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dmcnews-digest Friday, June 6 1997 Volume 02 : Number 249
In this issue:
DML: A/C Recharging Thoughts?
DML: Parts needed
DML: Set of DeLorean Seats for sale
DML: D1 Homepage/Value
DML: Re: censorship vs. moderation and DMC1
DML: Searchable list site and back-issue archives.
DML: Cross-Reference lists.
(Fwd) Re: DML: D1 Homepage/value
DML: DeLoreans in '98 2 door 4 seat theory
DML: A/C Recharging and Vent Problems.
DML: Turbo & distributor modifications
DML: ABE want matches
DML: List conversation and DMC centers
DML: #502 sold?
Re: DML: #502 sold?
DML: Can we end the class struggle?
DML: Remember the CFI?
DML: ADMIN NOTE: Subscriber count
DML: Ignition & Turbos
DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
DML: RE: youngest DeLorean Owner
Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
DML: Vanity Plate idea
DML: original owners
DML: Remember the CFI?
DML: NEED PARTS
DML: RE: Cross-Reference lists.
DML: RE: Cross-Reference lists.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 22:42:20 -0600
From: David Swingle <dswingle@enteract.com>
Subject: DML: A/C Recharging Thoughts?
I'v been watching the list for info on the subject of Air Conditioning
recharging and haven't seen a whole lot posted yet. Assuming it's
finally going to get warm here in the upper modwest, I'm going to have to
do something soon now that I've replaced the belts and idler bearings.
It would be interesting to know how you all are handling the R12
situation. There seem to be several options: Pay lot of money to keep
putting in R12; Pay lots of money to convert to R134 (and give up some
cooling); pay less money and convert to R406; or drive with the doors up
(lots of extra attention but look out for low trees, and kind of hard on
strut mounts).
What have other DMCNWS readers been doing about this, even if it includes
just putting good 'ol R12 back in every year or two? What's your
experience with the current cost of such service? Has anyone (other than
AaronB as posted a few weeks ago) first-hand experience with any of the
replacements? Aaron's results seem to have been positive.
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:08:41 +0200
From: "Jos Candel" <jos.candel@tip.nl>
Subject: DML: Parts needed
I need :
Front hood
Left front fender
Left door
All stainless
Willing to pay reasonable price !
Thanks in advance
Jos Candel
Phone 31-433251425
Fax 31-3254201
Netherlands
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 12:37:27 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com>
Subject: DML: Set of DeLorean Seats for sale
My recent quest for DeLorean seat to convert to an office chair led me to
a set of DeLorean seats that I am able to offer for sale. They need to be
recovered, though if you like, I can fix you up with a set of covers as I
am doing with others here on the list.
Both seats, as is - $1000
Both seats, all new leather/vinyl covers black or grey (NOT installed on
seats) $1500
Both seats, all new leather/vinyl covers black or grey (installed on
seats) $1600
All prices are plus shipping. Email me if interested.
James
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:45:33 -0400
From: Mike Griese <magriese@us.ibm.com>
Subject: DML: D1 Homepage/Value
I've been silent on this subject for a while, but Mike's request for
good experiences is going to drag me out.
I have had nothing but good experiences with DeLorean One. Parts
are shipped on time, diagnosis has always been correct, and the one
time I was shipped a defective mode switch, it was exchanged with no
hassle. Prices are perhaps higher than one would pay elsewhere, but
the parts you get are known to fit the application across a larger sample
of cars than any of us (or all of us combined, for that matter) has come
across.
If you analyze Ed's business, it is fundamentally a database of
information and experience that Ed has accumulated over the last
15 years that drives his revenue. Parts are not the primary reason to go
to DeLorean One. If it was, KAPAC should have literally blown Ed's doors
off years ago. Ed does not charge for his service advice given over the
phone,
the revenue comes from parts sales and his service bays. What often
happens
with this kind of business model is that people will call for the
diagnosis and
shop for parts elsewhere, looking for the best price (this happens ALL the
time in many businesses, but is best exemplified by a specialty computer
shop vs. electronics warehouses). Ed's requests for VINs from callers (I
believe)
is an attempt to screen calls that will give him the best return. If you
don't
have
a VIN, you probably don't have a car, and probably won't buy parts or
service.
