Friday, February 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 484
In this issue:
DML: Can't unlock storage area
Re: DML: Can't unlock storage area
DML: Governor gone bad?
DML: BTTF follow-ups
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
DML: Never Dull
DML: supercharger for the DeLorean?
DML: Re: Governor gone bad?
DML: re:DMC typeface
DML: Definitive BTTF DeLorean Answers
DML: Shape of things to come?
Re: DML: Delorean in England?
DML: If you Want an Automatic Then Buy One!
Re: DML: re:DMC typeface
Re: DML: Shape of things to come?
re: DML: Never Dull
DML: DeLorean Photo
DML: DeLorean Items on Ebay (was: Shape of things to come?)
DML: Historic Plates
DML: RE: Historic Plates
Re: DML: If you Want an Automatic Then Buy One!
DML: Re: Historic Plates
Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
DML: Master Cylinder Kit
DML: Re: Master Cylinder Kit
DML: RE: narrow stripe kits; handy tool
DML: dmc floor mats
DML: Re: Never Dull
DML: Re: Re: Governor gone bad?
DML: RE: Re: Master Cylinder Kit
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:05:32 EST From: Iznodmad@aol.com Subject: DML: Can't unlock storage area
Dear DML, I am locked out of my driver's side storage compartment. I know one that works will turn 90 degrees "left to right" in order to unlock it. Well mine just turns 180 degrees and I can't get into to save my life. Does anyone know of a way to get into the compartment or am I locked out forever? Also, while cruising down West Market Street in Greensboro North Carolina I spotted a D at a service facility. It's an 83 VIN 16710 with black interior and a 5-speed. Just wondering if anyone on the list owns this car.
Thank you, Darren Decker VIN 005000
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:37:36 +0000 From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com Subject: Re: DML: Can't unlock storage area
Hi,
> I am locked out of my driver's side storage compartment. I know one that > works will turn 90 degrees "left to right" in order to unlock it. Well mine > just turns 180 degrees and I can't get into to save my life. Does anyone > know > of a way to get into the compartment or am I locked out forever?
I just went out and looked at mine. Remove the shelf above the compartement and you can see the lock by looking down the inside with a flashlight. Should be able to open it with a screwdriver or some slim tool from above.
Chris #6301
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Manning <mannings@premier1.net> Subject: DML: Governor gone bad?
Hello,
I recently noticed a problem with my automatic transmission. When pulling away from a stop it is often very slow to pick up speed. I suspect that it is still in 2nd gear, having not downshifted into 1st when I came to a stop. Other times times just as I start going it'll make a quick downshift. I hadn't really noticed before (I've only had it about 8 months) because sometimes it really grabs and takes off fast like its supposed to and other times it does the slow start or quick down shift thing. I'm thinking that the governor might be bad since its at the 45,000 mile mark. Could it be anything else (something simpler and cheaper I hope) or if not, is there a way to test the governor to see if it went bad? Also, I heard there are transmission coolers that'll prolong the life of the governor. Any advice on using one/where to buy them? Thanks all. :)
Sean Manning VIN#1932 BAKNTYM
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:35:11 -0600 From: "time@traveller.com" <time@Traveller.COM> Subject: DML: BTTF follow-ups
GUEST MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is the end of this thread. Ding-dong this thread is dead!
Please allow me to answer a lot of the questions being posted about the "Back to the Future" DeLoreans that have been posted in recent days.
1. There were a total of 7 DeLoreans used throughout the trilogy, not counting miniatures or full-size fiberglas models.
2. The BTTF DeLorean on display at Universal Studios Florida the last time I was down there (January '97) was *not* used in the films, regardless of what the sign says. I've heard in recent months that a true film-used car has been sent to Florida to replace the one that had been down there, but I've been unable to confirm this. In 1993, Universal commissioned the construction of 4 new DeLorean time machines for promotion of the BTTF Rides. One of them for sure was sent to Florida at that time. Another ended up at the Hollywood Casinos in Tunica, Mississippi. Another was sent to a Planet Hollywood (I do not know which). And the last one was supposed to have been used for various car shows, etc., but I have no idea where it has ended up. One was sold in an auction in Los Angeles last summer, and I suspect it was this fourth car, but I do not know for sure.
