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Sunday, July 27 1997 Volume 02 : Number 263
In this issue:
Re: DML: cracked dash questions
DML: Delorean: (insurance/toys/old DOA member)
DML: DeLorean toys
DML: DeLorean Production Chronology - UPDATE
DML: Re: Bleeding Cooling System.
DML: Semi-dead ASI radio
DML: fuel accumulator
DML: re: Distributor Cap and rotor
DML: Know Any Good Sites?
DML: Re: Bleeding Cooling System.
DML: Oil pressure sending unit.
DML: re: Snowmass EXPO ' 97
DML: Search for David Davis
DML: High pitched whine??
DML: Personal to Bruce Lasuta (or someone who knows him)
Re: DML: turbocharged D
DML: For sale: 81, manual, gray
DML: State Farm Insurance
Re: DML: fuel accumulator
Re: DML: turbocharged D
DML: AC hissing sound and the Mode Switch
Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.
Re: DML: John DeLorean's address
Re: DML: Re: DMC movie
Re: DML: DeLorean Production Chronology - UPDATE
DML: Delorean sounds
DML: Catching up
Re: DML: To lower or not to lower your DMC! That is the question.
Re: DML: Know Any Good Sites?
DML: Turbocharging and 250+ HP
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 09:34:19 -0000
From: Louis Weiland
Subject: Re: DML: cracked dash questions
I knew this topic had come up a time or two before, so I dashed off to
the BACK ISSUE SEARCH ENGINE at:
http://www.dmcnews.com/search.html
and entered "cracked dash" as the search criteria...
I got five different hits, the most pertinent of which seemed to be:
http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml214.html
Thanks to Aaron for creating the search engine, it's really great!
Louis Weiland
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:29:32 -0400
From: "Fedeli, Joe"
Subject: DML: Delorean: (insurance/toys/old DOA member)
Regarding Steve's message on insurance: I had State Farm insurance from
1982 (purchased new) till about 1985 when I canceled my insurance when
State Farm refused to repair my "D" after I took it to 3 dealers THEY
suggested for repairs. Rationale being it cost too much for a
replacement right door, therefore, the car can be PAINTED stainless
steel. After a lengthily court battle for over 3+ years, the company
paid in full for a new door + labor (no paint), however, modified their
policy to permanately exclude DeLoreans from being underwritten in PA.
Regarding Brandon's message on toys: I'm aware of the ZEE 1/125 scale
matchbox type car with opening doors, Matchbox 1/125 scale painted
(yellow or red) original prototype DeLorean, BTTF 1/125 approximate
scale McDonalds wind-up toy, BTTF 1/300 approximate scale micro machine,
1/220 approximate scale transformer car/man DeLorean, 2 pewter 1/43
scale DeLoreans (one with open doors/one with closed), aluminum Delorean
about 1/125 scale desk weight, bumper car BTTF DeLorean racer with nobby
wheels about 1/75 scale, hovering BTTF 1/25 approximate scale DeLorean,
1/25 remote control BTTF DeLorean, 4 versions of the BTTF models 1/25
scale from each movie (2 from #3 movie), 1/125 scale BTTF key chain
plastic model, 1/125 scale pewter BTTF rear end key chain, 1/100 scale
approximate high gloss BTTF left side key chain, and 2
prototype/production LEXAN bodies 1/20 approximate scale for a true R/C
frame and gear. That's as I'm aware of to date. I've not included the
wooden hand made DeLorean!!
Regarding Louis message about old DOA members on list. I used to be a
member from the start, but dropped out about 7 years ago. Why would
anybody now want to be a member of DOA the way they treat the OUTSIDERS?
My opinion
Joe Fedeli
jfedeli(AT)dpsc.dla.mil
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:33:30 -0400
From: "Fedeli, Joe"
Subject: DML: DeLorean toys
One supplier of DeLorean toys that I know of is: DeLorean Literature,
3116 Welsh Road, Philadelphia, PA 19136-1810 for a SSAE. They may have
some of the toys listed on the e-mail to the list.
Joe Fedeli
jfedeli(AT)dpsc.dla.mil
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 11:57:36 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: DeLorean Production Chronology - UPDATE
Sorry for the delay in getting this out - a BIG thanks to everyone who
has submitted information for this chronology. We're up to 148 cars!
Things I noticed this time around include:
1. Anything between January 82 and May 82?
2. According to the various books, when did JZD double production?
3. Anyone want to tally where the cars are by state, and which states are
missing?
4. Several prominent list contributors are missing from the list -
where's your info?
