Wednesday, July 30 1997 Volume 02 : Number 264

In this issue:

DML: Delorean remote control cars.

DML: Delorean on Recent Rerun of Matlock

DML: Midwest Fall Convention Update

DML: Speed

Re: DML: Delorean remote control cars.

DML: '81 Twin Turbo for sale

Re: DML: Delorean remote control cars.

Re: DML: Delorean remote control cars.

Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.

Re: DML: DeLorean Production Chronology - UPDATE

DML: RE: Air Conditioning

DML: How to find the source of engine whine sound

DML: Midwest Fall Convention Alternative?

Re: DML: Midwest Fall Convention Alternative?

DML: cracked dash questions

DML: DMC toys - Hot Wheels

DML: tilt wheel?

DML: Delorean Movie

DML: Yes, DeLoreans have tilt steering wheels

DML: driver door.

DML: RE: DMC toys - Hot Wheels

DML: All British Field Meet reminder

DML: Freehold, NJ Cruise Night this Thursday

DML: Bleeding the Coolant System

DML: CHECK YOUR CARS!

Re: DML: Freehold, NJ Cruise Night this Thursday

DML: Picure of a fuel flap hood

DML: Pewter DMC

DML: Automatic Doors

Re: DML: Pewter DMC

Re: DML: Automatic Doors

DML: DMC Chronology

DML: My hassle with the DOA

DML: DeLorean "small car display" on 8/2/97

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:56:13 -0400 (EDT)

From: DeloreanGY@aol.com

Subject: DML: Delorean remote control cars.

Does anyone know if there is a place where you could call like a R/C hobby

company and suggest they make a delorean body?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:29:50 -0400

From: "M. Garrett Frandsen" <mgf@spacey.net>

Subject: DML: Delorean on Recent Rerun of Matlock

Hello DeLorean enthusiasts ,

2 days ago I was watching an rerun of Matlock , and Don Knotts was on it =

He was Matlocks neighbor on the show. He was looking for a new car =

with some flair so he went and bought a used DeLorean. But when he =

drives it home it brakes down and hes realizes it was a clunker. The =

Name of the episode was ''The Lemon''. It had good shots of the DeLorean =

for about 15 min. of the show. Besides Back to the Future , this is the =

longest i've seen one on TV or a movie

Garrett Frandsen mgf@spacey.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:29:05 -0400 (EDT)

From: GullWinged@aol.com

Subject: DML: Midwest Fall Convention Update

After much consideration and input from others, I have decided against

holding a fall convention for DeLorean enthusiasts here in Missouri (or

anywhere else). This in no way means there was not sufficient interest in

such an event.

I received what amounts to a double promotion at work earlier this month

(meaning doing the job of two people for only slightly more money than a

got before along with a LOT more responsibility). Since then I have been

doing nothing but work day and night, with only a few precious minutes a

day to spend on keeping up with the DML. The coming fall and early winter

will most likely prove to be very hectic at work as we make a lot of

chances to the fairly-new company's way of doing business. With that in

mind, I have come to realize that organizing a car event for this fall is

impossible.

However, I will consider being the lead man on organizing one for late

spring/early summer. Anyone interested in being involved with putting the

event together, is invited to send apply for active duty via email.

Thank you!

Chase

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT)

From: DeloreanGY@aol.com

Subject: DML: Speed

i have had a little contraversy on the speed of a delorean. What is the

actual top speed of one? I have heard 109 and i say 130. Is the v6

really

that weak that it will only go 109?

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:07:11 -0400

From: Dan Baisley <gt7116a@prism.gatech.edu>

Subject: Re: DML: Delorean remote control cars.

At 11:56 AM 7/27/97 -0400, DeloreanGY@aol.com wrote:

>Does anyone know if there is a place where you could call like a R/C hobby

>company and suggest they make a delorean body?

>

The manufacturer most likely to produce a DMC body would be BoLink. They

have a web page at www.bolink.com

Dan

__

If life is going to exist in a Universe of this size, then the

one thing it cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion.

