Monday, 24 June 1996 Volume 02 : Number 132
In this issue:
Re: Exhaust Gasket Blown...Help !
Re: Exhaust Gasket Blown...Help !
blown exhaust gaskets
DeLorean One's increase in shipping charges...?!?!
Crud in the engine compartment light switch...
100 years of automobiles in america
DMC in the News
New owner (13K miles) needs a clutch ? ? ?
want to buy
Re: The first DeLorean?
Delorean Models
Dec 81 build
DeLorean models order.
My DeLorean #577 was "destroyed"???
My Mistake *!?@%&!?*!
Re: New owner (13K miles) needs a clutch ? ? ?
Re: '81 productions numbers
Re: Stainless ugly pits
Re: Embarrassment
Leaking Oil & Smoke/Steam
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From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Exhaust Gasket Blown...Help !
Chris,
To change this I'll need to get my hands on a set of driver's side exhaust
manifold gaskets, and a manual to give me the correct torque specs and
tightening sequence.
I went to NAPA and they had NO reference for Delorean exhausts. What
cross
references this engine and manifold makeup, and where can I purchase
Delorean
gaskets?
Addendum;
My manual says that the correct torque is 7-11 lb. ft. Nuts are 11mm
hex. It doesn't specify any particular order. There is a tongue on
each gasket and it should point down. I don't think I'd try slotting
the gaskets.
My experience with gaskets is to put them on and torque them. Start
the engine and let it warm up, no load and not hot, just warm. Turn
it off and let it sit for a few minutes, then re-torque.
Again, it's a Volvo B28F.
Good luck,
Chris, C1 ;-)
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From: Chase Clark, stormrider@socketis.net
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:31:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Exhaust Gasket Blown...Help !
I also would recommend against trying to replace the manifold gasket
without completely removing the manifold. When I had a garage in Oregon
replace the clutch on my early '81 DeLorean, they noticed the exhaust
manifolds were leaking a little and I went ahead and had the gaskets
replaced at the same time. It wasn't cheap - $400-$500 if memory serves me
right - but their labor rate was way higher than I normally pay here in
Missouri.
Anyway, they removed the manifolds and had them resurfaced. They also had
several of the studs break and had to replace them. Evidently, this is
very
common with the 11mm studs!! I was thinking the original gaskets were
three
individual gaskets per side, but every mechanic I've talked to recommends
replacing them with a one-piece gasket that covers all three openings.
This is the way I'd go without a doubt. Doing anything the cheap and easy
way on a British car is just asking for trouble in the long run. Doing it
right the first time, may cost a lot more in the short run, but it's a lot
better than having to redo it a few months later.
~ Chase
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From: my88mph@interlynx.net
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:39:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: blown exhaust gaskets
I am also in the process of changing my manifold gaskets. The
ticking
noise got to me. After stripping the muffler, pipes, alternator and
finally the
exhaust manifolds, I could see why I had this problem. The gasket
surface on
both manifolds was pitted and warped. ( on one cylinder there was only
about
3/16" or less smooth surface. I had both manifolds ground flat and
almost
(except for a couple of pits) smooth. Only a couple studs broke but they
all
came out reasonably well. The fiber heat shields were a real pain
getting at
the nuts. Do to these problems, I would not recommend splitting the
gaskets and
sliding them in. Please take this advice and do a proper job only once.
If I
can be of help feel free to write me. Is this a common problem?
Dennis
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From: Solitary Man, awolf@pacific.telebyte.net
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:30:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DeLorean One's increase in shipping charges...?!?!
Correct me if I'm wrong, as I only have a 93 catalog from
D1 I believe, but it occurs to me and all who've seen it that their
shipping charges are pretty outrageous to begin with. How much higher
can you get those prices??? Who does D1 ship with anyway?! Is it
fully insured same day shipping????
Wolfie!!
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From: Solitary Man, awolf@pacific.telebyte.net
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:30:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Crud in the engine compartment light switch...
Well I'll be!...
When I went last to my mechanic, he mentioned that he had bumped the
light switch in the engine compartment and blew a fuse, replaced it and
blew
another one. So he left it out. Since then, my door light has been on,
dispite
both door switches working fine. Why I didn't put this all together
earlier
really blows my mind...
At any rate, thank you, very very much Mike Substelny! I'll get right
on it, since it's a nice bright sunny day here in Poulsbo Washington.
Be seeing you..........
Wolfie
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From: Solitary Man, awolf@pacific.telebyte.net
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:30:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 100 years of automobiles in america
Was roaming through Barnes and Noble the other day looking for any
mention of J.C.Whittney catalogs in the auto mags, and came across a mag
called
100 Years of Automobiles in America...Of course, I flipped through this,
there's
no way it could have left mention of the Delorean. Low and behold, about
halfway through the mag, there it was. Two shots with a small little
blurb
about DeLorean, the earopean government, missing money in JZD's books and
mention of the delorean's "deliberate and quirky handling" with some
notes as to
the engine and suspension
Well....Nice pictures anyway...hehehe
WOLFIE!
