dmcnews-digest Friday, 24 January 1997 Volume 02 : Number 208 In this issue: Scratched-up SS panels John DeLorean John Z's plans for electric car Re: John Z's plans for electric car Re: John Z's plans for electric car Re: John Z's plans for electric car Can I see a DMC in Miami area please ? Screeching in NJ Chapter 43 hosts chapter 41 Re: Can I see a DMC in Miami area please ? Re: Screeching in NJ Re; John Z's electric car Knut Re: Screeching in NJ Diff. between 1977-93 book and Gold Portfolio? Re: Knut gets Knasty (was Chapter 43 hosts chapter 41) Buying a Delorean Bigger Sound Re: Diff. between 1977-93 book and Gold Portfolio? Re: Bigger Sound Re: Value of DeLorean World back issues? Re: Buying a Delorean Re: Buying a Delorean DMC Articles Re: Scratched-up SS panels, Turbo DeLorean, Rust Inhibitor Re: Tranny mount brackets / Scratched stainless Re: Tranny mount brackets / Scratched stainless re:Delorean Articles Re: Scratched-up SS panels DeLorean parts Re: Scratched stainless DeLorean Commercial for Windows Re: Scratched stainless ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aaron Barrus (AaronB(AT)slc.twc.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:08:50 -0700 Subject: Scratched-up SS panels HI all, I've been out of the Delorean scene for quite a while . . . but I'm starting to think about buying one again. I've found one that was painted once, then the paint was sanded off. Of course, this scratched up the SS quite a bit. Does anybody know of a way to smooth this out to look nice again? I remember messages about this a year ago - but I couldn't find them in the back issues. The car is priced at $7500, and all else seems to function perfectly. If the SS cleans up, it would be a good price for the car! Aaron ------------------------------ From: NathH(AT)aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:23:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: John DeLorean >From what I've read, there seems to be quite a gap in published information about John DeLorean between around 1985 and today. I read the recent articles in Fortune about him, his plans for an executive golf course, and him getting foreclosed upon, but what has he been up to in between? Not only am I fascinated by DeLorean the car, but also DeLorean the person. The two are obviously so closely intertwined. Does anyone know him, corresponded with him, perhaps is he even a lurker occassionally on our list? I'm curiuous to find out if he's been employed, family life status, not to mention his thoughts on his failed car company since information seems to have dried up in the mid 80's. Also, has he been invited to participate on our list? I'd be happy to write him a letter if no one else has, even though I suppose the chances are about nill that he'd want to bother. Nathan Hanson PS. I was just about to send this when I read the message from Red Rover. What a coincidence. ------------------------------ From: "Marvin S. Sterling"Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 04:52:48 -0800 Subject: John Z's plans for electric car Recently read an article wherein John Z was quoted as having said that he is currently working on an electric sports car ... with a power supply that would be revolutionary ... he did say that the car would have gull wing doors and would sell in the 25-30K range, the body was gojng to be made of a composite material. Has anyone read or heard anymore about this? Regards, Marv Sterling ------------------------------ From: Kevin MacDougall Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:52:47 -0500 Subject: Re: John Z's plans for electric car At 04:52 AM 1/18/97 -0800, Marv wrote: >Recently read an article wherein John Z was quoted as having said that he is currently working on an electric sports car ... with a power supply that would be revolutionary ... he did say that the car would have gull wing doors and would sell in the 25-30K range, the body was gojng to be made of a composite material. Has anyone read or heard anymore about this? >Regards, >Marv Sterling Yeah Marv I have heard this except I heard there was an 18k-25k gullwing and also a 30k-35k gullwing I also heard about a goal of 0-60 in 4 seconds. Delorean is also supposedly building or trying to build a SUV(sport-utility vehicle) Kevin ------------------------------ From: tek(AT)bridge.net Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:45:32 +0000 Subject: Re: John Z's plans for electric car Yes, I have also heard something similar but cant remember were I read it, or if I heard it in a conversation. Can you please tell me were you found the article? I would like to read it. Thanks Mike AC ------------------------------ From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 04:40:08 -0800 Subject: Re: John Z's plans for electric car tek(AT)bridge.net wrote: >Yes, I have also heard something similar but cant remember were I read it, or if I heard it in a conversation. Can you please tell me were you found the article? I would like to read it. >Thanks >Mike AC - ----------------------------------divider :-) Mike, it was either in the NY Times or the Wall Street Journal but I can't remember exactly when. Perhaps you could search their web sites. Regards, Marv ------------------------------ From: Antony.Meadley(AT)ubs.