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Wednesday, August 6 1997 Volume 02 : Number 267
In this issue:
DML: More opinions for "maybe first time buyer"
DML: Re: luggage rack (was first time buyer)
DML: Re: financing a DeLorean (was first time buyer)
Re: DML: Re: luggage rack (was first time buyer)
Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?
RE: DML: First Purchase
DML: "maybe first time buyer" -Reply
DML: Body Structure
DML: Life with a luggage rack
Re: DML: Life with a luggage rack
Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe? -Reply
DML: Alarm n' other stuff
DML: Re: Black stripes &Original Dealer listing
DML: $$$ Of Cars
DML: Delorean handling
Re: DML: Life with a luggage rack
DML: RE: luggage rack
DML: Engine for sale
DML: Floor Mats
DML: Production Chronology
Re: DML: "maybe first time buyer" -Reply
DML: DeLorean Restoration
Re: DML: More opinions for "maybe first time buyer"
re: DML: luggage rack
Re: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
Re: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
Re: DML: Floor Mats
Re: DML: Engine for sale
Re: DML: Engine for sale
re: DML: Of Cars
DML: RE: DMC National Dealer List
Re: DML: Re: Side stripes
Re: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
Re: DML: RE: DMC National Dealer List
DML: my go-cart comment
DML: luggage rack installation details
DML: De Lorean Midatlantic Calendar of Events -- Summer 97
DML: Cooling inhibited with luggage rack? and cases..
Re: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 12:56:24 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: More opinions for "maybe first time buyer"
>> 2) Drivability: Is it comfortable to drive? How does it handle? Does it
>> feel like a sports car or a sedan?
> Hmmm, more like a go-cart, with a roof.
I assume Brandon meant this in a good way(?)
My opinion: The DeLorean feels quite low (even with stock suspension)
and handles like a true sports car. The interior has the comfort and the
amenities befitting a luxury car, although certain features (like the
stereo)
are a bit dated by today's luxury standards. The body is low and wide,
leaving spacious elbow room for the two passengers.
For years I have lamented the DeLorean's lack of cargo space. I feel a
little better about it now, because Sunday my local newspaper ran
reviews of the Porsche Boxter and BMW Z3. According to the paper
both of them have even less space than the DeLorean!
Parts are indeed available, and mail ordering them is not so bad. The
advantage of mail ordering from DeLorean parts vendors is that it is
almost impossible to get a part for the wrong car. This is very different
from mail ordering parts for a computer or even a Chevy, where
mistakes are easy to make. In a pinch some parts are available at your
local autoparts store (remember: even they often need a day to order
parts from a warehouse across town, and unlike DeLorean vendors
they might make a mistake).
I would not mess with retrofitting a different engine. If you want a
muscle car I suggest you buy a muscle car. If you want a faster
DeLorean then just call Turbo Manifold Co. and get the Twin Turbo.
> 5) Are there any places that sell DMCs. and could arrange financing?
That's a very good question and I never thought about it before. I know
my credit union would not finance a DeLorean under any circumstances,
so I just saved up and paid cash for mine. Has anyone on the DML
financed a DeLorean through DeLorean One, DMC Houston, DeLorean
Motor Center, PJ Grady, etc? Or does anyone know a bank that will
finance DeLoreans?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 10:35:17 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Re: luggage rack (was first time buyer)
Mike Substelny wrote:
>For years I have lamented the DeLorean's lack of cargo space. I feel a
>little better about it now, because Sunday my local newspaper ran
>reviews of the Porsche Boxter and BMW Z3. According to the paper
>both of them have even less space than the DeLorean!
One the subject of cargo space, who has experience with the factory
luggage rack? Ease of use, including removal and stowage? Is access to
the engine compartment as severely restricted as it appears? I tend to
check the oil at each fuel stop, particularly on the long road trips
where I would use the luggage rack most - will I have to unload and
remove the rack just to check the oil?
James
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 10:44:32 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Re: financing a DeLorean (was first time buyer)
Someone wrote:
>> 5) Are there any places that sell DMCs. and could arrange financing?
