DeLorean Mailing List - 6/4/97
dmcnews-digest Wednesday, June 4 1997 Volume 02 : Number 248
In this issue:
DML: Fuel system update
Re: DML: Removing paint?
Re: DML: D1 Homepage/value
DML: 81, 82 and 83 chronology UPDATE
DML: Snobbiness (was: DMC value)
DML: DML Re: Snobbiness
DML: RE: Distributor reangling???
RE: DML: D1 Homepage/value
Re: DML: Snobbiness (was: DMC value)
DML: RE: Class Struggle
DML: DMC photo in new magazine
RE: DML: New D-1 Web Site
Re: DML: DeLoreans in 98?
DML: His and Her DeLoreans?
Re: DML: RE: Class Struggle
Re: DML: Removing paint?
Re: DML: D1 Homepage/value
DML: RE: Repair Shop List
Re: DML: D1 Homepage/value
DML: Delorean 1
DML: Re: censorship vs. moderation
DML: Photoshoot
DML: Automatic Tran Filters ?
DML: ABE want matches
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 97 23:44:34 -0600
From: David Swingle Subject: DML: Fuel system
update
My fuel accumulator replacement has turned into a much bigger project. As I
mentioned before, the hoses around the accumulator started crumbling when
I removed it. This led me to check the fuel pump hoses since they are made of
the same stuff (they were crumbling too!). Since I had to pull the pump to get
to them, I discovered the pump cover and the mounting boot were in pretty
sad shape too. The mounting boot looked OK until it had it out and in my
hands, so it didn't get ordered with the first bunch of parts. The boot was not
in terrible shape, but was starting to disintegrate around the bottom. At least
the fuel pump is still working and looks good. I also found where a previous
mechanic had cut into the pump wiring to add a new ground, bypassing the
inertia switch. I had been wondering how the car ran with the inertia switch
wire dangling loose under the dashboard. . .
While waiting for the pump boot, I've also fixed the speedo angle drive
(replaced broken drive and the missing support bracket), changed the belts
and idler pulley bearings, and pulled the headliners and had them recovered.
Thanks to the DMC-NEWS list for the advice on how to remove headliners -
a relatively simple job and it really improves the looks. I discovered that
someone had put the wrong spark plugs in, so I changed those as well. Oh
well - it should be back on the road NEXT weekend. I think I'm just about
through the expensive stuff - at least my wife hopes so.
No more questions for now. . . . .
Dave Swingle
dswingle@enteract.com
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 03:06:54 -0700
From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Subject: Re: DML:
Removing paint?
Sean Mullally wrote:
>Hello all,
>I am currently looking at purchasing my first 'D' and have seen a couple
advertised for sale that have been painted. Personally I think this detracts alot
from the appearance car. What I would like to know is has anyone tried to
remove the paint from a painted DeLorean? Can it be removed by an abrasive
or solvent without damaging the body panels? I doubt I would be nearly as
interested in buying a painted 'D' if I just have to live with the paint.
>-Sean Mullally
>mullally@pilot.msu.edu
- ------------------------message divider ----------------- Sean,
As I understand it the stainless had to be acid etched before painting,
assuuming that it was done correctly, otherwise paint will not adhere to the
stainless steel ... I think that the only paint that will adhere without acid
etching is immeron, the stuff used on commercial airlines, at about $80 a
gallon. If the panels were etched then you would have to have them re-
brushed after getting the paint off. I really think that you would be better off
just finding one in the original stainless.
My '83 is for sale bit it is probably priced at more than you want to pay.
Best regards,
Marv Sterling
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 10:51:39 -0400
From: Mike Substelny Subject: Re: DML: D1
Homepage/value
Matt Peak was discussing how parts vendors can effect DeLorean values. One
thing he said was:
>". . .the most widely advertised parts/service facility is Delorean One. He
gives them a call, is harassed, berated, and lectured on why he doesn't have a
complete VIN or why the owner wasn't buying his parts from D1. . .using
D1's prices as industry standard, comes to the conclusion that Delorean parts
are too expensive . . ."
I don't want to stray too far on this tangent, and I really don't think the DML
is the place to discuss this, the but here is a comment anyway. The only way
the value of DeLoreans will increase appreciably is if the DeLorean becomes
more of a rich-man's toy and less something you and I can afford to drive.
Ed prognosticates huge value increases in public (including DeLorean World)
all the time. Frankly, if we are going to see that kind of increase, it must
become so expensive to maintain a DeLorean that you need to be a
millionairre to drive one.
Say what you want about DeLorean One. But along with it you must admit
that they are doing their part to exclude the common man from DeLorean
ownership. I want the value of my DeLorean to increase, too, so I wish them
luck in this effort.
