DeLorean Mailing List - 2/19/97
dmcnews-digest Wednesday, 19 February 1997 Volume 02 : Number 213
In this issue:
Back Issue News!!
Those wonderful folks at KAPAC (and keys) Monthly List Guidelines
Re: BRAKE LIGHT
DeLorean Video
Re: BRAKE LIGHT
Transmission Fixed
Where's Dick Ryan?
deloreans
Re: DeLorean Price
Message Glitch
Where's Dick Ryan?
Re: Transmission Fixed
Dealerships?
Re: Message Glitch
Re: Jack Handle Sleeve?
DeLorean Dealerships
Re: DeLorean Dealerships
More relay and door opening info
Re: DeLorean Dealerships
Re: DeLorean Dealerships
Engine Fires???
DeLorean for Sale Pictures
Cracked dash fix???
Re: Cracked dash fix???
Too Tall?
Re: BRAKE LIGHT
Re: DeLorean Dealerships
Re: DeLorean Dealerships
Re: Engine Fires
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From: James Espey
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 08:18:44 -0000
Subject: Back Issue News!!
As of last night, the back issues of the DeLorean Mailing List have been updated
through January 17, and should be current by the end of next week. DMC-News is
fortunate to have the services of Ian Haddock, a list member from California, as
the "Back Issue Man". A month or so ago, Ian graciously answered my call for
assistance and has stepped in to ensure that the back issues are posted in a
more timely manner.
Additionally, Ian has implemented a MUCH better system of navigating from one
"back issue" to another. At the end of each digest is a "link" to either the
"NEXT" or "PREVIOUS" issue. This has only been implemented on the 1997
editions, other plans are in the works for the 1995 and 1996 issues.
Questions, comments, and suggestions concerning the back issues should be
directed to Ian (backissues@dmcnews.com), while questions, comments and suggestions
regarding the list itself should still come to me.
A BIG, BIG THANKS to Ian for taking the time from his busy schedule to catch
up the back issues and making the committment to keep them current!!
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com Coming in '97 - http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: James Espey
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 08:18:48 -0000
Subject: Those wonderful folks at KAPAC (and keys)
Every time I talk to Jane, Jackie or Jerry at KAPAC, I feel a bit more
comfortable owning my DeLorean. Knowing that I can order practically any part
from them, and get some of the best technical advice as well, makes me feel
just as confident driving my DeLorean as I would if if I were driving a Honda.
I participated in concours last year with my DeLorean (a car that I **drove**
1800 miles to concours) and was met by Jackie and Jane with some last minute
parts that I needed. For those that weren't around the list then, I missed
third place by 2 points, and was only out of first by 22 points (out of a
possible 300).
In preparation for concours this fall at the DOA expo in Aspen, Colorado I
have been studying the concours rules, my judging sheets from last year, my
car and my wallet. The wonderful event hosted by Chapter 23 at KAPAC last
fall (see allowed to me to
purchase a bunch of the parts and pieces I was lacking.
Last week I called my friends at KAPAC in search of new floor carpets. Since
the colors varied among the gray interiors, they suggested I send a sample of
my carpet that they would try to match. I had been told by one of teh DeLorean
parts/service facilities that no passenger side carpets were left any longer.
I was kind of bummed since that side is the one I need the most (battery leak
before I owned the car). A few days after sending in the sample, I got a call
from KAPAC and they had found a match for the drivers side AND one for the
passenger side as well. I expect them to arrive any day now!
Jerry also took my ID# and is searching for a key for me as well from the
"stash" of pre-cut keys that they still have. In the meantime, I was able
to have a key made locally FOR MY 1982 (the one-key system). It's an ILCO
VO73 - X29 blank.
A big thanks to all the folks at KAPAC! Now if they could just update their
web pages...
James "Mikasa" Espey
Celebrate St. Patrick's Day with a DeLorean poster!
http://www.goodnet.com/~mikasa/poster.html
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From: James Espey
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 07:58:22 -0000
Subject: Monthly List Guidelines
With all the new subscribers, I'm posting the "DeLorean Mailing List Guidelines"
again. I'd ask that everyone take a minute and read them (particularly #7 and #8
under "THE RULES"). Thanks!
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From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:55:13 +0000
Subject: Re: BRAKE LIGHT
I'm glad others have the same concerns I have about safety.