If you sent in info and it's not here, I didn't get it - please send
again - I am now sending confirmations to all who send in their data -
thanks, and keep 'em coming!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
1981 DeLorean Production Chronology (103)
- -----------------------------------------------
00500 Jan 81 Crawford Automotive Museum (Ohio), black, 5 speed
00502 Mar 81 WITHHOLD NAME (Texas), black 5 speed (Twin Turbo Prototype)
00514 ??? 81 Ulster Folk and Transport Museum (Belfast), black, 5 speed
00515 ??? 81 Dennis Listenberger (Indiana), black, automatic (factory
crash test car)
00577 Mar 81 Scott Sykes (New Jersey), black, 5-speed
00897 Mar 81 Nick Kemp (Minnesota), black, 5 speed
00938 Apr 81 Osamu Shimohara (Japan), black, 5-speed
01007 Apr 81 A. Bradley Smith (Missouri), black, manual
01028 Apr 81 George Ford (North Carolina), black, 5 speed
01042 Apr 81 Billy Runyan (Illinois), black, 5 speed
01049 Apr 81 Web Bixby (Missouri), black, 5 speed
01141 Apr 81 Henry Breer (California), black, 5 speed (no build plate on
car-salvage)
01149 Apr 81 Don Gowler (Illinois), black, automatic
01203 Apr 81 Bobby Mims (Texas), black, automatic
01273 May 81 Joe Stueben (California), black, automatic
01280 May 81 Mike Substelny (Ohio), black, 5 speed
01305 May 81 Matt Johnson (California), black, automatic
01329 May 81 Ken Knowlton (Ohio), black, automatic
01363 May 81 Stephen Collopy (United Kingdom), black, manual
01387 May 81 Mike Hirko (Washington), black, 5 speed
01482 May 81 Tom Long (Georgia), black, 5 speed
01523 May 81 Scott Ciszek (Virginia), black, 5 speed
01529 May 81 Chase Clark (Missouri), black, 5-speed
01595 ??? 81 International Motorsports Hall of Fame (Alabama), black, 5
speed
01604 Jun 81 Scott Engelhart (Wisconsin), black, 5-speed
01606 Jun 81 Ralph Sandstrom (Illinois), black, 5 speed
01723 Jun 81 Robert Corkum (Ontario), black, 5 speed
02135 Jul 81 Mike Griese (Minnesota), black, 5 speed
02191 Jul 81 Steve Klein (New York), black, automatic
02200 Jul 81 Dave Olson (Washington), black, automatic
02255 Jul 81 Markus Gunkel (Germany), black, 5 speed
02273 Jul 81 Jameel Ahed (Illinois), black, 5-speed
02320 Jul 81 Richard Strecker (Ohio), black, 5 speed
02323 Jul 81 Paddy Kelly (Ireland), black, automatic
02355 Jul 81 Murray Gintis (Massachusetts), black, 5-speed
02486 Jul 81 Harry Nethers (Ohio), black, 5-speed
02513 Jul 81 Burnside (Ohio), black, 5-speed
02541 Aug 81 Mike Allsun (New Hampshire), black, 5 speed
02781 Aug 81 Bob Benyon (Rhode Island), black, automatic
02784 Aug 81 Danny Randall (North Carolina), black, automatic
02790 Aug 81 Mark Hershey (Texas), black, automatic
02823 Aug 81 Duke Bladorn (Alabama), black, automatic
02860 Aug 81 Chris Rabalais (Arizona), black, 5 speed
02981 Aug 81 Scott Mueller (California), grey, 5-speed
03014 Aug 81 Charlie Sens' Antique Auto Museum (Ohio), grey
03153 Aug 81 Ray Haug (California), grey, 5 speed
03156 Aug 81 Riteway Auto Parts (Arizona) TOTALLED
03472 Aug 81 Michael Babb (North Carolina), grey, 5 speed
03476 Aug 81 Joel Matos (Puerto Rico), grey, 5 speed
03583 Sep 81 Bob Benyon (New Jersey), black, auto
03713 Sep 81 Mike Pack (Maryland), , automatic
03864 Sep 81 WITHHOLD NAME (California), black, 5-speed
03868 Sep 81 Sean Mullally (Michigan), black, auto
03886 Sep 81 Bob Kidd (Ohio), black, 5-speed
04091 Sep 81 Scott Constans (Minnesota), black, 5-speed
04155 Sep 81 Guy Boutet (Quebec), black, 5 speed
04181 Sep 81 Frank Augustine (Illinois), black, 5-speed
04214 Oct 81 Bob Miller (North Carolina), grey, manual
04428 Oct 81 Matt Peak (California), grey, 5-speed
04556 Oct 81 Vincent Voss (Alaska), grey, 5 speed
04634 Oct 81 Cliff Griffith (Texas), grey, 5-speed
04797 Oct 81 Dennis Lowery (Virginia), grey, automatic
04883 Oct 81 Garry Hewitt (United Kingdom), grey, 5 speed
04955 Oct 81 Luke Soasey (Oregon), grey, manual
05102 Oct 81 Frank Karchefski (Tennessee), grey, automatic
05203 Oct 81 Jason Winter (Texas), grey, 5 speed