Reports of abusive treatment of customers are puzzling to me. No one
benefits from that, and somehow I think these stories must be exaggerated. I
had a little difficulty with D1 representatives on the phone once, but nothing
really bad. Doesn't anyone have a GOOD story to tell about how they were
treated by D1?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 08:13:03 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: 81, 82 and 83 chronology UPDATE
1981 DeLorean Production Chronology (80) - ----------------------------------------------
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00500 ??? 81 Crawford Automotive Museum (Ohio), black, 5 speed 00502 ???
81 WITHHOLD NAME (Texas), black, 5 speed (Twin Turbo Prototype) 00514
??? 81 Ulster Folk and Transport Museum (Belfast), black, 5 speed 00515 ??? 81
Dennis Listenberger (Indiana), black, automatic (factory crash test car)
00577 Mar 81 Scott Sykes (New Jersey), black, 5-speed 00897 Mar 81 Nick Kemp
(Minnesota), black, 5 speed 00938 Apr 81 Osamu Shimohara (Japan), black, 5-
speed 01028 Apr 81 George Ford (North Carolina), black, 5 speed 01042 Apr 81
Billy Runyan (Illinois), black, 5 speed 01049 Apr 81 Web Bixby (Missouri),
black, 5 speed 01141 Apr 81 Henry Breer (California), black, 5 speed (no build
plate on car-salvage)
01149 Apr 81 Don Gowler (Illinois), black, automatic 01280 May 81 Mike
Substelny (Ohio), black, 5 speed 01329 May 81 Ken Knowlton (Ohio), black,
automatic 01387 May 81 Mike Hirko (Washington), black, 5 speed 01482 May
81 Tom Long (Georgia), black, 5 speed 01523 May 81 Scott Ciszek (Virginia),
black, 5 speed 01529 May 81 Chase Clark (Missouri), black, 5-speed 01595 ??? 81
International Motorsports Hall of Fame (Alabama), black, 5 speed
01604 Jun 81 Scott Engelhart (Wisconsin), black, 5-speed 01606 Jun 81 Ralph
Sandstrom (Illinois), black, 5 speed 01723 Jun 81 Robert Corkum (Ontario),
black, 5 speed 02135 Jul 81 Mike Griese (Minnesota), black, 5 speed 02191 Jul 81
Steve Klein (New York), black, automatic 02200 Jul 81 Dave Olson
(Washington), black, automatic 02255 Jul 81 Markus Gunkel (Germany), black,
5 speed 02273 Jul 81 Jameel Ahed (Illinois), black, 5-speed 02320 Jul 81 Richard
Strecker (Ohio), black, 5 speed 02355 Jul 81 Murray Gintis (Massachusetts),
black, 5-speed 02486 Jul 81 Harry Nethers (Ohio), black, 5-speed 02541 Aug 81
Mike Allsun (New Hampshire), black, 5 speed 02781 Aug 81 Bob Benyon
(Rhode Island), black, auto 02860 Aug 81 Chris Rabalais (Arizona), black, 5
speed 02981 Aug 81 Scott Mueller (California), grey, 5-speed 03014 Aug 81
Charlie Sens' Antique Auto Museum (Ohio), grey 03153 Aug 81 Ray Haug
(California), Grey, 5 speed 03156 Aug 81 Riteway Auto Parts (Arizona)
TOTALLED 03472 Aug 81 Michael Babb (North Carolina), grey, 5 speed 03476
Aug 81 Joel Matos (Puerto Rico), grey, 5 speed 03583 Sep 81 Bob Benyon (New
Jersey), black, auto 03864 Sep 81 WITHHOLD NAME (California), black, 5-
speed 03886 Sep 81 Bob Kidd (Ohio), black, 5-speed 04155 Sep 81 Guy Boutet
(Quebec), black, 5 speed 04181 Sep 81 Frank Augustine (Illinois), black, 5-speed
04428 Oct 81 Matt Peak (California), grey, 5-speed 04556 Oct 81 Vincent Voss
(Alaska), grey, 5 speed 04634 Oct 81 Cliff Griffith (Texas), grey, 5-speed 04797
Oct 81 Dennis Lowery (Virginia), grey, automatic 04883 Oct 81 Garry Hewitt
(United Kingdom), grey, 5 speed 05203 Oct 81 Jason Winter (Texas), grey, 5
speed 05319 Oct 81 Bill Burden (Alabama), grey, 5 speed 05429 Oct 81 David
Swingle (Illinois), grey, 5 speed 05501 Oct 81 Randal Brown (Minnesota), grey,
manual 05581 Oct 81 Robert Kerman (Wisconsin), gray, manual 05729 Oct 81
Lee Seiler (California), grey, 5 speed 05832 Oct 81 Jim Senft (Maryland), grey, 5
speed 05922 Oct 81 Frederick Embden (New York) 05962 Oct 81 Murray Fisher
(Washington), grey, automatic 05997 Oct 81 John Chandler (Wisconsin), grey,
5 speed 06068 Nov 81 Marc Levy (???), ???, ???