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From: Bdofprey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:40:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DMC in the News
MT puts out a magazine called, 100 YEARS OF THE AUTOMOBILE IN AMERICA.
Pages
104-105 are on the Delorean with two nice pictures.
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From: Blarness@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New owner (13K miles) needs a clutch ? ? ?
Wow. You need a clutch and catalyst at only 13,000 miles?
Do you have the original tires on it?
I'm very curious because I'm beginning to realize Deloreans are one of the
hardest cars to authentify actual mileage on.
I think many Delorean owners have been tricked into believing our mileage
is
authentic. It's pretty easy because most of these cars had been well
cared
for Although it IS hard to believe a Delorean in as nice of condition as
many
of our cars are have over a hundred-thousand miles on them. I doubted my
20k
mileage when I bought it because it had little quirky things wrong with it
like the AC didn't work the heater swithch hissed the etc.
I have now, thankfully, found out that many of these problems are "very"
common. Even for the low mileage cars. But a clutch?
Keep us informed on its progress.
- -C2
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From: ShrtCrt@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:48:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: want to buy
I am looking for s Delorean for aorund 7,000. I want a five speed, got to
have a stick. If anyone knows of one around that price, let me know. I
could
go up tp 10,000 maybe. What is the latest on the models. I love this list.
Thanks James. Also what are the dates for the convention. Justin Holman
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From: Marvin S.Sterling, marv930@ix.netcom.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:48:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: The first DeLorean?
SCiszek@aol.com wrote:
> I've done a little research into this topic and although I have no
> definitive answer as to which was the first sold (only my opinion) here is
> what I have come up with..
>
> Cars VIN# 1-500 were early production cars used in crash tests at
> Belfast not meant for sale, only for evalutaion and some for display since
> the doors fit very poorly. This was because the doors were tooled on
> substandard machinery as the correct equipment had not yet been shipped to
> the factory from the United States. Heres some other interesting info:
> VIN#500 was produced on January 21, 1981 and the last DeLorean ever
> produced
> was VIN# 20104 built on December 24,1982.
>
> Cars VIN# 520-648 were used as test vechicles by the DOT and EPA and
> subsequently dissasembeled or destroyed after their test runs. What
> happened
> to the undocumented numbers 501-519?
>
> This leaves car VIN# 649 to be the first car to be produced for sale
> in
> the 1981 model year. The information leads me to believe that while
> VIN#500
> might have been sold, it could also have been just a showroom car with the
> sticker on it to inform potential buyers yet not meant for sale. Thus
> VIN#649
> in my opinion would be the first DeLorean produced for sale.
>
> - Scott Ciszek
Scott - a question. I own vin #16000, it was my understanding that only
about 600 '83's were produced, your figures put the number at about
6,000 ... since mine was the first one sold/ produced after Consolidated
purchased the remaining inventory the inference is that Consolidated
finished the production of 6,000 D's ?????????
Regards,
Marv Sterling
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From: WINGD2@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Delorean Models
To: Rob Hook,
A couple of months ago you were working on a deal to produce some
Delorean model body kits for the BTTF models with Andy Anderson in
Indiana.
How about an update on your progress with this venture. I haven't heard
anything since your last posting. Did you get enough interest to make it
worthwhile ?
Marty
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From: WINGD2@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Dec 81 build
James,
I've got an 82 Delorean, #10675, with a Dec 81 build tag. Let me know
if
you ever figure out a total count. Was this part of the time frame when
they
had the factory production rates jacked up ?
Marty
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From: Rob Hook, mail06754@pop.net
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:53:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DeLorean models order.
Ok. Here's an update on the current orders I have for the DeLorean
models. I have orders from the following people: (Initials used for
privacy)
Initials Qty.
J? 1 (Only e-mail address right now)
MM 3
DK 1
DB 2
JE 1
ME 3 (Me)
RH 1
FE 1
KK 1
OV 1
RW 2
That makes 17 orders. We really need twenty. Is anyone else interested?
I plan to order the rest myself but a couple new orders in the past few
days hint that the may not be necessary. Besides, that'd be 6 models for
me to the tune of about $240.00. I'd rather put that towards the
purchase of a real DeLorean. I'm not going to wait any longer than
Tuesday to place the order though. Anyone else interested??
- --Rob Hook
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From: Scott Sykes, ssykes@cygnus.rsabbs.com
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 00:00:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: My DeLorean #577 was "destroyed"???
As the owner of VIN# 000577 I took note of Scott Ciszek's post which said
among other things...
> Cars VIN# 520-648 were used as test vechicles by the DOT and EPA and
>subsequently dissasembeled or destroyed after their test runs. What
>happened to the undocumented numbers 501-519?
Perhaps this explains the sticker on my windshield which says "DeLorean
Training Car".
