DeLorean Mailing List - 6/9/97
dmcnews-digest Monday, June 9 1997 Volume 02 : Number 250
In this issue:
Re: DML: original owners
Re: DML: Vanity Plate idea
Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
DML: American Express "Gold" DMC
DML: Original Owners
Re: DML: RE: youngest DeLorean Owner
DML: Filters and such.
Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
Re: DML: A/C Recharging Thoughts?
Re: DML: Filters and such
Re: DML: Filters and such
Re: DML: A/C Recharging Thoughts?
DML: RE: Cross Reference Air Filters
DML: Engine Fans Update
Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
Re: DML: Vanity Plate idea
DML: PRV V6
RE: DML: RE: youngest DeLorean Owner
DML: Searchable list site and back issue archives
DML: Searchable list site and back issue archives
DML: RE: A/C Recharging and Vent Problems
Re: DML:
A/C Recharging Thoughts?
DML: Spark Advance
Re: DML: Remember the CFI?
DML: Bosch Relay
DML: Center Vents
DML: Idle problem
DML: Internet shopping
DML: Memorabilia....
Re: DML: Bosch Relay
DML: AC vents
DML: RE: Cross-Reference lists.
DML: Parking Brakes
DML: Clock/Radio Presets
Re: DML: Clock/radio presets
DML: Attention all clubs/former chapters
DML: Air Conditioner & duct boots
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 15:12:22 -0700
From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
Subject: Re: DML: original owners
steve brodsky wrote:
>How many original owners do we have - I bought mine brand new sept 83
from consolidated
>steve brodsky #10688
- ------------------------------------------- February '84 - new - Mt Kisco Subaru - owner
/ dealer was friend of JZD while both were at GM -
Marv Sterling vin 16000
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 14:38:55 -0700
From: steve brodsky
Subject: Re: DML: Vanity Plate idea
Murray Fisher wrote:
>I have had my D two months today and have been researching what Vanity
plates I might obtain. I found that the GOOD ones are taken, naturally..like
DMC-12. So I tried for Roman Numerals instead and just received the plates
yesterday.
>I thought someone else might like the idea of DMC-XII.
>Murray
I have had the Florida tag "SSSNAKE" (Stainless Steel Snake) since Sept 83.
Steve Brodsky #10688
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:37:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stainlss@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
If anyone is interested, I was 14 years old when I purchased my 83 DMC. I am
now 18. I also once read an old issue of DeLorean World, and it had
mentioned a 12 year old had bought a DeLorean. I'm not too sure though.
Randy
Vin#16353
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:25:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABatt10347@aol.com
Subject: DML: American Express "Gold" DMC
Saw the following ad in Hemmings Motor News (June 97). Page 4745.
Delorean: 1983, one of three in the world, gold plated for American Express,
100 miles, museum quality, first time offered, priced to dispose. 810-548-8911
Fax:810-583-6115, MI
Yes I did call and this is the one from the East Coast, and are you ready for
this-----
the price is $40,000. No, I did not forget the 1. The man selling it is Bill.
Anyone want to load me $40K? Thought that my fellow DMCers would like
to know
about this. By the way if anyone of you does buy it please let me know I would
like to see it up close someday.
Bruce Battles
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:42:30 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON
Subject: DML: Original Owners
steve brodsky wrote:
>How many original owners do we have - I bought mine brand new sept 83
from consolidated
>steve brodsky #10688
- -
I bought mine new in June of '82 from a Porsche/Audi/DeLorean Dealer. It's
a
late '81, vin # 6870.
Ironicaly the shop labor rate posted in their sevice area at that time listed a
higher rate for the DeLorean than either the Porsche or the Audi.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:22:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phillip124@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: RE: youngest DeLorean Owner
I am the youngest DeLorean Owner. I'm only 16. I have owned the car since
January. I am probably going to drive it up to Snowmass for the convention.
Phillip
7134
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Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 09:06:24 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: Filters and such.
Just wandering if anyone has a complete cross reference they have compiled
concerning filters and fluids for their car ?
I'm having trouble finding an Automatic Transmission filter ? Anyone know
which one to use ?
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:59:19 -0500
From: Jameel Ahed
Subject: Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
Dear DML,
Why is age so important?
RICHAJG@aol.com wrote:
>Does anyone know what the age is of the youngest DeLorean Owner?