06097 Nov 81 Gabe Rexach (Florida), grey, 5 speed 06151 Nov 81 John Jeakle
(Ohio), grey, 5-speed 06221 Nov 81 George Ford (North Carolina) TOTALLED
06229 Nov 81 Howie Breinan (Connecticut), grey, 5-speed 06247 Nov 81 Mike
Novotny (Pennsylvania, grey, 5 speed 06250 Nov 81 Dennis Listenberger
(Indiana), grey, automatic 06301 Nov 81 Chris Shepherd (Oregon), grey, 5
speed 06416 Nov 81 Jason Ross (Illinois), grey, 5 speed 06530 Nov 81 Dick
Ryan (Colorado), grey, auto 06569 Nov 81 Bruce Battles (Tennessee), grey, 5
speed 06581 Nov 81 Lars-Goran Andersson (Sweden), grey, 5 speed 06600 Nov
81 Byrne Heninger (Georgia), ???, 5 speed 06623 Nov 81 Dan Berglund
(Washington), grey, 5 speed 06678 Nov 81 Lars Opheim (Norway), grey, 5
speed 06810 Nov 81 Kevin Wolter (Illinois), grey, 5-speed 06882 Nov 81 Raz
D'Angelo (Florida) grey, automatic 06884 Nov 81 James Nichols Sr (Texas),
grey, 5 speed 06938 Nov 81 Bruce Benson (Minnesota), grey, 5 speed 07134
Nov 81 Phillip Pratt (Texas), grey, 5 speed 07139 Nov 81 Tom Goff (Maryland),
grey, 5-speed
1982 DeLorean Production Chronology (19) - ----------------------------------------------
-
10004 Dec 81 WITHHOLD NAME (Alabama), grey, 5 speed 10059 Dec 81
WITHHOLD NAME (California)
10209 Dec 81 Ron and Margaret Jackson (Arizona) 10213 Dec 81 Michael
Gaines (New Jersey), grey, 5 speed 10251 Dec 81 Eddy Cue (California), grey, 5
speed 10410 Dec 81 Tom Ghesquiere (Texas), grey, 5 speed 10570 Dec 81 James
Espey (Arizona), grey, 5 speed 10574 Dec 81 Dennis Adams (Wisconsin), grey,
5-speed 10607 Dec 81 Tony Swiantek (Illinois), grey, automatic 10675 Dec 81
Marty Maier (Illinois), grey, 5 speed 10688 Dec 81 Steve Brodsky (Texas), grey,
5-speed 10696 Dec 81 DeLorean Motor Company (Texas) 10788 Dec 81 Don
Gowler (Illinois), grey, 5 speed 11060 Jan 82 Rob Hook (Virginia) grey, 5 speed
11152 Jan 82 Trinity M. Barbuto (Massachusetts) 11529 Jan 82 Bryan Pearce
(Illinois)
11554 Jan 82 Aaron Mills (Michigan)
11594 Jan 82 David Olson (Wisconsin), black, 5-speed 12174 May 82 ???
(United Kingdom), black, 5-speed RHD
1983 DeLorean Production Chronology (21) - ----------------------------------------------
15244 Aug 82 Byrne Heninger (Georgia), black, 5 speed 15275 Aug 82 David
Hudgins (Maryland), grey, 5 speed 15880 Aug 82 Doug Venner (New Jersey),
grey, 5-speed 16000 Aug 82 Marv Sterling (New York), grey, 5-speed 16344 Aug
82 Knut Grimsrud (Oregon), grey, 5-speed 16348 Aug 82 Ray Haug (California),
grey, automatic 16353 Aug 82 Randy Atamaniuk (Canada), grey, 5 speed 16381
Aug 82 Michael Reinemuth (Heidelberg / Germany) 16422 Aug 82 Ray
Petragallo (California). grey, 5 speed 16684 Aug 82 Ken Koncelik (Ohio), black,
5 speed 16693 Aug 82 Dave Kaplan (Iowa), black, automatic 16873 Aug 82
Jeffrey Altman (Florida), grey, 5 -speed 16900 Aug 82 Jay Steinberg (Illinois),
grey, 5-speed 17006 Sep 82 Virginia Hodges (Maryland), grey, automatic 17015
Sep 82 Robert S. Rodgers (New Jersey), black, 5-speed 17065 Sep 82 Eric
Hennebury (Toronto), grey, 5-speed 17106 Sep 82 Michael Fischer (Calgary)
grey, 5-speed 17115 ??? 82 WITHHOLD NAME (Netherlands), grey, 5 speed
20040 ??? 82 Charlie Sens' Antique Auto Museum (OH), grey 20095 Dec 82
WITHHOLD NAME (New Jersey), grey, 5-speed (10th from last made)
20103 Dec 82 Michael Stark (Illinois), grey, 5 speed
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:08:25 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines" Subject: DML:
Snobbiness (was: DMC value)
Mike Substelny wrote:
>Matt Peak was discussing how parts vendors can effect DeLorean values.