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 08:48:23 +0000 Subject: Can I see a DMC in Miami area please ? Hello all, I will be in Miami this weekend (24-27 Jan). Is there anyone near there who would be kind enough to let me see their De Lorean ? I have been to car museums to see them, but the nearest I get is usually 20 ft away (I guess they are paranoid that someone will damage their cars). Thanks, Antony - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:19:51 -0500 Subject: Screeching in NJ Hi all, Here in NJ, temperatures are getting into the teens (yikes!). My car is fine, except for a squeaking from the passenger side of the engine. It's very tough to locate. Can this be a loose belt or a frozen AC unit? What is the best way to tell and how should I go about fixing it? Thanks! Mike ------------------------------ From: Knut S Grimsrud Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 09:43:00 PST Subject: Chapter 43 hosts chapter 41 James, Marla, & Chris, Thank you for being such gracious hosts during my recent short-notice visit. I enjoyed the camaraderie over dinner and the tour of the town and subsequent road tour to the top of South Mountain. Should you find yourselves in the vicinity of Chapter 41, please do give me a call and I will show you the Portland area. James, As you learn to drive your car, you will find that with practice you will increasingly be able to stay out of the oncoming lane. With a little persistence, I'm sure your driving will improve. Best Regards, Knut Grimsrud DOA Chapter 41 ------------------------------ From: tek(AT)bridge.net Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:32:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Can I see a DMC in Miami area please ? Hi. Actually, there is one place that I know you can see a Delorean up close in miami. Its on 8th street 34 or 35 Ave (A gas Station). You'll be able to see it going down 8th st. Its parked so people can see it easily because it also for sale. The mechanic who owns it is asking for 18k. The Delorean (81 or 82) has transmission and electrical problems. Hope this helps. Mike AC ------------------------------ From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:21:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Screeching in NJ Well, the AC is on the drivers side so rule that out. Get a spray bottle, as soon as it gets above freezing, with water in it and shoot the belts. if the sound changes you found it. Chris ------------------------------ From: Mike Substelny Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:23:12 -0500 Subject: Re; John Z's electric car >John Z was quoted as having said that >he is currently working on an electric sports car ... with a power supply that would be revolutionary ... This sounds fascinating. I am quite skeptical about a performance car that has electrical propulsion. The big advantage of the Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) is that it only carries half the components of its chemical energy around as fuel. As the fuel burns the ICE essentially pulls the other half out of thin air as oxygen. Electrical cars generally must carry everything around with them. No matter what technology you develop, they always have a monstrously heavy power supply. The last thing anyone wants in a sports car is a lot of weight! This is a fundamental engineering problem that has puzzled us for over a hundred years. To me it seems unsolvable. But if anyone can get around it, John Z. DeLorean can! - -Mike Substelny ------------------------------ From: "Don Gowler-CFPO01" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 9:47:00 -0600 Subject: Knut Knut, please send me your E-mail address. The one I have is not finding it's way to you ( Knut_S_Grimsrud(AT)com.jf.intel.com ), Thanks, The Silver Fox ------------------------------ From: STANDLOR(AT)aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:42:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Screeching in NJ In a message dated 97-01-20 08:35:05 EST, you write: << , except for a squeaking from the passenger side of the engine. >> Mike- check your belt which goes to the altinator first and make sure it is good and tight according to specs. If not that, check the air intake flexable line which comes in around the water return