And Mike Substelny responded:
>That's a very good question and I never thought about it before. I know
>my credit union would not finance a DeLorean under any circumstances,
>so I just saved up and paid cash for mine. Has anyone on the DML
>financed a DeLorean through DeLorean One, DMC Houston, DeLorean
>Motor Center, PJ Grady, etc? Or does anyone know a bank that will
>finance DeLoreans?
I was able to finance my DeLorean in May of 1995 with Arizona Federal
Credit Union. I did have to provide them some documentation of the cars
value and selling prices of other DeLoreans (Hemmings Motor News,
DeLorean World, etc). I think it helps to be educated about the car and
be patient in educating the financial institution about the car. Having a
"history" with the bank/credit union also is a big plus.
Also, some of the "specialty" auto sellers in Hemmings and other car rags
offer financing on all their vehicles. A local Corvette specialist
(Chev's 'n Vettes) advertises nationally and they offer up to 7 year
financing on most of their cars, including the occasional DeLorean.
James
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:39:05 -0700
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Re: luggage rack (was first time buyer)
Further to storage/luggage space.
I have the factory luggage rack and carry it with me at all times. It
takes up very little roon in the front trunk and it can come in very
handy.
For example, if you have a flat rear tire and a passenger, you have two
choices. Put the flat in the front trunk, but then you can't close the
trunk because the tire is too wide, ot you can ask your passenger to get
out and put the flat in the passenger seat. Whether this is a good idea
might depend upon whether your passenger is your wife or your
girlfirend!!!
One of the reasons the optional luggage rack was offered was to be a flat
tire carrier.
I have used my luggage rack on long trips and it work quite well. While I
check my oil every morning when traveling, and thus before I load the rack
up, I don't check it at each fuel stop. To do so would require removal of
the luggage rack. However, depending upon how much you have on it, that
process would be only a matter of a couple of minutes.
Whether you plan long trips or not, the luggage rack is a good idea if
only
to serve as a flat tire carrier should the need arise.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 10:58:09 -0700
From: e/evan/altendorf
Subject: Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe?
On Tue, 05 Aug 1997 06:41:37 PDT, "Brandon S. Moody" wrote:
>
> > 2) Drivability: Is it comfortable to drive? How does it handle? Does it
> > feel like a sports car or a sedan?
>
> Hmmm, more like a go-cart, with a roof.
I was reading a sports car book the other day. It had a few
paragraphs on the D. One of the things it mentioned was the rather
odd balance and handling resulting from the engine sitting way out
behind the rear wheels. I looked at a cutaway and was surprised just
*how* far back the engine is.
Do any drivers have comments on this?
- -e.
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:39:35 -0700
From: ostam@bigfoot.com
Subject: RE: DML: First Purchase
Be brave, new owner! And pack plenty of cash, just in case!
I drove my '81 DeLorean from Nashville to Pittsburgh (about 550 miles
one-way) soon after puchasing it in '86 for $12,000. I ran the entire
trip in 2nd gear, thanks to a transmission solenoid that froze up about
50 miles out of town. My speedo cable was broken,too, so I "guessed" my
speed (didn't have that handy rpm conversion chart I've seen since).
Around Cincinnati, an Ohio state trooper "helped" me out by telling me I
clocked ~75mph on his radar gun. It was about 2 a.m., and he was so
turned on by the car that he let me off with a warning.
Once in Pittsburgh, I stayed overnight with a friend during a raging
snowstorm (DeLorean's are EXCELLENT snow-cars) ... however, the driver's
door froze shut, and in my zeal to open it, the exterior door handle
came off in my hand! From then on, until I sold the car in '89, I had
to open the passenger's door and reach inside to open the driver's
door! I still have the broken door handle :-)
Other than that, it was a great trip, other than the sound and mileage
of running the motor at high rpm's in 2nd gear!
My travails as a DeLorean owner go on and on ... I'll post more, if
anyone is interested in serio-comic stories of DMC breakdowns! I need
to find my VIN at home and send it in to James Espey. Love to find out
where my baby is today ...
Matt Calman
mcalman@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 13:04:55 -0500
From: Aaron Barrus
Subject: DML: "maybe first time buyer" -Reply
Mike said:
>>I would not mess with retrofitting a different engine. If you want a
muscle car I suggest you buy a muscle car. If you want a faster
DeLorean then just call Turbo Manifold Co. and get the Twin Turbo.