If you
do have a VIN and you call often for advice and then don't buy anything,
you are
wasting his time, plus he's paying for the call. We've all heard how
busy PJ
Grady
is with backlogs that are 6 months long, I have no reason to believe
that Ed's
shop would be any less busy. You can argue that his techniques are not
good for
long-term business, but neither is giving away your competitive edge.
I don't intend for this to be a defense for the way Ed runs his business,
but
it does
explain some of the actions. All of this is conjecture on my part and is
based
purely on personal experiences and the experiences reported by others in
this
list.
Michael A. Griese
Internet: magriese@vnet.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2432
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:24:49 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"<marc.levy@prudential.com>
Subject: DML: Re: censorship vs. moderation and DMC1
<SNIP>
>For the record, the following types of messages are the kind that I will
not post:
<SNIP>
Can we add (or eliminate..) huge, and unnecessary re-posts when replying,
or a follow-up?
I have left a number of mail lists simply because I did not have the time
to filter out all of the useless crap. I think James lets too much
through! You can't please all of the people all of the time! James does a
GREAT job.. Thanks James!
My D1 comments:
When I was looking to purchase a DMC, I called ED and he spent a good
amount of time on the phone with me, telling me common problems to look
for.
For geographical reasons I selected PJ Grady for most of my service and
parts. Rob also gave me much assistance in purchasing my DMC, and
continues to give me any information and help he can over the phone when
servicing the car myself. I have never had a problem with PJ Grady.
Although I did not owe Ed anything, I did show my appreciation for his
help
by purchasing my service manuals from him. When I purchased the manuals I
was asked for my VIN, and did not get a all around good feeling about the
operation. I figured they just had a bad day. I also did not understand
why he needed my VIN.. Maybe he is trying to track the remaining cars?
What I really cant understand is why the entire Delorean community is not
united for the enjoyment and survival of the car. Sure, the part and
service suppliers are entitled to make a living, but that profit will grow
with the enjoyment and survival of the car.
It seems that many people have bad things to say about Ed, and although my
experiences are mixed, even his web page presents a bad attitude. In
general, and especially in this type of product, it is not good to say or
even insinuate that your competition (the customer's alternative to you)
is
no good. As D.Jacobs pointed out the slogan on the web page ("If, on the
other hand, you are simply looking for the cheapest way out, please look
elsewhere. You can always find someone to do it cheaper. Never someone to
do it better.") sends a terrible message, and I think it ruins D1's
credibility. I am very happy with "elsewhere", therefore the quality
image
that D1 is trying to convince me of has no credit. If at some point I am
looking for a alternative to PJ Grady, this would be a big factor in who I
select.
The question I ask is "Why Ed?, Why D1?" I don't think I have ever seen
any negative comments about any of the other DMC service and suppliers. I
guess it is good that all of the complaints are related to attitude and
not
service quality, so D1's customers can be confident that their service is
good even if the attitude is bad, or "snobbish". On the other hand, a
minority of customers may like that. It would make them feel special that
they are among the exclusive snob types. I'm no psychiatrist!
I also agree with a earlier comment (don't know who made it) that if D1 is
the first point of contact for a potential DMC owner, and they sense a bad
attitude, they may be less likely to become a owner. Guess what?! That
is
going to hurt the value of our cars! So Ed, if you are reading all of the
comments on the DML over the past few months take it as constructive
criticism and maybe the situation can improve. It seems that there is
much
you can offer to the DMC community, and hope that if the time comes that
we
either meet, or do business again, it will be a pleasant experience.
As a side note, If a new Delorean club takes off, it may be a good idea to
advertise in Hemmings and other publications. Offer a free source of
information useful to a potential DMC owners. As more people find out how
easy it is to own one, they will want to. <SELFISH>YES! I do want the
value to go up..... I already have mine!</SELFISH>
Allrighty, enough of my crap!
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:29:45 -0400
From: Rob Hook <rob_hook@pop.net>
Subject: DML: Searchable list site and back-issue archives.
Someone posted a web address for a searchable database of all of the DML
back issues. I can't seem to find it now. What was the address? I'm
going to get my ISP or a friend who is an ISP to put a back-issue
database
out there that is auto-updating and fielded. If I remember correctly,
the
other database was not fielded and was getting behind on recent issues.
