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Friday, 5 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 137
In this issue:
Whining and dyning
Re: Halogen Brake Lamps
Difficulty?
Jeeps / repair difficulty / seat covers?
Re: seat covers?
4 second 1/4 mile
Re: 4 second 1/4 mile
DeLorean look-alike?
License Plate Lights
Common Engines
Re: A little whine with my DeLorean?
Re: DeLorean look-alike?
Redoing Headliners
Re: Door/Seat Belt Buzzer
A/C Fan Velocity
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From: Mike Substelny, SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:01:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Whining and dyning
James described:
>A *very* high pitched whine, louder when the motor is off
>and key removed, sounds like it coming from under the
>drivers side of the dash.
James,
This has gotta be electrical. If you think it is vacuum, it must
be so high pitched that it sounds like a whistle. Does your
buzzer still function normally, letting you know when you
open the door with your keys in the ignition? It is very easy
to disconnect the buzzer, which is located in the area you
describe, to confirm it as a source of the sound.
A couple of weeks ago I described that my "door ajar" idiot
light malfunctioned. Even with the door sensors pressed
manually the light would glow faintly, and it got very bright
when the engine was revving. This was caused by a slight
short circuit elsewhere in the car. There was crud in the
engine compartment light switch, which trickled in a tiny bit
of current to my idiot light.
Well, something similar could be affecting your buzzer. It
sounds like the buzzer is getting a tiny bit of current through
some other system on the same circuit. If the buzzer is on
that circuit (same as dome lights) you are in luck, but if it is
on the circuit with the instrument panel you may be in for a
tough dashboard disassembly. Yuch.
No matter what circuit it would be on, replacing the buzzer
would not do any good. You would need to find the crud /
rust / frayed wire lurking somewhere in your car. Short
circuits like that can drain batteries. They also can cause
excess heat in other electrical components (computers,
motors, relays, etc.) elsewhere in the car.
Good luck.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: magriese(AT)VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:00:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Halogen Brake Lamps
Chase
I would be more concerned about heat. As I recall, there isn't much
airflow in that area of the car.
Mike
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From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:21:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Difficulty?
O.K., I hear about the difficulty involved in working on a DeLorean.
B.S.!! I spent the day changing a water pump and thermostat on my
1991 Ford F150 4X4. You have to remove the front of the engine. Not
really, but it feels like it. You do have to remove the Air
Conditioner Compressor and Power Steering unit because some pinhead
engineer decided the water pump should have a stud through them and
it. Great! I did get it done and no more leaks so far.
Not much to do with the DeLorean, but I needed to say that!
Chris
Chase,
Say it isn't so! Not a Jeep!!
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From: Mike Substelny, SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:40:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Jeeps / repair difficulty / seat covers?
>Chase,
>Say it isn't so! Not a Jeep!!
Hey! What's wrong with a Jeep? Jeeps are made Toledo,
and Ford makes engines here in Cleveland, although it
sounds like that crummy water pump was designed in
Detroit. Soon the new Jaguar engine (an American Duratech
instead of the current British unit) will be made in Cleveland,
too.
Anyway, the DeLorean is easier to work on than a lot of cars.
When my girlfriend's Porsche needed a new radio antenna
(just a non-powered mast) they had to remove the quarter
panel! A DeLorean body is a piece of cake compared to a
Porsche. And my Toyota van has the engine under the
driver's SEAT, where you can barely even see it. It can take
hours just to change a spark plug. The Lube Stop refuses to
change my van's oil because it's too hard to get at!
BTW it looks like my clutch problem will have me out of
commission for another two weeks. While it's sitting I want
to spruce up my car, which includes getting my seats
recovered. KAPAC says their leather is old, brittle and
cracked, and DMC Houston says it will take a while to order
new leather. Does anyone know who has some kind of seat
covers in stock right now?
- -Mike Substelny
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From: Don_Gowler-CFPO01(AT)email.mot.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:52:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: seat covers?
>new leather. Does anyone know who has some kind of seat
>covers in stock right now?
>
>-Mike Substelny
I have a pair of new originals for sale. Gray
Regards, The Silver Fox
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From: Damien Falato, dgf108(AT)psu.edu
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:02:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 4 second 1/4 mile
A friend of mine sent me a mailing he got on the fiero mailing list that
they got from someone at the jeep list. It was about a nut out in Arizona
who strapped a JATO bottle to a 67 impalla. They found the remains of the
car and dirver/pilot 150 feet off the ground in the side of a cliff.
Well,
thoughts do wonder and I got to thinking about how the DMC's rear engine
mounts would probably be a good place to weld one in. Imagine seeing this
add in the paper.
FOR SALE:
FASTEST DMC KNOWN TO MAN. 4 SECOND 1/4 MILE, 350 MPH TOP END!!
COMPLETE WITH JATO BOTTLE!!!!
Just think of the possibilities!
And now of a more realistic, though still humorus note. My DMC is
begining
to show signs of disliking the BTTF heritage it has inherited. The other
week it ate my BTTF 1 sound trach tape.
By the way, any body know where I can get a JATO bottle?
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From: mikasa, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:40:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 4 second 1/4 mile
>they got from someone at the jeep list. It was about a nut out in Arizona
>who strapped a JATO bottle to a 67 impala. They found the remains of the
Just for the record, I've never owned a 67 impala.
James in Arizona
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From: Mike Substelny, SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:16:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DeLorean look-alike?
The kit car page has an early 80's gullwing car for sale today
that looks like custom a DeLorean. The doors are uncanny.
