Tuesday, 15 October 1996 Volume 02 : Number 185
In this issue:
Craig radio features?
Re:My weekend trip to KAPAC & points in
Re: dmcnews-digest V2 #184
Re: Marc's Kapac question
re: hood latch
Springs
Book
Results from dcleaning injectors & Renault Apline GT
RE: Oil Pressure once again. Please read.
Three Years????
Re: Three Years????
Gold Delorean Pictures
Windshield Antenna Revisited
Brake squeal - make it stop!!!
Re: Squealin' brakes
Pantera in DeLorean Clothes, available!
just lock the keys in the car when you're through
Sponteneous locking
Off the face of the planet...
My Two-Faced DeLorean...
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From: Mike Substelny
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 10:49:57 -0400
Subject: Craig radio features?
CRAIG RADIO FEATURES
At Kapac I picked up a new Craig radio/cassette unit, but it
looks nothing like my old Craig radio/cassette unit. My
original radio has a built-in digital clock, even though my car
also has the center consol clock.
My old radio has *no* station preset buttons. The Kapac
radios all have presets.
I used to think the only radios in DeLoreans were Craigs (like
mine) and ASIs. Now it seems that my original radio is
some kind of odd-ball. Does anyone else have the Craig
radio/cassette with a clock and no presets?
- -Mike Substelny
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From: malevy@lucent.com
Date: 9 Oct 96 14:39:52 +0100
Subject: Re:My weekend trip to KAPAC & points in
>If anyone wants more details, just email me!
Yea, Why did'nt I get invited?!
Marc
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From: Jason Jesseph
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:20:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: dmcnews-digest V2 #184
You have the incorrect email address please stop sending me email
- --
Jason Jesseph
Technical Support
Passport ISP
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From: Mike Substelny
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 17:06:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Marc's Kapac question
Marc asked (about the Kapac tour):
>Yea, Why did'nt I get invited?!
Marc, I have been told that word was sent to the DOA to
please mention the Kapac tour on the event calendar in
DeLorean World. Unfortunately the issue featuring the tour
would not be out until the tour was over. Kapac also
advertised it on their web page, but no one knew the page
existed until Marvin Katz showed it off on Saturday.
Based on the turnout, which looked to me like three times as
many people as they got last year, I would say the word
spread pretty well. I don't know for sure, but I have assumed
that Kapac wasn't ready to accommodate too many more
people this time. After all, it is a very big warehouse with
just a few employees to watch as the tour guests poke, prod
and grope millions of dollars worth of their inventory. I expect
that they would need to make extensive preparations to
handle an onslaught of hundreds of people.
Now that Kapac advertises on the web, I think they can
expect hundreds of us to make the pilgrimage for every tour
they give in the future. Next time they can be ready for the
hordes!
I believe the weekly specials that Kapac has promised to put
on the web page will be just like the "one day specials" they
offered at the tour. My advice is to check their page
frequently (www.deloreanparts.com).
The big advantage of making the trip to Ohio is the
experience. In James' words:
>". . . I was quite literally left speechless upon entering the
>warehouse. Forty thousand square feet stacked from floor
>to ceiling with nothing but DeLorean parts."
This sight is really encouraging to anyone who was worried
that DeLorean parts are running out.
BTW Jane at Kapac told me that she is a lurker at the DML
(hi Jane!). Kapac is aware of us. I deduce that they could
have announced it here if they thought they could handle any
more guests this time. Check their web page for future
announcements.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: CarlIanNew@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:47:00 -0400
Subject: re: hood latch
> regarding the broken hood latch cable problem.
If you are unable to flex the hood to reach the release, There is one other
more dramatic solution. I am not recommending this, but it is possible.
The release cable is extremely similar to a bicycle brake cable. In fact, I
replaced my inner cable with a mountain bike cable, which is stonger.
You could conceivably crawl under the dash, carefully cut the outer housing
of the cable to expose the inner line. Yank the inner cable and open the
trunk.