Is
there anything else that people would like to see in this type of
database?
Is there still a DeLorean section in the Road & Track or Car & Drive
forums
of AOL? I have all of the messages from these forums but they are
extremely outdated now.
Also, how often do the back-issues on the web site get updated?
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:21:11 -0400
From: Rob Hook <rob_hook@pop.net>
Subject: DML: Cross-Reference lists.
Chase Clark stated:
>2) A cross-reference list consisting mostly of items learned from
>personal experience, the DML and other non-copyrighted sources.
Remember that copyright laws are made to protect a publication, not its
factual contents. Just because an item is copyrighted, that doesn't mean
that the information within it is secret or protected. If you want
information to be secret, you simply don't publish it. There are other
parts of intellectual property law that protect information itself but
they
are parts of patents and only protect against using information produced
by
another party in an invention. Dissemination of information is not
prevented by intellectual property law.
The only way most people prevent dissemination of information is through
confidentiality agreements for individuals and the classification system
for governments.
I have seen clubs that use a cross-reference list as an incentive to get
people to join. I don't think this is a good idea.
Along those same lines, I have one legal-sized page of cross-reference
stuff I've gleaned from the DML and from searching at my local auto parts
store. Here's what I have:
Louvre struts: NAPA 819-5518
Parts for rear light circuit board fix: Radio Shack 64-3010 and 64-3017
Air filter: Bosch AF235 or Purolater AF4275 (I also have a Fram #
somewhere)
Fuel filter: Bosch 0-450-905-401 or Fram -3744
Blower motor: Delco 15-895 or 4985-86127 or NAPA 6551005
Alternator belt (motorola): Dayco 15490
A/C Compressor belt: Dayco 15525
Lambda probe: Bosch 258-001-037
Interior light assembly: Hummer 06004088
Thermo-time switch: Bosch 0-280-130-214
Inertia switch: Jaguar 1DAC1761K (may not have first 1 or last K)
Front brake pads: Girling 67320291 or NAPA/RaylocS797 or Bap-Goen
DEL1720174D or Repco 174BMXA(174D?) or Raybestos PD59M
Rear brake pads: Girling 63426119 or Repco D97D or Bap-Goen 17-20097D
Parking brake pads: Repco D175 or Bap-Goen 17-20175 or Girling 133-04-01
Ignition key: Silca NE27P
Door key: LF21RCP
Right hand large water pump hose: NAPA 7610
Thermostat: NAPA 280
Antenna mast (black): Harada RXMB-5
Antenna mast (chrome): RXM-5
Oil pressure sending unit: Wells PS136
Oil pressure switch: Volvo 121890
Front brake caliper rebuild kit: NAPA 667
Water pump: Car Quest 9147
A/C idler pulley bearings: SKF 6202
Heavy duty flasher unit: Volvo 1259615-1
Fuel pump: Bosch 0580-254-973
30 amp relay: Bosch 0-332-204-110
40 amp circuit breaker: ARA C/B 088362
Wheel studs: Wheel-Tite 28251
I don't guarantee these to be correct and I have only used a few of them.
I have recently gotten some web space that I would like to use up and
would
like to publish a cross-reference list. Everyone: Please post whatever
you have.
I'd also like to take this opportunity to bring up an important issue.
The
DeLorean specialty shops probably make a lot of their money from the sale
of DeLorean parts. If we start doing readily available cross-reference
lists, it will be taking money from the DeLorean places. I understand
about the freedom of information (I am a major proponent) but we
certainly
don't want these shops to go out of business. I consider them all (yes,
even Ed) to be good for the DeLorean as opposed to harmful. Should we
organize a list like this? How does everyone else feel about this?
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:55:55 +0000
From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: (Fwd) Re: DML: D1 Homepage/value
Lee Seiler wrote,
(snip)
> Ed knows exactly how he wants things and makes that clear, god
> for him.
"God for him" is a very interesting slip.
(snip)
>point of fact the DMC owners can't even keep their own
> clubs running? there seems to be a current break up in DOA and new clubs
> forming or some such thing.
