DeLorean Mailing List - 6/2/97
dmcnews-digest Monday, June 2 1997 Volume 02 : Number 247
In this issue:
DML: D1 Homepage/value
DML: Starting problems, idle problems
DML: Texture
DML: Former Chapter 41 coordinator's message
DML: DeLorean Club of Oregon event notice
Re: DML: Former Chapter 41 coordinator's message
DML: Harrison Car Show 5/31/97
DML: Car Guigario plates
Re: DML: Car Guigario plates
DML: Removing paint?
DML: Water pump pulley.
DML: Need DeLorean for photo shoot
DML: Re: Youngest member of DOA
DML: Re: New DMCs
DML: Distributor reangling???
DML: DeLorean Wheels
Re: DML: Distributor reangling???
Re: DML: Water pump pulley.
DML: Dome light
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:20:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: D1 Homepage/value
I've seen Ed's new homepage and it discourages me to know that out of all
the
honorable and friendly shops out there, Ed Bernstein is the first to have a
web page.
Although the topic of value has come up often, I would like to address it
again. I think there are two big reasons the car isn't worth what it should
be worth. First, the car just isn't known. There is a total lack of PR for
the car since not many exist and even fewer are driven. Once people see the
car and are informed about what it is, there is a definate attraction to it.
Some people know the car exists, but have just forgotten about it. The second
reason the car's value is too low is that people don't think they can
get parts or service for a car that has a reputation as a unreliable automobile.
As a hypothetical situation, let's say some guy is introduced to
the Delorean, loves it, and thinks it's a great deal. Two things either happen.
One, he drops the idea of buying one because he thinks they are
unserviceable, or two, he researches and discovers the most widely advertised
parts/service facility is Delorean One. He gives them a call, is harassed,
berated, and lectured on why he doesn't have a complete VIN or why the
owner
wasn't buying his parts from D1, finally gets a parts catalog through
unconventional methods, and, using D1's prices as industry standard, comes
to
the conclusion that Delorean parts are too expensive and thus the car is
unaffordable (i.e. $210 relay upgrade kit).
If only people knew about DMCNEWS, DMCNEWS homepage, and
parts/service facilities such as P.J. Grady, DMC Houston, and DMC L.A. before
Ed Bernstein,
the car's resale price might be more reflactive of its value.
Matt Peak
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:50:23 -0400
From: Mike Griese
Subject: DML: Starting problems, idle problems
Your idle problem may be due to a binding in the throttle spool. The spool is
located on the right side of the engine just below the right intake runner. It
looks like an open cylinder with a cable and a spring wrapped around it (if
you have the cold weather upgrade, it is below an aluminum cover bolted to
the intake runner). The cable is the throttle cable. On the left side of the
cylinder there is a small switch. This switch indicates a closed throttle. It is
activated by a small set screw attached to the cylinder. If the cylinder rotates
clockwise to its limit, the screw should just acitvate the switch.
Make sure the cylinder rotates freely and always returns to the same position.
You may have to lubricate the assembly, or the throttle cable itself may be the
source of the bind. If this is the case, you should replace the cable. Once you
have a smoothly rotating cylinder, you can adjust the screw to activate the
switch and set your low idle.
Your starting problem sounds electrical, possibly your ignition switch. The no
start/start then stop symptom could indicate that the contacts are worn.
Michael A. Griese
Internet: magriese@vnet.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2432
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 06:53:15 +0000
From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: DML: Texture
Hi group,
I found something useful at deloreanone.com (gasp).
A while back several people asked about re-texturing parts of their cars and I
wrote:
If you have places on your car that need to be re-textured to match you need
this tool. It's a SAND-O-FLEX model 350R. I have no idea what it costs or
where I got it since I've had it for about 15 years. I do know it works well for
small areas.
Now to the useful part. Go to the page and click on "Body Work". That is a
picture of the SAND-O-FLEX. Not the drill, just the thing on the end of the
drill. I did find that I got mine at the lumber yard across the street and they
don't carry them any more, but they are still available.
See, Ed does have a use.
Chris
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Date: Fri, 30 May 97 08:05:00 PDT
From: Knut S Grimsrud Subject:
DML: Former Chapter 41 coordinator's message
The DeLorean Owners Association Board of Directors has dissolved Chapter
41 (and all other regional DOA chapters). Although this decision was
supposedly made a couple months ago, this is only recently being made public
(see the notice on the DOA web site). I consider it rather bad form to post
information about the demise of the local chapters without having notified
any of the chapters in question first, although such examples of poor
communication by the board with its chapters is the norm. In fact, I sent a
message to this effect to the DOA earlier this week and received the typical
response - -- none at all.
Chapter 41 received no funds from the national organization (even though
the bylaws clearly state that local chapters are to receive a portion of the initial
membership fees for new members signed up by the local chapter) and
supported its operations through unsolicited donations and the volunteer
efforts of many of its regional members. Even so, in compliance with the
bylaws of DeLorean Owners Association, the former Chapter 41 will forward
remaining assets to the national organization.