bottle, it may have flexed and is rubbing against something which would cause your noise. Thirdly, check the hanger bracket for the muffler. If it has cracked, this would also cause noise to occure in this area. A simple replacement bracket purchased at the Delorean repair shops, D-1, DMC in Houston, P.J> Grady, Kapac, etc. Hope this helps. Stan (Standlor(AT)aol.com) ------------------------------ From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:44:25 -0500 Subject: Diff. between 1977-93 book and Gold Portfolio? Hi all, I was looking to get one or the other of these books, but I can't tell if the new one (1995) is an updated version of the 93 book, or if it's completely different. Is the 95 book good enough to get? Thanks. Mike ------------------------------ From: James Espey Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 07:19:03 -0000 Subject: Re: Knut gets Knasty (was Chapter 43 hosts chapter 41) >James, >As you learn to drive your car, you will find that with practice you will increasingly be able to stay out of the oncoming lane. With a little persistence, I'm sure your driving will improve. To quote a bumper sticker I saw many years ago - "If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk." Seriously - come back soon, Knut - it was a lot of fun! James ------------------------------ From: CDIUSAMPS(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:42:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Buying a Delorean I continue to read with interest that there are a number of people looking to buy Deloreans, especially "cheap" cars. A small piece of advise, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." When buying a Delorean, make sure you check all systems and any problems found you can live with. Keep in mind that not all parts are still available, and the short or no supply parts can be very pricey. It never fails to amaze me at the number of vehicles listed for sale that are listed as"pristine" or "showroom condition", and on inspection turn out to be garbage on wheels. As noted in this forum on many occassions, the Delorean is a good vehicle, but only when properly maintained, and unfortunately, this is not always done by owners who become frustrated or lose interest in the car. Also some owners trying to save a dollar on repairs actually cause more damage to the vehicle by using improper aftermarket parts, or having unqualified personnnel work on the vehicle. "make do" does not work with this car. Also, no matter how impatient you are to own a DMC 12, never buy a car sight unseen, regardless of how the vehicle is advertised, described by the owner, or based on the reputation of the "broker" selling the vehicle. I speak from experience on this. I purchased my first DMC after careful research and many trips to view and drive the vehicles. My second however was purchased based on photos, and telephonic interviews with the broker and the mechanic who worked on the vehicle, (I will not disclose the name of the broker as negotiations continue to correct the problem). Lo and behold the vehicle was delivered and I am embarrased to have it parked in my driveway. The broker is of good repute, but failed to uphold the contract by inspecting the vehicle prior to delivery. As a matter of fact the vehicle was never even seen by the broker. So buyer beware! A DMC 12 is a beautiful vehicle, but always do your research before you take the step to ownership. The saga continues. ------------------------------ From: Duke Bladorn Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:57:24 -0600 Subject: Bigger Sound Has anyone put on an after market muffler or exhaust system that makes the DeLorean sound a little more powerful??? Say around the sound of a V12?? (Hey, at this point I'll settle for a V8!!) Has anyone ever put glass packs on their 'D??? ------------------------------ From: Nikki Schumann Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:45:02 +0100 (GMT) Subject: Re: Diff. between 1977-93 book and Gold Portfolio? At 08:44 21/01/1997 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, >I was looking to get one or the other of these books, but I can't tell if the new one (1995) is an updated version of the 93 book, or if it's completely different. Is the 95 book good enough to get? Thanks. >Mike Hello Mike, I've actually got both books. I originally got the 1977-1993 and when the Gold Portfolio came out I went out and bought it as well. If you have not got any of these, then you only need to buy the Golf Portfolio, ALL the articles of the 1977-1993 book are included.The Gold portfolio has about 1/4 more articles in it and particularily a couple of interesting articles about the Twin Turbo D that Legend Industries were developing. As of the quality of the book, it's a pure and simple