I purchased the car during the DMC bankruptcy liquidation from Chestnut
Fleet Leasing out of Delaware. I picked up the car in New Jersey near my
home. The car had about 500 miles on it. The story was that Chestnut Fleet
had purchased the cars (they had about 16 or so for sale) and then leased
them back to DMC.
Does anyone else have a "destroyed" DeLorean?
Scott Sykes
ssykes@cygnus.rsabbs.com
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From: Chase Clark, stormrider@socketis.net
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:41:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: My Mistake *!?@%&!?*!
OK, I may have made a boo-boo before. According to the parts manual the
oil
pressure switch is located on the left side of the engine, not on the
right
side next to the oil filter as I stupidly thought until a few minutes ago.
~ Chase (feeling dumb as a doorstop at the moment)
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From: Marvin S.Sterling, marv930@ix.netcom.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:41:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New owner (13K miles) needs a clutch ? ? ?
At 07:40 PM 6/22/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Wow. You need a clutch and catalyst at only 13,000 miles?
>
>Do you have the original tires on it?
>
>I'm very curious because I'm beginning to realize Deloreans are one of the
>hardest cars to authentify actual mileage on.
>
>its progress.
>
>-C2
>
Not at all impossible - my first clutch "went" at about 10,000 miles and
the
second at about 25,000 and I do not "ride" the clutch and it is adjusted
right. Rob Grady fixed my hissing at about 10K miles so you really can't
tell what the actual mileage is by what has happened to the car ( by the
way
I bought mine "new" back in February of '84.
regards,
Marv S
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From: Chase Clark, stormrider@socketis.net
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:41:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: '81 productions numbers
>Scott - a question. I own vin #16000, it was my understanding that only
>about 600 '83's were produced, your figures put the number at about
>6,000 ...
Marv:
There were a few DeLoreans produced by Consolidated Industries for the
Canadian market and they used the 20xxx VIN numbers, while the final U.S
cars used the 16xxx VIN numbers.
~Chase
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From: deneb@denebcorp.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:41:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Stainless ugly pits
Mike Substelny wrote:
>STAINLESS MAINTENANCE EXPERIMENT:
>SInce I live in the rust belt, I am constantly surrounded by
>engineers and technicians who know a lot about steel. I
>have been stopped numerous times at gas stations and such
>by these guys who see my car and give me an impromptu
>lecture on how great stainless is. I have been told:
>
> "Go ahead and drive the car in the winter, just be careful.
> It won't rust any more in the winter than in the summer,
> but unless you wash off the salt every day the stainless
> steel will get ugly little pits in it."
The frame on my DeLorean is 304 Stainless and has not suffered from any
ugly pitts, even after two Chicago winters and irregular washing. The
only difference that would concern me it that the Stainless on the frame
is not brushed as on the body panels.
Bryan Pearce
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From: deneb@denebcorp.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:41:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Embarrassment
Marv writes:
>Chase, Clark@facteur.std.com, stormrider@socketis.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> BTW, occasional embarrassment is common when driving a British sports car.
>> Get used to it. No matter how methodical you be at maintainign the car,
>> something will periodically break down unexpectedly at all the wrong times.
>
>AMEN ! You haven't lived until you are crossing a bridge in NYC and
>suddenly see a cloud of steam behind you along with a rapidly climbing
>engine temperature ... embarassed doesn't even come close especially when
>a bystander make a derisive comment about JZD.
>Regards,
>Marv Sterling
Driving on 294S in Chicago with my new wife of 24 hours leaving for the
East coast on our honeymoon and suddenly seeing a cloud of steam behind
us along with a climbing
engine temperature. We listened to the audio recording of our wedding
ceremony while we waited for the tow truck.
But I love my DeLorean....
Bryan Pearce
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From: Chase Clark, stormrider@socketis.net
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:41:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Leaking Oil & Smoke/Steam
OK everyone, I know that the PRV V6 engine in general is notorious for
having any number of small oil leaks. But...
After driving about 15 miles to work on the highway in 90+ degree weather
today I decided to check out my engine compartment for no particular
reason. I noticed a faint hint of periodic smoke or steam coming from the
rear of the engine on the lower left side. I looked beneath the car and
noticed there is a fair amount of oil on that area of the engine (opposite
side of the engine from the oil pressure switch). I haven't been burning
any real appreciable amount of oil to date, but I am wondering if this is
a
common problem or if I should be worried?
I'm in no mood to go through another blown head gasket as I am still
dealing with repairing my other car after it blow a head gasket four
months
ago.
BTW, I had the new radiator installed this past week. Now I get to spend
several days redoing all the mechanic's work as I am very unpleased with
the quality of the results. It would take too long to explain, but they
managed to piss me off by not doing precisely what I wanted in the way I
wanted it done. This place used to be the one dependable mechanic I knew
in
town, but after putting Gomer Pyle wannabe to work on my car, I have
decided not to trust them with it ever again. I can now sympathize with
all
of you that have gone through the same thing with your DeLoreans.
~ Chase
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