Check out the top car at:
http://www.kitcar.com/euro4sl.html
Have a safe holiday.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: Chase Clark, stormrider(AT)socketis.net
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:16:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: License Plate Lights
The previous owner wired a neon light up for the rear license plate,
evidently using the existing wires for the license plate lights. I have
two
pairs of wires (two striped and two solid) and what looks like one
connector post for each license plate light unit. I was wondering if
anyone
knew how to wire these back up? Do I just splice one of each set into a
connector and hook it up to the post, or is it more complicated than that?
Thanks as always!
~ Chase
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From: Bruce Benson, Delornut(AT)aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:16:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Common Engines
There is much mention of several engines the same as the DeLoreans. The
writers suggested that any mechanic associated with any of these engines
would have the expertise to repair the DeLorean. First it should be made
clear that this engine is unique to the DeLorean. The engines topside is
the
same as the Volvo B28F but the crankcase and oil pan are from the Renault
Alpine. The crankcase has lugs cast into it for the rear mounting
configuration. The oil pan is smaller than the Volvos to fit into the
narrow
opening in the DeLoreans frame. The Eagle Premiere has an engine that is a
distant cousin of the Delorean engine, but has so many dis-similarities
that
it isn't interchangeable. The DeLorean is an odd firing engine which means
the crankshaft turns 120 degrees between the first two cylinders and 100
between the next two. This pattern goes on throughout the engines cycle,.
The
Premiere engine has a different crankshaft that allows even firing. The
DeLorean has a distributor running off the rear of the drivers side
camshaft.
The Premiere has it's distributor mounted on the front of the cam. The
engine
mounts, water pump pulley alignment, and fuel system, with all its
electronic
components are completely foreign to the DeLorean. Many DeLorean engine
problems are related to the ignition and Bosch K-Jetronic fuel injection.
I
doubt a Chrysler mechanic would have any expertise in those areas. I don't
mean to shoot down anyones good intentions but I really think we should
admit
our DeLoreans are a bit unique and trying to circumvent the proper repair
sequences will only prove to de-value the car. I'm not a purest, my car is
turbocharged with a system I designed and I've lowered my car. I have
learned
that trying to beat the system costs more in the end than doing things
right
the first time.
DeLornut
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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:48:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: A little whine with my DeLorean?
Happy 4th everyone! I crawled around under the dash of the "D" this
morning and found the whine was coming from the seatbelt/door buzzer (as
someone, I forget who, had suggested). I would like to replace it with
something a little less annoying, however, than the droning buzz that is
original. I remember reading in a back issue of DeLorean World about a
guy who put one in from one of those annoying early 80's Japanese cars
that would talk to you. Along those lines, has anyone substituted
anything else in place of the buzzer (a pleasant "chime" perhaps)?
James
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From: Chase Clark, stormrider(AT)socketis.net
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:58:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: DeLorean look-alike?
>The kit car page has an early 80's gullwing car for sale today
>that looks like custom a DeLorean.
Mike:
Definitely are the gullwing doors from a DeLorean. There's also a Bradley
GT gullwing kit car for sale elsewhere in the web pages of URL
http://www.kitcar.com/euro4sl.html
~ Chase
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From: Chase Clark, stormrider(AT)socketis.net
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:58:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Redoing Headliners
OK guys, I've realized that tehre are several items for the Common Faults
FAQ that I know absolutely nothing about. At the top of the list is the
cure for sagging headliners.
And, lo and behold, my center headliners are sagging and need to be
reglued. Surprisingly my door headliners are fine, but I think they might
have been replaced with a close (but not perfect) cloth during the past
several years. Which would explain that.
Anyway, I need information on both for the FAQ and I will very much
appreciate information on how to remove the center headliners so I can try
to get them reglued before the DOA convention next month.
Thanks!!
~ Chase
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From: Chase Clark, stormrider(AT)socketis.net
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:58:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Door/Seat Belt Buzzer
James:
The buzzer in my car is removed. With the door ajar light placed so well,
the buzzer isn't needed and would just be a nuisance at car shows anyway.
It is quite common for people to remove buzzers like these, especially
ones
that serve as warnings to fasten your seat belt.
But, according to Tom Long's cross-reference list, the buzzer is matched
by
a Pektron unit that was used in the 1982 Nissan 200SX. I don't know if the
'82 model talked, but I did own an '83 200SX and it DID talk, saying
things
like "door is ajar," "replenish fuel," "lights are on" and etc. However, I
am sure there was a computer chip involved somewhere so I doubt you could
just replace the buzzer and have a talking DeLorean.
But that would be something for me to check out sometime. Hhhmm, maybe if
I
get a free day before the convention...
~ Chase
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From: Thomas R.Long, trl2(AT)america.net
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:48:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: A/C Fan Velocity
Burton,
It may be that the A/C blower motor is hooked up backwards and hence
running the wrong way. Even though it seems to be running fine, there
will be very little air coming out of the ducts. The DeLorean fan motor
is hooked up with a different polarity than 90+% of all of the other fan
motors in the world.
You can do two things: 1. Reverse the polarity of the feed to the fan.
This is easily done because the fan is not connected to the car frame
with mounting bolts. Just connect the hot (12 Volt feed) to the terminal
where the ground wire is now connected and connect all of the wires that
were connected to the ground to the formerly "hot" lead going to the fan
motor.
2: Replace the fan motor with a Delco 15-895 or a NAPA 6551005 which is
wired with the same polarity as the original DMC motor and will fit
perfectly. These motors will fit an '80 Chevrolet Monza.
This information is from my eight page cross reference listing that is
available to anyone who will send a $10 check to:
Tom Long
301 Black Kettle Lane
Alpharetta, GA 30202
770-449-1968
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