05319 Oct 81 Bill Burden (Alabama), grey, 5 speed
05321 Oct 81 Cars of the Stars Museum (Tennessee), gray, 5 speed
05429 Oct 81 David Swingle (Illinois), grey, 5 speed
05489 Oct 81 Bob Chafer (Georgia), grey, 5 speed
05501 Oct 81 Randal Brown (Minnesota), grey, 5-speed
05581 Oct 81 Robert Kerman (Wisconsin), gray, 5-speed
05649 Oct 81 Joe Fedeli (Pennsylvania), gray, 5-speed
05729 Oct 81 Lee Seiler (California), grey, 5 speed
05832 Oct 81 Jim Senft (Maryland), grey, 5 speed
05922 Oct 81 Frederick Embden (New York)
05962 Oct 81 Murray Fisher (Washington), grey, automatic
05980 Oct 81 Klaus Steiner (Germany), grey, 5 speed
05997 Oct 81 John Chandler (Wisconsin), grey, 5 speed
06068 Nov 81 Marc Levy (New Jersey), grey, 5 speed
06097 Nov 81 Gabe Rexach (Florida), grey, 5 speed
06151 Nov 81 John Jeakle (Ohio), grey, 5-speed
06221 Nov 81 George Ford (North Carolina) TOTALLED
06229 Nov 81 Howie Breinan (Connecticut), grey, 5-speed
06247 Nov 81 Mike Novotny (Pennsylvania, grey, 5 speed
06250 Nov 81 Dennis Listenberger (Indiana), grey, automatic
06301 Nov 81 Chris Shepherd (Oregon), grey, 5 speed
06344 Nov 81 Travis Graham (Tennessee), grey, 5-speed
06416 Nov 81 Jason Ross (Illinois), grey, 5 speed
06530 Nov 81 Dick Ryan (Colorado), grey, auto
06569 Nov 81 Bruce Battles (Tennessee), grey, 5 speed
06581 Nov 81 Lars-Goran Andersson (Sweden), grey, 5 speed
06600 Nov 81 Byrne Heninger (Georgia), ???, 5 speed
06623 Nov 81 Dan Berglund (Washington), grey, 5 speed
06678 Nov 81 Lars Opheim (Norway), grey, 5 speed
06810 Nov 81 Kevin Wolter (Illinois), grey, 5-speed
06823 Nov 81 Jim Sigl (Ohio), grey, automatic
06836 Nov 81 David Davis (Missouri), grey, 5-speed
06882 Nov 81 Raz D'Angelo (Florida) grey, automatic
06884 Nov 81 James Nichols Sr (Texas), grey, 5 speed
06938 Nov 81 Bruce Benson (Minnesota), grey, 5 speed
07134 Nov 81 Phillip Pratt (Texas), grey, 5 speed
07139 Nov 81 Tom Goff (Maryland), grey, 5-speed
1982 DeLorean Production Chronology (22)
- -----------------------------------------------
10004 Dec 81 WITHHOLD NAME (Alabama) grey, 5 speed
10059 Dec 81 WITHHOLD NAME (California)
10209 Dec 81 Ron and Margaret Jackson (Arizona)
10213 Dec 81 Michael Gaines (New Jersey), grey, 5 speed
10251 Dec 81 Eddy Cue (California), grey, 5 speed
10410 Dec 81 Tom Ghesquiere (Texas), grey, 5 speed
10430 Dec 81 Jim Sigl (Ohio), grey, automatic
10431 Dec 81 Marianne Marcusson (Kansas), grey, 5-speed
10570 Dec 81 James Espey (Arizona), grey, 5 speed
10574 Dec 81 Dennis Adams (Wisconsin), grey, 5-speed
10607 Dec 81 Tony Swiantek (Illinois), grey, automatic
10675 Dec 81 Marty Maier (Illinois), grey, 5 speed
10688 Dec 81 Steve Brodsky (Texas), grey, 5-speed
10696 Dec 81 DeLorean Motor Company (Texas)
10734 Dec 81 Steve Minner (Florida), grey, 5-speed
10788 Dec 81 Don Gowler (Illinois), grey, 5 speed
11060 Jan 82 Rob Hook (Virginia) grey, 5 speed
11152 Jan 82 Trinity M. Barbuto (Massachusetts)
11529 Jan 82 Bryan Pearce (Illinois)
11554 Jan 82 Aaron Mills (Michigan)
11594 Jan 82 David Olson (Wisconsin), black, 5-speed
12174 May 82 ??? (United Kingdom), black, 5-speed RHD
1983 DeLorean Production Chronology (24)
- ----------------------------------------------
15244 Aug 82 Byrne Heninger (Georgia), black, 5 speed
15275 Aug 82 David Hudgins (Maryland), grey, 5 speed
15880 Aug 82 Doug Venner (New Jersey), grey, 5-speed
16000 Aug 82 Marv Sterling (New York), grey, 5-speed
16095 Aug 82 Robin McNeill (Nevada), gray, 5-speed
16344 Aug 82 Knut Grimsrud (Oregon), grey, 5-speed
16348 Aug 82 Ray Haug (California), grey, automatic
16353 Aug 82 Randy Atamaniuk (Canada), grey, 5 speed
16381 Aug 82 Michael Reinemuth (Heidelberg / Germany)
16422 Aug 82 Ray Petragallo (California). grey, 5 speed
16684 Aug 82 Ken Koncelik (Ohio), black, 5 speed
16693 Aug 82 Dave Kaplan (Iowa), black, automatic
16816 Aug 82 Rich Reeves (Ohio), grey, 5-speed
16873 Aug 82 Jeffrey Altman (Florida), grey, 5 -speed
16900 Aug 82 Jay Steinberg (Illinois), grey, 5-speed
