8 to 10 cans of spray paint.                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Krylon on the bumpers?  Does that really work very well?  It doesn't seem like a very flexable paint.  Has anybody actually tried it, and had good results?                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Painted DeLoreans...                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 3-May-99 16:51:14 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
snip----->On a debate of a same level, but on a different subject, it is like people                                                                                                                                                            
painting DeLorean motorcars.  It can be done.  People do it for a living too.                                                                                                                                                                   
 But let us look at the reality of painting stainless steel.  The "process                                                                                                                                                                      
and the effort" to do so is more demanding than the standard steel bodies.                                                                                                                                                                      
But it has been done. With the "modern" formulated paints that is available                                                                                                                                                                     
today, the painting of stainless steel, aluminum even flexible materials is a                                                                                                                                                                   
reality that was an impossibility many years ago.  <-----snip                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kayo,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
	My car was painted back in 1981 when it was brand new at the dealer. It has not flaked off at all. The paint is still sticking and would still be in perfect condition today if it was properly maintained. Unfortunately, it was left outside 
	By the way, my car wasn't painted because it was hit, it was painted this color scheme beacause of some famous or semi-famouse car racer back then who used those colors on his race cars. That's all I know. I would like to find out more, bu
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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john yerskey/ bill winegard in Dallas,Tx .  We are trying to organize a Southwest Delorean owners get-to-gether looking for any owners in tx,ok,la,nm,ar, that we can contact to try and have a meeting possible organize club ( centered in Dal
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<DIV><FONT size=2>john yerskey/ bill winegard in Dallas,Tx .&nbsp; We are trying                                                                                                                                                                
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tx,ok,la,nm,ar, that we can contact to try and have a meeting possible organize                                                                                                                                                                 
club&nbsp;( centered in Dallas.?) Stephen Wynne said he would&nbsp; love to see                                                                                                                                                                 
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Subject: [DML] Re: chrome wheels, Bricklins                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 3-May-99 17:19:00 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In a message dated 5/3/99 9:36:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,                                                                                                                                                                                     
darryl@techline.com writes:                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
<<                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
 As for Bricklins, I had for years wanted to own one just so I could compare                                                                                                                                                                    
 it to the DeLorean (and get pictures of the two, doors up, side-by-side in                                                                                                                                                                     
 my driveway).  I finally got my chance - a few years ago I picked up a very                                                                                                                                                                    
 low mileage car for only $4,000.  Another DeLorean owner and I were going to                                                                                                                                                                   
 go halves on it, but at the last minute he chickened out.  It was a very                                                                                                                                                                       
 early car, ugly Suntan color, with the AMC drivetrain.  It still had the                                                                                                                                                                       
 slow hydraulic doors and some significant damage to the top of the door                                                                                                                                                                        
 skins, but otherwise was quite nice.  But it was like driving a Javelin.  It                                                                                                                                                                   
 also felt like a thrown-together kit car, and it got many more comments than                                                                                                                                                                   
 the DeLorean ever did - only they were all negative.  The one I loved was                                                                                                                                                                      
 that it "looked like a Saab eating an eight-track tape".  Anyway, it was                                                                                                                                                                       
 probably the worst car I have ever owned, and after a long two months or so                                                                                                                                                                    
 I was able to persuade my formally reluctant "partner" to take it off my                                                                                                                                                                       
 hands.  And in keeping with my often-repeated statement of having "never >>                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On the Bricklin issue,I must say as in any car there are always lemons,and                                                                                                                                                                      
you happened to get the lemon in the pack,there are also Deloreans that are                                                                                                                                                                     
lemons,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
I happen to own two Bricklins,and I love them as much as I like my                                                                                                                                                                              
Deloreans,just because you had a bad experience with one Bricklin,don't make                                                                                                                                                                    
it sound as if all Bricklins are cobbled together cars,you must remember,as                                                                                                                                                                     
with any older sports                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
car it depends on how well the pervious owners abused or how well they took                                                                                                                                                                     
care of the car,a friend of mine just bought a Porsche 928(                                                                                                                                                                                     
1979)(62,000miles)and the car looks and runs better than a new Porsche,I have                                                                                                                                                                   
seen and driven abused Deloreans                                                                                                                                                                                                                
and let me tell you,when a Delorean is abused and negeleted,it is no better                                                                                                                                                                     
off than a abused Bricklin.Don't put down a perticular car unless you have                                                                                                                                                                      
more than one experience and years(at least 5years)with ownership of that car                                                                                                                                                                   
to qualify you to put down that perticular car.And I have had a minimum                                                                                                                                                                         
