Friday, January 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 474
In this issue:
Re: DML: DeLorean at raffle - tickets available
DML: One Question, One Curiosity
DML: Stainless Steel Illusion for sale
DML: High idle
DML: RE: One Question, One Curiosity
DML: Re: St. Louis Expo '99
Re: DML: High idle
DML: looking at my first Delorean... (long)
Re: DML: St. Louis Expo '99
Re: DML: High idle
RE: DML: looking at my first Delorean... (long)
DML: Scratched power window glass
DML: Delorean and radar
DML: TIRES
Re:DML:Tire Pressure
Re: DML: DeLorean at raffle - tickets available
[none]
Re: DML: DeLorean at raffle - tickets available
DML: Another De Lorean Sighting (AFW?)
Re: DML: Delorean and radar
Re: DML: Delorean and radar (Lees Story)
Re: DML: Delorean and radar (Lees Story)
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 23:03:26 PST From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@kih.net> Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean at raffle - tickets available
> The Pius XI High School "Touch of Class" auction and raffle informs me > that they are now ready to sell tickets. This is the raffle that was > mentioned last month which has a 1981 DeLorean as first prize. There are > also a total of (9) other cash prizes for the runners-up.
I received an email with this info on the car for anyone interested:
1981 model year Grey Interior 19,000 Miles Manual Transmission Body in excellent condition
- -Brandon bsmoody@kih.net
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:52:21 EST From: DMC5524@aol.com Subject: DML: One Question, One Curiosity
Dear List,
First my question:
Today was the first time in about a month that I tried to start my D, and guess what? It won't start. It turns over and acts like it wants to start but just quite can't make it. Any ideas?
Now for the curiosity:
On the bottom of the steering column there is a round, green sticker with two numbers hand written in blue ink on it: 5524 (My VIN) and 7526(?). I just noticed this for the first time today and thought it was interesting. Anyone own 7526?
That's it for now,
Thank you, David
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:21:33 -0800 From: Eric Altendorf <altevan@california.com> Subject: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion for sale
I have a copy of Stainless Steel Illusion for sale. Excellent condition. Two detractions: (1) slightly yellowed page edges (I guess from finger oil from people thumbing through the pages; barely noticable) and (2) dust cover slightly scuffed on the back (perfect on the front). Asking $200 plus shipping.
I'm selling because I'm interested in the book as an information resource, not a collector's item, and I just found a beat-up copy of the book, so I don't need my high-quality copy anymore.
- -Eric
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:00:44 EST From: Msstrygrl@aol.com Subject: DML: High idle
Okay, I read through the archives (keywords: high idle) and the only suggestion I found for curing a high idling engine is to make sure the throttle spindle is snapping back all the way. Well, I checked it, and it is. So, any other suggestions for getting my idle down? The idle hovers around 1000rpms, and also, I think the car starts up with too much of a blast, which I'm suspecting is a related problem.
Second question (maybe related). Anyone out there replaced their fuel injection system with a carburetor? Or considered the idea? If my fuel injection system has failing parts in it, I'm thinking maybe I ought to just be rid of it in the interest of keeping my life simpler. Any opinions?
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 06:35:08 -0500 From: Cirillo Ronald A NPRI <CirilloRA@Code80.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL> Subject: DML: RE: One Question, One Curiosity
David,
The first thing I would check is the fuel pump. Do you hear it running? There are lots of ways to troubleshoot that if you do not hear it. Let me know what you find.
Ron
> ---------- > > Dear List, > > First my question: > > Today was the first time in about a month that I tried to start my D, and > guess what? It won't start. It turns over and acts like it wants to start > but just quite can't make it. Any ideas? > (SNIP)
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:49:07 -0600 From: magriese@us.ibm.com Subject: DML: Re: St. Louis Expo '99
We will probably go. My wife and I are both from St. Louis and most of our families still live in the area. We haven't been to an Expo yet so that's an extra motivation.
Hey James - What high school did you go to?