I didn't use a Corvette light. I used a Suburban light. It is low profile and
black. A strip of LEDs' in an attractive housing that matches the curve of the
louvers. I mounted mine on the second louvre right up against the center support.
It's got a couple of tits on the bottom that need to be clipped, then the whole
thing is held in place by "peel and stick velcro". You can get this stuff at your
local fabric store. I really didn't want to drill any holes and didn't have to.
The rest is as described by Dick;
>Wires run to the "grill" where the torsion bar adjustment bolts are located -
through one of the grill openings and then over to the right to feed through the
rear quarter panel and become spliced into the wiring just before it attaches to
the rear light "board".
I put a black wire loom over the wires to the "grill", from that point they're
hidden. Splice to the ground at the base of the quarter panel. Don't try to
remove the little screw, it's actually a bolt and you can't get to the nut.
If you need a part # for the light let me know and I'll try to find it. Any
big Chev. dealer should have one.
Chris
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From: michael richard pack Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:29:00
-0500 (EST) Subject: DeLorean Video
Hi
If anyone has any film/video, archive/homemovie etc etc on the DeLorean (car,
company, JZD, GM etc) please drop me a line.
Sincerely
Michael Pack
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From: "John W. Herron" Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:01:54
-0700
Subject: Re: BRAKE LIGHT
Gentlemen:
Did some research based on Dick's information. The part number for the third
brake light off of a 'vette is 59-74-609. I was quoted $164 and $159 from
local Chevy dealers. This light fits 86 thru 88 vette's. Also, it is a SOP
...but they can get it within a day.
Looks like I'll be installing one this weekend...
Regards,
John W. Herron
DOA So. Cal #5212
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From: SCiszek@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:46:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Transmission Fixed
Thanks to all those who offered advice relating to my transmission problem
unfortunatly the problem was worse than anyone had expected. Looking under
the car at the transmission I was surprised to see a nickel size hole in the
front of the transmission casing from which the gear fluid was leaking. The
mechanic informed me that one of the bearings in the transmission had became
loose and punched a hole through the front casing. Needless to say this was
not an inexpensive fix and it seems that there is no way to prevent this from
happening. I was told by a DMC expert in my area that this was a known and
documented failure particular to the DeLorean. Has anyone else had a similar
failure with their transmission?
Scott Ciszek
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:43:04 +0000
Subject: Where's Dick Ryan?
Raddad, my server has consistantly returned the mail I've sent you since Wed.
What's happened? Sorry James, this was the only format avilable
to
get through to Dick Ryan.
Bruce Benson
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From: DMC12JR@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:43:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: deloreans
Need some info on how to get those hard to find parts or need some tech info
because you are in a trouble?? Well let me know and give me a chance to try
to help! E-mail me at dmc12jr@aol.com
Jeremy
parts locator and tech help
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From: backissues@dmcnews.com (Ian of the WDOA)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:24:32 +0000
Subject: Re: DeLorean Price
At 3:30 AM 2/14/97, Scott Tester wrote:
>I was talking to a friend about the DeLorean. As soon as he could speak he
said, "hey, you can't get that car, it's $100,000 or more!!" Unable to
convince him of the real price range until I got a Hemmings! Now he wants
one....
>Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net
Yeah, I am looking at colleges at the moment and the advisor I was talking to
flipped out when I told her of my hobby. "Thats an expensive hobby there!"
I diden't go into the subject fearing a long drawn out battle with her. =)
People can be so funny! Even when you show them the hemmings or listing
prices... they cant let go that it is not a super $$$ car... How odd.
lavista!
- -Ian
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backissues@dmcnews.com IRC: RickHuntr
Back Issue Boy and head 'whozit' of the WDOA.
(Wanna-bee DeLorean Owners Association)
Restoring a 1963 VW Bug with 115 Cloth sunroof!
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From: Mike Hirko
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:43:43 -0800
Subject: Message Glitch
Recently I received via this list two messages from [ Dennis Adams Re: Starting
problems Thu 8:25 ] that initiate fatal errors to Netscape mail & Netscape
Navigator whenever I click on either one (they are consecutive messages). I
don't seem to be able to access them for deletion: every time I click on
either one Netscape bombs. In fact, deleting messages adjacent also causes
Netscape to fail. Is anyone else having headaches from this or am I the only
one? I haven't tried contacting Netscape yet to get suggestions on a fix.
wawazat1@aone.com
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:00:08
+0000
Subject: Where's Dick Ryan?