ownership of both the Delorean and the Bricklin 18 years.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Claude                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Bricklin Vin# 1024 /1136                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Delorean 000570 / 05688                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Car Show in Charleston, SC                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 3-May-99 17:25:29 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The British Car Club of Charleston, South Carolina is having its annual Car                                                                                                                                                                     
Show on June 5 at Charlestown Landing.  I emailed the person in charge, and                                                                                                                                                                     
they seemed very interested in having a DeLorean at the show.  I just wanted                                                                                                                                                                    
to let everyone know in case any of you wanted to go too.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Michael Carnell is the contact person at (843)-766-9226                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Fax (843)-720-1277                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Their web address is                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
www.palmettobug.com/bcc                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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I hope to see some of you there.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: No Subject                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 3-May-99 17:26:28 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
just how much are you all paying for struts over there?                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: No Subject                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 3-May-99 17:29:29 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
David ,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I will look the address out for you all this weekend and post it on the board                                                                                                                                                                   
(it really was THAT cheap)                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
on another point has anyone got a new steering wheel going cheap?                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Townsend TN show                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 3-May-99 17:35:05 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
A great thanks to the 4 other Delorean owners who made the show. We had 5 D's                                                                                                                                                                   
and were given a class of our own. Sean H. (1st), Joe P. (2nd) and Scott M.                                                                                                                                                                     
(3rd). It is always good to meet other owners and exchange a few stories. Bob                                                                                                                                                                   
and Vicki Miller made the 6+ hour to attend. Thanks again to all those that                                                                                                                                                                     
made it. See you again next year.                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Townsend show part 2                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 3-May-99 17:54:04 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I was just sent a site link that has the photo of the 5 D's at the Townsend                                                                                                                                                                     
show, if you are interested it is                                                                                                                                                                                                               
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Zoo/1987/townsend.html">Townsend                                                                                                                                                                    
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Subject: [DML] Engine Vent Cover Hinge                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 3-May-99 19:56:22 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I was wondering if anyone knows of the best fix for the following problem.  I                                                                                                                                                                   
have searched the back issues but not a found a related post.  On the engine                                                                                                                                                                    
vent cover there are two hinge brackets.  There are two bolts on each bracket                                                                                                                                                                   
that bolt to the engine vent cover.  one of my bolts came off when I was                                                                                                                                                                        
snugging up the nut.  It looks like the bolt is actually only a threaded stud                                                                                                                                                                   
tacked onto the hinge bracket.  Has anyone had a similar problem where the                                                                                                                                                                      
bolt has come off the bracket?  If so I was wondering how they fixed it.  I                                                                                                                                                                     
was worried about tack welding it back on because there is such a small area                                                                                                                                                                    
to work with and also I did not want to damage the finish on the hinge.                                                                                                                                                                         
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Cimbria SS                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 3-May-99 21:11:57 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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I was looking through an old issue (DEC'81) of Car and Driver that pitted                                                                                                                                                                       
the DeLorean against 4 other cars... once done reading the headline story,                                                                                                                                                                      
I flipped through the book and found a layout on the Cimbria SS, while                                                                                                                                                                          
mostly a kit car similar to many others at that time (VW frame, fiberglass                                                                                                                                                                      
body) this one had gullwing doors and a similar shape to the bricklin                                                                                                                                                                           
while useing a rear engine design. I'm trying to get more info on this                                                                                                                                                                          
car. If possible, I'd like to find one still on the road.                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Rear rims for trade/sale                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 3-May-99 21:22:02 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I acquired a rear pair of original DeLorean rims. I am in need of a dashboard and binnacle replacement. I would be interested in a trade if someone is interested. If not, I might be interested in selling the pair so I could purchase a repla
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Painting a DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 3-May-99 21:55:41 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I am sorry, but As I search for "D" I would not consider buying a painted                                                                                                                                                                       
Delorean. The Stainless  Steel "Illusion" is exactly that - the car is                                                                                                                                                                          
Stainless Steel. I guess I am a purist, but owners who take a sabre saw and                                                                                                                                                                     
cut the dashboard to install some kickass stereo system should be executed !                                                                                                                                                                    
I could live with the updates but I believe the true value of the DeLorean is                                                                                                                                                                   
