DeLorean Mailing List - 1/17/97
dmcnews-digest Friday, 17 January 1997 Volume 02 : Number 207
In this issue:
Viewing a DeLorean
Re: fuel starvation
John Z. DeLorean
Buying a DeLorean in Australia (Was Greetings All -Reply)
Value of DeLorean World
back issues?
Who has Cruise Control?
Re: Cruise Control
The "missing" article from DeLorean World
Re: Who has Cruise Control?
Re: Who has Cruise Control?
Re: Who has Cruise Control?
ADMIN NOTE: Monthly List Rules
Headlight brain salad surgery
Re: Headlight brain salad surgery
Re: headlights
Re: headlights
Re: headlights
Re: headlights
Re: Headlight brain salad surgery
Headlights
Re: headlights
Posters still available
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From: Duke Bladorn
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 23:24:58 -0600
Subject: Viewing a DeLorean
>From: NathH(AT)aol.com
>Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:42:09 -0500
>Subject: viewing a DeLorean
>I'll be in Chicago, Louisville KY, Lexington KY, Knoxville TN, Mobile AL,
Pennsacola FL, Iowa City, plus I live in Milwaukee and frequently to go the
>NW Iowa area.
Nathan,
I live in Mobile, Al and would be more than happy to let you look at my 'D.
Just send me e-mail or call me (AT) 334-457-3580.
By the way, are there any more 'D owners in the Mobile or Pensacola area who
are members of the dml??? Are there any owners in the Alabama area on this mailing
list??
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From: STANDLOR(AT)aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 23:05:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fuel starvation
In a message dated 97-01-10 14:07:23 EST, jhnichols(AT)earthlink.net (James H.
Nichols) writes:
<< The only suction line is the large (aprox. 1" ID) line from the fuel pump
to the pickup filter in the bottom of the tank. The line was very flexible >>
Jim- Had the same problem with my fuel line when I worked on my pump and system,
etc. Couldn't figure out what was going on since I had installed a
new fuel intake (supply) and a fuel return line. What I did find however,
was that my new car did not have the clip on the fuel filter assembly to hold
the fuel return line. When I put it all back together, I carefully lined it
up (hose wise) and lined up the indentations for the two wires forward and closed
it up. What then occured was a noise from the fuel pump, and the next
day while driving fuel starvation. Long story -short. I still kinked the fuel line
somehow evern though I was careful, and found the cure was to loosen the clamp for
the fuel tank cover seal, turn the fuel pump sealing ring until all noise and
chatter ceased, you may have to turn in both directions until this happens, not
knowing which side the line is kinked on.
This solved my fuel tank starving problem! Also check in your fuel tank for
reminants of the clip retainer (metel) which may have caused the color change
around the filter. I found a few interesting things in far corners of the tank,
some of which are quite difficult to reach. I also had found at one time on my
other car that the fuel line was ok when out of the tank, but when
immersed in gasoline (92 octane) it become swollen, and soft, and no one is
or was able to tell me why. It was replaced by another hose and the trouble
dissappeared. Hope this helps you in some way. Stan
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From: redrover(AT)gate.cybernex.net (Red Rover) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:40:12 -0500
Subject: John Z. DeLorean
New Jersey Monthly magazine published a story last month about newsworthy residents
of New Jersey to watch in the coming year. John Z. DeLorean was named along with
such notable New Jerseyans as publisher Steve Forbes, actor
Joe Morton, and Robert Allen of AT&T. The following copyrighted item is excerpted
from New Jersey Monthly, (December 1996, P.70) and is republished
with their permission.
"John DeLorean
This modern-day Tucker now spends his time holed up at his genteel country estate
in Bedminster, trying to keep creditors from his door. Gone are the days of trying
to revive what little he has left of his grand dreams of creating an automobile
empire. In October, the carmaker agreed to let most of his 434-acre estate go into
foreclosure to pay off $8 million in loans. DeLorean says he will continue to live
in the main house. Even after undergoing two federal trials for drug trafficking and
embezzling (he was acquited of both), the 71-year-old still carries himself with the
grand style of a graying matinee idol."
We should never forget that we own a part of automotive history. People are
still fascinated by JZD and the car he created, even 15 years after the company
crashed; and after 15 years of ownership, my car still draws an interested crowd
whenever I take it out. I also find the magazine's parallel
to Tucker very appropriate.
J
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From: "Nick Storr" Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:29:36 +1100
Subject: Buying a DeLorean in Australia (Was Greetings All -Reply)
>I know the prices are not good either way, when you see some of the prices in the
messages posted here! Perhaps there are RHD cars in Japan which may be cheaper?