3. The DeLorean used for the final shot with the train in BTTF3 was a real car, so to speak. It was a shell of a car, without an engine, and not drivable. They were actual DeLorean parts, assembled on the tracks to be easily strewn about when the train hit it. They did not throw one of the 7 cars onto the tracks to let the train hit it. The whole sequence was not done with miniatures like the scene before it where the train went over into the ravine.
To Be Continued...
Stephen M. Clark, Fan Club Representative Back to the Future=99...The Fan Club P.O. Box 880 Athens, AL 35612-0880 U.S.A. Phone/Fax: (256) 757-7979 E-mail: time@traveller.com Web Site: http://www.bttf.com/ _________________________________________________________________________
"Is this the '50s, or 1999?" "FutureFest" -- Hill Valley's first BTTF Convention is coming! http://www.bttf.com/futurefest/
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:47:48 -0700 (MST) From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
Oops, I guess I started quite a discussion. Please understand, I no longer have that car so suggestions are of little use to me now. My current car is an 83 5-speed with twin turbos and the difference is astounding.
For what it is worth, I had those twin turbos on the automatic 81 for nearly 50,000 miles. They were installed by one of the reputable, full time DeLorean service centers. (This was in 1987) The car was in for service a number of times and I always commented upon the slow pick-up. Nothing was ever found to correct it. I suspect that a higher stall speed converter would have done the trick, but by the time I figured that out, I was trading the car.
Cruising at 40-55 and needing to pass, I would drop it into second (as opposed to kicking it down via the accelerator) and it would FLY right up to 75-80. But dead stop acceleration was atrocious.
I'll not comment on this thread again.
Dick Ryan VIN 16867
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:10:23 -0700 (MST) From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: DML: Never Dull
I found it. My local auto parts stores had not heard of this product, but the True Value Hardware store stocks it in the household cleaners area.
Haven't tried it yet - car is "in mothballs" for the winter, but simply wanted to point out where it might be found.
Dick Ryan VIN 16867
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:16:09 -0800 From: "Dennis Chang" <dennis@myriad-solutions.com> Subject: DML: supercharger for the DeLorean?
I've seen it asked several times before but never answered: Is there a supercharger available for the PRV6? I have a buddy in the auto magazine publishing biz, and he-by way of his connections-has both Paxton and Vortech superchargers in his Mustang collection. Anyone ever try fitting one to their DeLorean?
Dennis. (no VIN yet; darn!)
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:32:40 -0800 From: "Dave Price" <davep2@clipper.net> Subject: DML: Re: Governor gone bad?
> I recently noticed a problem with my automatic transmission. When >pulling away from a stop it is often very slow to pick up speed. I >suspect that it is still in 2nd gear, having not downshifted into 1st when >I came to a stop. Other times times just as I start going it'll make a >quick downshift. I hadn't really noticed before (I've only had it about 8 >months) because sometimes it really grabs and takes off fast like its >supposed to and other times it does the slow start or quick down shift >thing. I'm thinking that the governor might be bad since its at the >45,000 mile mark. Could it be anything else (something simpler and cheaper >I hope) or if not, is there a way to test the governor to see if it went >bad? Also, I heard there are transmission coolers that'll prolong the >life of the governor. Any advice on using one/where to buy them? Thanks >all. :) > >Sean Manning
Sean, Your computer is dead. If you continue to drive your car you run the risk of causing more damage than there may already be. You need to have your transmission inspected and computer replaced. If there is nothing else wrong, it shouldn't cost you more than $100 to have it inspected and have the computer replaced. Just buy the computer before, some places will try to turn a profit for parts they buy.
To make extra sure your computer is dead:
1. Pop the engine lid. 2. Pull the round cap off the tranny computer wiring harness. It is located on the driver's side firewall. This should reveal 5 brass pins: 2 ROUND and 3 HEX. 3. Start the car, shift into "D". (the handbrake should keep the car from moving forward, but you may want to have someone in there holding the brake, or wedge something to press the pedal.) 4. Use a 12v test light to connect the MIDDLE HEX pin with each of the outter HEX pins (one at a time). If both positions result in the light illuminating, your computer is probably not at fault. If either or both positions result in no illumination, you have a problem. 5. Immediately drive the car to verify your problem case is happening. If not, wait overnight and repeat.
Hope this helps!
- - Dave
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:09:18 -0700 (MST) From: Montgomery Gabrys <mgabrys@netherworld.com> Subject: DML: re:DMC typeface
typefaces are NOT copyrightable in this country hence why there's so many variations on a theme out there. Now if you had a business, and copped the trademark yes youre on legal thin ice - and if you have a typeface that uses DMC as a mark in the library then there's restrictions as well. But using the face itself isn't.