to keep it as stock as possible.  Another editorial comment!                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Painted DeLoreans...                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 3-May-99 23:38:15 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In a message dated 5/3/99 6:36:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,                                                                                                                                                                                     
Jerry1@eclipse.net writes:                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
<< ttp://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm >>                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dan,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Two questions.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
First, are the rims that are in pictures the original rims and the same as                                                                                                                                                                      
the ones that are issued with all DeLoreans from the factory?                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Second, what is that sticker or plate that is on front fenders just before                                                                                                                                                                      
the doors?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It is hard to tell from the pictures on your web site.                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Blown Fuse, help!                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 3-May-99 22:41:27 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I was driving the D lastnight and I noticed a funny smell.  I took it                                                                                                                                                                           
home and forgot about it.  I took it out the next day and not a mile                                                                                                                                                                            
down the way it died.  I tried to start it but it wont stay running.  It                                                                                                                                                                        
will fire for a sec or two but when I hit the gas it dies.  I opened the                                                                                                                                                                        
fuse box behind the passenger seat and instantly remembered the funny                                                                                                                                                                           
smell.  There was a 20A glass fuse in a white holder that had melted.                                                                                                                                                                           
The original fuse box has a melted fuse slot (w/o a fuse in it) on the                                                                                                                                                                          
top middle row.  Could this be a workaround for the melted fuse box                                                                                                                                                                             
slot?  I assume this is for the fuel pump?  I havent had a chance to                                                                                                                                                                            
replace the fuse yet but if I do I still want to know why it got so hot.                                                                                                                                                                        
Any help?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thank you,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Brad.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 4-May-99 9:26:29 +0100                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
No! Wait!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DON'T use Back to Black!  Unless you live in the land of permanent                                                                                                                                                                              
sunshine!  I put B2B on my D last Summer and it looked great...until it                                                                                                                                                                         
rained.  Every shower caused it to run down the side of the car (from                                                                                                                                                                           
the plastic panels behind the windows).  It took ages to get off and for                                                                                                                                                                        
every time I got caught in rain there was a furious scrubbing session to                                                                                                                                                                        
follow!  Even now there's a faint mark where it's legacy lives...                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Be Warned!  Especially if you live in the UK!!                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Rusk                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From:	Marc A Levy [SMTP:malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com]                                                                                                                                                                                            
> Sent:	Friday, April 30, 1999 10:37 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> To:	dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject:	[DML] Re: DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I like "Back to black".  I think it is sold by Mothers Gold.                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> raynet@home.net wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Ok possible dumb question coming so bear with me...                                                                                                                                                                                         
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > As with any thing that sits out for a while in the sun, alot of the                                                                                                                                                                         
> outer trim including mirrors, louvers, around the door locks, bumpers,                                                                                                                                                                        
> and front windshield are faded.  Now the question is how to get them                                                                                                                                                                          
> looking like new.  Armor All only does so much and rinses off in the                                                                                                                                                                          
> rain.  Is there something I can put on to restore them or should I                                                                                                                                                                            
> just paint them...  Ideas and suggestions are welcome...                                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 4-May-99 10:43:55 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I may have goofed up the product names.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The "Back to Black" product I think is used by some to make the tires                                                                                                                                                                           
black again.  This is NOT what I used.  It kinda looks like black                                                                                                                                                                               
paint.  I did buy it, but never used it.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The product I did use is something I had laying around for a while.  It                                                                                                                                                                         
may have been "Black Chrome", or something like that.  Recently, Mothers                                                                                                                                                                        
Gold has a similar product they sell.  I purchased it this weekend, but                                                                                                                                                                         
have not tried it yet.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The product I used holds up well in the rain, and does not leave any                                                                                                                                                                            
drips.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Russell Hughes wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> No! Wait!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> DON'T use Back to Black!  Unless you live in the land of permanent                                                                                                                                                                            
> sunshine!  I put B2B on my D last Summer and it looked great...until it                                                                                                                                                                       
