Monday, January 5 1998 Volume 03 : Number 317
In this issue:
DML: Parts cross reference utility expiration
DML: Future Delorean owner...
Re: DML: Shift change problem
Re: DML: Delorean Wiring Diagram
DML: Re: 1998
DML: RE: Re: A Yuckey Story.
Re: DML: Re: A Yuckey Story.
DML: Re: Black Again
DML: Re: Remote Starting of De Lorean.
Re: DML: Shift change problem
DML: January duPont Registry
Re: DML: DeLorean vs. Corvette
Re: DML: Oxygen sensor, mixture control, and oxygenated fuels
Re: DML: RE: Re: A Yuckey Story.
DML: Rob Grady (Was Re: a Yuckey story)
DML: Oxygenated Gas..
DML: Re: A Yuckey Story.
Re: DML: Rob Grady (Was Re: a Yuckey story)
DML: Re: Black Again
Re: DML: RE: Re: A Yuckey Story.
DML: BTTF Props Display in Orlando
Re: DML: RE: Re: A Yuckey Story.
DML: Red DeLorean
reDML: Shift change problem
DML: Baffled over the Fuel Baffle !
[Fwd: DML: A Yuckey Story.]
DML: Sticky Steering Rack
DML: DMC for sale
Re: DML: Re: A Yuckey Story.
DML: Red D VIN Number
[Fwd: DML: Baffled over the Fuel Baffle !]
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 97 16:35:00 PST
From: Knut S Grimsrud
Subject: DML: Parts cross reference utility expiration
I just realized today that I have inadvertently forgotten to disable the
auto-expiration of the pre-release version of the DMC parts cross
reference database utility, so those using the utility will be
disappointed the next time you launch it since it will complain about
having expired.
Fortunately, I will be uploading a new version on Monday that adds a
couple parts cross reference libraries as well as a couple new features
including print capability. For download convenience, the program will
also be broken into two separate parts -- one for the bitmaps of the
various parts diagrams (which don't typically change between releases)
and one separately installable part for the actual program and parts
cross reference lists. This will hopefully reduce the download burdens
for those trying to keep up with the myriad of program updates I have
been posting lately.
Sorry about any inconvenience to those which have copies of the program
that expired today.
Happy New Year!
Knut Grimsrud
DeLorean Club of Oregon
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:29:13 EST
From: NJP548
Subject: DML: Future Delorean owner...
Hey All DMLers:
I found a DeLorean for sale for only $6500. The only things i
need
so far is the inner window that goes down on the drivers side. Another
thing
is that it wouldn't start and the doors won't open if their life depended
on
them, i mean i almost got stuck in it when i was leaning over init and it
fell
on my feet. If anyone of you have that window for sale I would like it
if you
would e-mail me a NJP548@aol.com.
Thanks,
Nick
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:15:38 +0000 (GMT)
From: The DMC-12
Subject: Re: DML: Shift change problem
I know of a D that refused to go into 5th because the gator around the
stick was in the way, so you had to lift it (the gator) up.
Martin
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:15:44 -0500
From: The Lees
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean Wiring Diagram
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
>
> Although still on vacation, I managed to get a friend to go
> to my shop and take a few photographs of the Wiring Diagram
> and one of my current projects. The quality of the photographs
> is nothing to get excited about but it should give you guys an idea
> of what it looks like. I have had many request for orders already
> but also several requesting the photo be put on the web for
> viewing. SO, here it is. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7872/
>
> -Brandon
> bsmoody@kih.net
I'm not sure if it would be of help to anyone, but I also have a copy of
DMC engineering drawing 106072 (2 sheets) which was the wiring diagram
we were using at Legend Industries for the early vehicles when making
the conversions to the prototype turbo test mules.
Let me know if you're interested and I can enquire about the cost to
duplicate. It will need to be a photocopy, as I do not have a sepia.
Bob Lee
REL14@oeonline.com
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:10:40 -0500
From: Yugoman@webtv.net (Ralph Isenberg)
Subject: DML: Re: 1998
Happy New Year to all DMC owners and admirers. Let's all show off the
most beautiful car in the world at every opportunity, and don't forget
John Z.'s birthday. I'm sending a card out today. Everyone have a great
DeLorean year! Ralph Isenberg 81 VIN 2324
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:14:11 -0500
From: Rob Hook
Subject: DML: RE: Re: A Yuckey Story.