Take it from someone whose been doing design with legal departments present for 9 years.
It's not that big of a deal messagewise - and can be confirmed on many websites that deal with typography and font design.
monty mgabrys@netherworld.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:03:44 EST From: DGA7782@aol.com Subject: DML: Definitive BTTF DeLorean Answers
GUEST MODERATOR'S NOTE: OK, this time a REALLY mean it. This wraps up this thread.
Hello:
I've been on the list for some time now and can say that I find the BTTF questions and speculations amusing. A few months ago, I asked Mr. Espey if he would consider making a separate FAQ section just on the BTTF DeLoreans. I never heard from him. There are a lot of theories about these cars, but I can set all of you pretty much strait. I realize though, that I am not infallible, but from a lot of research and inside knowledge on this subject, I can assure you that the following is at least 95% accurate.
I worked on the Universal backlot for some time and besides that, did a lot of research on the Back to the Future DeLoreans for my own interest. As has been said before, a total of nine (9) DeLoreans were used in the filming of the trilogy (all 3 films). However, there were only seven (7) ACTUAL DeLoreans used. The other two were fabrications, one being complete with folding wheels and another (cockpit only) made simply for interior shots. The latter of which resides at Universal Hollywood and is used on "The World of Cinemagic" show.
For the first film, the producers sent the transportation crew to the classified ads to find three (3) used DeLoreans in fairly good condition. Total purchase cost for all three was $50,000. All three cars were then taken to a North Hollywood special effects shop for modification. Two cars kept their engines and the third remained stationary for insert shots, close-ups, or, if need be, cannibalized engine parts. For the "Mr. Fusion" conversion at the end of the film, one of the cars ( I refer to as #2 ) was retrofitted with the new reactor. The best of the three cars, otherwise known as the "A" car, is rumored to now be in Spielberg's possession. This has never been confirmed (not even by me on the lot) however, it is highly likely that it's tucked away at Amblin Entertainment's well-guarded facilities at Universal.
Read the following carefully, it can get confusing. When the filmmakers started working on Back to the Future Part 2, another 3 cars (4, 5, & 6) were purchased and transformed into the "Mr. Fusion" reactor version. One of them was made into an exact "normal" copy of the "Mr. Fusion" from the first film. This car was accompanied by the two "process" cars (8 & 9) that were total fiberglass fabrications. The other two actual DeLoreans purchased (5 & 6) were reserved solely for BTTF Part 3.
During the filming of BTTF 2, BTTF Part 3 was in pre-production so that as soon as 2 wrapped up, the filmmakers could immediately get to work on Part 3. There was no break in between the filming of both movies, so the DeLoreans had to be ready for the crew. The two reserved DeLoreans were turned into both the "1955 version" with white walls and the other was retrofitted to run on train tracks and serve as the "1885 version". The location of the white- walled DeLorean is in Hollywood on the Universal backlot. It has sat outside for 9 years and is in awful shape. The grill is now missing and the interior is scrap. The train-converted DeLorean has been reported to be in Planet Hollywood-Hawaii hanging upside down from the ceiling with a large dent in the hood.
For the ending of the film, (a sore spot for all DeLorean enthusiasts) a final DeLorean was purchased (#7). This car was a hollowed out junker that was weakened and specially rigged by Special Effects Supervisor, Michael Lantieri. It was built to buckle on impact and send parts flying when the train hit. After the actual collision was filmed, set designers took additional, pre- smashed, DeLorean parts and made the wreckage more presentable and "orderly" for filming with the actors. This included repositioning thrown parts and adding the seats and smashed time circuits.
In addition to the 7 actuals and 2 fabrications, several models were constructed by Industrial Light & Magic for special effects shots. These were only used on Parts 2 & 3 and included a 1/5 scale "2015" flying DeLorean with actual lights and folding wheels, and a larger "1885" train version model that was pushed by a fully operational steam engine model. However, the DeLorean train-converted model was never pushed off the bridge. Only the steam engine was sent off the miniature railroad bridge because the movie assumed that the DeLorean had already gone through time into 1985 instead of falling into the ravine.
So, there you have a detailed description of all the actual movie cars and their uses. Most of the original movie cars are still in Universal's possession and are on display. Rarely do they leave the Hollywood lot. When "Back to the Future: The Ride" came out, a new "fleet" of time-converted DeLoreans were built and used for promoting the new attraction. These are often used on both lots (Hollywood and Florida) and are passed off as the "actual" car. Universal assumes people are gullible.