> rained.  Every shower caused it to run down the side of the car (from                                                                                                                                                                         
> the plastic panels behind the windows).  It took ages to get off and for                                                                                                                                                                      
> every time I got caught in rain there was a furious scrubbing session to                                                                                                                                                                      
> follow!  Even now there's a faint mark where it's legacy lives...                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Painted DeLoreans...                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 4-May-99 10:49:01 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kayo,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
	They are the factory original rims. They are just painted. The sticker you are referring to is actually the "DMC" logo airbrushed on the fender. Also, it's not my website. It's Brian Henderlong's. He deserves the credit. It's a nice site. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: 	KayoOng@aol.com[SMTP:KayoOng@aol.com]                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Sent: 	Monday, May 03, 1999 11:38 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                            
To: 	dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Subject: 	[DML] Re: Painted DeLoreans...                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In a message dated 5/3/99 6:36:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,                                                                                                                                                                                     
Jerry1@eclipse.net writes:                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
<< ttp://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm >>                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dan,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Two questions.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
First, are the rims that are in pictures the original rims and the same as                                                                                                                                                                      
the ones that are issued with all DeLoreans from the factory?                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Second, what is that sticker or plate that is on front fenders just before                                                                                                                                                                      
the doors?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It is hard to tell from the pictures on your web site.                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 4-May-99 10:57:34 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Michael,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Re-gassed struts will never perform as wall as new units.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Michel Poulin <mpoulin@poulincomm.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 12:54 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> WHERE? I've got 4 struts that needs to be brought back to life, two door                                                                                                                                                                      
> and two louver. (sp)                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: Structural Question:                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 4-May-99 11:08:16 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Steve,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
The entire roof section is reinforced with steel, the factory refereed  to                                                                                                                                                                      
this as the "roof cage" or "spider".                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Jus4sho@aol.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Structural Question:                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 2:27 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I am in the process of installing a windshield in my D when I  took note                                                                                                                                                                      
of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> just how thin the A pillar and windshield frame were and how little                                                                                                                                                                           
support                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> this part has.  I was wondering if anyone knows if there's any metal                                                                                                                                                                          
> reinforcement inside the fiberglass or is it just the 'glass?  Just                                                                                                                                                                           
curious.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 4-May-99 11:11:42 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Raymond,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Krylon semi-flat black spray paint will return all of those parts back to                                                                                                                                                                       
there factory finish. The paint will also eliminate the need for constant                                                                                                                                                                       
applications of Armor All type products.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                           
> Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 5:34 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Ok possible dumb question coming so bear with me...                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> As with any thing that sits out for a while in the sun, alot of the outer                                                                                                                                                                     
trim including mirrors, louvers, around the door locks, bumpers, and front                                                                                                                                                                      
windshield are faded.  Now the question is how to get them looking like                                                                                                                                                                         
new.  Armor All only does so much and rinses off in the rain.  Is there                                                                                                                                                                         
something I can put on to restore them or should I just paint them...                                                                                                                                                                           
Ideas and suggestions are welcome...                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Subject: [DML] Re: AC Accumulator                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 4-May-99 11:30:25 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Check out a unit for an 84 corvette. We don't have any direct experience                                                                                                                                                                        
with this unit but our crossover database indicates that it fits. I assume                                                                                                                                                                      
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> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] AC Accumulator                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 2:40 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I am looking for an old style AC accumulator.  This being the one with                                                                                                                                                                        
> the return hose at the bottom.  Yes, I tried Houston and am contacting                                                                                                                                                                        
> PG Grady as well. If you know of a source and perhaps a price, please                                                                                                                                                                         
> let me know.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cimbria SS                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 4-May-99 11:44:40 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
In-reply-to: <PINE>.LNX.3.95.990503210555.21674A-100000                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On 04-May-99 Michel Poulin wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I was looking through an old issue (DEC'81) of Car and Driver that pitted                                                                                                                                                                     
> the DeLorean against 4 other cars... once done reading the headline story,                                                                                                                                                                    
> I flipped through the book and found a layout on the Cimbria SS, while                                                                                                                                                                        
> mostly a kit car similar to many others at that time (VW frame, fiberglass                                                                                                                                                                    