You would then have to replace the entire cable (inner and outer), however,
I believe that a bicycle cable would work well here also. I do not believe
that
the cable is like the engine compartment release which is apparently more
difficult to replace just the inner cable.
Good luck
Carl Newman
DMC #1704
DOA #5138
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From: "Frederick Embden"
Date: 10 Oct 1996 13:01:13 GMT
Subject: Springs
If "Fred the DeLorean pilot" is reads this news letter, and still has access to
"lowered springs", please contact me. "notes.fembden@a50vm1.trg.nynex.com"
Thanks
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From: jason74@juno.com (Jason T Brown)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:52:23 PST
Subject: Book
I have a book that I bought and it describes a lot of cars including the
delorean. Its called"The World Of Cars" by Roy Bacon. it is in good
shape and it has a brief little paragraph on each car on certain years.
If anyone is interested please notify me I might be willing to sell it.
Jason
jason74@juno.com
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From: dstall@trib.net (D.L. Stalling)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:56:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Results from dcleaning injectors & Renault Apline GT
Another brief update on the DMC-12 restoration.
What do you say after you have cleaned your injectors?" WOW!!! I
should have done that sooner! I am really astonished at the improvement in
performance and idle. My local Bosch service center did not have an adapter
for his injector cleaner that would attach the 8mmx 1.0 threads of the
K-Jetronic injector used on the DMC-12.
READ CAUTIONS BELOW! Therefore, I assembled an injector
tester/cleaner by threading an 8mmn x 1.0 mm male end of a 1/4" pipe by
1/4" copper tubing fitting. This fitting was attached to one DMC-12
injector and tested. This modified fitting was screwed into one end of a
shut off valve that was attached to a small 1" x 6" long filter dryer
cylinder used to dry compressed air; the dryer tube had a top fitting that
screwed off to allow fluid to be added inside the tube. The second valve
was attached to a quick disconnect air fitting. The dryer originally
contained a molecular seive that was emptied out before the assembly.
The top end of the dryer tube was attached to a 1/4" pipe "tee"
along with a 100psi gage and another shut off valve. After shutting off
the valves, the filter body is opened and a small amount of injector
cleaner (about 25mL or 1 ounce) is put into the filter body. Then the top
filter fitting is reattached and tightened. After putting the injector on
the threaded fitting and attaching the air hose with 80psi set on the air
regulator to the top shut off valve, the fluid in the filter is pressurized
by opening the top valve (keeping the filter vertical) and then the top
valve is shut off leaving the fluid pressurized as shown by pressure
reading on the gage. Next the bottom valve is opened and the spray pattern
is readily seen; also the injector should shut off the liquid flow or air
flow (if all of the liquid flows through the injector) at about 50-55psi.
After two rinses, the spray pattern became very even and the pressure
observed after shut off by the injector increased from about 20-30psi to
50psi. !!!!CLEANING THE INJECTORS MUST NOT BE DONE OUTSIDE OR IN A WELL
VENTILLATED OPEN AREA. DO NOT DO THIS IN A CLOSED SPACE OR ANYWHERE NEAR
AN OPEN FLAME OR WHERE A SPARK MAY EXIST BECAUSE THE CLEANER MAKES A HECK
OF A FOG FOR A SHORT TIME AND THE FOG IS FLAMMABLE!!!!!
I am also seraching for historical info on the PRV6 engine and the
drive train integrated into the DeLorean from the Renault Apline (A310 or
GT). I found an introdution at the following page
"http://proffa.cc.tut.fi/~m139896/homepage.html" and the following text
comes directly from that address.
RENAULT ALPINE GT (PICTURE)
The Alpine V6 GT was introduced in 1985. It was similar in construction to
earlier Alpines, consisting
of a tubular steel backbone chassis and a glassfibre body with a
back-mounted engine. The engine was
of the same design as the A310 V6's. When a turbocharger was added to the
engine (although a
downsized version), the Alpine V6 Turbo was born. The V6 Turbo had an
electronic Renix fuel
injection. For the first time in the Alpine's history ABS brakes were
offered as an option. A catalytic
converter was also introduced, mainly to the German market.