>I don't know about Tassie, but here in Victoria you cannot have a LHD vehicle
registered (ie You can't leave the car LHD).
I've seen a 1940s or 50s (I think) Jeep around, but it has a big orange
"CAUTION - LEFT HAND DRIVE" sign on the back, which would look a bit odd on
a DeLorean. I think you have to bea able to prove some historical value to leave
a car LHD.
>I hope I haven't scared you off.But it has put my purchase off a few years though.
>All the best, and if you find an easier (read cheaper) method of getting
>a
>car th Australia then let me know.
I'm looking in to it. Do you know if the import duties apply to incomplete cars
(eg. with major parts missing)
>(PS - there is a Delorean in Western Australia, don't know any more than that)
A friend of mine swears he's seen on down here with Tasmanian registration plates
but I have yet to fond it. The search goes on... :)
Nick
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From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:48:00
-0500
Subject: Value of DeLorean World back issues?
Hi all,
I've been debating on getting the entire DeLorean World back issue collection.
Can anyone tell me exactly what I can get out of these. Of course I can read about
people's opinions and other facts about the car during its lifetime, but I'm more
interested in the 'quality vs. quantity' issue. Will the $300 be worth it and why?
What kind of technical information comes in these issues and how in depth is it?
If anyone got either anything or nothing out of these back issues, I'd be
interested in hearing. Thanks!
Mike
VIN #10213
starman(AT)powerpage.com
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From: LordWeb(AT)aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:11:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Who has Cruise Control?
I am thinking about adding cruise control to my 5-speed. If any of you have done
this, what brand cruise control did you install?
Just wondering.
Web Bixby
#1049
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:00:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Cruise Control
My 5-speed DeLorean had a Sears cruise control installed many years ago. The previous
owner said it worked fine, but he disabled it because he mistakenly thought the
cruise control was causing the gas pedal to stick.
I reconnected the cruise last spring but I could not get it to work. In frustration
I bought an identicle unit to get the instruction manual so I could figure out what
was wrong. I still cannot find the problem; as near as I can tell my cruise should
work perfectly. It is possible the magnets have been jarred out of alignment. I never
checked the signal coming from them. I think I would need to use a battery powered
oscilliscope while the car was moving(?).
If anyone wants a Sears cruise control unit I would happly give my spare (brand new
in the box) to whoever gets the one in my DeLorean correctly reconnected for me.
I cannot testify as to its reliability, but my Sears unit looks pretty sharp. The
controls match the DeLorean interior very nicely in color, texture, and labeling so
that it looks like original equipment. The only visible part is a slim black control
module (with on/off & resume/coast buttons) that clamps to the turn signal stalk. The
computer hides beneath the dashboard, the disengage sensor connects to both the clutch
and brake pedal, and the black & silver vacuum canister blends right into the engine
compartment.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: James Espey
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 13:36:46 -0000
Subject: The "missing" article from DeLorean World
Several people from the list have questioned me about the "missing" article about
the "Car-B-Que" that is referenced in the bit I wrote about the tech seminar at
the Nashville expo. Evidently it was cut due to space limitations, so for all the
inquiring minds that wanted to know, here's the text fo the article.
************
SIDEBAR - Tech in Action!
Wild Friday night in Nashville, what to do, what to do? While some = Expo attendees
decided to check out the Grand Ole Opry, some of us = decided a "cruise night" with
some of the locals would be at least as = much fun. John Andretti=B9s "Car-B-Que",
located across the street = from the Opryland Hotel invited us to bring some cars
over for their = Friday night "shine and show" amongst the hot rods, Chevelles, =
Mustangs and GTO=B9s. "Great," I thought to myself, "we won=B9t be = TOO conspicuous."
In anticipation of our arrival, Car-B-Que manager, = Gavenn Ross had saved the best
spots for us right in front. Two = unconfirmed cases of whiplash were reported as
eight DeLoreans pulled = into the parking lot, lights on and doors up. It was so
amazing to = stand at a distance and watch the people just gravitate to the = DeLoreans
-- undoubtedly the big hit that Friday night!
It=B9s nearing midnight, and the Car-B-Que is closing up - but half = of the DeLorean
contingent is just warming up! After a bit of = discussion, we decide to cruise the
"club district" in downtown = Nashville, evidently a big =B3cruise=B2 area on the
weekends. "When = was the last time the good folk of Nashville got to see a flock
of = DeLoreans?", we reasoned.
