Thursday, July 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 384
In this issue:
DML: BTTF pinball FS
DML: Battery Drain and Fuse Question
DML: Delorean For Sale
DML: DeLorean Owners Directory Updated
DML: Door Torsion Bar Adjustment
DML: Re: Battery drain and fuse question?
DML: stereo amps
DML: [admin] Web pages updated and more!
DML: Scuffed Stainless
Re: DML: stereo amps
Re: DML: Scuffed Stainless
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:47:12 -0400 From: Corey Stup <cstup(AT)pobox.com> Subject: DML: BTTF pinball FS
I have a very good condition Data East BTTF Pinball available for sale.
This machine is part of my personal collection, but I need the room.
Machine has been fully shopped, including rebuilt flippers, new rubbers, new lamps, fully cleaned and waxed.
Email if you'd like more information. I do not subscribe to the list so I will not know if you reply to the list - email me directly! Digital pictures are available. Game is located in Louisville, KY and shipping is available (via several methods)
Asking $950/obo.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:28:56 -0400 From: "Walter Jann" <jannw(AT)legendvalve.com> Subject: DML: Battery Drain and Fuse Question
Sean,
The clock does draw a relatively large amount of current (30+ mills), = especially when combined with a memory stereo it can exceed 60 mills (at = least on mine). I'm sure you're aware of the low output alternator = problem with the standard DMC-12 ducy alternator. This alone should not = wear down a battery in a few days, but if I recall, you have the classic = "cycling fan" A/C problem. Those fans draw a ton of current, especially = when they start ( almost double amperage ). It's possible that your = battery and charging system is battered ( pun intended ) by the constant = draw of the clock and the cycling fans ( every 5 seconds ) when you run = your AC. I suggest checking your alternator and battery. I ran my = DMC-12 with a digital multimeter in the lighter socket for several days = to learn first hand the torment the electrical system goes through. Now = when I drive in hot weather I check my "battery fuel" more often than my = gasoline. At least until a buy a bigger battery or put in a new = alternator.
Walter Jann
- ---------------------------------- Walter Jann Director of Operations Legend Valve 800.752.2082 jannw(AT)legendvalve.com - ----------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:26:39 -0400 From: Bob <benyon(AT)warwick.net> Subject: DML: Delorean For Sale
1981 Delorean available for sale.Vin 1409 22k miles, 5sp, black int, flap in hood. Just finished frame off restoration, more new parts than can be listed here. I have two and can only keep one so this one is available for less than I have invested in it. $14,900 OBO E-mail or call(973) 764-1745 Bob
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:28:21 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: DeLorean Owners Directory Updated
By now everyone who submitted information to the DeLorean Owners Directory before May 15, 1998 should have been notified of their login and password for the DOD Members Only Lounge.
There are still a few registrants who I have not been able to reach after repeated E-mails. If you registered but you haven't heard from me it is because your E-mail address field was blank, incomplete, or contained an error. If you want your login and password you can fill out the correction form at the DMC News Home Page or E-mail me at the following address:
directory(AT)dmcnews.com
If you submitted after May 15, I have your information in a queue while I work on contacting those last few people from the previous round. Please be patient. You should hear from me in a week or so.
Note that the DOD is not the same as the DML. Even if the DML has your E-mail address the DOD may not. To allow you to control your privacy, the DOD will only use information that registrants specifically submit for the Directory. If you leave the E-mail field blank it will remain blank until you tell me to change it.
Also note that I personally read every single DOD submission before adding your information into the Directory. Your comments are always welcome and appreciated, even though they are not included in the published file.
- - Mike Substelny
Keeper of the DeLorean Owners Directory
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:39:00 -0400 From: Aldo.Buono(AT)phila.gov Subject: DML: Door Torsion Bar Adjustment
Every year in the Spring, De Lorean Midatlantic holds its Annual
Door
Adjustment Social at which the members adjust the torsion bars on
those Ds that need it. First, we determine if the D needs it. THis
is easily and quickly done by replacing the door strut with a fresh
strut supplied by Rob Grady from P. J. Grady, Inc. Rob usually
comes
down from his Long Island shop to perform safety checks on the Ds.