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:51:05 -0500
From: Jameel Ahed
Subject: Re: DML: A/C Recharging Thoughts?
Dear DML,
I recently had my AC recharged. It was first pressure tested and then vacuum
tested. It passed with flying colors. Then it was charged. It costed my $170 for
the whole job. Considering the lack of cooling power it was not worth it. The
only reason I did it was to know that everything worked.
David Swingle wrote:
>I'v been watching the list for info on the subject of Air Conditioning
>recharging and haven't seen a whole lot posted yet. Assuming it's finally
going to get warm here in the upper modwest, I'm going to have to
>do something soon now that I've replaced the belts and idler bearings.
>It would be interesting to know how you all are handling the R12 situation.
There seem to be several options: Pay lot of money to keep putting in R12; Pay
lots of money to convert to R134 (and give up some
>cooling); pay less money and convert to R406; or drive with the doors up
>(lots of extra attention but look out for low trees, and kind of hard on
>strut mounts).
>What have other DMCNWS readers been doing about this, even if it
includes
>just putting good 'ol R12 back in every year or two? What's your experience
with the current cost of such service? Has anyone (other than
>AaronB as posted a few weeks ago) first-hand experience with any of the
>replacements? Aaron's results seem to have been positive.
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 97 09:30:54 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: Filters and such
>I'm having trouble finding an Automatic Transmission filter ? Anyone
know which one to use ?
I have been told that the DeLorean was the only car sold in the US that uses
this particular automatic transmission. It is used in other Renault autos, but
only those sold outside the US. If that is indeed the case, you probably won't
find a suitable filter at NAPA, Pep Boys or even an old Chrysler dealer that's
willing to order you an old Renault part. P.J. Grady sells a complete
"Automatic Transmission Filter Kit" (pan gasket, filter, and filter gasket) for
$74.85 plus shipping. I don't think that's unreasonable.
James
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:43:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nikki Schumann
Subject: Re: DML: Filters and such
>I have been told that the DeLorean was the only car sold in the US that uses
this particular automatic transmission. It is used in other Renault autos, but
only those sold outside the US. If that is indeed the case, you probably won't
find a suitable filter at NAPA, Pep Boys or even an old Chrysler dealer that's
willing to order you an old Renault part. P.J. Grady sells a complete
"Automatic Transmission Filter Kit" (pan gasket, filter, and filter gasket) for
$74.85 plus shipping. I don't think that's unreasonable.
>James
Dear DML,
If I can be of any assistance to anybody that would require parts such as this
filter shipped to the US I'd be more than happy to help. I live in France and it
would be very easy for me to check the availability and price
of such spares at local Renault dealerships. I'll take no profit, just price
of the part + shipping.
If this interests anybody, let me know.
- -------------------------------------------------- Nikki Schumann --- mail:
Nikki.Schumann@wanadoo.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/nikki.schumann/WELCOME.HTM - ---------------------
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Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 15:45:59 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" Subject: Re: DML: A/C
Recharging Thoughts?
>Dear DML,
>I recently had my AC recharged. It was first pressure tested and then vacuum
tested. It passed with flying colors. Then it was charged. It costed my $170 for
the whole job. Considering the lack of cooling power it was not worth it. The
only reason I did it was to know that everything worked.
Just thought I would share a helpful hint with everyone about their AC.
Seems like everyone feels the AC is underpowered in their cars. One thing I
find very helpfull is to slightly crack the windows when using the AC. This
will allows better air movement since the car is rather tightly sealed. The
same thing is helpfull on a VW BUG when using the heater. :-)
- -Brandon
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 15:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: CDIUSAMPS@aol.com
Subject: DML: RE: Cross Reference Air Filters
The Purolator AF4275 air filter, does not fit. I know this from experience.
It is a tad short. Have not tried the others. BILL
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:46:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Phillip124@aol.com
Subject: DML: Engine Fans Update
I am trying to update my engine fans so that they come on when they should.
In my relay box, the relay that is on the lower row to the far left is blue.
When I remove the relay, the sockets look like this.
|
| | |
|
I need to know which sockets need to be connected.
Thank you all.
Phillip
Vin # 7134
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 23:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: ATMorgan1@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
I owned a delorean when I was 19... I don't own it anymore does that make
me
the youngest to ever own a delorean...I bought it myself too.