Ed became president of the DOA. The DOA dissolved all the local
chapters. If you read the "Presidents Message" in the first issue
after taking over you know exactly where he's coming from. The DOA is
now a So. Cal. club.
(snip)
> On the other hand, for any forum to be healthy open opinion and the
> freedom
> to speak (post) one's thoughts is critical....I have already seen some
> censorship in this forum, which in my opinion is just not acceptable.
Some woman who answered their phone was extremely rude because I
didn't know my complete VIN. This after I had made a considerable
purchase from D1.
1. Electrical relay set
2. Floor mats
3. SS lettering
4. Front license bracket
I gave her my name but for some reason their computer only sorts
by VIN.
Sometimes Ed can be helpful, and at other times a complete jerk.
Personally I will avoid any future purchase from D1. Anyone who
thinks his is an acceptable business attitude or practice deserves
exactly what they get.
Chris
P.S. Thanks to James for not posting my original of this mesage. I
had not thought out my reply and it was rather un-diplomatic.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:25:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: FearRacer@aol.com
Subject: DML: DeLoreans in '98 2 door 4 seat theory
OK, Thanks for clearing that up Mike. And, it would be nice to have four
seats so it could seat more than 2 people.
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:41:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Barnes@world.std.com, Dave x1547@world.std.com (ONEB)
Subject: DML: A/C Recharging and Vent Problems.
PLANT1B.PCNET.net.com!ke6507@kaiser
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In response to the costs for R12: I just had my DMC AC checked and
recharged a month ago. I went with replacing the R12. In California, R12
cost me $45 per pound (it took under 3 lbs). Basic vacuum check and
recharge costs were $30.
I have two AC/Vent related problems:
1. My middle front dash vents remain closed at all times. Now that my air
conditioning works, I only get cool air from the side and floor vents. I
went through the vacuum hoses to check for leaks and applied WD-40 to the
AC/Vent controller to stop the vacuum hiss. I still have not been able to
get the middle front dash vents working. I am assuming it's a vacuum
problem. Before I start to dismantle the center console I thought I'd see
if anyone else has experienced this problem and knows what the root cause
may be.
2. After about a 1/2 hour of A/C running on max I get a condensation leak
on the passenger side. It's enough to generate a small puddle. When I
make turns, my passenger ends up with water all over the top of their
shoes. Is there an external drain for this that could be blocked. I've
checked in my manuals and can't find one. If it is condensation that's
not being trapped, I was going to machine a catch and drain it outside.
Does anyone have experience or suggestions on fixing this.
Dave B
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:18:00 PDT
From: Knut S Grimsrud <Knut_S_Grimsrud@ccm.jf.intel.com>
Subject: DML: Turbo & distributor modifications
Forgive my ignorance, but why is bending the distributor rotor in one
direction different from turning the distributor cap in an equal but
opposite direction using the mechanism already in place for doing so
for timing adjustments? Is the rotor re-shaped because there is not
enough travel on the existing timing adjustment?
On the subject of turbo, how is ignition advance (which is vacuum
driven) done on a turbo-equipped engine since the turbo will
(hopefully) eliminate the intake manifold vacuum (applying some boost
pressure instead)? Is this function eliminated on turbo-equipped cars
or is the timing varied using some other scheme?
I would also be interested in whatever the group digs up on the
current state of turbo-charging for the PRV6 engine and the available
performance enhacement options.
Knut Grimsrud
DeLorean Club of Oregon
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:15:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Advanced Book Exchange@world.std.com, abe@abebooks.com
Subject: DML: ABE want matches
To James Espey
The following wants have been matched by ABE:
***
Your Want Keywords: delorean;
Has been matched with the following book(s):
- ----------
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(Keywords: cars automobiles delorean, john z. business automobile
industry transportat ion 034)
The price of the book is US$ 35.00
Please reference the seller's book # 815895 when ordering.
The seller is Book Look
Box 450 , Warwick, NY, U.S.A., 10990.
dee@booklook.com. Ph: 800-223-0540. Fax: 914-651-1233. Terms of sale:
Sales to US & Canada Only. Returnable within 14 days if not as
described. Wraps = papercover. Postage: $4.00 1st book $1.00 each
additional book. Shipment within 2-8 weeks. Most books sent within 24
hours. NY residents add 7 1/4% Sales Tax.