__

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:30:22 -0400 (EDT)

From: FHALS@aol.com

Subject: DML: '81 Twin Turbo for sale

I am just passing this along as an FYI to members of the list, please *do

not* respond to me for further information:

Chicago Tribune (7/27/97)

'81 Delorean s/n # T9BD001235, 12k orig mi, twin turbo charged w/catalytic

converter, lowered 2", ground effect skirts, rear and front air spoiler,

headlight and tailight covers, dark grey interior, all updates. $25,000

Call

Genie 773/399-0998

(the 773 area code for geographic reference generally applies to the

northern

portion of Chicago and it's close suburbs)

- - Peter

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:07:11 -0400

From: Dan Baisley <gt7116a@prism.gatech.edu>

Subject: Re: DML: Delorean remote control cars.

At 11:56 AM 7/27/97 -0400, DeloreanGY@aol.com wrote:

>Does anyone know if there is a place where you could call like a R/C hobby

>company and suggest they make a delorean body?

>

The manufacturer most likely to produce a DMC body would be BoLink. They

have a web page at www.bolink.com

Dan

__

If life is going to exist in a Universe of this size, then the

one thing it cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion.

__

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 97 14:56:46 -0700

From: <espey@dmcnews.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Delorean remote control cars.

At 11:56 AM 7/27/97 -0400, DeloreanGY@aol.com wrote:

>Does anyone know if there is a place where you could call like a R/C hobby

>company and suggest they make a delorean body?

DeLorean One used to make and sell R/C bodies. I do not know if they

still do, but last month when I was in Houston and stopped at DeLorean

Motor Company (formerly a partner with Ed in DeLorean One), I saw a R/C

car body at their shop.

James

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 22:38:06 -0400 (EDT)

From: RazzzzD@aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.

In a message dated 97-07-26 14:20:38 EDT, you write:

<< Does this pewter Delorean have movable parts? do the gullwing doors

move

or

the engine hood, or bonnet?

thanks,

RM >>

The only moving aprts are the wheels

Raz

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 97 22:21:28 -0700

From: <espey@dmcnews.com>

Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Production Chronology - UPDATE

Robert Lamrock shared these fine thoughts:

>In delving through my archives I thought you might be interested in the

>following facts;

(SNIP)

Wow! That's probably the most useful and accurate information regarding

production rates we've ever seen. Thanks, Robert!

James Espey

Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List

http://www.dmcnews.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 05:41:07 -0400 (EDT)

From: GunkelWWW@aol.com

Subject: DML: RE: Air Conditioning

Matt Peak wrote:

>Does anybody notice as big of a power loss when their A/C is operating as

>I do? It's like a totally different car: totally sluggish and unresponsive.

>Also, is a humming/growling sound normal to be coming from the A/C when

>it is operating?

You lose 10% of the engine power with the A/C running.

I notice this loss of power, too.

When this humming/growling sound comes from the A/C compressor in the

engine

compartment -> then its not normal!!.

It could be to much freon, not enugh oil or something else :-).

Or is this sound coming from the interior (blower motor....)??

Markus Gunkel

Germany

GunkelWWW@AOL.COM

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:59:16 -0400

From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org>

Subject: DML: How to find the source of engine whine sound

Mike (Starman) said:

> Yesterday I started getting a high pitched whine from the

> engine. I can't tell where it's coming from exactly

> because the noise is bouncing all around the engine

> compartment.

The same thing happened to me the day before I drove to the

Nashville Expo. It was a simple problem, but it took a little

brain power to locate. I had just bled the water pump, which

required me to remove the rain shield above the throttle

linkage. It turns out that when I replaced the rain shield I

didn't tighten the bolt enough, which lead to an small but

noisy vacuum leak. Once I found it I cured the noise in about

ten seconds.

You can find the source of the offending sound using a

stethoscope, or do as I did and use a siphon hose.

With the engine running, you put one end of the siphon hose

against your ear and touch the other end to part of the

engine. Then move the hose around, and you will easily

detect when you are getting closer to the sound. You will

probably find the problem in less than two minutes.

- - Mike Substelny

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:19:31 -0400

From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org>

Subject: DML: Midwest Fall Convention Alternative?

Sorry to hear that the Fall convention is not going to work

out.

As far as a convention next Spring goes, someone here in

Ohio is already putting together a DeLorean mini-convention

for June 12-14, 1998 in Cincinnatti. I cannot make very many

promises (since I do not yet know the organizer very well) but

he is *very* dedicated to this project.