17006 Sep 82 Virginia Hodges (Maryland), grey, automatic
17015 Sep 82 Robert S. Rodgers (New Jersey), black, 5-speed
17065 Sep 82 Eric Hennebury (Toronto), grey, 5-speed
17106 Sep 82 Michael Fischer (Calgary) grey, 5-speed
17115 ??? 82 WITHHOLD NAME (Netherlands), grey, 5 speed
17149 ??? 82 Kjell Myhre (California), grey, 5-speed
20040 ??? 82 Charlie Sens' Antique Auto Museum (OH), grey
20095 Dec 82 WITHHOLD NAME (New Jersey), grey, 5-speed (10th from last
made)
20103 Dec 82 Michael Stark (Illinois), black, 5 speed
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:39:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: Bleeding Cooling System.
Eric:
I have never bled the radiator myself, but I do know which hose to use.
On the passenger side of the car, the radiator has a lower hose and a
smaller upper hose that meet about a foot away from the radiator. The
upper hose is the bleed hose. Anyone care to add more specific
instructions?
Chase
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 13:37:38 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Semi-dead ASI radio
Got in the Delorean this morning to come to work and turned on the radio
- - got the station pre-set lights, AM/FM indicator, etc but no sound or
station display (note that this is an ASI radio, and not Craig unit with
the notoriously flaky ribbon cable). Pop a tape in and it plays fine.
Pressing the pre-set buttons does not make them change color, but they
are lit.
Volume is also different. With a tape in, I have to have it cranked up
all the way to get a normal volume level. As an interesting aside, I got
in the car at lunch and turned it on and the volume blasted for a moment
then dropped back to it's now "normal" low volume.
Any ideas?
James
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Date: : 7/25/97 6:07 AM
From: michael h.collins(AT)world.std.com, MHTEXCOLLINS(AT)pop.a001.sprintmail.com
Subject: DML: fuel accumulator
Just what the heck is a fuel accumulator and why?
I actually just need to know what size and type of hoses connect the
accumulator to the car. I recently changed my accumulator and one hose
started leaking and the other looked like it was fixing to start.
I only can lift the car a short time at a time so I want to have the
right hoses on hand and ready to go.Thanks for any help anyone can give.
But now back to the "A" word. Being an inquisitive machinist, the first
thing that I wanted to do with the old accumulator was to cut it open
and see what I could find. Mercy, when that thing cut through you would
of thought a bomb had gone off. A spring the likes of a monster truck
overload spring came flying out and darn nead killed every living thing
in the building. We never did find the end with the fittings on it.
What does a fuel system need with that much pressure behind it?
How much pressure is it? Doesn't this pressure dissipate over time after
feul pump is off, And if so, how does the engine have enough pressure
to start or does it not need it? etc Can some of the accumulator
enlightened please try to enlighten me?
Thanks to all
mhtexcollins(AT)juno.com
vin#5915
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:08:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Eric J. Hennebury"
Subject: DML: re: Distributor Cap and rotor
Mike,
With regards to the distributor cap and rotor being
interchangeable with the Delorean... they are. The engine is a Volvo
B28-F for ignition purposes (and most other stuff as well). When I go to
the local Napa to order such parts, I ask for this engine by name. I
actually just replaced my distributor cap and rotor, so I can vouch for
this cross reference (although just like everyone else, I will assume no
legal responsibility for recommending it). Good luck securing your new
parts sources!
Eric
VIN 17065
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:38:29 -0600
From: "Ian Westerfield"
Subject: DML: Know Any Good Sites?
Does anyone know any good sites that have to do with hard core DeLorean.