Raddad, None of my email goes through to you. What gives?? The problem seems
to be on your end as all the rest of mine goes through. Sorry James,
I'vebroken rule # 8 but I exhausted all other avenues.
Bruce Benson
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From: STANDLOR@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 01:18:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Transmission Fixed
In a message dated 97-02-15 08:32:15 EST, you write:
<< I was told by a DMC expert in my area that this was a known and
documented failure particular to the DeLorean. Has anyone else had a similar
failure with their transmission? >>
Scott-
Talked with Ed Bernstein a couple weeks ago when your problem just occured.
He guessed that this was exactly what your problem was, if it had not been
the slave unit that had sprung a leak!
I preach the same thing time after time, use the dealers that are as far away
from you as the phone. Call D-1 or DMC when you have problems, and support them
as well and you will find in the long run that problems that you
are having can be diagnosed and solved quickly. Then you can fix that problem
with the proper part that was meant for the Delorean. Stan
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From: Scott Tester Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997
04:17:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dealerships?
Does anyone know of any dealerships that would have a DeLorean available? I
can't take the loan to buy one, so I thought maybe I could finance one
through a dealer. I would appriciate any help I could get! Thanks...
Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net
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From: Henry Breer Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 16:31:40
-0800
Subject: Re: Message Glitch
Mike Hirko wrote:
>Recently I received via this list two messages from [ Dennis Adams Re:
Starting problems Thu 8:25 ] that initiate fatal errors to Netscape mail
& Netscape Navigator whenever I click on either one (they are consecutive
messages). I don't seem to be able to access them for deletion: every time
I click on either one Netscape bombs. In fact, deleting messages adjacent
also causes Netscape to fail. Is anyone else having headaches from this or
am I the only one? I haven't tried contacting Netscape yet to get suggestions
on a fix.
>wawazat1@aone.com
Mike,
I had the same problem. My soltion was:
1. I went into my netscape directory, renamed the TRASH files something else.
2. Rename the INBOX files to TRASH
3. Went back into netscape and under the FILE pulldown, I selected EMPTY TRASH FOLDER.
This cleared the folder.
Since I also had a couple of files in the original TRASH folder that I was
not sure that I really wanted to delete, I then reversed the process of
renaming things so my original INBOX was back as INBOX and my original TRASH
was back as TRASH with the (as yet un-emptied) files.
Hope this helps,
Hank Breer
DOA 4637
VIN 1141
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From: Phillip124@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 12:59:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Jack Handle Sleeve?
My car doesn't have the jack handle sleeve either. In fact, I pulled the
jack handle out just the other day, and the far end that should have been in
the cover was a little rusted and corroded.
Phillip
VIN 7134
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From: MICHAEL BABB
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 16:04:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: DeLorean Dealerships
This is in responce to the individual who posted asking for DeLorean
Dealerships (from appstate.edu) My suggestions would be to check with DMC
in Texas and DeLorean One in CA. Although they are primarely service centers,
they also sell the marque.
If anyone is interested in info on Delorean One, let me know. I am working in
Southern Cal and am planning to stop by there this weekend and see what I can
find out about them. So...if any one wants specific questions answered by them,
please let me know.
Michael Babb, MCSE
ProSoft I-Net Solutions
michaelba@prosoft.org
mikebabb@vnet.net
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From: mack777@ix.netcom.com (James McBurney) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 18:42:41
-0600 (CST) Subject: Re: DeLorean Dealerships
Does anyone know why the DeLorean's at such centers as DeLorean One are so
expensive? I have heard that the cars are completely refurbished, including
the engine. Is this true? Also does anyone know if P.J. Grady sells DeLorean's
as DeLorean One does. I live on Long Island and P.J. Grady is about 45min
away. If they do sell DeLorean's I would be more inclined to purchase from
them.