One thing he said was:
>>". . .the most widely advertised parts/service facility is Delorean One. He
gives them a call, is harassed, berated, and lectured on why he doesn't have a
complete VIN or why the owner wasn't buying his parts from D1. . .using
D1's prices as industry standard, comes to the conclusion that Delorean parts
are too expensive . . ."
>I don't want to stray too far on this tangent, and I really don't think the DML
is the place to discuss this, the but here is a comment anyway. The only way
the value of DeLoreans will increase appreciably is if the DeLorean becomes
more of a rich-man's toy and less something you and I can afford to drive.
[the rest of the rants deleted]
I'm sorry, but wasn't the DeLorean for "The bachelor who's made it"? My
wife and I make a damn good living and as much as I love my car I will not
fall in the illusion that the car is the same quality and/or value as a Ferrari or
a Countach or a Pantera. DMC is dead. It's up to people who CAN work on
cars themselves to keep them alive. Let Ed do what he wants in California but
here in NJ we don't have that same lifestyle.
I find it insulting that any of us on the DML (myself included) that finally got
a D should be looked DOWN upon by you just because we don't make a 6
figure salary. I take good care of my car. It won first prize this past weekend in
a local car show. I have pride in owning it. I will not feel like I SHOULDN'T
own it because of attitudes like yours.
I met a lot of DeLorean owners in the last few months; all good people. I don't
judge them by their salaries.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:40:03 -0400
From: Mike Substelny Subject: DML: DML Re:
Snobbiness
Mike Gaines said (about me):
>I find it insulting that any of us on the DML (myself included) that finally
got a D should be looked DOWN upon by you just because we don't make a 6
figure salary.
Geeze Mike! Peace! When did I say I was looking down on anyone?
My point was simply one of economics. As long as a middle class schmoe like
me can still afford to maintain my DeLorean, Ed's predictions will never
come true. But if people like you and me are forced out of the DeLorean
market while Bill Gates and Arnold Schwartzenegger are attracted in, Ed's
prophesies will come to pass.
I made no judgements and intended no insults to you, Ed, or anyone else.
These are simple economic facts.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:49:33 -0400
From: Rob Hook
Subject: DML: RE: Distributor reangling???
Matt,
Running a turbo-charged car with the ignition set for a non-turbo charged car
will cause severe detonation and put holes right through the pistons.
What happens is that the turbo charger increases the pressure in the
combustion chamber. Because of this, and since gasoline will detonate with
a little heat and enough pressure, the gas/air mixture in the piston begins
to explode much too early, while the piston is still on it's up-stroke.
Even though it's normal for the explosion to start a few degrees before the
ignition reaches top dead center, this detonation occurs way too early.
This combustion is also much more uneven in the combustion chamber,
localizing most of the heat to a small portion of the chamber. This and the
percussion is what causes holes in the piston or other problems.
Since you are looking through the instructions for the twin-turbo kit, I
assume you are interested in getting one or already have one. Think I could
get a copy of those some time? I'm interested in getting a kit myself.
- -Rob Hook
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:59:32 -0400
From: Rob Hook
Subject: RE: DML: D1 Homepage/value
Actually, D1 does refuse to deal with you unless you have a complete VIN.
I wanted to get a catalog some time ago to buy some memorobilia but they
refused to even talk to me without a VIN. To this day, I've still not gotten a
catalog from them despite giving them my VIN and requesting one each time
I ordered something.
Their prices seem high but I have found that they often include things in
their kits that other places don't.
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 13:38:54 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: Snobbiness (was: DMC value)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:27:33 -0700
From: Arron Oberman
To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: Snobbiness (was: DMC value)
Michael E. Gaines wrote:
>
>I met a lot of DeLorean owners in the last few months; all good people. I
don't judge them by their salaries.
>Mike
Hear, Hear!!
The joy of owning a car comes from the personal intrinsic value the owner
has in owning that car. Personally, I have always found that the people who
enjoy respect and feel the greatest amount of pride in themselves and
thier cars are those who had to work the hardest for them. Who talks about
thier car with the most enthusiasim? The 6 fig. salary executive who bought a
1969 SS Camero from a specialty rebuild joint or the 20 year old student who
spent every weekend going over his car from scratch and built the thing with
his own two hands? The real answers is that they both more than likely love
thier cars to the same degree it doesn't matter really, cause the both worked
hard in different repects to be able to own one. ( I bet you thought I was going
to say the student ... didn't ya?)
Owning your car and keeping it up whether you send it to D1 or fix it yourself
doesn't matter, it the respect that you have for the 'fact' you are able to own a
piece of work as nice as the Delorean. If you get any joy out of owning your
car and it not just a show piece to say <> then
a D owners we should really encourage others to feel same by wanting them
to own one also.
