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Monday, July 21 1997 Volume 02 : Number 261
In this issue:
DML: Electrical Update - Fans
DML: Don't lower your DMC! -Reply
Re: DML: Don't lower your DMC!
Re: DML: Don't lower your DMC!
DML: DeLorean 4 Sale
Re: DML: wanted: front fender
RE: DML: Temperature Gauge Inop.
DML: starter modification
Re: DML: Electrical Updates-Locks
DML: stainless steel brush
DML: Car Insurance on the Web
Re: DML: movies featuring DMC
DML: Engine compartment lock
DML: Car Insurance on the Web
DML: Improved DML back issue search function!
DML: DML Re: Engine compartment lock.
DML: Re: DMC movie
Re: DML: movies featuring DMC
Re: DML: Engine compartment lock
Re: PAINTED cars (was DML: movies featuring DMC)
DML: Back issue search
DML: Re: lower front/speed/etc
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 00:04:05 -0000
From: David Swingle
Subject: DML: Electrical Update - Fans
Part 2 - Cooling Fan update. The reference for this was Darryl
Tinnerstadt's document that is now published in "DMCNEWS - The 'Zine". I
decided to change this around a little more because I didn't want to
disturb the original relay sockets and wiring, and I wanted to keep the
reversed functionality of the Cooling Fan Fail light that I had
previously hooked up. That is, the light goes ON when the fans run.
Darryl mentions using P&B relays for replacing these and the other Lucas
(or Bosch) SPST relays. P&B also makes sockets for the relays (part
number VCF4-1002), and socket terminals 26A1348B (14 guage) and 26A1348C
(12 guage). These sockets will interlock with the DMC relay sockets and
look like the factory put them there. I installed two new sockets
adjacent to the green Rear Defroster relay socket. I wired them to the
old cooling fan socket and fan fail socket in the manner of the original
fan fail bypass, i.e. by plugging standard spade lugs into the sockets
and making direct connections to the 40A breaker. I now have a separate
relay for each fan, and the wiring could be put back to original by
simply unplugging everything and putting the original jumper and relay
back in.
To make the Cooling Fan light work, I made up a simple transistor
switch circuit that bridges both cooling fan power leads at the fan fail
socket. If either of the fuses feeding the fans blow, the light will not
light up. I also made the wiring change so that the fans run constantly
with the A/C on, this also provides a handy means to check the cooling
fan operation. If the "Cooling Fan (Fail)" light goes on with the A/C on,
both the fans are running, or at least getting power. With the A/C on,
the compressor still cycles but the fans run constantly.
Dave Swingle
dswingle(AT)enteract.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:58:24 -0500
From: Aaron Barrus
Subject: DML: Don't lower your DMC! -Reply
> What are your reasonings for lowering one
I see a couple of reasons for wanting to lower a DeLorean. First,
lowering the center of gravity is an easy way to improve cornering and
handling. In addition to that, I believe the general method for lowering
a
delorean (moving front springs to back, cut 2" off of back springs for the
front) places the DeLorean at the height it was originally designed at.
DeLorean actually had to raise the car up from the prototypes to meet
USDOT bumper height standards. I feel it's more "stock", or "original",
if I
put it back the way the designors intended.
Aaron
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:40:18 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: Don't lower your DMC!
You might want to think twice about cutting springs and changing your
suspension.
I knew a guy who thought that the Delorean was engineered too lite in
the front, so he added a one inch steel plate between the front
suspension and the pan that weighed between 250 and 300 pounds. He
thought that it drove much better on the highway with the additional
weight in the front. You can bet that it changed the cornering too.
The heavy steel plate changed the stiffness of the body so that each
time someone shut the passenger door a little too hard, it cracked the
front winshield.
Its hard to re-engineer a car to improve on the design professionals.
Jim #6884
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:49:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: RMoore2208(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Don't lower your DMC!
If anyone lowers their DMC they face the great risk of banging up their
engine...
the engine overhangs the rear axel as it is!
- -RM
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:17:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: DeLorean 4 Sale
1981 Automatic w/Grey Leather 19,000 miles
Runs like a champ. Daily Driver
Vin 6058
One of 158 made w/1982 updates according to Vin 6041
Tuned and Inspected
$15,000 USD (Moving Sale)
Annapolis Maryland
Can arrange finacing
Mike Pack
410-551-3107 Call for more info.
Many extras
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:33:13 -0400
From: Vicki Miller <1000mil(AT)mail.gte.net>
Subject: Re: DML: wanted: front fender
Barbra Abucejo wrote:
>
> I recently bought a '81 DMC and I need to replace the driver front fender.
> Please let me know if anybody is interested in selling one.
>
> Thanks,
> BarbaraBarbara,
i have a drivers side fender if your still looking
email me
1000mil(AT)mail.gte.net
vicky
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:58:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: GunkelWWW(AT)aol.com
Subject: RE: DML: Temperature Gauge Inop.
Bob Miarecki wrote:
>Another problem I have been having is not enough cold air from the air =
>conditioner. The pressures are 220 hi side and 70 lo side with the =
>compressor running. The compressor also cycles on and off every 3 to 5 =
>seconds.