> body) this one had gullwing doors and a similar shape to the bricklin                                                                                                                                                                         
> while useing a rear engine design. I'm trying to get more info on this                                                                                                                                                                        
> car. If possible, I'd like to find one still on the road.                                                                                                                                                                                     
>  -=mike=-                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I looked at one of these while I was car shopping, before I                                                                                                                                                                                     
bought my DeLorean.It was built on a 1968 or 69 Porsche frame,                                                                                                                                                                                  
with a 1972 911 Porsche engine. The car was FAST, and handled                                                                                                                                                                                   
well, but the brakes were pretty bad. Whoever built it had used                                                                                                                                                                                 
drum brakes on all wheels, and on top of that I they needed some                                                                                                                                                                                
work.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It had a very kit car feel to it. Since this is the only one I've                                                                                                                                                                               
seen close up, I don't know how much of that was due to design                                                                                                                                                                                  
and how much to the workmanship of the builder. The seats and                                                                                                                                                                                   
armrests are basically cushions resting on the floor. There was a                                                                                                                                                                               
separate switch for raising and lowering the headlights, and they                                                                                                                                                                               
moved rather slow. The outside door handles are just recesses                                                                                                                                                                                   
into the fiberglass, with little metal pushbuttons to open the                                                                                                                                                                                  
doors.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The DeLorean is more finished, comfortable, has better visibility                                                                                                                                                                               
(especially out the back), and of course has the stainless steel                                                                                                                                                                                
body. The Cimbria has more wow factor in its performance (though                                                                                                                                                                                
I don t know about the VW powered ones).                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Basically, I think the DeLorean is more nice car, and the Cimbria                                                                                                                                                                               
is more toy.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: window questions                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 4-May-99 12:38:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Sam,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Your driver side problem may be related to a bad window switch. Exchange                                                                                                                                                                        
the switches and see what happens. If there is still no response than you                                                                                                                                                                       
probably have a defective motor. There rarely are problems with the window                                                                                                                                                                      
control wiring but to be sure you will have to go inside the door to be                                                                                                                                                                         
sure there is proper connections to the motor.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
All the factory specification window moldings and seals are available from                                                                                                                                                                      
DeLorean parts suppliers.                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: The Raven <scommara@geocities.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                        
To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Subject: [DML] window questions                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 1:40 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hey everyone, I have a few questions on my windows.  First, the drivers                                                                                                                                                                         
side window does not move at all, not even the motor when I hit the switch.                                                                                                                                                                     
 Occasionally it will briefly make a noise when I tap the switch, but                                                                                                                                                                           
that's it.  That leads me to think it's a wiring problem somewhere.  Is                                                                                                                                                                         
there a common problem with the windows?  That might at least give me a                                                                                                                                                                         
starting point.  Also, the passenger side window motor moves but the window                                                                                                                                                                     
is free (Must be off the track).                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
My second  question is about the rubber on the outside of the door that                                                                                                                                                                         
outlines the window and along the bottom of the glass.  On my D it is                                                                                                                                                                           
slightly worn in some places.  I'd like to replace it to give it that new                                                                                                                                                                       
look...what can I use to replace that with?                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Any suggestions/comments appreciated!                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Car Show                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 4-May-99 12:44:26 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
yugoman,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Congratulations on your second place winning. Your experience bares out a                                                                                                                                                                       
fact that  owners should always enter there DeLorean's in car shows. We                                                                                                                                                                         
have found that winning some type of an award is almost always a sure                                                                                                                                                                           
thing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: yugoman <mdrig@email.msn.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Car Show                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 8:08 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Entered my 81 in a car show in Winston-Salem today. very surprised to                                                                                                                                                                         