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Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:58:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MICHAEL BABB
Subject: Re: DML: Vanity Plate idea
That is a really cool idea for plates....wish I had thought of that...not many
people would understand (I love it) as for me, my D bares the vanity plate for
North Carolina that reads STAINLES. Anyone else have cool custom plates?
Michael Babb, MCSE
Microsoft Technical Education
Computer Decisions Inc.
Phone 919.460.7604
Alpha Pager (Raleigh) 919.389.2695
mikebabb@vnet.net
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Murray Fisher wrote:
>I have had my D two months today and have been researching what Vanity
plates I might obtain. I found that the GOOD ones are taken, naturally..like
DMC-12. So I tried for Roman Numerals instead and just received the plates
yesterday.
>I thought someone else might like the idea of DMC-XII.
>Murray
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 02:50:51 +0100 (utc) From: Jim Lill
Subject: DML: PRV V6
I've just started a project to cross-reference parts amongst the various cars that
use this motor. I'm working from a Peugept perspective as that's what I own
but certainly the completed list will be of benefit to us all. So, please forward
any info you have. I'm also interested in PRV V6 performance items.
Thanks in advance,
- -Jim Lill http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 97 14:49:00 UT
From: "Stephen E. Klein" Subject: RE: DML: RE:
youngest DeLorean Owner
Phil -
You are younger than I am, congradulations. Do you drive your car to school?
It took me about three months of debating with my parents to get them to
allow
to drive mine to Horace Mann - that is in New York.
-Stephen E.
- ----------
From: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com on behalf of Phillip124@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 06, 1997 11:22 PM
To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: RE: youngest DeLorean Owner
I am the youngest DeLorean Owner. I'm only 16. I have owned the car since
January. I am probably going to drive it up to Snowmass for the convention.
Phillip
7134
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:04:03 -0600
From: Aaron Barrus
Subject: DML: Searchable list site and back issue archives
Rob wrote:
Someone posted a web address for a searchable database of all of the DML back
issues. I can't seem to find it now. What was the address? I'm going to get my
ISP or a friend who is an ISP to put a back-issue database out there that is
auto-updating and fielded.
I believe my page has what you are referring to, it's on
www.inconnect.com/~dthornto. There's a button on the home page for DML
SEARCH. It does not automatically update with new issues, I just copy them
down from James' site when he posts them, therefore it's frequently a month
or so behind on the new digests.
I haven't put too much work into it because of lack of interest. In the past
couple months, there have only been about 10 searches! If people
areinterested, what I would like to add search operators like AND, OR, ANY,
ALL, etc. I may also have it FTP down new digests as they become available
(auto-updating) Any thoughts? What are you considering Rob?
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:04:03 -0600
From: Aaron Barrus
Subject: DML: Searchable list site and back issue archives
Rob wrote:
Someone posted a web address for a searchable database of all of the DML back
issues. I can't seem to find it now. What was the address? I'm going to get my
ISP or a friend who is an ISP to put a back-issue database out there that is
auto-updating and fielded.
I believe my page has what you are referring to, it's on
www.inconnect.com/~dthornto. There's a button on the home page for DML
SEARCH. It does not automatically update with new issues, I just copy them
down from James' site when he posts them, therefore it's frequently a month
or so behind on the new digests.
I haven't put too much work into it because of lack of interest. In the past
couple months, there have only been about 10 searches! If people are
interested, what I would like to add search operators like AND, OR, ANY,
ALL, etc. I may also have it FTP down new digests as they become available
(auto-updating) Any thoughts? What are you considering Rob?
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:29:21 -0400 (EDT) From: GunkelWWW@aol.com
Subject: DML: RE: A/C Recharging and Vent Problems
dave b wrote:
>2. After about a 1/2 hour of A/C running on max I get a condensation leak
on the passenger side. It's enough to generate a small puddle. When I make
turns, my passenger ends up with water all over the top of their shoes. Is
there an external drain for this that could be blocked. I've checked in my
manuals and can't find one. If it is condensation that's not being trapped, I
was going to machine a catch and drain it outside. Does anyone have
experience or suggestions on fixing this.
the drain is on the passenger side on the right frame side behind the a/c panel
and goes
to the heater/blower unit. remove the carpet on the left passenger side and
check the position and seal it.
I hope this helps...