If you go to Orlando, you will see many props with signs saying the "actual so-and-so from the film..." Don't always believe these signs. One such example of fraud resides in Orlando. A sign has been placed in front of two brown concrete cats that are labeled as "The Back to the Future Clocktower Cats." They are not the actual cats though. The real ones, which are actually black, reside behind a fence on the Hollywood backlot mixed in with a huge collection of miscellaneous signs, props and railroad equipment. So don't assume the DeLoreans are actuals either. The easiest way to tell if they are fake, is to look at the Mr. Fusion and see if it is actually a coffee grinder, and then to look inside at the time circuit switch (lever between the seats) and see if the lever is just a metal rod with a ball on the end. If it's a crude metal rod with a ball handle, it is fake. Besides that, the overall look of the fake cars seems very homemade and "different" from what is seen in the movies.
However, the "Jules Verne Train" on the Orlando lot is the real thing.
This should end some of the confusion about the DeLoreans from Back to the Future. Maybe now Mr. Espey will provide a BTTF section on the website so that we can direct such questions to the definitive FAQ section. Hope you enjoyed this insightful look into the only movies that showcase the DeLorean as an absolutely awesome car.
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:22:39 -0800 From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm@skymail.csus.edu> Subject: DML: Shape of things to come?
So you've messed up that DMC sticker on the top of your air cleaner. So where do you find another? You buy it from the DeLorean Motor Company.. on Ebay.
Yep, it looks as if our central source for all things DeLorean is now selling items on Ebay. They currently have a DeLorean Postcard, an Autoweek 2/11/80 - DeLorean Sports Car, a DeLorean brochure, a DeLorean Motor Company logo label (the air cleaner part), a 1981 DeLorean Owners Handbook, a DeLorean Dealer List, a DeLorean Motor Company News Release, a DeLorean Certificate of Achievement, a DMC MailGram to Dealers, and an American Express Xmas Catalog w/DMC.
In case you want to take a look on how the bidding is going:
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=delorea nmotorcompany
Is this a trend? Will we find our fuel pumps going to the highest bidder? I doubt it. But it does show that even companies with the best of intentions can not resist the feeding frenzy that is Ebay. I know.. I can't!
================================================================ Ken Montgomery VIN #10911 Work : (916) 278-7646 Sacramento, CA 'OUTTIME' Home : (916) 944-3252 Founder, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club 'NCDMC' Please visit my website at: http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm kenm@csus.edu ================================================================
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:27:59 PST From: "Tim Pettman" <timpett@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: DML: Delorean in England?
On 16 Feb 99, cm192@city.ac.uk wrote: >I am a huge fan of Deloreans and desperatley want one, but I live in >England. The questions I want to ask are >1) Are deloreans legal on the English roads? >2) Were any right hand drive Deloreans built? >
Hi Luke, I to am a DeLorean fan in the UK, and would love to get my hands on a RHD car. However, only 8 were produced, 2 of which went to Australia, so your chances of finding one are very slim, and if you do, it is likely to cost! I know that there have been a number of conversions done, but to what quality I do not know. There are a surprising number of LHD (legal) cars in the UK, but most people that have one, are rather reluctant to let them go. Good luck, Tim
Tim Pettman tp6212@bristol.ac.uk TimPett@hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~TimPett/
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:07:34 -0500 From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@lorainccc.edu> Subject: DML: If you Want an Automatic Then Buy One!
Gary said:
> I have read many posts referring to different aspects of the automatic vs. > the manual tansmission. I was wondering are there any D owners on this > list who have an automatic who have not experienced any problems with > it? I have seen a couple D's for sale in excellent condition but after > reading so many negatives about automatics I am reluctant to buy one.
My DeLorean is a 5-speed, but I would like to buy an automatic some day for my wife. To that end I follow all the DML threads about automatic transmissions with great interest. I form this reply based on several years of reading the DML.
At its core, the DeLorean automatic transmission is a strong unit. Very close versions have been used in other European cars and they are considered reliable for well beyond 100K miles. The special quirks associated with the DeLorean automatic (governor computer location, electrical connections, erroneous diagram in service manual, etc.) are well known and documented in the DML back issues. It is possibole to correct / prevent all of these problems, making the DeLorean automatic just as reliable as any other.