Doesn't Turbo Manifold Co. charge about $5000 for an installed
twin-turbo system? That's quite a hefty piece of cash!
I've spoken with a few other mechanics who specialize in volvo's (far
from a DeLorean, I know - but I'm in Utah!) They've done many
302 or 350 v8 conversions from engines similar to the PRV. In looking
inside a DeLorean, the biggest difficulty is verticle space and ground
clearance. If the car isn't lowered in the rear, it (guesstimating) fits
fine.
A good v8 conversion will cost about $5000 as well - but then you're
using more common every-day parts. A stock 302 will output around 220
HP and 200lbs torque, right around the same you'd get from twin-turbos.
But it also has the added benefit of nice low-end torque that you won't
get out of a twin-turbo.
But, just an opinion . . . I also believe 220hp is about the most you can
pump through a DeLorean without braking something else anyway, so a
302 vs twin turbos - maybe a matter of preference.
To the ride quality thread: it's great having such a wide stance. Hard
cornering is wonderful! But that street really is rushing by at what
feels
like inches from your face.
Aaron
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:43:10 -0400
From: Mike Griese
Subject: DML: Body Structure
The DeLorean is built out of a clamshell inner body
over a backbone frame. The clamshell is made of
essentially 2 pieces, a bottom tub and a top superstructure
that are bonded together. Both pieces are made with
a process called VARI - Vacuum Assisted Resin Injection
that was pioneered by Lotus. The general construction
of the car is very similar to the Lotus Esprit. The tub is
made by layering fiberglass in a mold, sealing and
evacuating the mold and injecting resin. The vacuum helps
the resin flow into the mold and impregnate the fiberlgass.
The entire mold was then heat cured. Repairs are handled
like any other fiberglass car.
Michael A. Griese
IBM Storage Systems Division
Rochester, MN 55901
Internet: magriese@us.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2880
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:01:22 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Life with a luggage rack
James said:
> On the subject of cargo space, who has experience with the factory
> luggage rack? . . . I tend to check the oil at each fuel stop, particularly
> on the long road trips where I would use the luggage rack most - will
> I have to unload and remove the rack just to check the oil?
I used my luggage rack on the trip to Nashville and I checked oil /
coolant
at most fuel stops. Yes, you do need to unload the rack and remove it.
Once it is unloaded it takes just a minute to remove the rack, so I
recommend getting luggage that can easily be loaded / unloaded. It
probably took five minutes to unload and reload each time I checked
under the hood. When my girlfriend (now fiancee) helped we could do it
in two minutes.
I use a pair of rigid, black, wedge-shaped cases, the kind that fits
behind
the back seat of a pickup truck. They mate together perfectly and are
very easy to fasten down or remove. I shined them up with a little Armor
All and found the black color and wedge shape look great with a
DeLorean.
I agree with The Rad Dad about the importance of the luggage rack as a
spare tire carrier. For this reason I always keep my rack folded up in
the
trunk, even driving in my own neighborhood. I would not dream of taking
a long trip in a DeLorean without a luggage rack.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:09:38 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: Life with a luggage rack
Are luggage racks available today? If so, I presume from the usual
DeLorean parts sources?
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 14:32:24 -0500
From: Aaron Barrus
Subject: Re: DML: 1st time buyer... maybe? -Reply
Evan wrote:
>>> One of the things it mentioned was the rather odd balance and
handling resulting from the engine sitting way out behind the rear wheels.
I looked at a cutaway and was surprised just *how* far back the engine
is.
I can't say I've had the opportunity to "push" a DMC hard enough to detail
handling characteristics. But - of course - most cars have the engine
mounted in the front, with a 65/35ish weight ratio. And for most
production cars, they're considered "safer" if they exhibit understeer
instead of oversteer. However, many all-out racing cars attempt a more
even ratio or perhaps a greater amount to the rear, with a more even
understeer / oversteer balance. This makes the car handle much more
squirrely when the wheels are spinning, and will also create "trailing
throttle oversteer", whereas the "good" driver can perform a perfectly
controlled almost-slide through the turns, keeping the throttle fully
open all
the time, rather than relying on the front tires to point the car in the
right
direction and having to let off the gas to avoid spinning out or plowing
through a turn.