So there we are, Micah Fryman, Dennis Schliekau, John Spangler (in = Randall Busch's
DeLorean from Iowa) along with Lori Breer and myself, = catching eyes and turning
heads on 1st Avenue when "whoosh!" a plume = of steam erupts from the back of car #3
(we won=B9t reveal the = unfortunate victim). But hey, no problem, we were all at the
tech = seminar this morning right? Having driven from Arizona, my car is = full of
tools and even two gallons of antifreeze - we were = practically the DOA equivalent of
the AAA!
So we all put our heads together (bonk!) Where to start? All the = hoses look good?
Yep.Water pump belt still there? Ditto. Cooling fans = working? Bingo. Check the
fuses in cooling fan relay jumpers. Both = are good. Hmmm. Now what?
Meanwhile...in between poking around in the fuse compartment and = engine compartment
of "car #3", all of us were answering questions -- = Is that a Lamborghini? Where=B9s
the flux capacitor? Are you with the = convention that I read about in today's paper?
How do you clean that? = How much do those cost now? How fast does it go? Did you
really drive = here from Arizona/Michigan/Illinois/Iowa? -- next time we'll print
up = a "Frequently Asked Questions" sheet and just pass them out instead!
It wasn't long before Micah Fryman remembered that Rob Grady had = talked earlier
about the thermo time switch, and by jumping the = terminals we could get the fans
running again! Into my trusty = DeLorean traveling toolbox we dove and came out with
some heavy gauge = wire, two crimp on conenctors and faster than a DeLorean can do
the = quarter-mile, we had those fans spinning again. We added a little = more coolant
mixed with three or four pitchers of water courtesy of = the Hooters we were stopped in
front of and we were off and running.
Special thanks goes out to those who joined us at the Car-B-Que and = cruising downtown!
For a last minute idea so late at night, the = turnout was great! We=B9re looking for
something similar for next = years Expo in Aspen - everyone is invited and I=B9ll
bring the tools = if you=B9ll bring your DeLorean, okay?
******************
James "Mikasa" Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com Coming in '97 - http://www.dmcnews.com/
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From: Dan Baisley Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:29:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Who has Cruise Control?
At 07:11 PM 1/13/97 -0500, LordWeb(AT)aol.com wrote:
II am thinking about adding cruise control to my 5-speed. If any of you have done
this, what brand cruise control did you install?
I can't comment on installing it on a Delorean specifically, but I did install one
on my boat of an Oldsmobile. I used a unit made by Equus. It's sold in JC Whitney,
but they don't show the brand name in the ad, just "Microprocessor-based Electronic
Cruise Control." The control unit is a black plastic case, about 3" X 1" X1". The
control is'nt too bad looking, and has internally lighted buttons. It also wouldn't
be too hard to make your own custom control panel using whatever switches you
wanted and hiding
the OEM box under the dash.
The other component is a vacuum operated servo. It is quite large, maybe 4"
in diameter and 6" long. It is supposed to be mounted to the chassis, not the
engine. Suggested mounting points were on the fire wall or on the wheel
well, I chose the wheel well. It has a pull cable, kind of like the brake cable
on a bike, which attaches to the throttle cable. I found that the cable was almost
too short to reach, but then again the engine compartment on this Olds is very
large. There are several adapters includes to connect the cable to your throttle
cable.
There are 2 options for sensing the speed. The first is to connect it to the
negative side of the ignition coil. This doesn't work very well on hills, and the
overdrive on my car confused it. It might work better on a manual. The other option
is to use the magnetic speed sensor, which is included. You
attach the magnet, encased in plastic, to the driveshaft with 2 gigantic wire
ties. The sensor comes with several brackets you can modify so that there is 1/2 "
clearance with the magnet. I don't know too much about the configuration of the
drive system of the Delorean, so you might need to get
creative in monting this stuff.
The ad says that it's not for use with rear engine cars, I suppose that this
is because the wiring harness will be to short. You should be able to extend
the wire to fit your car. Since it's a manual, you will also need a de-activation
switch on the clutch, which JCW also sells.
All in all, I'm satisfied with it. It's been about 50,000 miles since I put
it in, and it works fine.
Dan Baisley.
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:44:47 +0000
Subject: Re: Who has Cruise Control?
At 12:11 AM 1/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I am thinking about adding cruise control to my 5-speed. If any of you have done
this, what brand cruise control did you install?
>Just wondering.
>Web Bixby
>#1049
Several years ago I installed a cruise control unit made by Zemco Groupe Inc.
Phone # 415-866-7266. This is an old phone # but may still be ok. The unit reads
engine rpms off the coil and requires no pick up magnetics. It was really easy to
install and was inexpensive.