I believe that anyone is capable of being a happy, satisfied automatic DeLorean owner as long as he/she does their homework. If you are serious about buying an automatic then it is worth the five or six hours it would take you to search the back issues for the words "automatic transmission" and read the stories, problems, and solutions discussed there. Each message in the back issues includes the E-mail address of its author, so if you see something interesting you can contact them privately to ask their candid opinions.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 11:31:04 -0000 From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com> Subject: Re: DML: re:DMC typeface
On 2/18/99 6:08 AM, Montgomery Gabrys shared these fine thoughts...
>typefaces are NOT copyrightable in this country hence why there's so many >variations on a theme out there. Now if you had a business, and copped the >trademark yes youre on legal thin ice - and if you have a typeface that >uses DMC as a mark in the library then there's restrictions as well. But >using the face itself isn't.
That may be, but if you look at the source code for this font, it says very plainly that it was created by AXE Creatives. Whoever this person is just changed the name on it and is passing it off as their own which IS very illegal.
James Espey
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:45:05 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Shape of things to come?
On Ebay, you can choose any handle you want. Are you sure that this stuff is really being sold by Delorean Motor Company? or just someone who has used that as their handle?
BTW, now that EVERYONE knows about delorean items on EBAY, I am sure the prices will get stupid. (Well, even more stupid). About a year ago, I was buying great Delorean stuff on Ebay for dirt cheap. Now the same things I purchased a year ago for less than $10 are selling for over $60!
Montgomery, Ken wrote: > > So you've messed up that DMC sticker on the top of your air cleaner. So > where do you find another? You buy it from the DeLorean Motor Company.. > on Ebay. > <SNIP>
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 10:42:49 MST From: "Jeff Phillips, x-4574" <PhillipsJT00.CS09.USAFA@usafa.af.mil> Subject: re: DML: Never Dull
I've been using Never Dull for years to shine almost everything other than a DeLorean. Just one of those perks of being in the military. It really works well and one tin will ast a long time. I've also seen it in grocery stores in the cleaner aisle.
Jeff Phillips Vin: nil - ---------- Original Text ----------
From: <raddad@cmn.net>, on 2/17/99 8:10 PM: To: SMTP@cs31@Servers[<dmcnews@world.std.com>]
I found it. My local auto parts stores had not heard of this product, but the True Value Hardware store stocks it in the household cleaners area.
Haven't tried it yet - car is "in mothballs" for the winter, but simply wanted to point out where it might be found.
Dick Ryan VIN 16867
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:40:55 -0700 From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: DML: DeLorean Photo
Help! I am in need of a photo of a DeLorean, doors down, taken from the passenger side: ie, so that the car looks as if it is moving from left to right. The simpler the background, the better.
I just discovered that in all the photo's I have taken in 17 years of DeLorean ownership, I have none from this angle.
The photo will be used in an ad for a non-profit club. No $$$ involved, but you will receive photo credit.
Time is of the essence - anybody out there have what i'm looking for?
email me directly
Dick Ryan raddad@cmn.net
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:36:23 -0000 From: DeLorean Motor Company <webmaster@usadmc.com> Subject: DML: DeLorean Items on Ebay (was: Shape of things to come?)
On 2/18/99 5:44 PM, Marc A Levy wrote...
>On Ebay, you can choose any handle you want. Are you sure that this stuff is >really being sold by Delorean Motor Company? or just someone who has used that >as their handle?
Over the years as we have accumulated DeLorean parts from various sources (including our KAPAC purchase in 1997), many times various memorabilia has been included. Memorabilia doesn't fit in with our normal sales line, so the items just sat here in our facility gathering dust and in some instances, being damaged.
After careful consideration, we decided that the best way to dispose of these items was through Ebay. Our reasoning included the following points:
1) Rather than let the items deteriorate, they should be in the hands of those who would appreciate them, namely, DeLorean enthusiasts.
2) We felt it would be improper of us to arbitrarily place a value on these items ourselves. We are not in the memorabilia business and have no idea what the true worth of these items are too collectors. With Ebay, the enthusiasts determine the value, not us.
3) We chose Ebay over another medium, like the DeLorean Mailing List, as with the two different versions of the list, not all participants would have an equal chance at the item. Again, with Ebay, everyone has an equal chance at the items.