I remember hearing that smaller tires in the front of the DeLorean were
used to help offset the oversteer tendancy also, which supports this
idea (trying to tame the car for normal drivers). Doesn't the DeLorean
naturally slightly understeer?
Also, there is an excellent document on automobile handling
characteristics at http://www.netzone.com/~rqriley/suspensn.html.
Aaron
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 23:44:12 -0400
From: Sean Mullally
Subject: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
Hello everyone. I've had my D (#3868) for three weeks now. The
information from this list, and the back issue search feature have been
extremely helpful. It took be a few minutes to do the suggested brake
light fix which would have puzzled me for a long time otherwise! I've
done a few other minor things so far, like replace the horn with one
other drives might actually be able to hear in an emergency! Does anyone
else agree this is a prudent safety precaution?
My question is regarding the use of a car alarm. Of those who have
installed an alarm in their Delorean, have you found anything to be
problematic with the installation or is it fairly standard? I am looking
for something with a starter interrupt and that will interface with the
door lock (and maybe open the door too!) Does anyone have any good
suggestions on brands? (Or anything to stay away from?)
- -Sean Mullally
Vin #3868
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:16:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: SCiszek@aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: Black stripes &Original Dealer listing
>I'm getting close to purchasing my first DeLorean and was hoping someone
>could answer some questions. The car has the 2 inch DMC stripe on the side.
>Does anyone know the history of the stripe (how many were made with stripes,
>etc.). I really don't like the look of the car with it that much, but am
>trying to convince myself that it doesn't matter and is actually an extra
>benefit to the car.
My car also has the black stripe running down the side. From what I
understand, this was a dealer option determined by the original purchasers
preference so I doubt we'll ever know how many actually have this stripe.
I
suppose if you really don't like it you can just peel it off. In fact
mine is
starting to pull back on its own in some places.
>I've seen a lot of information out there, but I have yet to see a list of
>the original DeLorean Dealerships and Authorized Repair Shops.
When I purchased my car it came with some pieces of literature that came
with
the car originally. One of these is a brochure called the DMC National
Dealer
List which lists the names, addresses and telephone numbers of all
authorized
DMC dealers as of July 1, 1981. A brief bit of information at the
beginning
of the brochure states that DMC was looking to maintain an organization of
approximately 350 dealers nationwide. All dealers were considered
authorized
service facilities at the time. If anyone would like to know the listing
of
the former dealers in their state please feel free to drop me a line and
I'll
fill you in.
If interested I could type up the whole list and maybe it could be put it
on the
web page for reference purposes. Let me know.
- - Scott Ciszek
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:01:25 -0600 (MDT)
From: aali@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: DML: $$$ Of Cars
Hello,
I have been searching for a good DeLorean for years and
still ahven't found what I am looking for. Does anyone know where I can
find good condition DeLoreans at resonable prices? Also, do you think the
DeLorean can last going across the country into Canada, if I bought it and
tuned it up and fixed up all the parts it needed? How much would that cost
me?
Thanks,
Amir
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:06:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: FalcoN374@aol.com
Subject: DML: Delorean handling
After recently purchasing the delorean and expecting an above sports
car
i was rather upset. My auto. transmission starts off in second gear only
to
exagerate the lack of acceleration on hills. (what part or computer maybe
would i need to repair the transmission?) The car is fun to drive but many
times i found myself spun around facing the opposite direction of the
turn i
tried to complete. Is there something wrong with my car? It seems that i
have no problems when i take sharp turn at around 35 mph with my other
cars
but with the delorean i spin like a top.
When the car is parked, sometimes the RPM gauge will be pegged at 1200
rpms. If i slightly tap the accelerater the Rpms will drop back to around
700. I recently had a new idle computer installed! The mechanic says it
needs something called an idle thermister?? Any help or advice would be
appreciated. -George
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:03:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Life with a luggage rack
>Are luggage racks available today? If so, I presume from the usual
>DeLorean parts sources?