His plan is to have an event centered around the DeLorean

automobile, with a Concourse as the main attraction. He

sent me an E-mail last week claiming that he already has

first class tech seminars and Concourse judges lined up (I

cannot confirm this part). He has the Cincinnatti History

Museum reserved as a setting for the Concourse & other

events, and a nearby Hotel reserved for the weekend.

Tonight I will ask the organizer's permission to copy that

message (and his name) to the DML. Hopefully you will all

see the details in a day or two.

Currently in Ohio, we former DOA Chapter 23 members do

not have an official "club" to speak of, so at this point I can

claim no personal credit for setting up this event. I would like

to say that the event is not intended to compete with the

DOA Expo, but since it isn't my event I cannot make any

claims. The organizer said he is only doing it because he

wants to go to a good Concourse and this year's DOA Expo

is not offering one. So this mini-convention may be a

one-time-only deal.

No matter what happens, I do plan on attending in June, and

I would like to visit with a lot of my DML friends there.

Theoretically, this mini-convention can succeed with fewer

attendees (while charging much lower prices) than the DOA

Expo, and the organizer claims he already has almost

enough people lined up to make it work. Since it is a

weekend event people within driving distance can attend

without taking any vacation days from work.

Chase, you and I should discuss this away from the DML. If

Cincinatti is close enough for you, and if some of the

Midwest Connection people will show up then that probably

puts him over the top.

In a couple of weeks the Ohio group is getting together to

hammer out our formal relationship, which will help us to

decide if this will become a group event or if it will remain the

quest of one man. I have some experience arranging

(professional society) conventions, and if we do this as a

group I can assure a fun and well-organized event.

Does anyone have any comments or advice? I assume this

will not be the first such event held outside the DOA . . . am I

wrong? Other marques have lots of events all over the

country, right?

And perhaps the most important question: Since we are no

longer "Chapters" of the DOA, do you think DeLorean World

will still publish articles about how much fun we have at

these local events?

- - Mike Substelny

------------------------------

Date: 7/28/97 9:05 AM

From: Don_Gowler-CFPO01@email.mot.com

Subject: Re: DML: Midwest Fall Convention Alternative?

MIKE WROTE - snips -------

>If Cincinatti is close enough for you, and if some of the

>Midwest Connection people will show up then that probably

>puts him over the top.

>And perhaps the most important question: Since we are no

>longer "Chapters" of the DOA, do you think DeLorean World

>will still publish articles about how much fun we have at

>these local events?

- - Mike Substelny

__________________________________________________________

Yes Mike, the DeLorean Midwest Connection has a few members

that would take you up on an event in the area. Keep in touch

with us.

In regards to the second comment/question I would hope that

they would seriously considering publishing all activities

DeLoreans are involved in. Been there, tried that - failed.

We know that the new club will and that's great.

Regards, The Silver Fox

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:56:46 -0400

From: Mike Griese <magriese@us.ibm.com>

Subject: DML: cracked dash questions

The dash pad is covered in vinyl and it can be recovered. You will

have to remove the dash pad, though. I have had excellent results

with a company called Just Dashes. They can vacuform vinyl around

almost anything. They are expensive, but they are perfect.

Michael A. Griese

Internet: magriese@vnet.ibm.com

voice: (507)253-1853

fax: (507)253-2432

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:01:16 -0400

From: Mike Griese <magriese@us.ibm.com>

Subject: DML: DMC toys - Hot Wheels

Hot Wheels did make a DeLorean-like car. It has

relatively correctly scribed doors. The front of the

car is a little different, with a hood bulge and what

looks to be single headlamps. The back half of the

car is very similar to a DeLorean with the louvers

removed, with the exception of the taillamps. Instead

of panels, they are replaced with arrows. The car is

painted red with white and yellow stripes from end to

end and a bunch of racing logos on the sides.

I suspect that Hot Wheels intended on doing a DeLorean

and did invest in tooling, but the subsequent drug rumors

probably made them want to disassociate themselve with

DMC.

Michael A. Griese

Internet: magriese@vnet.ibm.com

voice: (507)253-1853

fax: (507)253-2432

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:17:31 -0400 (EDT)

From: TREKFANNJ@aol.com

Subject: DML: tilt wheel?