Earlier today Ken Montgomery mentioned the air cleaner label, which is obviously not a memorabilia item. This item was offered in error and has since been removed. The label normally sells for $1.74. Though the bidding had reached $7.57 at the time we canceled the auction, we have offered the item to all the bidders for the normal retail price of $1.74 plus $.50 shipping and handling.
Any item that we place on Ebay in the future will be a limited quantity or one-of-a-kind collectible item that we believe deserves to be held by a DeLorean enthusiast. We believe that Ebay is the most fair and equitable way of disposing of these items,though we will continue to explore other avenues as we are made aware of them.
I hope this clears up any confusion that may have arisen.
Stephen Wynne DeLorean Motor Company 10804 Roark Road Houston, TX 77099
281/568-9573 281/568-9386 Fax 800/USA-DMC1 Order line www+.usadmc.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:54:16 EST From: Jimbo0946@aol.com Subject: DML: Historic Plates
Dear DMLer's
Has anyone gotten Historic License Plates for their DeLorean? I
called
up the DMV today here in NJ and asked them about it, but they remarked that
a
car must be 25 years old to be eligible for historic plates. My friend
informed me that in some states, not sure about NJ, that if the car company
no
longer exists and the car is not produced anymore, you can get Historic
Plates. Getting the plates will greatly help with insurance rates. Any
replies would be appreciative.
Thanks Jim VIN #15880
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:13:51 -0500 From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@mitchellco.com> Subject: DML: RE: Historic Plates
Help me out her Mike Substelney . . . . . . doesn't Dave & Linda Colley have Historic Plates on their Fire Enging Red D here in Ohio? I don't know the rules but he has 'em.
Shannon VIN# not yet! > ---------- > From: Jimbo0946@aol.com > Reply To: dmcnews@world.std.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 5:54 PM > To: dmcnews@world.std.com > Subject: DML: Historic Plates > > Dear DMLer's > Has anyone gotten Historic License Plates for their DeLorean? <snip>
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:44:10 EST From: DMC3309@aol.com Subject: Re: DML: If you Want an Automatic Then Buy One!
I have had my Delorean now for three years. It is an automatic with 20,00 miles. I have never had a bit of problem with the auto trans in it. I had asked to previous owner before I bought it about trouble with the tanny and he had told me he never had any problems with it. The only thing I had done to it was change the fluid. Just my two cents.
Robert Gorski VIN 3309
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:01:55 -0600 From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Historic Plates
>Dear DMLer's > Has anyone gotten Historic License Plates for their DeLorean? >car must be 25 years old to be eligible for historic plates. My friend >informed me that in some states, not sure about NJ, that if the car company
>Thanks >Jim
This is true here in Minnesota. If the manufacturer is completly defunct the car is elegeble. Last year they passed a bill allowing cars with these plates to not have to display the front plate.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:52:31 -0600 From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: DML:Manual vs Automatic
GUEST MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unless I see something new that impresses the hell out of me, this thread is dead.
>I disagree. Yes I understand that a 5 speed can rev up and let the >turbos spool but the difference betwwen the two shouldn't be that great. >The car will still go thru all the gears with an automatic. Granted the >launch will be better with a manual, but a twin turbo Delorean should >not have 0-60 times in the nine second range even if it is an automatic. >I think something may be wrong with his setup.
Two things make the difference. Gear ratios and torque converters. While both types share the same final drive ratio the three speed automatic with only three speeds just can't take advantage of the horsepower the way the five speed does. The DeLorean doesn't have the modern technology that allows for a lock-up torque converter so some of the horsepower is lost in the 'slush box' converter.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:21:04 EST From: MBell14632@aol.com Subject: DML: Master Cylinder Kit
I am trying to locate a rebuild kit for the Delorean master cylinder. I was informed that the rebuild kit for this item is no longer available. The Girling part #SP7243, evidently has everyone at a loss in my part of the woods. Has this part been superceeded or gone into obscurity? Thanks for any help on this matter.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:51:54 -0600 From: "C. Longwisch" <cl1954@midwest.net> Subject: DML: Re: Master Cylinder Kit
Try PJ Grady for the rebuild kit. I would check the condition of the cylinder before investing in the kit as I recently attempted to rebuild mine and found the cylinder walls too pitted to rebuild which I hear is a common problem.
Cecil Longwisch #10663 DMC 1982
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:55:00 +0000 From: "darryl@techline.com" <darryl@techline.com> Subject: DML: RE: narrow stripe kits; handy tool
Kirk (and anybody else interested) I still have 3 of those stripe kits available, for $79.95 plus $3.20 postage.