Yes and Yes! The Rad Dad
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:14:06 -0500
From: "Bixby, Web"
Subject: DML: RE: luggage rack
> One the subject of cargo space, who has experience with the factory
> luggage rack? Ease of use, including removal and stowage? Is access to
>
> the engine compartment as severely restricted as it appears? I tend to
>
> check the oil at each fuel stop, particularly on the long road trips
> where I would use the luggage rack most - will I have to unload and
> remove the rack just to check the oil?
>
> James
>
The luggage rack fits OVER the louvers. With the rack
installed, it must be removed to get to the engine.
The reason I bought the luggage rack (aside from the obvious)
is that in the event you have a rear tire go flat, it will not fit in
the spare tire hold of the cargo area. However should fit nicely on the
luggage rack.
As for installation, it is simply a matter of mounting the rack
onto 4 "posts" and tightening them down with a knob at each post. The
posts swing away (under the louver) when not in use.
Hope this helps.
Web
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:06:24 -0500
From: Duke
Subject: DML: Engine for sale
I'm just about ready to add my tuned port 350 to my '81 DMC and was =
wondering if anyone would be interested in purchasing my old engine. It =
has 98k on it but I've haven't had many problems out of it. I'm only =
swapping out the engine because I want more power. Also, I have been =
thinking about swapping my DMC for another DMC that is an 5 speed. I've =
heard that its better to go with an 5 speed over an automatic when doing =
an engine swap. If you are interested or have any questions please =
email me:
duke@entremob.com=20
Also, I've added A LOT of links to my web page and you can also see a =
picture of my DMC @
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
Thanks,
Duke Bladorn
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:11:47 -0500
From: "C. Longwisch"
Subject: DML: Floor Mats
Have an 82 D in strong 2 condition . Anyone know where I can get a pair of
good floormats reasonable?
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 21:10:19 -0400
From: The Lees
Subject: DML: Production Chronology
For your info, as I was driving through Blackburg, Va over the weekend I
noticed a very weathered DMC in the parking lot of a business called New
River Rental. The front fascia is missing and the interior is quite
trashed both from the sun as well as disassembly.
The VIN is 7042.
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:51:18 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON
Subject: Re: DML: "maybe first time buyer" -Reply
>A stock 302 will output around 220
>HP and 200lbs torque, right around the same you'd get from twin-turbos.
>But it also has the added benefit of nice low-end torque that you won't
>get out of a twin-turbo.
The 302, having a cast iron block, ( as does the chevy V-8 ) weighs in
considerably heavier than the PRV. The DeLorean's rear engine
configuration
was handled quit well by Lotus with the larger rear tires and such but
there
is a point when a rear engine car switches from under steer to over steer
and the pendulum effect of the heavy V-8 would only amplify this to the
point of being almost dangerous. A Buick V-6 would work better and there
is
a wide array of performance parts around for those engines. Don Steger, of
the DeLorean Motor Center in Garden Grove, California, used to sell a bell
housing that would adapt that engine to the DeLorean 5 speed although I
don't know if he still does.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:28:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeloreanGY@aol.com
Subject: DML: DeLorean Restoration
I was wondering if a DeLorean is fairly easy to restore other than finding
exact parts? I am talking about the motor. Are there any special
electronics on the motor or any other part like on the new cars of today?
Thanks
Jason
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:36:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: MICHAEL BABB
Subject: Re: DML: More opinions for "maybe first time buyer"
As for the question of Financing:
I purchased my DeLorean in March from DeLorean Motor Company in Houston.
I was too impatient to save the money up and then buy so I went and talked
to my Credit Union loan officer. They would not write a loan for a
Delorean that was over $12k UNLESS it had been appraised at a higher
value. I got an appraisal on the car from DMC and flew down the next
weekend with check in hand!
Having worked in the banking industry, my suggestion would that if your
bank won't write a loan, check with other banks in the area. Most places
will write auto loans even if you have had no prior association with the
bank
Michael Babb, MCSE
Microsoft Technical Education
Computer Decisions Inc.
Phone 919.460.7604
Alpha Pager (Raleigh) 919.389.2695
mikebabb@vnet.net
http://comp170.cditrain.com/delorean
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Date: 8/6/97 1:23 PM
From: Rob Corkum@world.std.com (rob.corkum@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca)
Subject: re: DML: luggage rack
> As for installation, it is simply a matter of mounting the rack
> onto 4 "posts" and tightening them down with a knob at each post.