reproduction of press articles that were around at the time about the DMC12. No pretty pictures, just black and white ones. Of great interest though if you're after the facts at the time the articles came out, especially fact about the car and not about all of the side stories... Regards, Nikki. ------------------------------ From: raddad(AT)cmn.net Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:22:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Bigger Sound >Has anyone put on an after market muffler or exhaust system that makes the >DeLorean sound a little more powerful??? Say around the sound of a V12?? (Hey, at this point I'll settle for a V8!!) Has anyone ever put glass packs >on their 'D??? Early on I replaced the exhaust manifold with a "split manifold" to eliminate the crossover pipe that was creating so much heat on the automatic transmission. While at it I had "straight thru" motorcycle type mufflers installed. Sound was louder and quite raspy at higher revs. The car now has twin turbos and thus the two small mufflers that come with that setup. Chromed echo can extensions give it a very mellow, deep, throaty sound that has been appreciated by all who have heard it except for the coucours purists. ------------------------------ From: STANDLOR(AT)aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:58:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Value of DeLorean World back issues? In a message dated 97-01-13 09:06:02 EST, starman(AT)powerpage.com (Michael E. Gaines) writes: ><< Will the $300 be worth it and why? What kind of ttechnical information comes in these issues and how in depth is it? >> Mike- I've always been a proponent of having these back issues and the 2 past and now 3'rd directory handy when doing a repair on my Delorean. It serves as a technical guide as most of the articles over the years are quite in depth on "how to". I should tell you that lately, the last several years, the fellas on the board are like everyone else, and that is SUE cautious. They are afraid if they tell someone in the magazine how to do something and something goes wrong, the club will be sued for it. So many tech articles are no longer printed in depth. I just used two old artilcles on door repair, and how to set up the latch adjustments from old issues. They were invaluable. If you don't have a bonified Delorean mechanic in your area, and you can do mechanical repair work, then the magazines, and the parts manual are a necessity. Stan (Standlor) ------------------------------ From: STANDLOR(AT)aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:29:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Buying a Delorean In a message dated 97-01-21 10:06:25 EST, CDIUSAMPS(AT)aol.com writes: ><< Keep in mind that not all parts are still available >> To CDIUSAMPS- I concur with your broad statement that the car should be checked out first before purchase, but by SOMEONE WHO KNOWS DELOREANS! Do not rely on the say so of a mechanic unless you know that mechanic and trust his ability and judgement. My second car was abandoned, and I know why! The professional mechanic who serviced this car screwed up litterly everything he touched. He cut wires, disconnected parts, inserted aftermarket items with reverse wirings, manufactured parts that could have been replaced cheaply and easily, etc. However, I do disagree with your statement that some parts are not available anymore. I have not been able to find one part that was needed for the repair of my car, that has not been available when ordered from our reliable and available Delorean Parts supplier. Not one! Some parts have taken an extra few days to appear, but they have gotton to me, and I have ordered almost $5,000.00 worth of parts to fix this car so far. Thats a LOT of PARTS. I wish you luck with your car, mine is almost done. Standlor ------------------------------ From: sundiver(AT)hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu (J) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:33:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Buying a Delorean >etc. However, I do disagree with your statement that some parts are not available anymore. I have not been able to find one part that was needed for the repair of my car, that has not been available when ordered from our reliable and available Delorean Parts supplier. Not one! Some parts have taken an extra few days to appear, but they have gotton to me, and I have ordered almost $5,000.00 worth of parts to fix this car so far. Thats a LOT of PARTS. I wish you luck with your car, mine is almost done. Standlor I have been told by a couple of parts suppliers that the transmission mounting brackets are no longer available (though I suppose if you looked hard enough you could find some off a car being parted out). I