Umm... He did say that it was Rob Grady. Rob Grady has a reputation
for being one of the best DeLorean mechanics out there. Blow-by is a
pretty serious problem but rebuilding the DeLorean engine is not hard as
I believe it has slide-in cylinder liners. Rob's time is expensive but
he is one of the best.
- --Rob Hook
>My suggestion - find another mechanic. There is nothing particularly
>special about doing a top end job on your DMC. You could buy a whole
>rebuilt motor and have it installed for that kind of money. Don't let =
>the place hose you pal. Phone around a bit.
>Gary
>> According to Rob, one of the cyliners has 80% blow by. Should be less
>> than $3000 to replace the rings. AGHAAARHA!!!
>> I think I am going to just drive it that way.. As much as I HATE to do
>> it, $3000 is a heck of a lot of money! Hope I dont break down on the
>> way to Ohio!
>> Marc
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:12:42 -0800
From: "lseiler@radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: Re: A Yuckey Story.
At 03:23 PM 12/31/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi there Mark,
>
>My suggestion - find another mechanic. There is nothing particularly
>special about doing a top end job on your DMC. You could buy a whole
>rebuilt motor and have it installed for that kind of money. Don't let the
>place hose you pal. Phone around a bit.
>
>Gary
>
>----------
>
>>
>> According to Rob, one of the cyliners has 80% blow by. Should be less
>> than $3000 to replace the rings. AGHAAARHA!!!
>>
>> I think I am going to just drive it that way.. As much as I HATE to do
>> it, $3000 is a heck of a lot of money! Hope I dont break down on the
>> way to Ohio!
>>
>> Marc
>>
>
reply
Hi Mark,
I agree with Gary, I have been pricing brand new engine Long Blocks Which
are about $1200. I have also been offered several complete DMC engines
(never used in DMC) for barely over $2K.
Call Houston and ask them what a new mill will go! Installing the engine
is not a big deal, check "Automotive engineers" in your area. They can do
the whole Job for around $800 +/- change.
I would get the compression check elsewhere just to confirm the current
readings.
Lee
VIN#5729
Lic:81DMC-12
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:04:03 -0700
From: "John Kyler"
Subject: DML: Re: Black Again
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE USED MANY TIMES AND IT WORKS GREAT. IT IS AVAILABLE
(MAIL ORDER)THRU "AUTO-EGO" I THINK IN NEW YORK.. THEY ADVERTISE IN AUTO
WEEK... THEY ALSO SELL TECHRON FOR YUR FUEL.
I DONT HAVE A CURRENT ISSUE BUT WILL FORWARD IT WHEN I GET MY NEXT ISSUE.
I HAVE ALSO PICKED IT UP AT CHECKER AUTO PARTS.
> Subject: DML: Black Again
> I posted a message a short time ago telling about a product
> called "Black Again" . It was a UV activated product for use
> on plactic and vinyl to restore shine. Several have sent e-mail
> inquiring where to find this stuff. I failed to mention that this
> is only available at RHINO LININGS dealers. They are the
> company that uses the Tuff Stuff Polyurethane to coat the
> bed of pickup trucks. Just check around the yellow pages
> for a dealer and they should have the product.
JOHN KYLER
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:38:02 -0600
From: "C. Longwisch"
Subject: DML: Re: Remote Starting of De Lorean.
- ----------
> Contrary to what this sounds like, I have no stock in the company!
> I am just a gadget nut and am very enthused about this one.
>
> Murray Vin 05962
>
Question? I am about to embark on a similar installation. Is there any way
for you to provide the exact wiring configuration for the system.
C. Longwisch
Vin 10663
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:36:02 -0800
From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
Subject: Re: DML: Shift change problem
Hiroo Yamada wrote:
>
> A happy new year from Tokyo Japan.
>
> I am new to the Delorean mailing list. I recently bought Delorean
> from my Japanese friend Dr. Ohtsuka who currently lives in IL.
>
> The problem is I can't change the gear to first & second. Third to
> Fifth and reverse was no problem. Does anyone knows this problem ?