Like pictures and good articles on the history of the DeLorean?
Thanks,
Ian
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:35:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Eric J. Hennebury"
Subject: DML: Re: Bleeding Cooling System.
Chase,
I just bled my cooling system and I'd have to agree that that hose
does in fact bleed the rad. However, I have a feeling that it will bleed
automatically and that any air in the system will bubble up into the
reserve bottle due to the direction of flow, therefore it is only
necessary to bleed from the single bleed screw. If anyone knows
otherwise, please contribute!
Eric
ps- my Mityvac brake bleeder vacuum pump assisted in making a quick job
of bleeding the cooling system!
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 GullWinged(AT)aol.com wrote:
> Eric:
>
> I have never bled the radiator myself, but I do know which hose to use.
> On the passenger side of the car, the radiator has a lower hose and a
> smaller upper hose that meet about a foot away from the radiator. The
> upper hose is the bleed hose. Anyone care to add more specific
> instructions?
>
> Chase
>
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:28:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Eric J. Hennebury"
Subject: DML: Oil pressure sending unit.
Hey everyone,
I just got my Delorean back on the road after yanking the engine
and re-installing it. Everything is running beautifully, and I thought
I'd like to share a couple pieces of possibly useful information with
everyone. First of all, for those of you with pegged oil pressure gauges
that would like better readings: I replaced the stock sending unit (the
one by the oil filter) with "standard" 157 as was suggested a while back
on this list. The result was excellent. It screws right in with out any
adaptors required. The only modification is to replace the eye connector
on the wiring harness with a blade connector. The result?... an oil
reading that makes sense (although I must confess, I have done nothing to
measure the actual oil pressure).
Next: There are listings at most jobbers (ie: Napa, Carquest,
etc.) for the oxygen sensor and the idle control units. These were the
only parts I could find that were actually listed for a Delorean.
Bottom line is that they are considerably cheaper than buying parts from
a Bosch supplier (half price in my case).
Finally: I put DOT 5 fluid in my brake and clutch lines. The
stuff is expensive, but is much nicer to work with than DOT 4. Doesn't
smell, won't irritate skin, won't eat paint if spilled, will actually
serve to protect rubber seals rather than degrade them, and best of all,
won't absorb water. Performance is unaffected, and expected life is much
longer. So far I've had no problems with it, and I see no down side, but
if I do experience any problems, I'll keep everyone posted.
As usual, I have to state that I can assume no responsibility for
any of these recommendations, but I just thought I'd share my
experiences. Happy Motoring!
Eric
VIN 17065
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 22:49:09 -0000
From: David Swingle
Subject: DML: re: Snowmass EXPO ' 97
James wrote:>
>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 16:36:46 -0000
>From: James Espey
>Subject: Re: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97
>
>>If you are planning to attend EXPO '97 in Snowmass, Colorado, and haven't
>
>Who from the list is planning on attending the EXPO at Snowmass? I had
>planned on attending but the failure of the board to arrange a concours
>(balloon rides, horseback riding, fly fishing - this is still a car club,
>right?)
I'm not planning on going. I went to Nashville last year. We went there
for two reasons - to find out more about the car and the availability of
support, and because it was a reasonable driving distance from home
(Chicago area). We had a GREAT time "on the cheap". We only went to the
car-related events, i.e. the night at the drive-in, the tech session, the
products fair, and the concours, and we stayed at a nearby motel. The
idea was to spend the money on the car. Obviously successful in that
respect - I bought my '81 DeLorean this spring.
This year's Expo is just a little farther than I want to drive for a
weekend, and seems to be a long haul even from the nearest major
airport. It also happens to be after school starts, making the trip as
part of a longer vacation less feasible for someone with kids (me). With
the de-organization of the DOA, my guess/fear is that the DOA events in
the future will tend to be mostly on the left coast (the questionnaire
regarding a day at the track in SoCal comes to mind). I have not decided
whether or not to re-up yet, but I've honestly been supported very well
via this list, the Midwest Club, and the two major parts vendors that I
have been dealing with. My major motivator for re-signing would be to
keep in touch with what is going on nationally, and the magazine,
although in many respects the "meatiest" part of the magazine is the
advertising. This may no longer be worth the money.
BTW - I had been told about the Wisconsin event mentioned by Dick Ryan -
now I'm REALLY sorry I missed it but I was still in the midst of some
major fuel system overhaul work. Dick - make sure you post something when
you hear about the next one!!
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
94 Integra GSR
96 Caravan
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 8:36:00 -0500
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01
Subject: DML: Search for David Davis
Would David Davis of Missouri with the 1981 #06836 please contact me at:
cfpo01(AT)email.mot.com
I would like to talk to you about your custom side stripes.
Thanks, The Silver Fox
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:44:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Starman
Subject: DML: High pitched whine??