Markus Gunkel germany
GunkelWWW@AOL.COM
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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 07:46:04 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen Subject: Re: DML:
A/C Recharging Thoughts?
I had my system recharged just this week. Took it to my local Wal-Mart. They
charge $39.95 for the service plus $25.00 per pound of Freon. My system was
1.5 pounds low, so my total cost was $82.70, tax included. Since the
refrigeration system is conventional R-12, it doesn't require any unusual or
exotic equipment or fittings, so they were able to handle it very competently.
I'm not aware of anyone else in this area (K.C.) who would do it for anywhere
close to this price, plus they stand behind their work 100%.
Bill Marcussen
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: Spark Advance
Bruce Benson,
I don't believe the Delorean has a centrifugal weight system for the spark
advance. The Delorean's distributor doesn't have points since it is completely
electronic.
I still don't understand how reangling the alternator would affect spark
advance since spark advance is done in other ways.
Matt Peak
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:59:58 -0400 (EDT) From: RPET123@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Remember the CFI?
RE. #5. Five years ago, I did a tail light no cost fix, I just used a punch,
and tightned up the rivets with just a light tap, no problem yet.
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:35:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: Bosch Relay
Rob,
GET THAT RELAY NUMBER OFF YOUR LIST! I made a posting a long time
ago regarding that number. It wasn't a suggested relay, it was concerning the
fact that that relay almost started an electrical fire in my relay compartment.
The correct Bosch relay is Bosch #0332-209-150
Matt Peak
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:36:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: Center Vents
Dave B,
I have a similar problem with my center vents. It is either a vacuum leak or
a more complicated problem, as it is on my car. If you're sure there is no
vacuum leak, as I am (since I had my mode switch rebuilt), look under the
pasenger side dash and you will see a plunger type mechanism which is
attached to the center vents by a metal rod. This plunger is vacuum activated.
The problem with my car is that when the plunger becomes activated, a little
piece which attaches the inner parts of the plunger to the outer is broken. The
outer part gets pulled into the inside of the plunger instead of activating the
metal rod to open the center vents. It is
a $45 part to replace, but the real expense is in the labor because the dashboard
has to be removed in order to replace the part. What I am going to
try to do instead of fixing the problem is clip the attachment of the metal
rod to the plunger so that the center vents can remain open all the time.
Matt Peak
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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 22:03:41 -0500
From: Jabeen Ahed
Subject: DML: Idle problem
Dear DML,
I have gotten almost all the bugs out of my car but there is one that is driving
me nutts! As most of you all know there is a small micro switch that triggers
the idle when the accelerator is released a hammer that is connected to the
linkage drops and there is a small adjustment screw wich makes contact with
the micro switch causing the switch to trigger. When the engine is off, and I
play with the accelerator linkage the hammer triggers the switch with no
problem. when I turn the engine on, once I hit the gas and release it, the
hammer does not come down hard enough to trigger the switch. I feel that
the spring has worn out... I can't understand why it wont hit the switch. NO
matter how much I adjust the screw the problem still exists. Thanx for
listening. I would appreciate any and all feed back! Thank you. Jameel
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:54:16 +0100
From: andreas@tradesoft.se
Subject: DML: Internet shopping
I think it would be great if you could by DeLorean parts over the internet.
You guys who live in the US probably don't have to much trouble getting
parts but if you live in Sweden as I do or somewhere else in the world it's
not that easy. Does anyone know if there's any plans to start an internet shop.
The DeLorean One webpage is very nice to look at but it would be much
more useful if you could order stuff on it.
If there's enough interest in this we can perhaps convince DeLorean One or
KAPAC or someone else to do it.
Andreas
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: ATMorgan1@aol.com
Subject: DML: Memorabilia....
I would like to know what different owners have as far as rare memorabilia...I
am very curious what is out there...I have something and I am
curious if anybody else has this...it is a Delorean sticker that is printed
on holographic silver and says delorean dmc12 on the side. I got it in a sticker
machine about 6 years ago and have never seen one since...Am I the only one
with this sticker????Please let me know what interesting collectables are out
there...
ATM
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 08:20:34 +0000
From: James Nichols Subject: Re: DML: Bosch
Relay
Subject: DML: AC vents
There could be a couple of reasons for restricted airflow to the center vents.
1. The vents are closed. There are two thumbwheels on either side of the
vents that control a flap behind them.