Michael A. Griese Storage Software Development Manager IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:44:28 +0000 From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com Subject: Re: DML: High idle
Hi Lisa,
(snip) > Anyone out there replaced their fuel > injection > system with a carburetor? Or considered the idea? If my fuel injection > system > has failing parts in it, I'm thinking maybe I ought to just be rid of it > in > the > interest of keeping my life simpler. Any opinions? > > Lisa
Not a good idea, especially in CA. Check the law, I got my current D from a Dr. in SanJose because he had altered his exhaust ( twin turbos ) and couldn't get it licensed because of that. Didn't matter whether it met the air quality standards or not, it was not the approved exhaust. If you did something like you suggest your Lamda system would be inoperative. JMO
Chris #6301
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:43:37 -0500 From: Scott Donnelly <oharajem@free.midcoast.com> Subject: DML: looking at my first Delorean... (long)
Hi D listers, I=B9ve been following the digest version for=20 some time intent on learning more before doing a serious=20 search of my own car. Being in northern New England=20 (Delorean Siberia) I didn=B9t expect to see many/if any Ds=20 without extensive travel. To my surprise, I have found one=20 an hour away. Its a dealer (home, not francise) car that was=20 bought at auction. No history available. Price $12,750 firm.=20 Here=B9 what I found: =20 First impression: Wow! What a good looking car! I=B9d say the=20 overall condition is 8.5 or better. No dings in body panels,=20 facias repainted, new tires, interior very good, rear hatch=20 louvers perfect, doors operate nicely and fit well. Mileage=20 at 37K appears to be accurate. I spent nearly an hour giving=20 it a good go over, Closer examination revealed some faults=20 though none seem major. Here are the deficiencies:
Interior: Instrument cluster housing padding cracked Power mirrors not working Horn not working Front hood release cable messed up (still was able to open=20 it) Head liner slightly soiled Power windows a little erratic/sloppy, especially passenger=20 side, also PS is scratched Seats - slight cracking of leather - needs a good treatment=20 of hide food 2 wire plug disconnected at speedo cable junction box -=20 driver foot well Original radio Glove box lid latch is hit or miss Door seals torn in a couple of spots=20
Exterior: Power antenna (rear) broken off Alloy wheels need to be bead blasted and repainted Mixed wheel nuts on driver side rear hub, one broken? Lower front grill (metal mesh below bumper) rusted
Engine compartment: No =B3paint dot=B2 evidence of upgrades or recall fixes No evidence of throttle cover plate fix (?) Jury jig(?) jumper wire at electric box on driver side fire=20 wall Clean but not perfect, probably hasn=B9t been steam cleaned Small stain/puddle on floor directly below rear of engine
Forward compartment: From all appearances, everything right and original
Underbody (from what I could see laying on the floor!): SS braided hose running down driver side of steel center=20 chassis, new looking Front sway bar/chassis plates installed (welded in,=20 undercoated)
Running (heated garage): First start - 2 attempts required Subsequent start about 20 minutes later - hard starting with=20 10 -12 attempts required, foot off throttle, behaved and=20 smelled flooded. Ran rough when finally started and cleared=20 up quickly Surge at idle
Driving (25 degree outside temperature): Shift lever feels pretty notchy/not very precise at rest Clutch fine Good, smooth acceleration Shifts up and down well enough underway Brakes strong and smooth Steering wheel pulls to left and is not centered. Hands off=20 confirms alignment is out Steering wheel shudders, not extreme but clearly not right Still surging at idle after a 5 minute drive though probably=20 not fully warmed up
So, I have I found a decent car for the price? Are any of=20 these faults particularly expensive to correct? Is there any=20 way to find what recall/upgrade work may have been done via=20 the VIN? I not expecting a perfect car and am accustomed to doing=20 some trouble shooting and repair/upgrade (also own a Range=20 Rover and Sunbeam Alpine) on my own. I don=B9t want to pay=20 good money for a problem car however. Thanks for any advice=20 and pointers might forward to me.
Scott Donnelly Camden, Maine
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:57:18 -0800 From: DJ LaForge <dj@lgusd.k12.ca.us> Subject: Re: DML: St. Louis Expo '99
>We are scheduling our vacation time for this year. We are trying to >decide >if we will attend the DOA Expo '99 in St. Louis. > >Who on the list is planning to attend? > >It would be more fun for me if I knew that there would be a large group of >DMCNEWS members there.
I would like to attend a DOA Expo in my DeLorean, however I am having trouble getting excited about taking a trip to Saint Louis. It's a long way to drive from Northern CA and I don't know much about it.
Perhaps someone more familiar with Saint Louis could share some info on what there is to do there (besides the D expo and the Arch) to encourage those of us far away to attend.
- -D.J. LaForge
VIN 07135
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:25:29 -0500 (EST) From: William T Wilson <fluffy@snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: High idle
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 Msstrygrl@aol.com wrote:
> Second question (maybe related). Anyone out there replaced their fuel > injection system with a carburetor? Or considered the idea? If my fuel > injection system has failing parts in it, I'm thinking maybe I ought to > just be rid of it in the interest of keeping my life simpler. Any > opinions?