Hi all,
Yesterday I started getting a high pitched whine from the engine.
I can't tell where it's coming from exactly because the noise is bouncing
all around the engine compartment. It's characterisitc is that it changes
in pitch only when I step on the gas, and as I accelerate, it does NOT go
higher in pitch, but lower in volume. My guess is that it's a vacuum leak
somewhere. It could be a pulley, but I have no way of checking. Anyone
ever have this problem?
Mike
VIN 10213
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 07:11:14 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Personal to Bruce Lasuta (or someone who knows him)
My mail to you is being returned, though I can receive from you. Please
email me again with instructions on how to call you.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:01:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeloreanGY(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: turbocharged D
I was wondering how much horsepower does a turbocharged Delorean Have? I
have heard 300 but that sure does seem like alot of horsepower added from
a
130 horsepower motor?
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:02:09 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter
Subject: DML: For sale: 81, manual, gray
Marriage is in my future but my D is not. I am selling my '81 so I can =
purchase a car that I do not need to store in the Winter. Here are the =
specs:
'81 DMC, #6810, manual, gray, 39,000 miles, stainless. Pictures =
available via Email if interested.
Email: kwolter(AT)micropace.com
Home phone: (217) 762-4361
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:34:05 -0400
From: Mike Griese
Subject: DML: State Farm Insurance
Steve
I have State Farm insurance on my car. My agent is Dick Thomsen. Give
Jodie a
call at (507)289-2301. She'll be happy to help.
Michael A. Griese
Internet: magriese(AT)vnet.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2432
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:41:38 +0000
From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: Re: DML: fuel accumulator
Michael wrote,
> Just what the heck is a fuel accumulator and why?
The fuel accumulator keeps pressure in the fuel lines when the
engine, fuel pump, is shut off. When the engine is hot fuel in the
lines will boil, creating a "vapor lock", and your engine will not
start. After the engine compartment cools it doesn't matter if the
pressure has bled down, no heat, no boiling, no problem.
Chris
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:45:34 +0000
From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: Re: DML: turbocharged D
> I was wondering how much horsepower does a turbocharged Delorean Have? I
> have heard 300 but that sure does seem like alot of horsepower added from
> a
> 130 horsepower motor?
No increase unless under boost. Under boost it depends on the
pressure setting. Normal settings at 6lbs. gives about 210hp.
Chris
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:10:00 -0400
From: Mike Griese
Subject: DML: AC hissing sound and the Mode Switch
Travis
Your AC problem does sound like a mode switch failure. They are as Mike
described,
a combination vacuum switch and electrical switch. The electrical
contacts tend
to carbon up over time and prevent the fan from working properly. The
vacuum boss was made with a lubricant on it, but it evaporates over time
causing the hissing sound. The switch can be rebuilt, new ones are around
$60.
Michael A. Griese
Internet: magriese(AT)vnet.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2432
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: RMoore2208(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.
Does this pewter Delorean have movable parts? do the gullwing doors move
or
the engine hood, or bonnet?
thanks,
RM
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: John DeLorean's address
John is still resident at his farm in Bedminster, New Jersey, as a
colleague
of mine visited him there last month (June).
He once told me that he receives about 60 letters a week from car devotees
from around the world so I guess he can't reply to everyone.
Best wishes,
Robert Lamrock
Belfast, N. Ireland.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:25:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Re: DMC movie
A DeLorean car was once in "Dynasty" but the producers (Aaron Spelling
Productions) told me that there were hundreds of episodes and without
knowing
the title of the episode it would be an impossible task to trace.
Any "Dynasty" fanatics out there in cyberspace??
Best wishes,
Robert Lamrock
Belfast, N. Ireland
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:24:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Production Chronology - UPDATE
In delving through my archives I thought you might be interested in the
following facts;
There were 90 preproduction cars built during December 1980/January 1981.
Full scale production of the DMC-12 commenced in February 1981. In that
month 149 cars were produced, the number of employees at that time being
862.
Of these 149 cars; 84 were reserved for RHD coversion and/or use by
limited
personnel, 50 were reserved for use as company/and or training cars in the
United States, and 15 were reserved as DeLorean dealer demonstration
cars.
The first cars designated for sale to DeLorean dealers were built in
March.(205) There were 6 cars reserved for engineering development and/or
puiblic relations use in Northern Ireland, and 16 for company and/or
training
in the United States.
There were 268 vehicles assembled in April, and in April 1981 the first
shipment of 377 cars was made to the U.S.A..
There were 403 cars assembled in May (1 being a further dealer
demonstration
car), and 532 cars assembled in June.
Following the favourable response to the launch of the car in the United
States in April 1981, DMCL decided to increase production. In July it was
decided to work a second shift and, as a result, the numbers employed rose
sharply. By August there were approximately 2,000 employees and by
January
1982 it had reached 2,600.