Bruce Benson
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From: STANDLOR(AT)aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 01:21:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Who has Cruise Control?
In a message dated 97-01-14 08:46:05 EST, LordWeb(AT)aol.com writes:<< I am thinking
about adding cruise control to my 5-speed. If any of you
have done this, what brand cruise control did you install? >>
I added cruise control to my five speed 12 years ago. I had Sears install the unit
when they ran a special. The brand that they used was Dana Corporation of North
Caroilina and utilized a "blue box". The color of the
control box indicated what type of unit was being used, they had others black,
red , etc.
For the most part it worked well for about 10 years then it began to give me
trouble. Contacted the company and they sold me a replacement box which has
worked O.k. since installation. I used the type that had a choice of either
putting the control on the horn/bright light indicator stalk, or a flat panal
adheared to the dash which I opted to do. I also had to drill a hole through
the dash fabric to hide the wires If you do that make sure you put the control
unit hight enough so that you can view the unit through the spoke of
the wheel easily. I understand that Sears does not sell these units anymore
but they were available from auto stores such as NAPA, etc. The job of install is
tricky as all controls have to be brought back to the engine area
under the carpet and next to the drivers seat. It does work great on long runs.
Interesting enough - I met the fella who designed this unit at the Delorean
Convention in Chicago Ill many years ago. He was attending the Convention as a
guest and was seated at the same table as my wife and I, and
was quite delighted to hear I had adapted his unit to the Delorean. Just for
interest sake, at the same table with us was also a Princess from Spain who
was a guest. Great looking young lady who charmed us all. Standlor
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:48:46 -0000
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From: Starman
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:22:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Headlight brain salad surgery
I'm exhausted.
Someone please tell me that changing headlights is supposed to be easy. I tried
changing my front passenger side headlight today and I have a feeling that the
front end is not put on the car correctly. The screw in the upper left hand
corner and the left side were impossible to get to. I could not replace the
headlight without having to seemingly take off the entire front end.
Is there a better way? There HAS to be! I mean...driving with a bad headlight
could be dangerous. I can't believe that the car was engineered to NOT allow
Joe Blow to change the headlight himself. Help?!
Mike
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From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:51:58 +0000
Subject: Re: Headlight brain salad surgery
I just went out and looked at mine. Seems pretty straightforward. The headlights
are held in place by tabs connected to the SS rim around the bulb. I only see two,
the others that look to be a bit more difficult to "remove" shouldn't be, they are
the alignment screws.
Undo the two screws that go through the tabs, pull the SS rim and the headlight
should come with it.
If you are working on the high beam you may have to remove the grill block. Not a
big deal, grab it and pull, it just pops off.
Chris
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:54:23 -0500
Subject: Re: headlights
Mike (Starman) said:
>Someone please tell me that changing headlights is supposed to be easy.
Okay, Starman, changing headlights is supposed to be easy.
Seriously, I changed headlights on both sides last year. It was so simple and
routine that I can't remember very much about it. I do not remember which screws
were where, nor what part of the bezels came off. I do remember that I didn't
remove the fascia. I also remember that I used only normal screwdrivers, no oddball
star heads or X heads or anything goofy like that. John DeLorean abhorred the fact
that Detroit made routine maintenance hard on Joe Blow.
Chris said:
>Undo the two screws that go through the tabs, pull the SS rim and the headlight
should come with it.
Yeah, that sounds like what I did.
I never gave it another thought afterwards (although at Nashville someone pointed
out that one of my headlights was aimed too high). Changing headlights on my Toyota
was MUCH more difficult!
- -Mike Substelny
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From: Starman
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:44:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: headlights
Hi all (again),
Here's the dilemma I have. Three people have stated the headlight replacement was
easy. My front fascia must be put on wrong. I absolutely cannot get to the screws
that keep the bracket around the headlight off. Two of them are relatively simple
to get to, the other two are downright impossible.
I have a feeling the previous owner had done something with the front end. It's a
1982 car, VIN 10213. There are 4 screws holding on the bracket. The right middle
one is accessed by removing a black plastic divider that runs between the headlights.
The bottom middle one is accessable. The left middle one is hard to get to, but not
impossible. The top one is skewed off to the left and impossible to reach; it's
covered by the curve of the opening for the headlights in the front fascia.
The front fascia is painted a light gray. Horrible. I'd bet that the front was in
an accident years ago. Is there an easy way to loosen and adjust the front fascia
so I can put it back into place? It really needs to be shifted to the left about an
inch. Thanks!
Mike (where are my screwdrivers?)