>I was going to have the system evacuated and recharged next week so =
>before I went through the expense does something need to be replaced? I =
>am thinking of a blocked screen near the dryer while it's apart(in =
>line). =20
I think the hi side is okay, but the low side pressure is to high!?
It should be 25-32psi(max. 30-37 at 130F),
also 3-5 sec is to fast in my opinion.
Is the cut-off switch in the accumulator okay?
Markus
Gunkelwww(AT)AOL.COM germany
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:00:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: GunkelWWW(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: starter modification
I need the procedure for the starter modification before VIN 2547.
I think service bulletin 052/82??
Can someone help??
Markus
gunkelwww(AT)aol.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 23:44:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: TVRUS(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Electrical Updates-Locks
I would like to see your schematic diagram for the lock module.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 10:27:43 CDT
From: barb(AT)abucejo.sps.mot.com (Barbra Abucejo)
Subject: DML: stainless steel brush
Does anyone know where I can purchase a stainless steel brush
for the DMC?
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:06:53 -0400
From: Scott Sykes
Subject: DML: Car Insurance on the Web
Here are some companies specializing in classic car insurance. They all
have web sites.
Condon & Skelly
1-800-257-9496
http://www.condonskelly.com/ - has online rates
American Collectors Insurance
1 (800) 360-2277 (8:30 am - 4:30 pm, EST)
24-hour Fax: (609) 779-7289
http://www.classicar.com/vendors/acins/acins.htm
Haggerty Classic Insurance
1.800.922.4050
http://www.hagerty.com/
This list is neither an endorsement or recommendation.
I just wanted to distribute some information to the group.
Scott Sykes (vin #00577)
delorean(AT)erols.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:51:00 -0400
From: "Misha A. Weitzner"
Subject: Re: DML: movies featuring DMC
Stainlss(AT)aol.com wrote:
> Well, in the first Beverly Hills Cop movie, when Eddie Murphy is getting
> some things out of the cooler of his car trunk, and two cops follow him, a
DMC is
> parked behind.
>
> Also, in the tv series Eerie Indiana, an episode featured a movie producer
> owning one and driving around all over the backlot.
>
> And finally, a couple years back I saw an episode of 'The New Leave It
> To Beaver', and two guys pulled up in what looked like a Gold Plated DMC.
Not sure
> though.
Stainless,
I remember seeing a Delorean in Beverly Hills Cop
1 at that scene, it was hard to tell not watching it in Letterbox form,
but after a couple times of repeating the scene I too knew there is a
DMC in that movie. My question though is, can anyone name another movie
other than BTTF with a Delorean as a main mode of transportation. From
what I know there is one other movie and for anyone who wants to know:
The movie is called "Malibu Express", it is a movie from I
believe the early 80's. It is a red DMC driven by the main character
for most of the movie. It was the first time I saw a different colored
DMC. I happened to see it late in the night on Showtime a couple of
months ago. It was a murder mystery/porno (no offense to any female
readers) movie from what I recall. It also has a cheesy scene where the
DMC races a piece of junk, and losses, but as it turns out the other car
was fixed up (super-charged and stuff) and broke down after the race.
If you want to rent this film I would probably look under the adult
movies section. I hope that helps anyone wanting to see a movie with a
non-time traveling Delorean, which is red.
Misha Weitzner
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:05:44 -0400
From: Sean Mullally
Subject: DML: Engine compartment lock
Hello, I have just purchased my Delorean (#3868) and am making a list of
what I have to do to it. One question I have: Is the engine compartment
supposed to lock? Mine dosen't and I can't see any mechanism for it. Am
I missing something or was this never disigned in?
- -Sean Mullally
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:06:53 -0400
From: Scott Sykes
Subject: DML: Car Insurance on the Web
Here are some companies specializing in classic car insurance. They all
have web sites.
Condon & Skelly
1-800-257-9496
http://www.condonskelly.com/ - has online rates
American Collectors Insurance
1 (800) 360-2277 (8:30 am - 4:30 pm, EST)
24-hour Fax: (609) 779-7289
http://www.classicar.com/vendors/acins/acins.htm
Haggerty Classic Insurance
1.800.922.4050
http://www.hagerty.com/
This list is neither an endorsement or recommendation.
I just wanted to distribute some information to the group.
Scott Sykes (vin #00577)
delorean(AT)erols.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:56:49 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Improved DML back issue search function!
After several days of not being able to search the back
issues, this morning I discovered I could search better than
ever!
Apparently Aaron has been a busy guy. The old search
engine returned a few words or a paragraph; the new search
engine creates a hypertext page which gets you to the entire
issue in the archive. There you can read the entire context of
the post, which I consider very useful.
Try it out. It's kind of fun! You can get to it from the DML /
DMC News homepage at:
www.dmcnews.com
It's great that that huge volume of DeLorean information is so
much more useful now. Thanks Aaron!
- - Mike Substelny
ps. The DML has discussed DeLoreans in movies and on TV
before. You should be able to find a lot of that information by
searching the back issues.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:36:24 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: DML Re: Engine compartment lock.