Were any D's produced with the tilt wheel option? I know that some cars

in

the early 80's had the option available, but was not sure if D's were one

of

them. I know alot of people like to drive with the steering wheel down

close

to between the knees, but i perfer the wheel up high....any help you could

offer would be app.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:57:03 -0400

From: "Misha A. Weitzner"@world.std.com (weitzner@concentric.net)

Subject: DML: Delorean Movie

FYI,

There is a movie featuring a red Delorean (not Back to the

Future) throughout the whole movie as the main character's main mode of

transportation. I just happened to find out that this movie will be

airing next month on Cinemax and Cinemax 2. Anyone wanting to find out

more info about this movie and when it's going to be on, feel free to

reply privately.

Sincerely,

Misha

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:00:30 -0400

From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org>

Subject: DML: Yes, DeLoreans have tilt steering wheels

TREKFANNJ asked:

> Were any D's produced with the tilt wheel option?

> I know that some cars in the early 80's had the option

> available . . .

All DeLoreans were made with tilt / telescopic steering

wheels as standard equipment. Instead of tilting right at the

edge of the dashboard (as a lot of those early 80s cars had)

the DeLorean wheel tilts deep under the dashboard, with a

joint down closer to the brake pedal. Both tilt and telescope

features are locked in place by a single control on the

steering column near the driver's knees.

- - Mike Substelny

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 16:17:23 PDT

From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@kih.net>

Subject: DML: driver door.

Does anyone have a Driver Door they would like

to sell me ? I want one in really perfect condition.

If so, please respond to me via private e-mail..

- -Brandon

bsmoody@kih.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:40:51 -0400

From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@mitchellco.com>

Subject: DML: RE: DMC toys - Hot Wheels

Does anyone know if there is an image on the web anywhere of this Hot

Wheels car?

I have not seen it in any of their collectors books. I'm not saying it

doesn't exist, i could have easily missed it, or not obtained the right

book.

Shannon

>----------

>From: Mike Griese

>Reply To: dmcnews@world.std.com

>Sent: Monday, July 28, 1997 3:01 PM

>To: dmcnews@world.std.com

>Subject: DML: DMC toys - Hot Wheels

>

>Hot Wheels did make a DeLorean-like car. It has

>relatively correctly scribed doors. The front of the

>car is a little different, with a hood bulge and what

>looks to be single headlamps. The back half of the

>car is very similar to a DeLorean with the louvers

>removed, with the exception of the taillamps. Instead

>of panels, they are replaced with arrows. The car is

>painted red with white and yellow stripes from end to

>end and a bunch of racing logos on the sides.

>

>I suspect that Hot Wheels intended on doing a DeLorean

>and did invest in tooling, but the subsequent drug rumors

>probably made them want to disassociate themselve with

>DMC.

>

>Michael A. Griese

>Internet: magriese@vnet.ibm.com

>voice: (507)253-1853

>fax: (507)253-2432

>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 08:40:00 PDT

From: Knut S Grimsrud <Knut_S_Grimsrud@ccm.jf.intel.com>

Subject: DML: All British Field Meet reminder

For those in the Oregon and surrounding areas, please be aware that

the pre-registration deadline for this year's All British Field

Meet at Portland International Raceway is August 9. For event

information call the event message line at (503) 312-0559

Knut Grimsrud

DeLorean Club of Oregon

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:54:18 -0400 (EDT)

From: Starman <starman@cnj.digex.net>

Subject: DML: Freehold, NJ Cruise Night this Thursday

Hi all,

Anyone going to the Freehold Cruise Night this Thursday? Last

month we had three cars: myself, Marc Levy, and Doug Venner. If anyone's

interested in going, email me for directions (very simple).

Mike

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:15:06 +0000

From: James Nichols <jhnichols@earthlink.net>

Subject: DML: Bleeding the Coolant System

For those asking questions about bleeding the coolant system, the

following service bulletin spells out the procedure. I have never used

a hose connected to the bleed port since it is below the reservoir tank

and under positive pressure from the coolant above it, with the system

depressurized. The small hose at the top of the radiator on the

passenger side apparently bleeds the air from the radiator through the

return line without having to remove any hoses.

Jim #6884

SERVICE BULLETIN

NUMBER ST-O9- 1 0 / 8 2

Issued 10/18/82

CATEGORY: TECHNICAL

Because the De Lorean is equipped with an aluminum engine, it is

extremely important that the engine's cooling system be absolutely free

of any air. If the cooling system is opened for service or any other

reason or after a leak has been repaired THE SYSTEM MUST BE BLED.