We are all part of a group that conects through a common point of interest,
the D. Let's not bicker over who forked out what or who got it where, just feel
glad that you can own one and be part of a special group of fortunate
automobile owners.
I don't mean to preach and say that we should all love each other but let's
leave all this Rich man, Poor man crap out of this. It doesn't matter how
much money you have or how little ... 'Class' is about who you are as a
person not how many toys you can own, and if you feel classy about having a
D good for you! If you bought it for it's investment value only, I hope you
make some money but I think you are really missing out on the fun the rest
of us are having.
Yours 'Preaching'ly,
ADO
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: CDIUSAMPS@aol.com
Subject: DML: RE: Class Struggle
Can't we all just get along???? BILL
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Nexus6Neon@aol.com
Subject: DML: DMC photo in new magazine
Hi, all;
The June/July issue of 'Sports Car International' magazine has a brief
mention of the DeLorean, along with a photo of JZD beside one, in an article
about other independent carmakers.
Just getting the word out!
Take care,
Brian H.
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:27:41 -0700
From: Dave Jacobs Subject: RE: DML: New D-1 Web Site
DeLorean One with their "If, on the other hand, you are simply looking = for
the cheapest way out, please look elsewhere. You can always find = someone
to do it cheaper. Never someone to do it better." slogan = suggests to me that
they need to find customers "elsewhere".
Way to go Ed! You salesman you!
Dave...
- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01@world.std.com [SMTP:Don = Gowler-
CFPO01@world.std.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 3:12 AM
To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: New D-1 Web Site
Message authorized by:
: dswingle@enteract.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL
Boy does that story need updating - wait till Steven Wynne sees that=20 first
claim=20
'---largest supply of parts in the world---'
______________________________________________________
___________________= __
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>Subject: DML: New D-1 Web Site
>From: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL Date:
5/26/97 11:38 AM
>New Web Site
>Check out www.deloreanone.com
>Dave Swingle
>dswingle@enteract.com
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 08:22:02 -0400
From: Mike Substelny Subject: Re: DML:
DeLoreans in 98?
Supratik said:
>Anywho, KAPAC is remaking the old DMCs' with some new features, like
two door four seat style.
I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say this rumor is false. The main
reason is that KAPAC is no longer in the DeLorean business (DMC Houston
owns the factory goodies now). Besides, I don't see how such radical four seat
conversions would be profitable for anyone.
But the rumor did give me a good chuckle.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Tester
Subject: DML: His and Her DeLoreans?
I was looking through a Auto Round-Up magazine years ago and saw a set of
His and Her DeLoreans for sale. Were there ever a set sold like this? Or was
it just a Dealer promotion?
Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 20:55:50 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" Subject: Re: DML: RE: Class
Struggle
>Can't we all just get along???? BILL
It would be nice.
I feel a message from the moderator coming, don't you ? :-D
BUT ANYWAY, lets talk about Accumulators or something ?
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1986 22:15:58 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: Re: DML: Removing paint?
At 03:06 AM 6/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Sean Mullally wrote:
>>Hello all,
>>I am currently looking at purchasing my first 'D' and have seen a couple
advertised for sale that have been painted. Personally I think this detracts alot
from the appearance car. What I would like to know is has anyone tried to
remove the paint from a painted DeLorean? Can it be removed by an abrasive
or solvent without damaging the body panels? I doubt I would be nearly as
interested in buying a painted 'D' if I just have to live with the paint.
>>-Sean Mullally
>>mullally@pilot.msu.edu
>------------------------message divider ----------------- Sean,
>As I understand it the stainless had to be acid etched before painting,
assuuming that it was done correctly, otherwise paint will not adhere to the
stainless steel ... I think that the only paint that will adhere without acid
etching is immeron, the stuff used on commercial airlines, at about $80 a
gallon. If the panels were etched then you would have to have them re-
brushed after getting the paint off. I really think that you would be better off
just finding one in the original stainless.
>My '83 is for sale bit it is probably priced at more than you want to pay.
>Best regards,
>Marv Sterling
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Hello Marv,
re your above comments: I agree that immeron is one of the few paints that
will adhear to SS. But It is available as Auto paint at around half the price you
mentioned. We used it a lot for classic Car paint jobs back in the 70's.
I have had my DMC for about 4 Mos now and still working out all the
cross grain marks from a well meaning attempt to Brighten up the car for me.
I also found that the wind screen was not original equipment and had it
replaced with one from DMC One.
I wonder if besides an etching there was some fill and sanding as well?
BTW how much you want for that 83', how many miles? got any photos?
you can send to my private e mail...lseiler@ccnet.com!
regards
Lee
Vin 5729
lee@ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 19:47:55 -0800
From: Vincent Voss
Subject: Re: DML: D1 Homepage/value
Mike Substelny wrote:
>Reports of abusive treatment of customers are puzzling to me. No one
benefits from that, and somehow I think these stories must be exaggerated. I
had a little difficulty with D1 representatives on the phone once, but nothing
really bad. Doesn't anyone have a GOOD story to tell about how they were
treated by D1?