Yes, Sean, the engine compartment is supposed to lock.
There should be a pull handle at the end of a cable on the
driver's side of the rear window.
My car doesn't have this either. Perhaps the entire system
was removed by a previous owner, but it looks more like it
was never installed. Either way, it has been a very minor
concern to me and I don't plan to do anything about it.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:15:35 -0400
From: "Misha A. Weitzner"
Subject: DML: Re: DMC movie
> There's another movie featuring a delorean?
Yes, there is another DMC movie for anyone who wants to know. I
sent a letter a few days ago about it, but it was never posted so I am
going to write it again:
A few months back I was watching Showtime at
around midnight, and then this movie called "Malibu Express" came on.
It is rated R for adult contents. The movie was made in I believe the
early 80's. For 3/4 of the movie the main character uses a DMC for his
main mode of transportation. I'm not sure about the specifics of the
car other than that it was a red DMC- the first time I saw another
colored Delorean. It looked pretty cool, although I like the original
stainless steel. The movie is some sort of murder mystery I believe,
hard to remember. There are also some other nice cars in the movie, I
think there were also Ferraris and such, but can't exactly remember.
There was one scene that I didn't like though. The main character races
his Delorean against some junk car, and he losses, but as it turns out
the opponent did stuff to his car like supercharge and add nitros and
stuff. After the race the opponents car breaks down though. Anyways, I
have been checking the TV Guide for this movie to come on again, but
there has been nothing. It can probably be rented, but I never
checked. Again, it is called "Malibu Express" and it is mainly for the
adult audience. I hope that helps.
Misha Weitzner
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:25:24 -0400
From: Dan Baisley
Subject: Re: DML: movies featuring DMC
At 08:18 PM 7/14/97 -0400, Stainlss(AT)aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-07-14 18:23:29 EDT, you write:
>
><< Hi all DMLers. I was just wondering does anybody know any other
> movies featuring the DMC? If anyone wants to know what it is,
> reply..... >>
>
How 'bout the Simpsons episode where Troy McClure (You may remember me
from
dental hygene films such as "Floss is your Friend") is driving drunk in
his
D and gets pulled over by chief Wiggum. He opens the door and smacks
Wiggum
in the forehead...
Dan
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:28:15 -0700
From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
Subject: Re: DML: Engine compartment lock
Sean Mullally wrote:
>
Is the engine compartment
> supposed to lock? Mine dosen't and I can't see any mechanism for it.
> -Sean Mullally
- ------------------------------
Since the engine compartment plate release and "boot" release are
accessable only from the interior I guess that "they" figured that
locking the car would be sufficient protection against entry into these
areas.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 19:29:19 -0400
From: Htos Drol
Subject: Re: PAINTED cars (was DML: movies featuring DMC)
> The movie is called "Malibu Express", it is a movie from I
>believe the early 80's. It is a red DMC driven by the main character
>for most of the movie. It was the first time I saw a different colored
>DMC.
On the subject of different colored DMC's, how does a DMC come to be
of a
different color? Were they produced from the factory in various colors or
is
this a cutomizing issue? Someone in my hometown (eons ago) had a red
Delorean and they bragged about it's uniqueness. I thought the stainless
steel body WAS unique!
I'm a novice to DMC's and am curious.
Thanks!
Dave
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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 97 08:14:28 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Back issue search
Through the efforts of list member Aaron Barrus, the archived back issues
of the DeLorean Mailing List are now searchable. This means that in a
matter of a few seconds you can find each instance of a particular
subject as it was discussed over the past two years.
http://www.dmcnews.com/search.html
Please give it a try sometime in the next few days!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:05:37 EDT
From: gt-roadracer(AT)juno.com (GUY T AVELLON)
Subject: DML: Re: lower front/speed/etc
Re: Lower front
This will also tie in with the individual who asked last week about info
regarding making his car go fast. Lowering the front by 2" will increase
your ground effect by having more downforce on the front which is light
to begin with. The underside of our vehicles are flat. Running into
tripple digit speeds in the normal configuration will create an air foil
and the car is a wing because of the differing air pressures, especially
if there is a slight rise or crest in the road. The lower front will
decrease your top speed but increase road stability and give more
consistent tire wear. I lowered mine in '85 and have no regrets. Value
reduction? I wouldn't believe so because if the new purchaser wanted to
reconvert, it is not permanent and is easy if you keep a set of springs.
I bought a new set and had them altered so I do have the originals. This
is a MUST if you want to go fast with any control.
Turbos are expensive and you may wish to save the PRV by pulling it and
replacing it with a small block aluminum V-8. (besides, turbos are much
better with intercoolers-my next project)
If you go with the big engine, the brakes need to be beefed to be able to
stop the vehicle. Larger rotors and two sets of disc brakes per rotor,
just like the race cars. If you do race, then the rotors need to be
ventillated and ducted. Speed is not cheap, but you must be aware of all
cause-effect aspects before you indiscriminently bolt on new power, don't
forget the tranny, drive shaft, cam, pistons and main connectors. Best of
luck.
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