take                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> second place in Special Interest/Race Cars. I didn't have much time this                                                                                                                                                                      
> morning to prepare, took it to the car wash and Lexol'ed the seats, that                                                                                                                                                                      
was                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> about it. It got lots of attention and questions, and a lady with a                                                                                                                                                                           
> camcorder filmed it and said it would be on Forsyth County's public                                                                                                                                                                           
access                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> TV. The car that took first was a gorgeous blue 67 Shelby 427 Cobra, so I                                                                                                                                                                     
> was really shocked to even be in the same league!                                                                                                                                                                                             
> This is the same show that my wife's Bricklin took second place two years                                                                                                                                                                     
> ago, so now both our gullwings are show winners:^)                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Subject: [DML] Re: Blown Fuse, help!                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 4-May-99 17:09:59 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
In-reply-to: <372E6C67>.3ED7                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> I was driving the D lastnight and I noticed a funny smell....There                                                                                                                                                                            
 was a 20A glass fuse in a white holder that had melted.                                                                                                                                                                                        
> The original fuse box has a melted fuse slot (w/o a fuse in it) on the                                                                                                                                                                        
> top middle row.  Could this be a workaround for the melted fuse box                                                                                                                                                                           
> slot?  I assume this is for the fuel pump?  I havent had a chance to                                                                                                                                                                          
> replace the fuse yet but if I do I still want to know why it got so hot.                                                                                                                                                                      
> Any help?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Yes, the white fuseholder is someone's workaround for the melted fuse.                                                                                                                                                                          
 I believe this is the fuel pump fuse AND something else, my books are at                                                                                                                                                                       
 home. This brings up a common maintenance tip that is worth repeating.                                                                                                                                                                         
It is a good idea to routinely take all of the fuses and relays out                                                                                                                                                                             
(one at a time!!) and clean the sockets with a small burnishing tool,                                                                                                                                                                           
and clean the fuse/relay contacts with emory cloth, or better yet just                                                                                                                                                                          
replace the fuses - they're cheap. Depending on your climate, every year                                                                                                                                                                        
 or two should be plenty. Corrosion of the contacts causes high reistance,                                                                                                                                                                      
 which is why the fuse will heat up and melt but not blow. The current                                                                                                                                                                          
is within ratings, but the high resistance heats everything up. I'm not                                                                                                                                                                         
 sure why but the top center fuse seems to always be the first to go. It                                                                                                                                                                        
must be run at pretty close to 20 amps, where most fuses are more over-rated                                                                                                                                                                    
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Subject: [DML] Re: Painting a DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 4-May-99 13:10:03 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
For the most part, I agree with not painting and modifying a rare vehicle                                                                                                                                                                       
like the Delorean, but there are other factors to be considered.  Since the                                                                                                                                                                     
production life of the D was so short, everyone recognized the collectability                                                                                                                                                                   
early and relativey few were customized.  We therefore were denied the                                                                                                                                                                          
experience of seeing the true potential of the car at the hands of creative                                                                                                                                                                     
and talented enthusiasts.  Also I believe that the fact that the cars showed                                                                                                                                                                    
no individuality (no options to really set their D apart from others),                                                                                                                                                                          
something preferred by Americans in their automobiles, was a significant                                                                                                                                                                        
factor in the low sales numbers.  (Wasn't there a fender or something found                                                                                                                                                                     
in the Delorean factory where they were testing paints?  Hmmm.  Sounds like                                                                                                                                                                     
they knew it too.)  I am in no way saying that everyone should run out and                                                                                                                                                                      
paint their Delorean.  If you're among the lucky ones to have a perfect body,                                                                                                                                                                   
then count yourself lucky, take care of your car and preserve the history.                                                                                                                                                                      
But for those who have purchased previously painted ones, or have some body                                                                                                                                                                     
damage and dont want to or can't afford to replace the panels, go ahead and                                                                                                                                                                     
express yourself!  The guys with the perfect cars pretty much have their                                                                                                                                                                        
hands tied, but you have a clean slate!  In my opinion, the Delorean has a                                                                                                                                                                      