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:41:10 -0800
Subject: Re: headlights
>The front fascia is painted a light gray. Horrible. I'd bet that
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Headlights aside ... the fascia is supposed to be light grey, at least that's the
way mine was made ... does the front match the rear ? Regards,
Marv
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:45:16 +0000
Subject: Re: headlights
At 07:44 PM 1/16/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi all (again),
>Here's the dilemma I have. Three people have stated the headlight replacement was
easy. My front fascia must be put on wrong. I absolutely cannot get to the screws
that keep the bracket around the headlight off. Two of them are relatively simple
to get to, the other two are downright impossible.
>I have a feeling the previous owner had done something with the front end. It's a
1982 car, VIN 10213. There are 4 screws holding on the bracket. The right middle one
is accessed by removing a black plastic divider that runs between the headlights.
The bottom middle one is accessable. The left middle one is hard to get to, but not
impossible. The top one is skewed off to the left and impossible to reach; it's
covered by the curve of the opening for the headlights in the front fascia.
TThe front fascia is painted a light gray. Horrible. I'd bet that the front was in
an accident years ago. Is there an easy way to loosen and adjust the front fascia
so I can put it back into place? It really needs to be shifted to the left about an
inch. Thanks!
>Mike (where are my screwdrivers?)
The fascia is flexible enough to be moved a bit to allow access to the screws. You
may need to wedge a thin piece of wood between the headlight and
the fascia to hold it while loosening the screw. I've seen many DeLoreans with
fascias warped near the headlights and they have the appearance of droopy eyes.
I've been told that heating them with a hair dryer while holding them straight until
they cool will fix them temporarily. I don't know what causes it but I know of
another Minnesota car that shared the same
climate and "life style" as my car. It has droopy eyes while mine doesn't so
it doesn't seem to be related to climate.
Bruce Benson
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From: STANDLOR(AT)aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:07:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Headlight brain salad surgery
In a message dated 97-01-16 02:15:41 EST, you write:
<< The screw in
the upper left hand corner and the left side were impossible to get to >>
Check your shop manual at 3/5/0 and see how the SS brace covers the headlight.
There are two screws holding the top and two on the bottom. You
do have to use a long thin screwdriver, Phillips I believe, to get at the screws
and you might have to pull or tug at the facia both on top and bottom
to get at the screws, but they are reasonably accessable. Once the screws are
removed, with the aid of the long thin screwdriver work your sealed beam
out the opening, and you got it made. Just be careful not to turn the adjustment
screws, if you do by accident you will have to re-focus your headlights which is a
pain. Unplug the light replug the replacement, and slip the cover SS ring over the
light and re-install in the opening. You will probobly have to again force the
facia up and down to get the screws in
but using a second screwdriver or a small block of wood, this is done easily.
screw you retaining screws in and your done. Like the other guys said - don't make
an easy job hard. Use your shop manual
and you'll find your repairs a lot easier. Its a good guide. Stan
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From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 07:16:55 +0000
Subject: Headlights
Well, another example of errata in the manual. My car, 1981, doesn't have headlight
rings as shown at 3/5/0. I pulled the covers off the headlights ( not stock similar
to David Colleys' ) and I have the tabs on top as shown in the illustration but
rather than tabs on the bottom I have tabs to either side. There are still 4
screws and the top two would require some pushing and pulling to get to. Make
sure you have the tab screws and not the aiming adjustment screws.
The facia color is silver and is a "Ditzler" ( brand name ) color. I don't
remember the code #.
Chris
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From: sundiver(AT)hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu (J Ferrara) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:09:19 -0500
Subject: Re: headlights
>Here's the dilemma I have. Three people have stated the headlight replacement
was easy. My front fascia must be put on wrong. I absolutely cannot get to the
screws that keep the bracket around the headlight off. Two of them are relatively
simple to get to, the other two are downright impossible.
...
>top one is skewed off to the left and impossible to reach; it's covered by the
curve of the opening for the headlights in the front fascia.
My car is the same way. I had to have someone bend the fascia a bit and hold
it out of the way while I took the screw out.
- - J
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From: James Espey
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 10:58:55 -0000
Subject: Posters still available
Several people have emailed me asking if the DeLorean poster and its accompanying
5x7 are still available, so I thought I'd clear up any misconceptions about its
availability. I have enough posters that everyone on the mailing list could own
one if they wanted, but not so many that all the memebrs of the DOA could own one.
Incidentally, the next issue of DeLorean World, due out next month, will carry an
advertisement for this poster.
See the poster at:
http://www.goodnet.com/~mikasa/poster.html
James "Mikasa" Espey
Purveyor of the Posters
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