If the door fails the door strut check, then a torsion bar
adjustment
is performed. We do it safely with three members and the proper jig.
We have not damaged a D or injured anyone in the ten or so years
that
we have been performing this service for members.
THe services described above are complimentary benefits to members
of
De Lorean Midatlantic.
Your membership support is welcomed. For membership information,
refer to previous postings on the DML. Search using keyword,
"Midatlantic".
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
VIN 1440
DMC #14
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 03:07:27 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Battery drain and fuse question?
Sean, Yes, it is normal for the radio to lose power when the power window fuse is pulled, they are both fed by fuse # 11. The digital clock and radio display are designed to provide a dimmer illumination at night to match the instrument lights, when the headlights are switched off the clock and radio display brightness to compensate for brighter daylight. When you remove fuse # 11 you disconnect power from the main lighting switch thereby causing the clock & radio lights to dim. Joe/DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: Sean Mullally <mullally(AT)pilot.msu.edu> > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: DML: Battery drain and fuse question? > Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 1:56 PM > (SNIP) > > Something else puzzling I ran across while doing this is that my radio > seems to > be connected to the power window fuse. Is this normal? Also, when I > pulled the > "Lighter/Clock" fuse, the radio display dimmed but continued to function.
> If anyone has any insight on this I'd sure appreciate it. > > > -Sean Mullally > vin# 3868
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:14:17 -0400 From: John Murray <jwmurray(AT)gate.net> Subject: DML: stereo amps
Will stereo amplifiers fit under my DeLoreans seats? Now that the car is running and driving great, I need some tunes. Ive already replaced the front speakers with Infinity Kappa 3 1/2 inch. The rear deck will serve as a speaker wall(idea pirated from AmpZilla) with seperate tweeters and 6 1/2 inch round mid-bass speakers. They will need one 2 channel amp. The storage space behind driver seat is perfect for that sub-woofer (8 inch) which will need another amp. Has anyone else done this? What kind of stereo systems have you had success with? Any comments?
John Murray VIN#2390 FL Lic. 81DMC12
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 98 00:56:00 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: [admin] Web pages updated and more!
Thanks to our new Back Issue Guy, Greg Guillot, the back issues are updated and current through June, 1998. A big thanks to Greg for so selflessly giving of his time to benefit all of us!
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Additional thanks go out to Dave Price for taking the reins on the DMC-News Classifieds board and whipping them into shape. There have been some format changes and I think they look great! Be sure to check it out!
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With over 1800 combined downloads of 'zines 1 & 2, there's no doubt people enjoy an alternative source for DeLorean news and information. Travis Graham has been working hard with me on the next issue of the 'zine, which we are confident will be out late this summer. Look for a new design and larger size as well as even more DeLorean content!
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My good friend Mike Substelny has been hard at work on the DeLorean Owners Directory and as he mentioned last week, the latest edition with over 430 entries is available in the DMC-News lounge. You must be registered and in the Directory to enter the Lounge, so if you haven't signed up yet, what are you waiting for?
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It may be summer now, but the holidays will be here before you know it, and I am quite pleased to offer the DeLorean community a great new DeLorean Christmas card. Professionally designed and printed, this is available from DMC-News for just $20 for 20 cards and envelopes. See it for yourself at:
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More to come!
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:31:44 +0100 From: "Robert Aitchison" <rai(AT)globalnet.co.uk> Subject: DML: Scuffed Stainless
I have recently purchased a Delorean (at auction - couldn't resist). The car has two minor "scuffs" on the stainless steel on one of the wings. They don't seem too deep but they are noticeable. Should I try to polish them out with Scotchbrite or am I on to a loser?
Are there any metalwork companies in the UK that any British owners would recommend?
Any suggestions gratefuly received.