> The posts swing away (under the louver) when not in use.
> Hope this helps.
> Web
Does the installation of the "posts" require any holes or other
modifications? Or is it complete removable without a sign that it
was used?
Thanks!
Rob Corkum
rob.corkum@hrdc-drhc.ga.ca
DMCC
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:54:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: TarekT@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
I put a \\ VIPER // alarm on my D. Its been the best thing i've put on
my
car for the money. The keyless entry feature is really nice and was easy
to
install. This will also help keep insurance costs down.
Tarek
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 07:45:30 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
>I put a \\ VIPER // alarm on my D. Its been the best thing i've put on my
>car for the money. The keyless entry feature is really nice and was easy to
>install. This will also help keep insurance costs down.
> Tarek
A year or so ago someone tried to break in to my car at work. I promptly
put in a VIPER alarm and was very happy with it. I did not have them tie
it into the locks as I did not want them fooling with locks, knowing they
are occasionally problematic. Immediately I learned to disarm the alarm
before unlocking the door as the "kick" of the solenoid would trigger the
alarm.
Earlier this year my girlfriend took the car to the high school she
teaches at and I got to meet one of her students. He heard the
characteristic "chirp" of the VIPER alrm and pulled an device out of his
backpack that in a matter of a minute or so scanned the codes and
disarmed the alarm.
That, and the fact that most people are oblivious to alarms, makes me
believe that I'm better off with my kill switch, my car cover, and
prudent parking.
James
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 07:47:48 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: Floor Mats
>Have an 82 D in strong 2 condition . Anyone know where I can get a pair of
>good floormats reasonable?
All of the parts houses (DMC Houston, PJ Grady, DMC, etc) sell repro
floor mats in black or gray and they run about $125-$150 a pair if memory
serves...for the concours crowd - black with white letters was the only
official color floormat offered by DeLorean Motor Company as a dealer
option. Gray was created by the parts houses.
James
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 03:40:49 -0500
From: pool
Subject: Re: DML: Engine for sale
How much do you want for the engine? Does it leak any oil, burn
antifreeze
or anyother problems? If the price is right and the engine is in good
shape
I might be interested.
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 05:12:47 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Engine for sale
Duke - keep us posted on the engine swap.
My first D was an automatic. I installed twin turbos on it. I wouldn't
do
it again simply because I don't believe that the auto will stand up to the
increased horsepower if you use it often -- and isn't that the reason you
are going this direction in the first place.
Rob Grady says that the automatic tranny is one of the weakest links in
the
car. It will take the 130 HP okay, but won't stand up to much more.
Dick Ryan - The Rad Dad
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 9:26:59 -0400
From: "Rob Corkum"
Subject: re: DML: Of Cars
> Also, do you think the DeLorean can last going across the
> country into Canada, if I bought it and tuned it up and fixed
> up all the parts it needed? How much would that cost me?
>
> Thanks,
> Amir
I believe many people have driven their DeLorean "across the US".
My car came from Florida to end up residing in Toronto. If you have
reservations on the car's ability, perhaps Delorean One's or DMC's
trailer pickup and fix might be an option. Failing that, a good
CAA or AAA PLUS membership is in order. (They can flatbed you over
200 km. if you're in a pinch) Cost, of course, will depend on the
condition of the car. You'll want to check all the main mechanical
systems for leaks or deteriation, engine, hoses, brakes and their
lines, tires for wear and cracks, cooling system, oil, etc. You
could get away with a couple hundred dollars for its inspection and
on up if there are things to fix.
Also, you could have the car shipped to the border and pick it up there.
The previous owner should be able to help you with how often it was
driven on a regular basis...
Rob Corkum
rob.corkum@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca
DMCC
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:23:14 -0700
From: Dan Berglund
Subject: DML: RE: DMC National Dealer List
>>I've seen a lot of information out there, but I have yet to see a list of
>>the original DeLorean Dealerships and Authorized Repair Shops.