>=20
>- Mike Substelny
I Bought my DeLorean in 1991. It came with a 1988 +/- DeLorean one Catalog.
As everyone else on the list has come to know the need for DeLorean parts
for our car began before we ever got the car. So I called D1 in mid 1991 and
talked to Ed. He was very helpful. He told me some things about my car that I
didn't want to hear, things I should replace, things that needed up graded,
etc... At the time I took this as salesmans hype. Just wanting to sell parts.
While not every thing Ed told me would go wrong has to me, reading the list
says it's happening to some one regularly.
In the summer of 91 I was in L.A. and stopped by Ed's old shop. Ed was very
nice
to me and my young daughter who was with me. He showed me around the
shop,
showed me the chassis he has with no body. Showed me how to deal with the
fuel pump
when you could actually see the whole thing. Looking at a DeLorean chassis
fully outfitted
is an education in it's self. Yes, I did buy some things from Ed on that trip, like
the
oil plug wrench, fuel filters, oil filters, and air filters, and Ed signed me up
to the DOA and all i knew of my serial number was the last 4 digits. Ed helped
me at
a time when I had absolutely no idea who to go to. As far as I know there
are only 5 Deloreans here in Alaska and only 2 that are regularly driven. Ed is
a
business man. He is able to help us by making a profit. If he or the other shops
didn't
make a profit where would we all be. Trying to get together enough people to
pledge
enough monery to make a run of a certin part?? How did that work on the
model???
Take your business to the shop your happiest with. That's your privilege. If
Ed has done you
wrong, tell HIM!
This ED and D1 bashing should stop. Make the list positive. If someone ha s
done a good
job for you tell us! The people on the list will follow to someone who is
good. The market for DeLorean parts is limited. If someone isn't doing us
good and we all
follow to the one's who do good, the one's who aren't will come around or
die.
Sorry this is so long. But one more thing. While driving around in your
DeLorean
the looks and stares stroke your ego, when parking the questions take your
time,
while talking over your car the people who think your car is worth $50,000+
pump your
ego some more but the coke jokes take it all back, and the constant
breakdowns cost you
money and take your time, one thing makes it all worth while - that is the
smile of a child
when he comes up to you car and recognizes it as something special. The
innocent
curiosity and joy from a child. How can you not let him touch it or sit in
it.We enjoy our
cars a great deal. Don't take that joy from others who are not as fortunate as
us.
Vincent Voss
Alaska
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:53:13 -0700
From: "David Jacobs (NEC)" Subject: DML: RE:
Repair Shop List
Here is a great shop for the Washington area. They specialize in high
performance cars and trucks. They have some excellent DeLorean experts
with lots of experience.
Horton Performance 8603 S 212th St, Kent, WA 98031-1910 Phone: (206)872-
4559
Thanks!
Dave Jacobs...
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ABatt10347@aol.com [SMTP:ABatt10347@aol.com] Sent: Thursday,
May 08, 1997 6:36 AM
>To: dmcnews@world.std.com
>Subject: Repair Shop List
>Here is the long awaited Repair shop list. These shop came from fellow
>DMCers
>who have had work done at these shops. If you have any shops to add please
>contact me at ABatt10347@aol.com
>AL:
>Southern Star Motor Co
>716 Wilmer Ave.
>Anniston, AL 36201
>Phone # 205-236-5389
>Contact; Daniel Peek
>(Anniston is located on I-24 between Atlanta, GA and Birmingham, AL)
>AZ:
>Mesa Auto Works
>Mesa, AZ
>(near Phoenix)
>Phone # 602-969-1954
>Contact: Mike Bacon
>CA:
>Hayward Automotive
>22145 Mission Blvd.
>Hayward, CA 94541
>Phone # 510-537-2787
>CO:
>Haglin Automotive
>Boulder, CO
>Phone # 303-442-8547
>Contact: Dana Haglin
>CT:
>Lee Partyka Chevyland
>200 Skiff St.
>Hamden, CT 06517
>Phone # 203-288-7761
>GA:
>Sal's Import Specialist
>589 Hwy 120
>Lawrenceville, GA 30245
>Phone # 770-338-1979
>Contact: Sal Iacano
>Body Work:
>AAA Body Shop Inc.
>1780 Hembree Rd. Ste 200
>Alpharetta, GA 30201
>Phone # 770-462-2640
>Contact: Joe Scott
>MI:
>Wolfis Auto Service
>7243 S. Westnedge
>Kalamazoo, MI 49002
>Phone # 616-327-7238
>NJ:
>Euro Experts Technicians
>100Frontage Rd.