Bleeding Procedure:

1) Fill the coolant reservoir tank with fresh 50/50 coolant

mixture.

NOTE: The coolant level must not fall below the

(MIN.) level indicated an the reservoir tank during the bleeding

procedure to avoid air from being drawn into the system.

2) Attach a suitable length of hose to the bleed screw

Located on the thermostat housing. Route this hose

clear of all belts and pulleys and place the other end

into a container holding coolant mixture. The hose

must remain in the coolant during the bleeding.

3) Start and run the engine until normal operating temperature is

reached.

Thermostat starts to open at 185=B0F

Thermostat full open at 212=B0F

4) While running the engine between 1500-2000 RPM, open

the bleed screw to allow the trapped air to escape.

Close the bleed screw. Because of the low pressures

and remote location of the radiator in this system,

this step must be repeated until all air pockets are

removed.

Continued . . .

Reimbursement

Due to the special attention required, we are increasing the time

Allowance for this procedure.

Oper. No Description New Time

Allowance

13101 Pressure & Leakage Test .7 hr

13102 Drain & Refill Cooling System .8 hr

(includes #13101)

13103 Remove & Replace Radiator 2.5 hr

(includes #13102)

13104 Remove & Replace Hose, Coolant

(includes #13102) =20

.9 hr

Please inform all personnel accordingly.

John J. Patro

Technical Publications Manager

JJP:slb

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:00:22 -0500 (CDT)

From: jameel a ahed <ahed@students.uiuc.edu>

Subject: DML: CHECK YOUR CARS!

Dear DML,

If you guys ever hear weird noises coming from your cars when you

accelerate or turn make sure to look at those trailing arm bolts!!!! Oh

and check if your tranny mounts are cracked. If they are cracking have

them welded and reinforced because after they crack completely they are

hard to fix. I just changed my tranny mounts and their rubber bushings

and I changed one trailing arm bolt. When I saw it I almost had a heart

attach... It was so loose I could spin the washers for the toe in

adjustment.. There was an inch of space! Well anyway.. Just because you

can't see problems doesn't mean they aren't there! My 2 cents.

Jameel

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:34:58 -0400

From: Ben Ruset <bruset@monmouth.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Freehold, NJ Cruise Night this Thursday

>Hi all,

> Anyone going to the Freehold Cruise Night this Thursday? Last

>month we had three cars: myself, Marc Levy, and Doug Venner. If anyone's

>interested in going, email me for directions (very simple).

Hi -

Sorry about the unsolicited email, but I'm suprised to see someone from my

general area on this list. I live in Long Branch. It is one of my goals in

the not so distant future to get a DeLorean. What is it like to own one?

I've only ever had a chance to look at one up close twice...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 22:44:28 PDT

From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@kih.net>

Subject: DML: Picure of a fuel flap hood

Has anyone ever saw a picture on the web

of a Car with the fuel filler flap on the hood ?

I have never seen a car with this feature and

was just curious to see what it looks like.

- -Brandon

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:16:03 -0500

From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye@creativeworlds.com>

Subject: DML: Pewter DMC

A previous posting about a pewter DeLorean model was almost right.

Collector's Case of Rumford, RI, did make a pewter DeLorean, but they

rudely said they are no longer dealing with car models. She didn't know

where to get any of the old models.

FYI here is there information:

Collector's Case

272 Ferris Ave.

Rumford, RI 02916-1039

(401) 438-2353

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:19:32 -0500

From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye@creativeworlds.com>

Subject: DML: Automatic Doors

Does anyone know anything about remote door openers for the DeLorean?

I've

never seen them in action, but I keep hearing cars for sale with that

feature. If anyone has any information about how to install them, it

would

be greatly appreciated.

- -Daniel McGauley

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 08:09:21 -0000

From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Pewter DMC

>A previous posting about a pewter DeLorean model was almost right.

>Collector's Case of Rumford, RI, did make a pewter DeLorean, but they

>rudely said they are no longer dealing with car models. She didn't know

>where to get any of the old models.

I got my pewter DeLorean from Hirsch Metals in Florida. They make a

different design in pewter each year to give as holiday gifts for

clients. The DeLorean was several years ago and the receptionist at the

time was kind enough to give me hers. I got the impression that it was

not a regualr production item of theirs - more info on Hirsch can be

found by searching the back issues.