ended up getting someone to weld the one of mine that was cracked. - - J ------------------------------ From: Michael Fischer Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:03:22 -0700 Subject: DMC Articles Here's a couple of article that you might be intersted in De Lorean revealed as anti-IRA move http://www.utexas.edu/students/iig/archive/aprn/96/August22/22delo.html John DeLorean's in the rough in bedminster http://pathfinder.com/(AT)(AT)2VPC(AT)gQAX3PqrVmt/fortune/magazine/1995/951225/newst rends.delorean.html - -- +-----------+-------------------------------+------------+ |___________| Michael.Fischer(AT)pipe.nova.ca |____________| | "The [DeLorean] looked like lightning" | | "and [was] just as quirky." -Justin Martin | +--------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: backissues(AT)dmcnews.com (Ian of the WDOA) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:21:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Scratched-up SS panels, Turbo DeLorean, Rust Inhibitor I'm playing catch-up with my email... sooo, here goes: At 3:08 PM 1/17/97, Aaron Barrus wrote: >I've been out of the Delorean scene for quite a while . . . but I'm starting >to think about buying one again. >I've found one that was painted once, then the paint was sanded off. Of course, this scratched up the SS quite a bit. Does anybody know of a way to smooth this out to look nice again? First of all, welcome back! Its always nice to hear from a new/ returning DeLorean worshiper. I was curious at why the previous owner decided to strip the paint off the car? It seems a painted car would fetch a higher price than a (for lack of a better term) de-painted version. Re-Brushing the car may be very hard though, weren't special jigs created (and then later thrown into a lake) to create the right 'look' for the panels? ________________________________________________________________________ At 7:22 AM 1/22/97, raddad(AT)cmn.net wrote: HHHas anyone put on an after market muffler or exhaust system that makes the >>DeLorean sound a little more powerful??? [snip] >Early on I replaced the exhaust manifold with a "split manifold" [snip] The >car now has twin turbos and thus the two small mufflers that come with that >setup. [snip] Just in curiosity, what company / type of twin turbo is on your DeLorean? Is it a Volvo turbo? Does a Volvo turbo even exist? And, the question all us kids have been waiting for... what is the HorsePOWER increase? Or is your car #502, the DeLorean rocket? =) ________________________________________________________________________ At 3:21 AM 1/9/97, Mpeak(AT)aol.com wrote: >Whoever mentioned a special product the inhibits rust in the 1/8 mailing list, is the product you are talking about an electronic unit which carries a >current through the frame thus preventing the formation of rust? I don't remember where I've heard about this product, but i think it is for sale in >the JC Whitney catalog for about $200. I'm not sure how or if it works, but >if it does, $200 is much less than the price of a new frame! >-Matt Matt, (or anyone else) All the talk about rust in the steel frame has gotten me thinking... Does the coating of the frame separate the y-chassis from the rest of the car totally or are the frame bolts, suspension points and fiberglass frame connections, open to metal-to-metal contact? thanks, Ian backissues(AT)dmcnews.com Industriall strength High School student and proud member and head 'whozit' of the WDOA. (Wanna-bee DeLorean Owners Association) ------------------------------ From: Mike Substelny Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:50:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Tranny mount brackets / Scratched stainless TRANNY BRACKETS >I have been told by a couple of parts suppliers that the transmission mounting brackets are no longer available (snip). I ended up getting someone to weld the one of mine that was cracked. The exact same thing happened to me. Apparently these brackets have a high mortality rate, and must often be replaced with a new clutch. SCRATCHED STAINLESS >It seems a painted car would fetch a higher price than a (for lack of a better term) de-painted version. My experience is that painted DeLoreans usually fetch a lower price than unpainted DeLoreans. The stigma faced by a painted DeLorean is the possibility that it has been in an accident and had body work. >Re-Brushing the car may be very hard though, weren't special jigs created (and then later thrown into a lake) to create the right 'look' for the panels? My understanding (from reading "The Stainless Steel Illusion") is that the stainless panels were brushed by hand at the factory. Originally special brushing machines were to be used, but DMC realizeded that an owner would not be able to match the machine stroke