In the interest of DeLorean enthusiasts in and around the Oregon area, the
elected board of former Chapter 41 has volunteered to establish the
"DeLorean Club of Oregon." As per the apparent wishes of the DeLorean
Owners Association, the DeLorean Club of Oregon has no affiliation with the
DOA, although individual members may maintain whatever affiliations they
wish. Although the current regional board has already been nominated and
elected by the regional members, a new election of officers will be held at the
next convenient opportunity.
On a personal note, I do not believe that recent actions by the DOA board
represent my interests and am starting to question whether the value I
receive from my DOA affiliation exceeds the costs of membership. Should
this still be the case when my current membership expires, I do not feel it
prudent to renew my ties with the DeLorean Owners Association.
Knut Grimsrud
Former Chapter 41 Coordinator
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Date: Fri, 30 May 97 08:12:00 PDT
From: Knut S Grimsrud Subject:
DML: DeLorean Club of Oregon event notice
DeLorean Club of Oregon will be participating in the McMinnville Lion's
Club Breakfast, Car, and Airplane show. Lou Kinnaman, Chairman of the
Lion's Club, forwarded the following details on the event.
We would love to have DeLoreans in our show. On June 22 1997 at the
McMinnville Oregon Airport starting at 7:00 am, the McMinnville Lions Club
will be serving breakfast. You do not have to purchase a breakfast to be
eligible for the Peoples Choice Award or the Long Distance Driver or Oldest
Car Awards. You do have to purchase a breakfast and show a car to get one of
the 150 dash plaques to be given out and be eligible for door prizes. The
Peoples Choice ballot box will be open from 8:00 am until 11:30 am, with the
winners announced at about noon. You register when you arrive. There will
be signs directing the show cars to register and park. The Bouncing Baby
Boomer Band will play, weather permitting, starting at 11:00 am. The
breakfast is all you can eat, pancakes, eggs, ham, coffee, juice, and milk at $4.00
each for adults, and $3.00 each for kids under 10. Also with each breakfast
purchased is one Peoples Choice ballot, so one breakfast equals one vote.
There will also be other activities, such as the Yamhill County Chapter of The
Oregon Pilots Asso. will be having an airplane wash. The FAA Flight Service
Center will be giving tours. Plus there should be lots of old airplanes there
and more.
If you have any more questions, let me know.
I hope to see some of you there.
Knut Grimsrud
DeLorean Club of Oregon
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:34:27 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines" Subject: Re: DML:
Former Chapter 41 coordinator's message
[Terrible things about Chapter 41 deleted]
>On a personal note, I do not believe that recent actions by the DOA board
represent my interests and am starting to question whether the value I
receive from my DOA affiliation exceeds the costs of membership. Should
this still be the case when my current membership expires, I do not feel it
prudent to renew my ties with the DeLorean Owners Association.
>Knut Grimsrud
>Former Chapter 41 Coordinator
You're figuring this out now? :)
My membership ran out in April and I haven't renewed. Two weekends ago
this girl was getting married and asked people to pin strange things on her for
good luck. That's where my old DOA membership card went.
I too feel that only getting 4 issues of DW a year doesn't cover what I get for
$60 a year. I'm still debating joining the new International group because I
don't want to just toss $45 buck into the wind like I did with the DOA.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:41:09 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines" Subject: DML:
Harrison Car Show 5/31/97
Hi all,
Tomorrow, the town of Harrison in NJ is having their annual party. Now
that my car is running (!) I've entered it into the show. Even though we lived
in Harrison for many years before moving, I've never seen the car show itself
so I don't know what to expect. I should be there around 10am. Hopefully it
won't rain!
Mike
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:47:04 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines" Subject: DML: Car
Guigario plates
Hi all,
At the last MidAtlantic meeting, someone had these small 2"x5" stainless
plates stating that the DMC was designed by Guigario, etc. Has anyone seen
these before? I'd love to get a set for my car.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:52:20 -0700
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Car Guigario plates
Mike
Yes, I've seen them. At one point in time I believe that Don Steger at the
DeLorean Motor Center had some. Good Luck!
Dick Ryan
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:24:30 -0400
From: Sean Mullally Subject: DML: Removing
paint?
Hello all,
I am currently looking at purchasing my first 'D' and have seen a couple
advertised for sale that have been painted. Personally I think this detracts alot
from the appearance car. What I would like to know is has anyone tried to
remove the paint from a painted DeLorean? Can it be removed by an abrasive
or solvent without damaging the body panels? I doubt I would be nearly as
interested in buying a painted 'D' if I just have to live with the paint.
- -Sean Mullally
mullally@pilot.msu.edu
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:08:33 -0400
From: Rob Hook
Subject: DML: Water pump pulley.
I got side-tracked and still haven't gotten my DeLorean back together.