> It's possible to change to first gear when I slightly pull the shift
> nob and push it, but It's too hard to change to second gear anyway.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> hiroo (Member of DOC: Delorean owners club in Japan)
>
> --
> Hiroo Yamada / JK1ASL __________ Internet: hiroo@activeopen.co.jp
> Active Open Communications K.K ____ NIFTY-Serve: SDI00177 (FMACPRO Sysop)
- ----------------------------------
Have you upgraded the clutch line to the steel braided variety ? If you
have not this may be your problem ... the original plastic line would
expand and baloon thereby making shifting into 1st and or 2nd difficult
if not impossible depending on the temp of the engine and atmosphere.
Best regards and Happy New Year,
Marv Sterling, vin 16000
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:27:42 -0600
From: edraffenetti@juno.com (Edward Raffenetti)
Subject: DML: January duPont Registry
There is a Delorean in the January duPont Registry. I did not get the
info, but I believe it had the vin# printed. The picture showed stainless
w/ground effects, and I think the side stripes.
"To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk."
-- Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931)
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 08:42:03 -0500
From: Marc A Levy
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean vs. Corvette
Owning a Delorean, and having driven a 94 'vette on occasion, I can give
you some information.
As far as which car to choose, that depends on you.
If your looking for speed, get the Corvette. If you are looking for
style, get the Delorean.
The delorean is older, so you can expect it is be less reliable, but the
cost of repair should be pretty comparable.
The Delorean will retain, and possibly (I hope) increase in value, where
the corvette will be loosing value as it ages.
If you looking to turn heads, the Delorean is the only way to go!
Marc
M. Garrett Frandsen wrote:
>
> Hello all DeLorean Owners,
> Right now im the owner of a 1991 Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 with over a
> 130,000 miles on it , it runs fine and I intend to keep the car, but Im
> looking
> for another car . I have managed to save around $21,000 and I'm in a rut
> on
> which car to buy. Either a 1990-95 Corvette or a real nice DeLorean. If
> any
> one has a feed back or would like to compare and contrast the
> vette-to-the-DeLorean, it would be greatly appreacited. And how
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 08:46:51 -0500
From: Marc A Levy
Subject: Re: DML: Oxygen sensor, mixture control, and oxygenated fuels
We also have oxygenated fuel here in New Jersey. While I don't know the
answers to your questions, my thought on this topic was that the
Delorean emission systems are not that much different than many other
cars on the road. Therefore, I considered it safe. I also notice a
drop in performance on all of my cars when they put that junk in the
gas, not to mention that the fumes make me nauseous.
Knut S Grimsrud wrote:
>
> Up here in the Pacific NorthWest, we can only fill up with
> "oxygenated" fuel during the winter months in order to help curb
> pollution, and I was wondering what effect this fuel has on engine
> performance (I notice that my car is a real dog lately).
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:26:19 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: RE: Re: A Yuckey Story.
Obviously none of us but Marc and Rob Grady know the extent of what needs
to be done. But to those who have even an inkling that Rob would "hose" a
customer, think again. Meet him, talk to him, experience his work and
you'll realize that he is extremely dedicated to the DeLorean marque and
that he is as knowledgeable as ANYONE in the business. His work is superb
and his follow-up to assure customer satisfaction is unparalled.
Just couldn't let this thread go further without speaking up. (Rob is not
on the DML.)
The Rad Dad
VIN 16867 (A Rob Grady restoration)
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 21:48:15 -0700
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Rob Grady (Was Re: a Yuckey story)
Regarding the comments about Rob's estimate of the work to be done on
Marc's engine, obviously only Marc and Rob know the full story, but my
experiences with Rob have been great over the nearly three years I have
dealt with him. I **seriously** doubt he is trying to "hose" anybody.
Many, many others here on the list have dealt with Rob and I know of NO
ONE that has ever had a problem with him or the quality of work he does.
Marc, keep us advised of what happens...
James
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:21:27 -0800
From: Dave Price
Subject: DML: Oxygenated Gas..
I was strolling through the automotive isles at Walmart, and I saw a fuel
additive called "Fuelon" or something like that, it said it corrects
problems ascociated with Oxygenated Gas.. That might be something to
try..? It also claims to give better fuel economy, but who knows...?
Anyhow, it's in a clear "measuring device built in" bottle with a yellow
label, containing a red liquid. Keep us posted on the results if anyone
tries it.