Production of the car increased in increments from 37 cars per day in the
second week of July to approximately 80 cars per day in November. As a
result of working a second shift, the company's training centre was
incapable
of handling the high rate of intake; untrained labour had to be put
straight
onto the production line; quality and productivity deteriorated and cash
flow
was put under additional strain. The increased production was not
matched by
retail sales; by the end of January 1982, of the 8,333 cars which had been
produced, 7,401 cars had been shipped to the U.S.A., 5,114 cars had been
sold to dealers, and only 3,347 sold at retail.
On 19th February 1982 it was announced that DMCL was to be placed in
receivership and between 19th Feb.1982 and 31 May 1982 the Receivers
operated
the factory on a one shift per week basis, producing 35 to 40 cars per
week.
On 24 May the Receiver announced that production was to cease and that
some
1,200 of the remaining 1,439 workforce were to be made redundant, the
remainder being retained to complete preparations for the disposal of the
assets. A small workforce assembled unfinished cars until December 1982.
Best wishes,
Robert Lamrock ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com
Belfast, N. Ireland
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:23:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeloreanGY(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Delorean sounds
I was wondering if someone can send me some sounds of Deloreans such as
81,
82 an 83 models? I need to put one or two on my sight. I also have never
heard one before except in BTTF. I would like also to find out how
everyones
deloreans are holding up. I mean like do they run good or have you had
any
major problems? Thanks.
Jason
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:48:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mpeak(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Catching up
I've been catching up on old DMCNEWS issues and would like to address some
comments made:
1. Turbo/super-charging
Jameel made a comment a few isues back about wanting to add more power to
his
car by turbocharging or preferably supercharging. I've done quite a bit
of
research on charging the Delorean engine as I was looking to up my power a
bit also. What I've learned is that although the word "super" is more
awe-inspiring than "turbo," superchargers are at a great disadvantage to
turbochargers (at reasonable boosts and aizes). Turbochargers harness
wasted
exhaust gases and use them to power the turbine(s) while superchargers rob
engine horsepower by making the turbine belt driven. Many people will say
that although superchargers rob some power, it is worth it due to the
lack of
turbo-lag. At 6 psi (which Delorean aftermarket turbo kits are running
at)
and if the turbos are sized correctly the turbochargers react as fast as
superchargers do. In addition, although the twin turbo system produced by
Turbo Manifold Co. is beautiful due to its symmetry and exhaust upgrade,
at 6
psi and 2.85 litres, a single turbo will give as much power and as fast
of a
reaction time as the twin turbo system. The reason a twin turbo system
is at
an advantage is when you are running high psi(12-15) and/or larger
displacement engines. At 6 psi, most pressure will escape through the
wastegate. I'm not knocking Turbo Manifold's system...it's a beautiful
and
well thought out system that delivers on it's word for power (so I hear)
and
leaves room for the flexibility of adding low-compression pistons and
forged
crankshafts to the engine, cranking it up to 10-11 psi, and having some
serious power. But for about $2000 total, you can buy a Garrett T4 turbo
or
a T3 for even less (Garrett is a good way to go in aftermarket systems
due to
their flexibility and conformability) from Turbo City, an intercooler from
Spearco, and have a muffler shop form the connecting pipes to finish the
job.
This will allow you to run your system at 7-8 psi and give you about 20
more
horses with all the reaction time of the twin turbo system. If somebody
would like to know the cost of supercharging as a comparison, I have heard
that Delorean Gold has done some supercharging work. However, I do not
trust
that place because when I called they seemed much more interested in the
Montel Williams show in the background than conducting any business (and
practically hung up on my so that they could get back to the show!)
Spearco: (818) 901-7851
Turbo City: (714) 555-1212
Delorean Gold: (718) 448-1334
2. Exhaust system
I talked to Dick Shipman a few months ago about his exhaust system which I
had read about in a very old Delorean Motor Club newsletter. He had a
place
called Major Muffler replace the stock Delorean resonator with a resonator
from a 65 or 66 mustang and increase the barrel size of the exhaust tips
by
swapping the stocks with 2" Anza tips. He reports better sound and a 2
mpg
increase. However, the half-circle cuts in the fiberglass where the
exhaust
tips come out had to be shaved larger, permantly modifying the vehicle
(although Dick says it is not noticeable).