I don't know why you'd want to do this. The K-Jetronic is a good fuel injection system and, generally, works. :} I wouldn't consider going to all this trouble just to fix a high idle.
There is an idle speed adjuster screw somewhere in the fuel injection system, but I don't know where it is. It's supposed to be set all the way down under most conditions, maybe yours has gotten screwed up some how.
The only reason I can think of wanting a carburetor over a fuel injection system is if you are planning to design your own turbo system. You can run higher boost pressure with a carburetor engine since the vaporization of the fuel cools the mixture. Carburetors have some application in high performance cars, but for normal street driving, there really isn't much advantage to them. Unless you are planning a complete fuel system re-engineering I wouldn't fool with it.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:06:55 -0000 From: "Tris Harvey-Rice" <laddie@globalnet.co.uk> Subject: RE: DML: looking at my first Delorean... (long)
Scott,
Well I'm very new to this game but from the little I've heard it sounds = like the cars overpriced and would cost a fair bit to sort out. I say = this based on very little hard fact however, so hopefully everyone will = mail in and correct me or agree - either way, you get your question = answered by more people and I learn something!
Good luck with the car (dont make a decision on anything I tell you)!
Tris. Not got one yet. Still scraping pennies.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:10:32 -0500 From: Steve <dmc@fdt.net> Subject: DML: Scratched power window glass
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Scott Donnelly wrote: [...] > Power windows a little erratic/sloppy, especially passenger=20 > side, also PS is scratched [...]
If you're speaking of a bunch of diagonal scratches in a line, I have the same problem on my car. Rob Grady indicated that it was probably a missing piece of padding inside the door. I plan to takle this problem soon (with in a couple months) I'll try to take some photos to make available when I do this, so watch for them if your interested. Any advice offered on the subject would also be welcomed.
On a repair note, I'd like to remove the clamp (part 108297 item 10 section 840 in the parts manual) becuase it's rusting and either paint it or buy a new one. I can't however get enough leverage to remove the screws which are obscured by the torsion bars. I'm afraid to get too close to the t-bars with my screwdriver, because I might accidentally score them. Anybody have tips for removing these screws? (short of removing the t-bars of course) Am I being overly cautious about the t-bars?
-Steve <dmc@fdt.net>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:45:32 EST From: ABatt10347@aol.com Subject: DML: Delorean and radar
Fellow DMCer's, Having read the posts on radar and the Delorean I must add this post script. ( For those of you that have heard this story, scroll on down.) I was speeding (about 75 to 80) on I-40 a few years ago and ran upon a Tennessee State trooper running radar. He pointed me to the side of the road. I had my lic. and reg. in hand as he came up to the car. He asked if this was a Delorean. I got out and started talking to him about the car. I opened the engine compartment and the luggage compartment. Showed him everything one can show of the car. He even sat down in it and closed the door. As he hadn't put ink to paper yet I thought this was a good sign. He then asked the question that we have all heard at least a thousand time. "When you go 88.5 mph do you go back to the future?". Without missing a beat I said,"If it did ,do you think I be here talking to you?" He laughed and gave me back my lic and told me to have a good day! I cant add anything to how the car shows up on radar but I can tell you that it was the funniest ticket I ever got out of. My advice to others with the ticket in hand is to go to court and try and get sent to traffic school. A few hours of your time is worth not having a ticket on your record. Bruce Battles Vin 6569
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:09:49 -0600 From: "Brad Fudge" <bfudge@sprynet.com> Subject: DML: TIRES
Yokohama has just produced a new batch of 235V60-15 and 195v60-14 in = their AVS (High performance - all season) tires. The ride will probably = be a little stiff but they should stick like glue to the road this = summer. The tires have been on back order for over six months. Order = them right away they will not last and who knows when they will produce = another batch.
Brad VIN 5701
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:47:34 -0600 From: Jayson Tobias <tobias@midusa.net> Subject: Re:DML:Tire Pressure
>From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas@ix.netcom.com> >Subject: DML: Tire pressure.
>Out of curiousity, how accurate is the odometer & the spedometer in >relation to tire pressure? i.e. underinflated tire >higher milage & speed readout, while overinflated tire less miles on the >odometer & lower mph on the speedo. Just curious...