pattern if he wanted to take out scratches by hand at home. Thus the labor intensive hand brushing in Ireland. This appears to be true, since it is possible to blend out minor scratches by carefully rubbing it with the proper abrasive pad. Perhaps by "special jigs thrown in a lake" you mean the dies used to stamp the body panels. I believe Margaret Thatcher's administration dumped some of these into an artificial reef in the Ocean. Does anyone have any experience putting the brush strokes back into stainless after paint has been removed? A couple of months ago we had a conversation about the "X" that sometimes shows through the lid of the luggage compartment. I am wondering if the "X" problem gets worse after you rebrush the stainless. - -Mike Substelny ------------------------------ From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:48:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Tranny mount brackets / Scratched stainless Mike Substelny wrote: >:-( snip >SCRATCHED STAINLESS >:-( snip >since it is possible to blend out minor scratches by carefully rubbing it with the proper abrasive pad. :-( snip >-Mike Substelny - ----------------------------------------------:-) Mike - What is the proper abrasive pad and where do you get one ? I have been using scotch brite pads but just can't get the right look. Regards, Marv Sterling ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Phillips, x4300" Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:57:36 MST Subject: re:Delorean Articles Hey everyone, I just read the article on JZD and the DeLorean being an Anti-IRA move. Can someone who knows a little more about this subject shed some light on it. I just don't see how the D was a anti-IRA project. Jeff "In-the-know" Phillips ------------------------------ From: STANDLOR(AT)aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:22:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Scratched-up SS panels In a message dated 97-01-23 15:01:12 EST, you write: << weren't special jigs created (and then later thrown into a lake) to create the right 'look' for the panels? >> THE DIES FOR THE PANELS WERE THROWN INTO THE ENGLISH CHANNEL NOT JIGS. USE SANDPAPER FIRST, THEN PADS OF LESSER DENSITY SUCH AS SCOTCH BRITE PADS TO GIVE THE LINES TO THE BRUSHED METAL. ------------------------------ From: "Arne Hofmann" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:45:16 +0000 Subject: DeLorean parts Hello, for my '81 DeLorean I need the following parts: - - camshaft right - - gasket kit engine - - cylinder head bolts - - 1 lifter - - crank shaft bearings Has anybody an idea, where I can get these parts ? (must be shipped to Germany) My Volvo Dealer has big problems with the engine numbers. He found i.e. 3 different cam shafts for the PRVengine. Arne ------------------------------ From: STANDLOR(AT)aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:37:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Scratched stainless In a message dated 97-01-23 21:02:34 EST, you write: << What is the proper abrasive pad and where do you get one ? I have been using scotch brite pads but just can't get the right look. >> MARV - I HAVE BEEN USING SEVERAL COMBINATIONS TO GET THE PATTERN IN ORDER. 1- SCOTCH BRIGHT PADS - THE ONES WITH THE HANDLES, AND THEY COME IN 3 DIFFERENT FLAVORS - LIGHT, MED, AND HEAVY DUTY. I USUALLY START OFF WITH CARPENTERS STEEL WOOL THOUGH, OF A REAL FINE QUALITY, AND GET THE PATTERN GOING, AFTER THE MESS IS CLEANED UP, OR THE PATTERN SET THEN I START WITH THE PADS. WORKS WELL FOR ME. I HAVE USED FINE AND EXTRA FINE SANDPAPER FOR DEEP SCRATCHES, BUT USE IT SPARINGLY AND LIGHTLY! ------------------------------ From: James Espey Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 07:38:58 -0000 Subject: DeLorean Commercial for Windows I was recently sent a Windows version of the DeLorean commercial "snippet" that is on the DeLorean Mailing List home page, but I have no way to test it. Before I post it, I'd like to email it to someone who can test and verify it works - any volunteers? It's about a 2MB download, in .ZIP format. Email me. James ------------------------------ From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:48:28 +0000 Subject: Re: Scratched stainless Don't EVER use steel wool of any kind on your car!!! Very small pieces of the wool get into the grain and rust, making marks you won't be able to get out. If you have places on your car that have been damaged and need to be re-textured to match, you need this tool. It's a "Sand-O-Flex model 350R. I don't know where I got it but I got some replacement abrasive strips for it from my local lumber yard. Chris ------------------------------ End of dmcnews-digest V2 #208 *****************************
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