James

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 08:30:00 -0000

From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Automatic Doors

>Does anyone know anything about remote door openers for the DeLorean?

>I've never seen them in action, but I keep hearing cars for sale with that

>feature. If anyone has any information about how to install them, it

>would be greatly appreciated.

Linda Porter (a DML'er and occasional poster) has automatic doors on her

DeLorean. I do not know the details regarding how hers is set up, but

Daryl Tinnerstet has kindly written a very thorough "how-to" article for

the next issue of the 'zine, complete with sources for parts, etc.

James

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:21:47 -0400

From: The Lees <lel14@oeonline.com>

Subject: DML: DMC Chronology

Just discovered your forum a few days ago.

Relative to your list of DMCs, I'm aware of a few vehicles which were at

one time in the US and are not on your list. Where the vehicles are

now, I don't have any idea. However, when I was the Design Engineer at

Legend Industries working on the Twin Turbo system, we had five DMC

vehciles for engineering development. In addition to 502 (which is on

your list) there were also 501, 528, 530, an 558.

Additionally, we used two mule vehicles which were Renault Alpines (nos.

45123 & 45124) with retrofitted DMC engines, wiring, and electronics

prior to the arrival of the DMCs.

Hope this helps.

Bob Lee

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 08:48:43 -0000

From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com>

Subject: DML: My hassle with the DOA

It seems that the recent postings about the DOA have struck a chord. Like

Dick, I've gotten a few "attaboys". I should say in all fairness that I

also got this:

>What is the hassle between you and DOA? Aren't we all in this thing together?

For the record, I have no quarrel with the DOA - I think it is a fine

concept. The reality, however, leaves a bit to be desired, IMO. I think

that I

have the right to believe this after having been a member on and off over

the last 12 years (#1035, #2580 and currently #4718). In addition to

having been "just a member", I served on the DOA board of directors for

18 months until a particular longtime member of the board made statements

at an offical board meeting that a certain member (and at that time,

chapter coordinator) was a "wuss" and that this person and other members

of the DOA that thought like this member did not know "shit from

shinola". In hindsight, I should've made a stand right then. The fact

that none of the 20-some other board members did not either made me

believe that this was the "norm" and caused me to re-think my affiliation

with the board.

I do not know how long you have been associated with the DOA, but there

were some similar serious accusations against this same board member that

caused the DOA to spend over a thousand dollars of the DOA treasury to

defend itself against. In a case of "might does not necessarily make

right", the accusing member was summarily booted from the organization.

In my opinion, the DOA has some archaic policies in the form of the

by-laws

that with the current makeup of the board, make it extremely difficult to

change. It's these same rules that make it very difficult to change the

makeup of the board as well. A "Catch-22", if you will.

As to your question about us being "all in this thing together", of

course we are. That is precisely why I offer everything (with the

exception of the posters and possibly, calendars) completely free to

anyone who is

interested. Why isn't the DOA making an owners directory? Why don't they

offer meaningful technical articles? I could go on, but I think you get

the idea.

I would love to discuss this with you (or anyone), if you like. Please

email me

with a good time to call you and your number and I will be more than

happy to phone you.

James Espey

Spoken not as the moderator, but as an owner/enthusiast

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:02:40 -0400

From: "Fedeli, Joe"@world.std.com (jfedeli@dpsc.dla.mil)

Subject: DML: DeLorean "small car display" on 8/2/97

Just a little note to anyone interested...on Saturday 8/2/97 from 10:00AM

to

4:00PM, the 1996 president of the Philadelphia DeLorean club will have a

display of at least 3 DeLoreans in Havertown, PA. All DeLorean owners are

welcome to display their cars as this is an "open house" for about 3/4 new

opened businesses that day. Any questions, please ask for Ron Finelli at

610-449-0500 or contact me by e-mail by tomorrow. Sorry for the short

notice. Lunch will be provided for all displayed DeLoreans!

Joe Fedeli

jfedeli@dpsc.dla.mil

------------------------------

End of dmcnews-digest V2 #264

*****************************

To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@world.std.com

with the message UNSUBSCRIBE DMCNEWS-DIGEST

Back issues are available at http://www.dmcnews.com/