Dick Shipman: (310) 474-8194
Major Muffler: (310) 555-1212
3. Lowering
An alternative to coil-swapping which I personally prefer MUCH more than
the
"slammed" look is simply returning the springs to European specifications
by
lowering the front nose. Many people say that the Delorean should be
lowered
because when the car was produced, higher springs had to be put on due to
U.S. headlight requirements. This is definately true for the front, but
even
if it were true for the rear, I think the rear is already at a reasonable
height. If you look at the picture of Delorean #502 in "Delorean Gold
Portfolio" on page 150, you will notice that the car doesn't look
"slammed,"
it looks leveled out and slightly raked. I bought my shorter front
springs
from Fred Lockett in December for $200 including shipping (I understand
that
Rob Grady now sells them also). They have made my car look very similar
to
the picture of #502 of p.150. Personally I believe the nose could be
brought
down about .5"-1" more for an even greater raked look, but the car looks
very
classy with them on without making the 14in rims on front look even
smaller
than they already are.
Fred Lockett: (215) 625-4932
Rob Grady: (800) 350-7429
4. Tires
Somebody mentioned that Goodyear Eagle GT+4 tires don't work on the
Delorean
due to scraping. I just put these on my car a few months ago and they
work
great. Scraping on the sway bar only occurs on the front tires when the
tire
is turned ALL THE WAY in one direction and even then it's very slight.
The
Eagle's provide great handling (although probably not as great as the
Yokohama AVS since they are a year round tire), great looks from the
205/60
and 245/60 sizes, and excellent value for the money (about $375/set from
tire
rack).
Tire Rack: (800) 428-8355
5. SS Polishes
Somebody a long time ago recommended Turtle Wax Clear Guard as a SS and
rubber polish and I just wanted to second this recommendation. This stuff
works great and brings out the shine and deep silver color in the
stainless
steel. It's available for sale at NAPA.
6. Air Conditioning
Does anybody notice as big of a power loss when their A/C is operating as
I
do? It's like a totally different car: totally sluggish and unresponsive.
Also, is a humming/growling sound normal to be coming from the A/C when
it
is operating?
One last note...I'm talking to the brake supplier and I will find out the
answer to the brake cadmium plating question asked last week.
Matt Peak
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:16:29 -0500
From: bjr(AT)wwa.com (Billy J. Runyan)
Subject: Re: DML: To lower or not to lower your DMC! That is the question.
Sorry to not be in on this discussion from the start, but my modem died
and
it took a week to get it back on line.
The subject of the front end suspension lowering is (to my knowlege) a
much
larger issue than is being reported on this thread so far.
What I understand happened was that during the design phase, about three
years prior to JOB 1, Collin Chapman decided to make the front end chassis
a "fixed" design. This meant that the toe-in angles are not adjustable
and
pre-set by the front end hight. He had done this on other Lotus models
succsessfully to reduce the unsprung wieght (better handling) and reduce
build costs. Then along came DOT (Dept. of Transportation) the year
before
the car was to be released onto the market and said "we are going to
change
the minimum bumper height starting in 1981 cars so that they have more
crash capability. Poor JDZ was already commited to the Chapman design and
would have had to delay release of the vehicle into 1982 (not to mention
the redesign costs). So the expediate thing was done, increase the length
of the springs (ignore the out of wack toe-in and resulting poor handling)
and get the car to market before the threatening British pulled the plug
on
the well over two hundred million dollar fiasco in Belfast. DeLorean had
negotiated a fantastic arrangement where the British investment would have
a cost of living increase at the time of draw. The interest rates at that
time went over 20%. This is why unchanged D's wear out the front rubber on
the outside. It's also why a side view of the car has the fender cowl
distance from the tires different in the front and rear unless the vehicle
is lowered.
If you want to make you D handle the way it was really supposed to... do
the spring mod, if not, keep it stock as a tribute to the failure of the
last hero of the industrial revolution.
The history of the vehicle is full of stories some true, some not. I
followed the JZD story for about five years prior to the release of the
car
from the first announcement by Allstate of the DSV (DeLorean Safety
Vehicle) and the 20 million in seed money that started the project. I
bought SN 1042 new in July 1980. It was one of the first two cars
available in the midwest. I sold it last week but will continue to
montitor and be available to this list to provide any info, stories and
idle gossip to the group. I'm really pleased to see such excitment about
the car after all these years.
Stay tuned...
Billy J. Runyan
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:37:22 -0400
From: jrd(AT)chesapeake.net
Subject: Re: DML: Know Any Good Sites?
Ian Westerfield wrote:
>
> Does anyone know any good sites that have to do with hard core DeLorean.
> Like pictures and good articles on the history of the DeLorean?
>
> Thanks,
> Ian
___________________________________________________________________
If anyone is interested Here is my web page dedicated to the DeLorean
http://www.angelfire.com/md/Delorean/index.html
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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:29:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Turbocharging and 250+ HP
While I have not researched this and am in no way an expert on the
subject, I can say that previous discussions of turbocharging on this
list have stated that the Renault Alpine transmission can handle about
250 HP max. Anything beyond that will AND has blown the 5-speed gearboxes
on DeLoreans.
Chase
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