Thanks in advance
Bob Aitchison rai(AT)globalnet.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:43:46 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: stereo amps
I have been putting some thought in to how to set up a nice stereo in the DMC.
It does not look like there is enough space under the seats for anything. AMPzilla is the best setup I have seen to preserve as much storage as possible, but it is expensive. I don't know how good it sounds because I still have not heard it! Did anyone get a chance to crank it in Cincinnati?
If you do mount speakers in the storage space, you should make that enclosure air tight. The stock 4X6 speakers are in the same air space, and if you leave this unsealed, you will loose your low end response.
I have designed many car stereo systems, and I can say that it would be a lot of work to optimize this setup. The materials (metal and fiberglass) are not very good for speaker enclosures. In addition, the odd shape makes it hard to seal, and near impossible to control the air volume.
Most 6.5 inch "Mid-Woofers" usually work best in .5ft^3 of air space. (YMMV based on the speaker itself, this is a general rule) But even with that, you are not going to get much sound below 150Hz. A 8 inch woofer in the storage compartment would help, but that space is also very small, and would require modification to properly seal.
The DeLorean is just lacking the space needed to put a real killer stereo system in. The way I see it, you have 3 choices:
1. Work with the stock locations, or make slight modifications to improve the sound without going nuts. Kayo is a good example of this. He built small enclosures that fit in to the kick panels in the front. The system sounds great, but it is not a real "thumper". It wont bounce any quarters off the roof! IMHO, he did a great job... I really like his shifter too!
2. Spend the cash, and get the AMPZilla from PJ Grady. This will give a big improvement with minimal space loss. As I said, I still have not heard this system crank, but it does look cool! Based on the theory of design, I also doubt this system will bounce quarters off of the roof.
3. Loose all of your storage space (and buy a luggage rack!). Curtis Bryant's highly modified red car in Cincinnati did this. Curtis built a box that took up the entire storage area. A local shop here in New Jersey (Interstate Electronics) used to have a DMC show car (for car audio shows) and they had a band pass sub woofer box in the back that went to the ceiling, and covered the back window! This is a little overkill, the setup Curtis has is adequate. I also did not get a chance to hear that system, but the concept has the potential to bounce quarters off your roof!
For the system I have been slowly working on, I will be building a box a bit smaller than what Curtis has. His box was a little big, and restricted how far the seats could go back, and may make it painful to get to the relay service area. I plan on using the Kicker "Solobaric" speakers which claim to have a design that requires much less air space than standard woofers (they are expensive!). If you are old fashioned, you can use 4 drivers to create a Isobaric system, but this will be heavy and requires a lot of power.... Power = big amplifiers = more space and electricity.
If you do choose to use the locked storage space behind the driver seat for a small woofer (I don't like this idea), check out the Solobaric. You will probably get better response in the smaller space, but these speakers are critical. You need to keep the interior air volume within the factory specification, and make sure the box is sealed tight!
Let us know what you do, and how it works out!
Marc
John Murray wrote: > > Will stereo amplifiers fit under my DeLoreans seats? Now that the > car is running and driving great, I need some tunes. Ive already > replaced the front speakers with Infinity Kappa 3 1/2 inch. The rear > deck will serve as a speaker wall(idea pirated from AmpZilla) with > seperate tweeters and 6 1/2 inch round mid-bass speakers. They will > need one 2 channel amp. The storage space behind driver seat is perfect > for that sub-woofer (8 inch) which will need another amp. Has anyone > else done this? What kind of stereo systems have you had success with? > Any comments? > > John Murray > VIN#2390 > FL Lic. 81DMC12
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:24:15 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Scuffed Stainless
If they are not that deep, Scotchbrite pads should do the trick. If not, you will need to find someone with the special tool to regrain the SS.
Robert Aitchison wrote: > > I have recently purchased a Delorean (at auction - couldn't resist). The > car > has two minor "scuffs" on the stainless steel on one of the wings. They > don't seem too deep but they are noticeable. Should I try to polish them > out > with Scotchbrite or am I on to a loser? >
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