Also, I found an interesting tool in a Harbor Freight store today. It is a cargo holding bar for pickup beds, an adjustable rod with rubber padded ends which extends from 48" to 70". It makes a perfect brace to hold your door open while replacing struts, adjusting torsion bars, or doing other door repairs. It was on sale for $6.95. If you don't have a Harbor Freight store nearby, their well-known catalog is available at 800-423-2567 (or www.harborfreight.com). Its item #33077-2ACA (may change slightly depending on which catalog you have).
Darryl Tinnerstet McCleary, WA PH: 360-495-4640
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:25:32 EST From: CBL302@aol.com Subject: DML: dmc floor mats
I have some floor mats that came with my car (vin 570),that I took out,back in 1989, they are black,with silver dmc logo on the bottom right side corner,were these factory mats?Did DMC make and install mats as a option?
Claude Vin.000570
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:45:50 -0600 From: scottmueller@zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Re: Never Dull
I found a can of Never-Dull at Discount Auto Parts (DAP), I have not tried it yet either.
Scott Mueller - -----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:25 AM Subject: DML: Never Dull
>I found it. My local auto parts stores had not heard of this product, but >the True Value Hardware store >Dick Ryan
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:49:55 -0600 From: scottmueller@zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Re: Re: Governor gone bad?
SAFETY COMMENT
Please block both sides of the rear wheels when using this procedure. If you do not, someone will probably be able to buy your car for CHEAP since you may end up dead.
Scott Mueller - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Price <davep2@clipper.net> To: dmcnews@world.std.com <dmcnews@world.std.com> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:31 AM Subject: DML: Re: Governor gone bad?
>> I recently noticed a problem with my automatic transmission. When >>pulling away from a stop it is often very slow to pick up speed. I >>suspect that it is still in 2nd gear, having not downshifted into 1st when >>I came to a stop. Other times times just as I start going it'll make a >>quick downshift. I hadn't really noticed before (I've only had it about 8 >>months) because sometimes it really grabs and takes off fast like its >>supposed to and other times it does the slow start or quick down shift >>thing. I'm thinking that the governor might be bad since its at the >>45,000 mile mark. Could it be anything else (something simpler and cheaper >>I hope) or if not, is there a way to test the governor to see if it went >>bad? Also, I heard there are transmission coolers that'll prolong the >>life of the governor. Any advice on using one/where to buy them? Thanks >>all. :) >> >>Sean Manning > > >Sean, Your computer is dead. If you continue to drive your car you run the >risk of causing more damage than there may already be. You need to have >your transmission inspected and computer replaced. If there is nothing else >wrong, it shouldn't cost you more than $100 to have it inspected and have >the computer replaced. Just buy the computer before, some places will try to >turn a profit for parts they buy. > >To make extra sure your computer is dead: > >1. Pop the engine lid. >2. Pull the round cap off the tranny computer wiring harness. It is located >on the driver's side firewall. This should reveal 5 brass pins: 2 ROUND and >3 HEX. >3. Start the car, shift into "D". (the handbrake should keep the car from >moving forward, but you may want to have someone in there holding the brake, >or wedge something to press the pedal.) >4. Use a 12v test light to connect the MIDDLE HEX pin with each of the >outter HEX pins (one at a time). If both positions result in the light >illuminating, your computer is probably not at fault. If either or both >positions result in no illumination, you have a problem. >5. Immediately drive the car to verify your problem case is happening. If >not, wait overnight and repeat. > >Hope this helps! > >- Dave
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:19:19 -0500 From: Cirillo Ronald A NPRI <CirilloRA@Code80.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL> Subject: DML: RE: Re: Master Cylinder Kit
You can also try Apple Hydraulics (1-800-882-7753) if the master cylinder is pitted. They can re-sleeve it for about $70. I have been very impressed with their work.
Ron
> ---------- > From: C. Longwisch[SMTP:cl1954@midwest.net] > Reply To: dmcnews@world.std.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 7:51 PM > To: dmcnews@world.std.com > Subject: DML: Re: Master Cylinder Kit > > Try PJ Grady for the rebuild kit. I would check the condition of the > cylinder before investing in the kit as I recently attempted to rebuild > mine > and found the cylinder walls too pitted to rebuild which I hear is a > common > problem. > > Cecil Longwisch > #10663 > DMC 1982
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