In 1987 Renault was still a part owner of the American Motor Company (AMC).
They wanted to take
the GTA to the American market. In order to get a homologation in the US,
some modifications had to
be made. The crash test norms were at the time a lot stricter in the US. So
the chassis had to be
strengthened by means of an additional floor section made of steel (all
glassfibre in Europe). Other US
spec modifications included e.g. catalytic converter, sidelights,
additional brake light, conventional
wind screen wipers, twin exhaust outlet and the most significant of all, a
new front end with pop-up
headlights. Unfortunately, AMC and Renault ended up in 'divorce' before the
car ever got to the new
continent. The already made 21 examples were sold very discreetly trough
small ads in French papers.
Before the end of production in 1991 a couple of special editions were
introduced. The 'Mille Miles'
(French for 'A Thousand Miles') was a limited series V6 GT with Turbo
wheels and a decorative tape
on the bonnet to commemorate the famous rallying event Mille Miglia in
Italy (1927-57). The 'Le
Mans' was another special edition. It had a specially made nose cone and
bumpers. Wide tires were
wrapped around modular three-piece BBS alloy wheels. The engine was tuned
up to 200 bhp. The
modifications were made by a German tuning company."
Any suggestion on a remaining problem? The car is difficult to start
(intermittently) after it has run for a while and the engine is still warm.
Thanks,
DaveS
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From: "Stephen Gorfine"
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 03:06:54 UT
Subject: RE: Oil Pressure once again. Please read.
I had the same problem-high readings on the oil pressure gage. Rob Grady
replaced the sender for $40 (parts and labor). I believe he used a Corvette
sender. It seems to work fine now.
With regard to Rob's work, I agree he does a superb job. As I don't "push" to
get my car back, it does seem to take some time to get everything done. The
last time I drove my car was back from his place, (date in: 7/17/93; date out
10/16/93).
Vin 11262 (1/82) (has nameplate, but no flap, no grooves, and no X)
6556 mi
purchased new 8/4/86
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From: stormrider@socketis.net (Chase Clark)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:24:52 -0600
Subject: Three Years????
>With regard to Rob's work, I agree he does a superb job. As I don't "push" to
>get my car back, it does seem to take some time to get everything done. The
>last time I drove my car was back from his place, (date in: 7/17/93; date out
>10/16/93)
You haven't driven the car in THREE years! WOW, but I'm left wondering why
you had Rob work on it at all if it was just going to be left in the same
place for so long anyway? Just curious.
Personally, with a car like a DeLorean in my hands, I can't resist driving
it everywhere I go. But then no one has ever seriously thought of me as
"normal"
~ Chase
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Stormrider Media Productions P.O. Box 105301
Chase Clark, Co-Owner Jefferson City, Missouri 65110-5301
Voice/Fax (573)635-0622 Email: stormrider@socketis.net
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"If I had a dime for every original idea Bill Gates had...
why I'd have nothing!" - Christopher Meinck
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 03:42:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Three Years????
Chase Clark wrote:
>
> >With regard to Rob's work, I agree he does a superb job. As I don't "push" to
> >get my car back, it does seem to take some time to get everything done. The
> >last time I drove my car was back from his place, (date in: 7/17/93; date out
> >10/16/93)
>
> You haven't driven the car in THREE years! WOW, but I'm left wondering why
> you had Rob work on it at all if it was just going to be left in the same
> place for so long anyway? Just curious.
>
> Personally, with a car like a DeLorean in my hands, I can't resist driving
> it everywhere I go. But then no one has ever seriously thought of me as
> "normal"
>
> ~ Chase
>
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Chase,
Unless you live in the New York Metro area you couldn't understand. The
D sticks out like a sore thumb and is a target for incompetent drivers.
The three injuries to my D were all caused while the car was parked, in
public areas, and me not present. No notes, not owning up to the damage.