Dan M. Christopher
Yes, my initials are DMC
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From: "Michael McDonough" Date: Sun, 2 Feb 97 00:36:43 UT
Subject: More relay and door opening info
I recently offered free info on updating your fan relay circuit and eliminating
the fan fail relay or jumper wire. I should have added to please
send a stamped long envelope and I will send you the how-to for free. Also,
the information I was offering for $5 on opening your doors by remote control
is part of a longer article I wrote on how to replace your pesky door lock
solenoids with actuators like modern cars use. Its not that difficult, and
has been reliable so far on the cars we have done. You get both of these conversion
instructions for $5, no envelope required for that. We will be reopening this
month, as soon as the paperwork is finished. Watch
for an announcement here, and call anytime (evenings to 10:00 PM west coast
time, or on weekends) for information or parts. I promise I won't ask your
VIN (unless it affects parts application) or lecture you on why you should
have been buying your parts here.
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
P.O. Box 11323
Olympia, WA 98508
PH: 360-786-0243
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From: raddad@cmn.net
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 08:02:50 -0700
Subject: Re: DeLorean Dealerships
>Does anyone know why the DeLorean's at such centers as DeLorean One are so
expensive? I have heard that the cars are completely refurbished, including
the engine. Is this true? Also does anyone know if P.J. Grady sells DeLorean's
as DeLorean One does. I live on Long Island and P.J. Grady is about 45min away.
If they do sell DeLorean's I would be more inclined to purchase from them.
>Dan M. Christopher
>Yes, my initials are DMC
Dan, if the DeLorean One cars have been completely refurbished and carry a
warranty, as I am told they do, then perhaps they are not so expensive after
all. And, yes, P.J. Grady also sells refurbished DeLoreans.
Dick Ryan
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 04:21:21 -0800
Subject: Re: DeLorean Dealerships
James McBurney wrote:
>Does anyone know why the DeLorean's at such centers as DeLorean One are so
expensive? I have heard that the cars are completely refurbished, including
the engine. Is this true? Also does anyone know if P.J. Grady sells DeLorean's
as DeLorean One does. I live on Long Island and P.J. Grady is about 45min away.
If they do sell DeLorean's I would be more inclined to purchase from them.
>Dan M. Christopher
>Yes, my initials are DMC
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Yes -
Rob does usually have refurbished D's available. I believe that he also acts
as a broker for owners looking to sell. Regards,
Marv Sterling - Whitestone, NY
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:33:19 -0600
Subject: Engine Fires???
I Love Deloreans and I might just finally get one now... I was horrified to
learn that there was something about engines cathcing on fire... or something
about ignition switches catching on fire... The 81 I am looking at (I don't
think) it had that recall done... Can you let me know all the recalls and
things that should have been done... Please help me out on what I should look
for before I buy this car... Since it is far away I would have to fly down
and buy it! SO I really want to be sure I want this thing! Please help! It
is an '81 Thank you
Jameel Ahed
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From: Duke Bladorn
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:44:41 -0600
Subject: DeLorean for Sale Pictures
I FINALLY have pictures of my DMC for sale on the web. You can see it at
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
When you click on the 'see pictures' it takes QUITE some time to load. I
saved them as gifs instead of jpegs (sorry)
Thanks,
Duke Bladorn
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From: "John W. Herron" Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:45:21 -0700
Subject: Cracked dash fix???
Cracking in dash is occuring within the speaker grill area...is there a fix for
this? I'm not ready to replace the dash...any suggestions would be kindly appreciated.
John
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From: STANDLOR@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:44:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Cracked dash fix???
In a message dated 97-02-18 10:36:02 EST, you write:
<< Cracking in dash is occuring within the speaker grill area. >> John-
Waiting to see what answers you come up with. I also have a dash with cracks
from the sun. I assume that your car is in the warm and sunny area. The sun
plays he-- with the front inside of the Delorean in Ariz. The "A" posts on
both insides of the windshield also melt and deform from the sun.
What I have done to prevent that in my prime car is slightly illegal. I have
applied a sun screen film to the inside of the windshield that has a high ultra
violet screening effect to lesson the suns rays on the dash and area. I also
have purchased a mat covering (cloth - thick) for the dashboard
which is form fitting for the Delorean. They are usually obtainable at any
auto supply store, as a special order and come in different colors, the gray
matches my dash quite well.
There are companies that repair dash problems for the new car companies I have
been told. Perhaps you can call the Service Dept of one in your area and as if
they might be able to steer you in the right direction. Stan
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From: mack777@ix.netcom.com (James McBurney) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:09:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: Too Tall?