Dave
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:59:35 -0500
From: "John L. Stiefel, II"
Subject: DML: Re: A Yuckey Story.
I must agree here. I have been most impressed with Robs work and the
time he puts into his work. I would recommend him to anybody for
anything related to a D.
Jack Stiefel
Vin. 3461
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hook [SMTP:rob_hook@pop.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 1998 2:14 PM
To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Subject: DML: RE: Re: A Yuckey Story.
Umm... He did say that it was Rob Grady. Rob Grady has a reputation
for being one of the best DeLorean mechanics out there. Blow-by is a
pretty serious problem but rebuilding the DeLorean engine is not hard as
I believe it has slide-in cylinder liners. Rob's time is expensive but
he is one of the best.
- --Rob Hook
>My suggestion - find another mechanic. There is nothing particularly
>special about doing a top end job on your DMC. You could buy a whole
>rebuilt motor and have it installed for that kind of money. Don't let
>the place hose you pal. Phone around a bit.
>Gary
>> According to Rob, one of the cyliners has 80% blow by. Should be less
>> than $3000 to replace the rings. AGHAAARHA!!!
>> I think I am going to just drive it that way.. As much as I HATE to do
>> it, $3000 is a heck of a lot of money! Hope I dont break down on the
>> way to Ohio!
>> Marc
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:39:56 -0500
From: Marc A Levy
Subject: Re: DML: Rob Grady (Was Re: a Yuckey story)
I agree, I do not think that rob would risk his reputation trying to
"hose" anyone.
My post did not include some details that further enforce that rob is
not just looking for work.
First, Rob did say that I can drive it the way it is, and just wait till
it gets so bad that I need to get it fixed, although he said that I
would not pass inspection next year.
He also told me to hold off on deciding what to do, because he was going
to try and make a few calls to people who had more experience with the
Turbo Modified motors. Get information on possible causes of this
problem, and recommendations on fixing it. This is a big plus. I like
to hear that he was willing to research the problem, and give me all of
the available information before I made a decision on what to do.
Further more, Rob asked that I pick up the car either way, and bring it
back to him in the spring if I decide to go for the repair. If he was
looking for the work, he'd keep the car.
James Espey wrote:
>
> Regarding the comments about Rob's estimate of the work to be done on
> Marc's engine, obviously only Marc and Rob know the full story, but my
> experiences with Rob have been great over the nearly three years I have
> dealt with him. I **seriously** doubt he is trying to "hose" anybody.
> Many, many others here on the list have dealt with Rob and I know of NO
> ONE that has ever had a problem with him or the quality of work he does.
>
> Marc, keep us advised of what happens...
>
> James
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:02:14 -0600 (CST)
From: dlwrence@ix.netcom.com
Subject: DML: Re: Black Again
In addition to Rhino Linings, Black Again can also be purchased at a
place
called Car Care Specialties. Here's the info on them...
Car Care Specialties, Inc.
P.O. Box 535
Saddle Brook, NJ 07663
Phone:
(201) 796-8300
Fax:
(201) 791-9743
E-Mail:
carcaresp@aol.com
The guy who runs the place is named Larry Reynolds, and he is a heck of a
nice guy. Just write to him and say that you would like a complete
product
description/price list/car care tips package and he will send you
information about all of his products, what each of them do, his personal
recomendations, and he also includes sections about the proper ways to
wax/polish a car as well as paint chip repair, leather care, and black
trim
care. This package is FREE, his prices are very reasonable, and any
order
over $50.00 is shipped free within the Continental U.S. BTW, the best
black
trim products to use is the Black Again followed with a top coat of
Meguiars
#42. This was also Mr. Reynolds suggestion and the combo really seems to
last.
Happy new year everyone!
Mike
VIN: Maybe this year...
P.S. I am in no way affiliated with this company...just thought I would
pass
the information along.
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:28:54 -0500
From: jsinger@aaacars.com (Jack Singer)
Subject: Re: DML: RE: Re: A Yuckey Story.
Rob is the most honest person you will ever meet. Just maybe there is
more to the story than we are being told. Try using Delorean 1 and you
will be very happy that Rob is here to help.
Jack Singer
Too many dmc's to list.
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:12:43 -0600
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