In fact the last episode was at a supermarket lot ... it looked like
someone had tried parking next to me, creased the left rear qtr, then ,
not being satisfied managed to crease the left front and pushed the
fascia forward about an inch. This has all been repaired very nicely by
specialists in the area but now I only drive it about once a week just
to keep things lubricated and the tires round.
As for not driving it for three years I agree WOW ... the question is
will his D still start or should he even try considering the potential
damage from contaminated fuel.
Best regards,
Marv Sterling
PS. Saw a bit on ABC news one evening. The DEA was auctioning off items
seized from drug dealers etc and one was a D ... looked beautiful, the
upset price was $20,000... don't know if it was bought or not.
MS
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From: hansolo@xis.com (Joel Baum)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 23:07:48 -0400
Subject: Gold Delorean Pictures
Hello Everyone. I just posted some pictures that I scanned of the Gold
Delorean's (VIN#20105) in Cumberland, MD, and of the Bowie British Car Day
in June 1996. The pictures can be found on:
http://www.xis.com/~hansolo/delorean.html
Also while your at my site, sign the guestbook and tell me what you think!!!
Joel Baum
hansolo@xis.com
Joel Baum's Home Page
http://www.xis.com/~hansolo/
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From: stormrider@socketis.net (Chase Clark)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 15:04:46 -0600
Subject: Windshield Antenna Revisited
I remember someone asking about the installation of the windshield antenna
on the '81 DeLorean, but I don't recall responding so here it goes...
My antenna tape is attached to the inside of the windshield and does NOT
require drilling a hole in the windshield itself. Perhaps this is not true
of all of the cars with this antenna design, but it is the case on mine.
~ Chase
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Stormrider Media Productions P.O. Box 105301
Chase Clark, Co-Owner Jefferson City, Missouri 65110-5301
Voice/Fax (573)635-0622 Email: stormrider@socketis.net
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"If I had a dime for every original idea Bill Gates had...
why I'd have nothing!" - Christopher Meinck
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From: James Espey
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 12:25:31 -0800
Subject: Brake squeal - make it stop!!!
As of late, my front brakes have begun to squeal under "spirited"
driving. Pads are good and I do have the anti-squeal shims in place, but
I'm rather brake illiterate, so perhaps I may be overlooking something
obvious. Any help?
James
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From: Mike Substelny
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:15:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Squealin' brakes
As I understand it, brakes squeal when the pads vibrate back
and forth rapidly. The purpose of anti-squeal shims is to
dampen this vibration by restricting their movement. They
brace the pad in place kind of like a spring. If the anti-squeal
shims are loose, worn, or damaged they are less effective.
(Did you notice the brake squeal in my van last week,
James? This began right after I changed pads in August,
when I accidentally broke a tiny piece off of one of my
anti-squeal shims. Before that they had been silent.)
Another solution is the goopy polymer paste that some
manufacturers include with their new pads. You smear some
of this stuff on the pad before installing it on the calliper and
it hardens to a custom-fit cushion for the pad. Viola! Quiet
brakes.
There are a few exotic things that can cause brake noise
(loose rotors, rusty callipers, etc.) but I think 99% of all
squealing is caused by pad vibration.
If you are not satisfied with your anti-squeal shims you can
spend five bucks or so at the auto parts store for a tube of
that anti-squeal goop. Remove your wheels and smear some
of it under each pad (between pad and calliper, not between
pad and rotor). One tube should more than handle all four
wheels on your DeLorean. That stuff worked great on my
Trans Am, but I haven't yet bothered with my van.
Good luck.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: dstall@trib.net (D.L. Stalling)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:15:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Pantera in DeLorean Clothes, available!
Fellow readers, I have to share this experience with you.
Today, I just had one of the rides of my life! I looked at, drove and
almost bought a 1983 DeLorean with a one of a kind power plant drive train!
Only a last minute sense of fiscal reality and lack of agreement from my
spouse (whose input weighs heavily) kept it from being transported to my
already full garage. The car was purchased new, transported to Illinois
where it was disassembled and retro- engineered to accept a Pantara drive &
trans with the Cleveland 351 being blueprinted and balanced; conversion was
finished by 1986. The car had approximately 1,700miles (yes, One thousand,
seven hundred).