>When I purchased my car it came with some pieces of literature that came
>with
>the car originally. One of these is a brochure called the DMC National
>Dealer
>List which lists the names, addresses and telephone numbers of all
>authorized
>DMC dealers as of July 1, 1981. A brief bit of information at the
>beginning
>of the brochure states that DMC was looking to maintain an organization of
>approximately 350 dealers nationwide. All dealers were considered
>authorized
>service facilities at the time. If anyone would like to know the listing
I have the same thing but mine was as of December 1st 1981. It would be
interesting to see if it changed much between July and December.
Dan Berglund
Nov '81 Vin# 6623
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 07:52:56 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Side stripes
>>I'm getting close to purchasing my first DeLorean and was hoping someone
>>could answer some questions. The car has the 2 inch DMC stripe on the side.
>>Does anyone know the history of the stripe (how many were made with stripes,
>>etc.). I really don't like the look of the car with it that much, but am
>>trying to convince myself that it doesn't matter and is actually an extra
>>benefit to the car.
>
>My car also has the black stripe running down the side. From what I
>understand, this was a dealer option determined by the original purchasers
>preference so I doubt we'll ever know how many actually have this stripe.
>I suppose if you really don't like it you can just peel it off. In fact
>mine is starting to pull back on its own in some places.
In addition to the big black stripe like seen in the book SSI, the narrow
gray side stripe was also offered. Both were dealer options, and I
believe that both are still available from parts houses. They are made of
3M ScotchCal material and are pretty durable if properly applied. I
recently bought the narrow gray stripe (about $90 if memory serves).
James
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 11:45:56 -0400
From: Bruce A Wilcoxon
Subject: Re: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
(snip)
>
>Earlier this year my girlfriend took the car to the high school she
>teaches at and I got to meet one of her students. He heard the
>characteristic "chirp" of the VIPER alrm and pulled an device out of his
>backpack that in a matter of a minute or so scanned the codes and
>disarmed the alarm.
You must have an old alarm. For the past three years all the top notch
alarms use a digital encoding algorithm that almost randomly changes the
activation code which makes it extremely dificult to scan the RF code.
Basically the code changes everytime you press the button to
activate/deactivate your alarm.
Bruce
Bruce A Wilcoxon
Off Beat Sound
2785 Tigertail Ave #309
Coconut Grove FL 33133
bawilcox@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:46:17 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: RE: DMC National Dealer List
Since you asked, I do think it would be neat to have this info available
on the web.
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:09:20 -0400
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: my go-cart comment
Those of you wandering what I refering to by
my go-cart comment. I was just refering to
the overall feel and handleing of the car.
Very low on the ground, wide, never need to
use your brakes now matter how tight the curve.
And, not exactly the ride of a lincoln.
- -Brandon
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:35:17 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: luggage rack installation details
Rob Corkum asked:
> Does the installation of the "posts" require any holes or other
> modifications? Or is it complete removable without a sign that it
> was used?
You must remove the rubber moldings on which the sunshade rides.
Then you drill small holes in the stainless which will be covered when
the molding is replaced. After you install the posts, you must cut four
slots in the molding with a utility knife so the molding can fit over the
posts. Before cutting the rubber molding I recommend applying heavy
doses of a polymer protectant (Armor All, Son of a Gun, etc. allowing
time to soak in) to help keep the material supple and flexible.
The drilling and cutting sounded bad (at least it did to me) until I saw
the
posts installed on one of my friend's cars. With the rack removed I could
not tell the posts were there at all. Since the luggage rack was a
DeLorean factory product I consider it to be an original option. I also
believe it adds to the value of my car, since it allows me to carry a flat
tire or enough luggage for a long trip.
Anyone should be able to install their own luggage rack. It is easier
with
two people, so you can make sure everything lines up perfectly on both
sides. The kit comes complete with good installation instructions,
although the protectant tip was my idea.
Two comments on the instructions:
1) You will be tempted to try to use a smaller drill bit than the
instructions
specify. I know it is heartbreaking to drill into the stainless, but no
matter
what you do you will end up using the recommended drill bit.
2) If you have a very early car (like me) you need to measure carefully.