I have heard that DeLorean's can fit a 6'5" man. I am 6'4",with this in mind can
I fit enough to move about in the car? Thanks!
-Dan
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From: RPET123@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 02:37:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: BRAKE LIGHT
I HAVE FOLOWLING THE CHAT ABOUT THIRD BRAKE LITE, A FEW YEARS BACK I INSTALED A
SET IN MY DMC .I PURCHASED 2 UNITS FROM J.C. WHITNEY FOR APROX.
$8.00 EACH .I MOUNTED THEM UPSDDOWN WITH 2SIDED TAPE IN THE THE 2ND FROM THE
TOP LOUVER I WIRED THEM TOGETHER VIA A SMALL HOLE DRILED IN THE CENTER SUPPORT,
THEN I GLUED A SMALL GAGE WIRE UP THE CENTER SUPPORT TO THE TOP CROSS RIB AND
OVER TO THE EDGE OF THE LOUVER TO A 2 LEAD CONNECTER PLUG A SHORT LOOP TO THE
BODY I THEN RAN THE WIRES UNDER THE RUBBER TRIM TO THE BOTTOM A SHORT RUN TO
THE TAIL LITES ,A SPLICE TO THE STOP LITE WIRE,DONE.
LESS THAN $10.00 AN LOOKS LIKE ORG.EQUIP.UNFORTUNATLY MY LOUVER BURNED IN A
FIRE AND I HOPE I CAN FIND THE SAME OR COMP. UNITS
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From: Kevin MacDougall Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:58:59 -0500
Subject: Re: DeLorean Dealerships
Yes PJ Grady does sell refurbished deloreans..
At 06:42 PM 2/17/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Does anyone know why the DeLorean's at such centers as DeLorean One are so
expensive? I have heard that the cars are completely refurbished, including
the engine. Is this true? Also does anyone know if P.J. Grady sells DeLorean's
as DeLorean One does. I live on Long Island and P.J. Grady is about 45min away.
If they do sell DeLorean's I would be more inclined to purchase from them.
>Dan M. Christopher
>Yes, my initials are DMC
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From: STANDLOR@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:35:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: DeLorean Dealerships
In a message dated 97-02-18 10:34:12 EST, you write:
<< Does anyone know why the DeLorean's at such centers as DeLorean One are
sso expensive? >>
Dan-
Remember the old addage "you gets what you pay for". When a company like
Delorean One or P.J. Grady sell a "refirbished" car, they (at least Delorean
One) also include a warrantee. They certify that they have gone over the car
from top to bottom, and it is as close to origional factory specs as can be
had. That is far from true when you buy a car from an owner, Delorean or
otherwise. Usually, the owner sells it because he has abused it, and is tired
of putting money into the car to bring it back to where it should have
been in the first place. Unfortunatl\y most of our owners do not take very
good care of their cars, either by choice, or otherwise.i.e. they lack
mechanical ability to do the repairs themselves and/or they have no qualified
Delorean repair facility in thier local. Read about the guy who bought a car
and drove it 1800 miles home with the windows not working, plus other
problems. Hope he bought it cheap enough to afford the repairs to the window
lifts. Plus- plus - plus, and he was warned beforehand also! Yes, you pay
more, but truthfully, you get more!
Stan
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:44:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Engine Fires
Jameel Ahed said:
>I was horrified to learn that there was something about engines cathcing on
fire... or something about ignition switches catching on fire..
I have heard of DeLoreans having fires for various reasons. In the past few
years my observation is that fires aren't more common in DeLoreans than other
cars of the same age.
Still, it's ALWAYS a good idea to keep a fire extinguisher in your car! Most
extinguishers fit nicely behind the cargo net.
If you are concerned that this particular DeLorean has not had some important
upgrade you should call a qualified DeLorean service center (like DeLorean One,
DMC Houston, PJ Grady, etc) and find out how much the upgrade costs. I am sure
they would be happy to give you a quote, which you can factor into the price
when you look at the car.
The first DeLorean I looked at needed a new rear wiring harness (due to severe
corrosion). I considered the price DeLorean One quoted me and it became obvious
that the car was overpriced. A few price quotes are VERY valuable when
negotiating a price for a car that needs work.
- -Mike Substelny
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