tremendous amount of character on which to build.  Be wild or be mild, but                                                                                                                                                                      
please be tasteful.  ( I think we've all seen at least one good example of                                                                                                                                                                      
what happens when you strap everything from K-Mart's automotive department                                                                                                                                                                      
onto a Delorean and it wasn't pretty.)  So keep up the customizations and                                                                                                                                                                       
modernizations!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Purist or Painter?  There's room for us both!                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
And to the guy who started the painted Delorean site:  Keep it up!  I'll send                                                                                                                                                                   
you photos when mine's ready!                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
(The D I'm building should hit the road next summer and it will be both                                                                                                                                                                         
customized and modernized...tastefully.)                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Blown Fuse, help!                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 4-May-99 13:41:14 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brad,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The owners manual has a diagram of the fuses.  You need to identify what that                                                                                                                                                                   
melted fuse is first.  Then you can better diagnose your problem.                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine Vent Cover Hinge                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: 4-May-99 14:16:49 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Gary,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
This is not totally uncommon, we have seen it happen before. The easiest                                                                                                                                                                        
fix is to drill out the existing stud and replace it with a nut and bolt.                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: DeLorean31@aol.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Engine Vent Cover Hinge                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 7:56 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I was wondering if anyone knows of the best fix for the following                                                                                                                                                                             
problem.  I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> have searched the back issues but not a found a related post.  On the                                                                                                                                                                         
engine                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> vent cover there are two hinge brackets.  There are two bolts on each                                                                                                                                                                         
bracket                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> that bolt to the engine vent cover.  one of my bolts came off when I was                                                                                                                                                                      
> snugging up the nut.  It looks like the bolt is actually only a threaded                                                                                                                                                                      
stud                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> tacked onto the hinge bracket.  Has anyone had a similar problem where                                                                                                                                                                        
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> bolt has come off the bracket?  If so I was wondering how they fixed it.                                                                                                                                                                      
I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> was worried about tack welding it back on because there is such a small                                                                                                                                                                       
area                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> to work with and also I did not want to damage the finish on the hinge.                                                                                                                                                                       
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Blown Fuse, help!                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 4-May-99 14:42:20 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brad,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Good detective work ! The fuel pump fuse melt down is a common problem                                                                                                                                                                          
which is corrected with a by-pass "in line fuse". The problem is that this                                                                                                                                                                      
circuit carries high current and requires a heavy duty fuse holder, many                                                                                                                                                                        
owners and repair shops have used a standard holder. The fix is easy. Go to                                                                                                                                                                     
your local Radio Shack or auto parts store and purchase a "heavy duty" in                                                                                                                                                                       
line fuse holder. When installing the new unit be sure that your                                                                                                                                                                                
connections are tight and secure.                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: bkreisle@accessus.net                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Blown Fuse, help!                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:41 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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> I was driving the D lastnight and I noticed a funny smell.  I took it                                                                                                                                                                         
> home and forgot about it.  I took it out the next day and not a mile                                                                                                                                                                          
> down the way it died.  I tried to start it but it wont stay running.  It                                                                                                                                                                      
> will fire for a sec or two but when I hit the gas it dies.  I opened the                                                                                                                                                                      
> fuse box behind the passenger seat and instantly remembered the funny                                                                                                                                                                         
> smell.  There was a 20A glass fuse in a white holder that had melted.                                                                                                                                                                         
> The original fuse box has a melted fuse slot (w/o a fuse in it) on the                                                                                                                                                                        
> top middle row.  Could this be a workaround for the melted fuse box                                                                                                                                                                           
> slot?  I assume this is for the fuel pump?  I havent had a chance to                                                                                                                                                                          
> replace the fuse yet but if I do I still want to know why it got so hot.                                                                                                                                                                      
> Any help?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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> Thank you,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> Brad.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Re: Painted DeLoreans...                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 4-May-99 15:46:23 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dan,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks for the reply.  It is difficult to see the details on the web site.                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Since your car came from factory as new and painted, then without doubt it is                                                                                                                                                                   