>- -Robert
Robert-
The inflation of a tire really has a insignificant role in speedo
and mileage calibration. As long as the tire is near the recommended
tire pressure and follows the guidelines for the correct tire size, the
instruments should be correct. This is especially the case for the
low-profile tires used by the D'. For example, a fully inflated (44psi)
Eagle GT II P195/60R14 with a tread depth of 4/16" (half-worn) would be
roughly equivilant to a new tire (8/16" tread, I think) that is slightly
underinflated (35psi). Point being, it doesn't matter. For improved
ride and wear without sacrificing gas mileage, take the recommended max.
inflation for the tire (stamped on the sidewall) and subtract 7-9%.
Also, rotating your tires helps tire life *tremendously*.
Jayson Tobias Employee of Jones Oil Co, Local Goodyear Tire Dealership (Sorry, no NCTs in stock)
PS - Thanks everyone for the terrific responses I got last week! This list is a great help.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:19:21 -0500 From: Joe Capasso <capasso@cyberenet.net> Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean at raffle - tickets available
Does anyone know when the deadline is for buying tickets? How many people on the list are considering buying tickets. Do you think it's a rip off?
Joe capasso@cyberenet.net
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
> > The Pius XI High School "Touch of Class" auction and raffle informs me > > that they are now ready to sell tickets. This is the raffle that was > > mentioned last month which has a 1981 DeLorean as first prize. There are > > also a total of (9) other cash prizes for the runners-up. > > I received an email with this info on the car for anyone interested: > > 1981 model year > Grey Interior > 19,000 Miles > Manual Transmission > Body in excellent condition
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:09:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud@intel.com> Subject: [none]
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NERS@Planet24.co.uk>,
"'dmcnews@world.std.com'" <dmcnews@world.std.com>
Subject: DML: BIG BREAKFAST TV show in the UK
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:37:42 -0800
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Joe,
I'm forwarding your request to the DMCNews reflector to be addressed by the large group of DMC experts in that forum.
Knut Grimsrud DeLorean Club of Oregon
- -----Original Message----- From: Runners [mailto:IMCEAEX-_O=PLANET+2024_OU=LONDON_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=PLANET+20BUILD ING_CN=RUNNERS@Planet24.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 4:16 AM To: 'knut_s_grimsrud@ccm.jf.intel.com' Subject: Hi Knut
Hi....
I'm calling from THE BIG BREAKFAST, a television show in the UK. I am currently working on a section of the show called Vital Statistics. Everyday we have a topic which we must find out stats for. Tomorrow my topic is the Delorean. The stat I am looking for is how much the British Govt gave Mr Delorean to set up his factory in Northern Ireland.. If you have any idea.....even an educated guess, I would be very grateful to hear from you before tomorrow morning (Thurs).....
Thankyou....Joe Cooper
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:51:55 +0100 From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@hehe.com> Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean at raffle - tickets available
I Contacted the people there..
They have printed 2000 tickets.. But they have said that they will print more if necessary.. I don't think this is the kind of raffle where your winning chances are exceptionally high, but rather one where your main intention is to support a Catholic High School, and have fun at the same time.
I haven't made up my mind yet..
About the deadline.. As he said they would print up more tickets if necessary, I assume that they don't have a definite deadline, as they want to sell as much as possible, but you would have to ask him about that.. His email is "csorce@netstream.net"
Hope this helps, Matt
Joe Capasso wrote: > > Does anyone know when the deadline is for buying tickets? How many > people > on the list are considering buying tickets. Do you think it's a rip off? > > Joe > capasso@cyberenet.net > > Brandon S. Moody wrote: > > > > The Pius XI High School "Touch of Class" auction and raffle informs me > > > that they are now ready to sell tickets. This is the raffle that was > > > mentioned last month which has a 1981 DeLorean as first prize. There are > > > also a total of (9) other cash prizes for the runners-up. > > > > I received an email with this info on the car for anyone interested: > > > > 1981 model year > > Grey Interior > > 19,000 Miles > > Manual Transmission > > Body in excellent condition
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:56:41 +0100 From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@hehe.com> Subject: DML: Another De Lorean Sighting (AFW?)
Hi,
Just thought I'd mention that I saw a De Lorean on a funny video program (Something like Americas Funniest Home Videos).
Some poor guy was trying to open the driver door on a D, (apparently for the firs time) and struggled for a while, until he succeeded and the door opened, and hit him in the head, which knocked him out. (or so it appeared)
Has anyone seen this? Or does anyone have it recorded?
or, even better, Was this anyone on the list?