>Cherry Hill, NJ
>Phone # 609-428-8100
>(located on Route 70 just west of I-295
>Jafstram Imported Car Service
>869 Haddon Ave.
>Collingswood, NJ
>Phone # 609-854-8316
>NY:
>PJ Grady
>118 Montauk Highway
>West Sayville, NY
>Phone # 516-589-6224
>K & K
>Route 9
>Newburgh, NY
>Phone # 914-562-4330
>Contact: Edward Koop
>OH:
>Rick Yusi's Garage
>Strongsville, OH
>Contact: Walt Pochadic
>Bauerle Automotive
>4156 Radnor Road
>Radnor, OH
>Phone # 614-595-3348
>OR:
>Foreign Car Specialists
>3127 Pacific Ave.
>Forest Grove, OR 97116
>Phone # 503-357-7049
>Contact: Chris Myers
>PA:
>Quality Tire
>Willets & Holme Aves.
>Philadelphia, PA 19114-3806
>Phone # 215-677-4070
>Contact: Mike
>(North East Philadelphia)
>Santoro's Automotive
>Kings Highway South @ Baus Road
>East Greenville, PA 18041-9425
>Phone # 215-679-7791
>Contcat: Rick
>( Near Exit 32 PA Turnpike, half way between Quakertown and Pottstown
near
>Routes # 29 & #663 @ Marshall's Barn)
>TN:
>Classic Auto Works
>914 Main St.
>Nashville, TN
>Phone # 615-262-1284
>Contact: Bob Acuff
>Import Auto Service
>985 Long Hollow Pike
>Gallatin, TN 37066
>Phone # 615-452-6595
>Contact: Leon Brawner
>TX:
>Delorean Motor Company
>10804 Roark Road
>Houston, TX
>1-800-USA-DMC1
>Again if anyone has a shop that they have used and have been happy with
>the
>work, please email me with the name ,address, phone #, and a contact
person.
>(ABatt10347@AOL.com). Could use some shops from the following states----
--WA,ID,MT,UT,NV,SD,NE,KS,OK,NM,LA,IA,MN,WI,IL,IN,KY,MO,AR,W
V,VA,
>NC,
>SC,FL,MD,DE,VT,NH,RI,ME,AK, and HI. The list is for the members who
intend to
>travel with their DMC and breakdown in a strange place. Thanks to the
following people for your help: James, Bill, Widdomaker, Radddad, Kevin,
>Tom,
>Arron, Scott, Frederick, Mike, Knut, Joe,
BBruce Battles
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1986 09:42:04 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: Re: DML: D1 Homepage/value
At 07:47 PM 6/2/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Mike Substelny wrote:
>>Reports of abusive treatment of customers are puzzling to me. No one
benefits from that, and somehow I think these stories must be exaggerated. I
had a little difficulty with D1 representatives on the phone once, but nothing
really bad. Doesn't anyone have a GOOD story to tell about how they were
treated by D1?
>>=20
>>- Mike Substelny
>I Bought my DeLorean in 1991. It came with a 1988 +/- DeLorean one
Catalog. As everyone else on the list has come to know the need for
(huge snip to conserve bandwidth)
>We enjoy our
>cars a great deal. Don't take that joy from others who are not as fortunate as
us.
>Vincent Voss
>Alaska
- -----------------------------Reply-----------------------------
Vincent,
I agree, For the most part. I have no problems with D1. I have been shopping
all the DMC shops and gotten pars from them all. So far based on what I have
found with Ed, he is actually better to deal with than some business I have
confronted. Ed knows exactly how he wants things and makes that clear, god
for him. Aftere all it is his business, and while it would be nice if every
one could get along, point of fact the DMC owners can't even keep their own
clubs running? there seems to be a current break up in DOA and new clubs
forming or some such thing.
On the other hand, for any forum to be healthy open opinion and the
freedom
to speak (post) one's thoughts is critical....I have already seen some censorship
in this forum, which in my opinion is just not acceptable.
Lets talk about panel alignment!
Turbos!
Stealth DMC-12
Lee
VIN# 5729
lee@ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 13:31:32 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Delorean 1
From: "Chris P. Rabalais" To:
"'dmcnews@world.std.com'" Subject: Delorean
1
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:23:13 -0000
I don't usually post anything to the list, but the recent discussions about Ed
and Delorean 1
merit a response. When I purchased my car about this time last year, I had no
idea what
I had or where to get service. I called Delorean 1 and spoke with Ed many
times. He was
always very courteous and helpful. Long before I committed to have my car
repaired and he
realized any income from me, he treated me with patience and respect. I am
also a
businessman and understand the heavy time mortgaging that goes along
with a successful
operation. I was in an automobile accident with my Delorean and Ed was very
helpful in
assisting me with the insurance company and having the car repaired in
California instead
of Arizona (where there are no qualified shops). He never did any 'upselling'
on me and would
only give his opinion on what should be fixed. He left all the decision-
making up to me. Items that
were costly but important to fix, Ed was quick to look for ways to fit them in
my budget. He
wanted my car to be up to his standards. In summary, I have been very
pleased with the
service I received from Ed and Delorean 1. My car has been as solid as any that
I have seen.