Itspend a short while in one of the countrty music entertainer's musuem in
Nashville. The spedometer (maxed at 170 or 185mph -- I cant remember) with
an incredibly clean fit to the regular instrument cluster and dash. The
five speed shifted flawlessly although a little stiff. The car has been
kept inside and driven periodically for the 10 years in the owner's
showroom and has no oil or leaks of any kind. The front suspension and
A-frames were replaced along with heavy duty rotors and a heavy duty
radiator was fitted. The interior is black leather seats with grey carpet
and it has the original radio. I believe the car was tested at the Indy
Speedway. All original documentation, owners manual, jacket, and
documentation on conversion records go with the car. Total expenditure for
car and conversion was in excess of $60,000.
Only the door struts were in need or replacement and it would have
benefited from having the front end alignment and tires balanced.
The car remains for sale at the moment; however, only critically serious
buyers should contact me within the next week with a request via e-mail
(If the car is sold, I will post a notice). The owner may also decide to
keep the car. I will do my best to relay your phone or fax to the owner
stating what your best offer would be; no offer below the owner's minimum
will be forwarded. I will not forward reply's to the owner after the 20th
of October, 1996
The car is immaculate and truly unusual; a Pantera in DeLorean clothing has
to be considered a rare and unusual experience for me.
dstall@mail.trib.net
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From: Solitary Man
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:49:49 -0700
Subject: just lock the keys in the car when you're through
>From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 01:33:15 -0700
>Subject: Re: A/C Fuse
>
>It's a moot question. You can only lock the doors from outside with the
>key. It is impossible (?) to lock your keys inside.
>Regards,
>Marv Sterling
Tell that to my former mechanic. I recall one day I asked him to lock
the keys in the car and I'd pick it up afterhours.
Well, it hit me later that day that he couldn't do that and i rushed
there to get to him before he locked up for the night.
By the time I got there, however, he'd already done it. Don't ask me
how, he said he had no problem, just stashed the keys under the carpet, hit the
button and closed the door.
*shrug* At any rate, there was no damage, no reasonable explination I
can come up with...Go figure.
-Wolfie
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From: Solitary Man
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:49:57 -0700
Subject: Sponteneous locking
>NO IT"S NO Marv ... .I locked my keys in my DeLorean once ... I had
>taken the car to a car wash to "spray it off" and when I closed the door,
>there was enough "force" to make the rocker switch close ... the doors
>instantly LOCKED!
Ah!...Yes, happened to me too, although they usually don't lock
completely, but just enough to prevent opening the door. Admitedly, the
passenger side tends to do it more often then the driver side. Sufficed to say,
I make a point to take my keys whenever I leave the car now!
-Wolfie
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From: Solitary Man
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:50:00 -0700
Subject: Off the face of the planet...
For those of you who've been trying to get in touch with me, I
appologize, I've had some problems with my ISP and am just now getting to
messages and mailing lists from a good month ago. Half my mail hasn't come
through, so if you tried to mail me between DMC-ML #160 and 165, I'm certain I
don't have it, so if it's important, please resend.
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From: Solitary Man
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:50:07 -0700
Subject: My Two-Faced DeLorean...
I haven't heard anything of this problem from anybody, so I thought I'd
bring it up.
Lately, I've noticed an inconsistancy in my finish. Most of the hood of
my DeLorean has a finish comprable to the rest of the car, but the passenger
side of the hood has a dull, cloudy finish. As i say, this appeared just
recently. It appears as if someone tried to do a wax comercial on my car and
waxed one side of the hood.
This dull cloudy finish isn't limited to just the stainless, the bumper
also exibits the same. Water tends to bead on that side rather then sheet as it
does with the rest of the car.
I've tried an assortment of cleaners and even taken the time to
scotch-bright a small area of it, to no avail....
I'm out of ideas and really rather irritated as not being able to get
rid of it. Anybody have any experience or ideas with this problem?...
Wolfie!
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