I've now got some time to spend on it and I've run into a little puzzle. I
removed the old water pump and purchased a new one from a local parts
store. The new pump does not come with a pulley and the old pulley is
pressed onto the old pump. This is usually not a problem; you just run down
to the machine shop and have them press the old pulley off. I've taken the
water pump to two different machine shops and both said they were
sure they'd bend the pulley before getting it off. How can you pull the pulley
off? I may have found a way but I'd be interested in hearing what others have
done.
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 08:29:11 -0400
From: Ray Foster
Subject: DML: Need DeLorean for photo shoot
R.T. Blass Advertising needs a DeLorean for a photo shoot in Albany, NY,
June 4. This shoot is in conjunction with a "Back to the Future" event the
agency is creating for a client. Please note that the machine can be in standard
- not BTTF - configuration. Fee available.
If you have a car that would be suitable, or know someone who does, please
contact me ASAP.
Many thanks.
Ray Foster
Home e-mail: ttc12609@taconic.net
Home phone: (518) 392-7681
Office e-mail: rfoster@rtblass.usa.com
Office phone: (518) 766-2222
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:05:31 -0700
From: zerkle
Subject: DML: Re: Youngest member of DOA
Fellow DMCers,
I read this in the last Issue of the DML:
>Joseph Murray gave the youngest member of the DeLorean Owners
Association a DeLorean Christmas card that Joseph won in the raffle. The
young man was so overcome with joy that he was speechless. Later that
evening I had the chance to speak with Joseph and Eileen Murray. Joseph told
me that the young man would enjoy having the DeLorean Christmas card
much longer than he would. Eileen Murray told me that Joseph has always
been a very generous and compassionate man. I visited with Joseph and
Eileen Murray until the wee hours of Sunday morning and I hope that I will
have the opportunity to visit with them again.
Just one question, how old is the youngest member of the DOA? That's all,
thanks and keep driving!
Geren Piltz
Soon to be an owner...
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:51:58 -0400
From: Mike Substelny Subject: DML: Re: New
DMCs
Supratik asked:
>Does anybody here in the DML know if there are any BRAND NEW DMCs'
still around?
Lee answered:
>What do you mean Brand new? no miles of never privately owned?
I have two comments:
1) I have heard (from several sources including John Truscott) of a legend
that Mark DeLorean (JZD's nephew) has two factory fresh DeLoreans stashed
away in a secret basement at his Cadillac dealership here in Cleveland. I have
no idea if this is true, but it is fun to ponder.
2) At the 1996 Kapac tour Jerry Rine showed us a *truely* new DeLorean that
was under construction. It was being made from NOS DeLorean parts left
over from the factory closing. Now that Stephen Wynn has the Kapac
inventory, I suppose he could complete the car if he wants to. Then he would
literally have a brand new 1997 DeLorean.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: Distributor reangling???
Can somebody who has the Turbo Manifold Co.'s twin turbo system please
explain why the distributor has to be reangled in order for the system to work
properly? I was reading the installation instructions of the system and
it warned that trying to operate the twin turbos without having the
distributor angle modified would result in engine destruction. Why? What
does the distributor have to do with two turbochargers?
Matt Peak
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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Tester
Subject: DML: DeLorean Wheels
Does anyone have a spare set of good condition DeLorean Rims sitting
around?
If so how much would you want for them? Thanks!
Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 07:36:51 +0000
From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: Re: DML: Distributor reangling???
(Snip)
>I was reading the installation instructions of the system
iit warned that trying to operate the twin turbos without having the
distributor angle modified would result in engine destruction. Why? What
does the distributor have to do with two turbochargers?
As the boost builds the spark has to be retarded or severe pre-ignition occurs.
That's my understanding anyway.
Chris
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 15:35:04 -0400
From: sundiver@hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu (J) Subject: Re: DML: Water pump
pulley.
Rob Hook writes:
>I got side-tracked and still haven't gotten my DeLorean back together.
II've now got some time to spend on it and I've run into a little puzzle. I
removed the old water pump and purchased a new one from a local parts
store. The new pump does not come with a pulley and the old pulley is
pressed onto the old pump. This is usually not a problem; you just run down
to the machine shop and have them press the old pulley off. I've taken the
water pump to two different machine shops and both said they were
>sure they'd bend the pulley before getting it off. How can you pull the pulley
off? I may have found a way but I'd be interested in hearing what others have
done.
Instead of trying to pull or press the pully off, press (from the pully side) the
pump shaft out through the back of the pump. This destroys the pump of
course, but gets the pully off without bending it.
- - J
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:47:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: Dome light
Many of us already know that the front interior dome light is faulty and
needs to be replaced. But does anybody know if the rear light above the rear
shelf has the same problems as the front one? It appears to be the exact same
light fixture as the front. If it is as faulty as the front one, then I
am going to replace both. But if for some reason the rear one is reliable,
would a good solution be just to swap the front with the back?
Matt Peak
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