officially a factory authorized painted DeLorean.  This would make it as an                                                                                                                                                                     
"acceptable" painted car by everyone that are involved with the DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                        
marque.  No contest at all.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Incidentally, yes, I know that they had paints back in the 1980s and even                                                                                                                                                                       
earlier. These paints can adhere to stainless steel and aluminum, fiberglass                                                                                                                                                                    
and etc.  One of these paints used in the early 80s was from DuPont.  It was                                                                                                                                                                    
called Imron. It is an epoxy two, if not three part paint.  I myself, like                                                                                                                                                                      
many others, we don't like the "finish" or its characteristic or its working                                                                                                                                                                    
properties. Its finish was not as good as the regular paints available.  We                                                                                                                                                                     
avoid recommending it back then.  Under desperate conditions and demands, we                                                                                                                                                                    
used it.  It was okay It did what it was formulated to do, to "Stick or                                                                                                                                                                         
Adhere" to difficult materials with avoidance to premature fading, cracking,                                                                                                                                                                    
flaking and peeling under adverse conditions.  The majority of this epoxy                                                                                                                                                                       
paint is used on aircrafts, to adhere to the aircraft's aluminum surfaces.                                                                                                                                                                      
The next time you board a commercial airliner, look at the paint that is on                                                                                                                                                                     
the aircraft.  Do you like the finish?????????  Imron is also used within the                                                                                                                                                                   
automotive and the boating industry.  If a car's surface is poorly "prep" or                                                                                                                                                                    
the wrong or poor quality painted is used.........I would like to see the                                                                                                                                                                       
results as time passes.  If the car "sits" in a "closed or controlled                                                                                                                                                                           
environment" then one needs not worry about these adverse conditions or the                                                                                                                                                                     
effects.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
If the car is on the road as a daily driven car.......be concerned about                                                                                                                                                                        
these facts.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I know the DMC would take the ultra care, the "correct" procedures and the                                                                                                                                                                      
best materials to assure the highest quality that can be obtained when they                                                                                                                                                                     
produce a painted car.  If they had If they couldn't do it, then no other                                                                                                                                                                       
non-equipped facility can!  Remember their name and reputation now resides                                                                                                                                                                      
with the car.  If I know how some of these car companies operates.  They                                                                                                                                                                        
would invest more time and money to get it "right," even at a financial lost                                                                                                                                                                    
(they would most likely charge the customer-owner anyway).                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Many DMLer have been talking about getting their cars painted.  Has anyone                                                                                                                                                                      
check the "cost" and the "time" involved in painting a DeLorean or any                                                                                                                                                                          
stainless steel or "all" aluminum body motor car?  Hint: If the cost or                                                                                                                                                                         
estimate is lower then painting a standard steel motorcar, continue                                                                                                                                                                             
searching.  If they boast about their great work, ask for some finished                                                                                                                                                                         
motorcars that they can give reference to.  I know they have improved the                                                                                                                                                                       
paint, but the workmanship and their "know how" is still in question.  Ask                                                                                                                                                                      
about their quality assurance -- their warrantee against workmanship and                                                                                                                                                                        
against premature material failures.  Unless you want to waiver your rights                                                                                                                                                                     
and overlook the warrantee.  For the money to be spent???                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dan, in either case your factory painted DeLorean as with several others out                                                                                                                                                                    
there, should be valued higher, when it comes to a collector's car.  It is                                                                                                                                                                      
the same, but different.  Enjoy it.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Special price: Yokohama AVS tires...                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 4-May-99 16:45:06 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've seen some interest in the Yokohama AVS tires in here. So, I contacted a friend of mine who said he'd offer these tires (all 4) that fit the DeLorean stock rims for $525. I understand that this is a lower cost than most places. If it is
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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I've seen some interest in the Yokohama AVS tires in here. So, I contacted a friend of mine who said he'd offer these tires (all 4) that fit the DeLorean stock rims for $525. I understand that this is a lower cost than most places. If it is
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Special price: Yokohama AVS tires...                                                                                                                                                                                             
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I've seen some interest in the Yokohama AVS tires in here. So, I contacted a friend of mine who said he'd offer these tires (all 4) that fit the DeLorean stock rims for $525. I understand that this is a lower cost than most places. If it is
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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