The instructions assume your sunshade struts are on a riveted mount
(they use the location of rivets to line up the posts) but my mount had no
rivets. Fortunately the rack is adjustable, which makes it somewhat
forgiving.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:17:21 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono@phila.gov
Subject: DML: De Lorean Midatlantic Calendar of Events -- Summer 97
August 17
Valley Forge 97, Lambda Car Club International,
Annual Invitational Car Show
The Desmond Great Valley Hotel, Malvern, Pennsylvania
Route 29 just north of Route 202
Compete for awards. Registration: $10
Registration Form: aldo.buono@phila.gov
August 24
"A Taste of Britain", Lancaster, Pennsylvania
No judging. Polo Game and Lots of British Cars including De Lorean.
Info: Dennis at 717-548-3478.
September 13 and 14
De Lorean Eastern Regional Run 7
Annual East Coast Convention of De Lorean owners.
Richmond, Virginia
Road Rally, Party at the Virginia Aviation Museum.
Car Show held in conjunction with Richmond British Car Days
at the Berkeley Plantation in Charles City, Virginia.
Registration and Info: ADURICK.MG@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
September 21
Third Annual Transportation Show
Mid-Atlantic Air Museum, Reading, Pennsylvania
No competiton, just show.
Registration and Info: 610-372-7333
September 27
English Car Day at Graeme Park, Horsham, Pennsylvania
Registration and Info: Mike Nitroy, 215-672-0613 or
Marty Snyder, 215-242-1719
September 28
"Meeting of the Marques '97"
Scenic Allenberry Resort on the Yellow Breeches in Boiling Springs,
Pennsylvania, just southwest of Harrisburg.
Competition for all British marques! Popular Vote.
Registration and Info: britishmom@aol.com
De Lorean Midatlantic is the De Lorean owners club of the
midatlantic
states. Annual Membership is $12. Benefits of membership include:
annual complimentary door adjustment tech/social in the spring,
annual complimentary safety inspection by Rob Grady of P. J. Grady,
****parts interchange list***, membership directory, newsletter with
social events.
Send check made out to "De Lorean Owners" to: Dick Lash, De Lorean
Midatlantic Treasurer, 409 Lark Drive, Newark, DE 19713.
302-368-8273.
Aldo Buono, President
aldo.buono@phila.gov
VIN: 1440
DMC
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 10:05:38 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Cooling inhibited with luggage rack? and cases..
How does a loaded luggage rack affect cooling if at all? I drove my car
most of the summer without the louvre on it and it ran hot. Putting the
louvre back on cured the problem. I imagine that the louvre draws air
into the engine compartment - covering it with a loaded luggage rack
would again inhibit the airflow - yes or no?
Also, Mike Substelny wrote:
>I use a pair of rigid, black, wedge-shaped cases, the kind that fits behind
>the back seat of a pickup truck. They mate together perfectly and are
>very easy to fasten down or remove. I shined them up with a little Armor
>All and found the black color and wedge shape look great with a DeLorean.
On Mike's initial reccomendation for these cases last year, I bought a
pair and love them - one of the few purchases I've made at Wal-mart that
I have been happy with! They fit very nicely in the front luggage
compartment also. I bought a set of the DMC stainless letters and applied
them to the cases for an extra touch - many people think they are
original equipment, like the fitted luggage on the 300SL.
James
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 13:13:00 -0400
From: Dan Baisley
Subject: Re: DML: Alarm n' other stuff
At 11:45 AM 8/6/97 -0400, Bruce A Wilcoxon wrote:
>(snip)
>>
>>Earlier this year my girlfriend took the car to the high school she
>>teaches at and I got to meet one of her students. He heard the
>>characteristic "chirp" of the VIPER alrm and pulled an device out of his
>>backpack that in a matter of a minute or so scanned the codes and
>>disarmed the alarm.
>
>You must have an old alarm. For the past three years all the top notch
>alarms use a digital encoding algorithm that almost randomly changes the
>activation code which makes it extremely dificult to scan the RF code.
>Basically the code changes everytime you press the button to
>activate/deactivate your alarm.
>
Polymorphic coding protects you against code grabbers that "listen" to your
transmitter, but they don't do diddly against code scanners, that iterate
codes until they find the correct one.
__
If life is going to exist in a Universe of this size, then the
one thing it cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion.
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