I would not hesitate to drive it across the country. I don't think that we
should mix political views
on Ed with discussions of the work performed by his shop.
Chris Rabalais
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 13:27:30 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Re: censorship vs. moderation
>On the other hand, for any forum to be healthy open opinion and the
freedom to speak (post) one's thoughts is critical....I have already seen some
censorship in this forum, which in my opinion is just not acceptable.
For the benefit of those so new to the list, I will explain the reasoning behind
moderation of the DeLorean Mailing List. I subscribe to four other mailing
lists, none of which are moderated, and I get about 70 emails per day.
Invariably, about 1/4 of these contain list-related content - the rest are
irrelevant. Moderation "screens" off-topic or inaccurate postings. For an
example of an unmoderated forum, check out Dave Takeuchi's bulletin
board.
For the record, the following types of messages are the kind that I will not
post:
1. Get rich deals
2. Oil/fuel additives
3. waterless car washes
4. Obviously inaccurate postings (ie, using steel wool to clean the body) 5.
Blatant flame bait
6. Slanderous statements
7. Multiple identical messages from same person 8. Messages directed to an
individual rather than the list as a whole
If you find the manner in which the list is run to be unacceptable, you are
more than welcome to unsubscribe and wade through the postings on
Takeuchi's bulletin board. The vast majority of subscribers enjoy and
appreciate the high "signal to noise" ratio and so long as I am responsible for
the list, that's the way it'll be run.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:50:30 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon" Subject: DML:
Photoshoot
I have been a life long fan of DMC and would love to shoot some
photographs for my own personal photo library. Is there anyone in the NW
Ohio - tri state area that would'nt mind getting together for a photo shoot.
Being a poor college graduate I can offer in return dinner and fellowship.
Thanks
Shannon Yocom
419-353-7143
syocom@mitchellco.com
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 17:11:25 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" Subject: DML: Automatic
Tran Filters ?
Can someone with an Automatic Tran please help me find the correct filter ?
- -Brandon
Thanks in advance !
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Advanced Book
Exchange@world.std.com, abe@abebooks.com Subject: DML: ABE want
matches
The following wants have been matched by ABE:
***
Your Want: Keywords: delorean
Has been matched with the following book(s):
- --------
View the book description and ordering information at
http://www.abebooks.com/cgi/abe.exe/routera^_pr=oi^_ph=1^_bi=1398208
ON A CLEAR DAY YOU CAN SEE GENERAL MOTORS by Wright, J. Patrick
1979, 6th ptg Wright Enterprises
237 pgs 6x9" blue cover/gilt ltg on spine VG/NVG Illus with photos
Keywords: GENERAL MOTORS JOHN DELOREAN AUTOS CARS The price
of the book is US$ 8.00 Please reference the seller's book # 4635 when
ordering.
The seller is Connie Popek, Bookseller at R D 3 Box 44-C, Oneonta, NY,
U.S.A., 13820
Email them at popeks@magnum.wpe.com., phone them at 607-432-8036.
Their conditions of sale are; Checks payable to Connie Popek $3.00 postage for
1st book, 1.00 each additional overseas shipping: $5.00 per book
Returnable, subject to prior sale
Confirmed orders held 10 days
A money order will enable your order to be shipped immediately,
while a check has to clear my bank, usually 5 days.
- --------
View the book description and ordering information at
http://www.abebooks.com/cgi/abe.exe/routera^_pr=oi^_ph=1^_bi=2382063
DREAM MAKER The Rise and Fall of John Z. DeLorean by Fallon, Ivan &
James Strodes
1983 Putnam, 1st American edition
black & gray cover with silver ltg on spine. Illus with photos. 455 pgs
6.5"x9" Fine in Near Fine dj
Keywords: AUTOMOBILES GENERAL MOTORS CAR MAKERS DELOREAN
BUSINESS 1STEED The price of the book is US$ 7.00 Please reference the
seller's book # 6106 when ordering.
The seller is Connie Popek, Bookseller at R D 3 Box 44-C, Oneonta, NY,
U.S.A., 13820
Email them at popeks@magnum.wpe.com., phone them at 607-432-8036.
Their conditions of sale are; Checks payable to Connie Popek $3.00 postage for
1st book, 1.00 each additional overseas shipping: $5.00 per book
Returnable, subject to prior sale
Confirmed orders held 10 days
A money order will enable your order to be shipped immediately,
while a check has to clear my bank, usually 5 days.
This mail was created 06/03/1997 12:17:38 PM and postmarked 06/03/1997
03:16:49 PM
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