Just Curious, Matt
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:26:33 -0800 From: "lseiler@radiance.com" <lseiler@radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Delorean and radar
At 05:45 PM 1/26/99 EST, you wrote: >Fellow DMCer's, >Having read the posts on radar and the Delorean I must add this post >script. ( >For those of you that have heard this story, scroll on down.) I was >speeding >(about 75 to 80) on I-40 a few years ago and ran upon a Tennessee State >trooper running radar. He pointed me to the side of the road. I had my >lic. SNIP...............................
reply:
HO boy a chance to tell a speeding story (James it's Delorean related)
Right after I suffered threw my speedo and sudden engine failure problems and after installing a set of PG's Lowering front springs I had a business meeting in Salt Lake city UTAH. Which from San Francisco is a trip of 500 odd miles on I-80. The trip takes you threw Sacramento, CA., then Reno Nevada and out I-80 to the intersection of I-80 and I-95 at Winneemucca where Nevada ends and Utah starts. You wind threw Nevada until you get to Wendover which is a last chance gas and watering hole. I say last chance to get gas because for the next 90 miles it is just desert, salt flats and the highway, a highway that is almost as straight as any in the world. While gassing up and answering questions about my DMC-12 I noticed a bright canary yellow Viper at the next pump. The driver left about 10 minutes before I did with a roar of the V-10 and spinning tires, heading out of Wendover for salt lake. There is a truck weigh station and Highway patrol office just down the hill from the standard station where I was gassing up.
I left maybe 10 minutes or so later and left Wendover at a civil 55MPH, but once out on the road I let out my baby to see what she could do (this was at 3AM with almost no traffic). I don't recall what my RPM read in 5th but I was cursing towards Salt Lake City just as fast as my Dmc would go. All I can say is that it was a great ride, every now and then there would be a truck or car, alone in the pitch black in a pool of it's own head lights. Passing was a real charge, It was like passing a parked car at 80MPH. Of course I was only doing 88MPH according to my speedometer. It's about 50 miles from Wendover to Low, this took about 30 minutes, I slowed to 55MPH to go threw Low which is hardly more than a few run down shacks, and once out of Low cranked back up to 5th gear. From Low to Garfield is about 40 miles, after maybe 10 minutes I see blue and red flashing lights ahead, and I knew that I was nabbed! well by the time I decided I would just pull over, I am passing the Utah state police patrol car now on the side of the road behind the Yellow Viper! Time to keep going I say - and did, with in a minute I was out of sight. The next Gas up is just out side of Salt Lake and has an all night diner, I decided that this would be a good place to hid, so after gassing up a very empty like 8.4 miles to the gallon?
So I am in the diner having breakfast some 45 minutes after leaving Wendover! and this Utah state police officer comes in and sits down next to me. He notices my Delorean keys on the counter, Looks me over a bit, orders coffee and asks if I mind showing him my DeLorean. I was sure he was going to arrest me, like ABatt my cop wanted to see every thing and kept mumbling "I don't get it" over and over, Finally he said my car was a real honey, and told me I was a very luck sailor! and left.
About this time in pulls the Yellow viper as I am closing my Door. The driver a young guy maybe 30 walks up to me and knocks on my window. I open the door which surprised him. He wanted to know "What have you got in that thing!" He did not know it was a DeLorean! I told him which surprised him. He then explained he was doing 94MPH when the trooper caught him. He got a $494 dollar ticket (he lived in Salt lake City). he said that the Trooper and he were on the curb side of his car when they both saw my 4 head lights appear and that up until I was about a 100 feet from them they could not hear a sound and that when I went by it sounded like a high pitched whine and sucking wind, The trooped according to the Viper driver said something like "What the Hell is this" and started for his car before realizing that I was already out of sight! Well at 13,024 feet a minute (just an average guess -2.4 miles) it would not take long to putter down the road.
Well I don't do that often, and yes it was stupid, and dangerous to me and every one else! yet I am now very confident in driving my D and I know just how it behaves in all speed ranges. Do I recommend any one else try it? Well just one person! San Jose James "the Streak!"
Well thats my DMC Cop story!
Lee
PS, and more good stories out there?
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:04:31 -0000 From: "Tris Harvey-Rice" <laddie@globalnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: DML: Delorean and radar (Lees Story)
>I decided that this would be a good place to >hid, so after gassing up a very empty like 8.4 miles to the gallon?
8.4?? Thats pretty dismal! Is this normal D economy?
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: William T Wilson <fluffy@snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: Delorean and radar (Lees Story)
On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Tris Harvey-Rice wrote:
> 8.4?? Thats pretty dismal! Is this normal D economy?
At 130-140 MPH, I'm sure it is. :} The fuel required to maintain speed goes up exponentially as speed increases, whereas distance traveled goes up linearly. At more normal speeds the D gets about 15-19 city and about 25-28 highway.
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