2. The boots from the ventilation plenum are missing. These boots duct air
from the plenum to the vents.
3. The mode switch is defective.
4. The vacuum actuator for the center vent is not working, either because it is
defective or a vacuum line is blocked/missing.
To check these out, remove the center vent assembly. Check the operation of
the flaps, look for the boots, and observe the operation of the door on the
plenum as you work through the mode switch. If the door remains closed in
vent or AC positions, you will need to rebuild/replace the mode switch or
check out the actuator.
There is a drain for AC condensation that tends to plug up with road dirt.
Take a look a the service bulletin for leaks available at www.dmcnews.com.
The drain is also a source of leaks into the passenger compartment.
Michael A. Griese
Internet: magriese@vnet.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2432
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:26:14 -0400
From: Rob Hook
Subject: DML: RE: Cross-Reference lists.
As Matt Peak pointed out, the following number from the cross-reference list
should NOT be used:
30 amp relay: Bosch 0-332-204-110
The CORRECT number for this part is:
Bosch 0332-209-150
Also, a new part:
Left large water pump hose: DAYCO #71254
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 10:16:17 -0500
From: "Michael M. Stark" Subject: DML: Parking
Brakes
Need the Girling part # for the parking brake assemblies (L & R). Mine are
almost rusted too bad to rebuild. I just got a ridiculous price from DMC-1 and
figured I could do better in a Volvo junkyard. Any other production vehicles
that these assemblies appeared on would also be appreciated.
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 09:36:15 -0600
From: Michael Fischer Subject: DML:
Clock/Radio Presets
Hey everyone,
A quick, silly question. How the heck do you set the clock/radio presets? I've
the ASI radio (I think, it's got the DMC logo on the cassette door and the
digital display in the face, not the door like the Craigs do.)
I've played with the buttons etc. etc. for a while and don't have a manual for
the radio. (Does anyone have a manual for it?)
Thanx.
- --
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 08:50:28 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: Clock/radio presets
>A quick, silly question. How the heck do you set the clock/radio presets? I've
the ASI radio (I think, it's got the DMC logo on the cassette door and the
digital display in the face, not the door like the Craigs do.)
>I've played with the buttons etc. etc. for a while and don't have a manual for
the radio. (Does anyone have a manual for it?)
Setting the ASI clock:
See the two little holes underneath the cassette door to the left and right?
Insert a straightened paperclip in the left-most hole to set hours, and the
right-most hole for minutes.
Station presets:
I don't have my car with me today, but if memeory serves, this is the
procedure. Others please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Tune in the
station you want, then press and hold the button on the right side of the
stereo (PRG?) until the display flashes, then press the preset button you want
to use for that station.
James
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 11:53:08 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Attention all clubs/former chapters
One of the former DOA chapters asked me about hosting a web site for them
on my server and I've given it some thought and wanted to offer it to all the
clubs and forme chapters. In the interest of keeping things simple and cheap,
here's how it'll work...
I'll give you 5 megabytes of server space, with all the bells and whistles (cgi's,
form-reply, password protected areas, image maps, etc) - all you have to
provide is the HTML files and $5 a month (or $15 per quarter or $60 per year,
whatever is convenient). This is my cost for the additional server space.
This offer is open to DeLorean clubs/chapters only - email me if interested
and want more details.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:08:43 -0400
From: Mike Substelny Subject: DML: Air
Conditioner & duct boots
Brandon said:
>Seems like everyone feels the AC is
>underpowered in their cars.
Not me. My DeLorean's AC is more than adequate, and fairly trouble-free so
far. Of course I live in Cleveland, which isn't exactly the Sahara desert. The
last time I had it recharged my mechanic complimented all DeLoreans in
general for how well they hold their Freon.
Last summer there was a lot of discussion about those little duct boots to the
center vents inside the dash. They frequently slip off, causing the cold air to
blow downward in the dash instead of into the passenger compartment. This
keeps your radio ice cold, but doesn't help you much.
If you are one of the people who feels the AC is underpowered then you
should check to see if the radio is getting all your cold air. Next time you run
the AC feel the cassette door on the radio. If cold air is blowing through the
door then you need to reseat one or both of those duct boots.
Has anyone come up with a permanent fix for this, so the boots never slip off
again?
- - Mike Substelny
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