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This mail was created 06/05/1997 12:16:18 AM and postmarked 06/05/1997
12:48:40 AM
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:31:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: List conversation and DMC centers
It looks as though some people are taking Mike Substelny's comments a
little
too far. Although I think he was dead wrong, I understood Mike's view
about
the value of the car and, even though I fall into the category of
dirt-poor
college boy, I was not offended by it. Poetic postings such as "can't we
all
just get along" seem to make controversy from what should have been a
conversation-provoking statement. Isn't that one of the points of the
list,
to state a sentiment and listen to various sides debate its validity? If
we
all "just got along," many things would not be discussed. Mike
Substelny's
posting was not slanderous and therefore I think it added perspective to
the
conversation.
As for Vincent Voss, if everything about the list were kept positive,
where
would we discuss the problems our cars suffer? Aren't problems a form of
negativity? In certain topics, negativity in excess does not belong but
in
others, it is a necessity.
I will indulge in a suggestion of Vincent's by stating positives about
Delorean shop encounters. So far I have bought 95% of my Delorean
specialty
parts from Rob Grady at P.J. Grady and find him to be TERRIFIC! I support
his innovation of creating industry-setting standard parts such as the
Fanzilla, Tankzilla, and Lockzilla, think Debbie and Rob are very down to
earth, friendly people, and have been surprised to find that in many
circumstances, his prices are LOWER than my local parts wholesaler! At
the
worst, his prices are still as good as the other guys'.
When it comes to service in Los Angeles, I wouldn't take my car anyplace
else
than Don Steger at Delorean Motor Center. The extent of his knowledge
about
the Delorean Motor car is unbelievable. When I had my car worked on
there in
December, he was reasonably fast (considering the large amount of work I
had
done), extremely knowledgable, willing to share his knowledge by showing
me
problems while my car was on the lift, and was fair when it came to
prices.
I'm not a big fan of his cosmetic work (lowering, leather seats, etc.)
but I
think he is among the best (if not the best) at Delorean service.
Matt Peak
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:31:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: #502 sold?
Judging by James' recent chronology posting, it looks as if #502 has been
sold to an owner who wants to remain anonymous (since DMC Houston is open
about which cars they own). Does anybody know how much it finally went
for
or who the mysterious list-member/owner is?
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 97 06:43:37 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: DML: #502 sold?
>Judging by James' recent chronology posting, it looks as if #502 has been
>sold to an owner who wants to remain anonymous (since DMC Houston is open
>about which cars they own). Does anybody know how much it finally went
>for or who the mysterious list-member/owner is?
Unless it's sold in the past two weeks, #502 is still at Stephens shop in
Houston. I spoke with Stephen a little about the car in Belfast and got a
little of the history. The car has been owned by the same person since it
was sold at the bankruptcy auction who has always requested anonymity. I
only added it to the chronology since I knew about it. Sorry if it misled
anyone...
James
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:16:19 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org>
Subject: DML: Can we end the class struggle?
Matt Peak said:
> It looks as though some people are taking Mike
> Substelny's comments a little too far.
You don't know the half of it, Matt! For every response that
appeared on the DML it seems like I have gotten ten more in
my personal E-mail box. The statement to which all these
people responded was:
>>"Say what you want about DeLorean One. But along
>> with it you must admit that they are doing their part to
>> exclude the common man from DeLorean ownership.
>> I want the value of my DeLorean to increase, too, so I
>> wish them luck in this effort."
That was just supposed to be a humorous wisecrack! If I
offended anyone I apologize.
Judging by a few of the responses (and flames) that piled up
in my "In" box, there are an alarming number of people who
think there really IS a plot to keep them from owning a
DeLorean!
Someone even accused me of personally being in cahoots
with DeLorean One in a gigantic Olliver Stone conspiracy
against teenagers who are struggling to save money for a
DeLorean. All that from one little wisecrack (or maybe they
noticed Ed being nice to me at Nashville and concluded the
two of us must be up to something?).
For the record, there is no conspiracy. DeLorean One is just
a parts & service vendor (that happens to have an obsession
for VINs), not a sinister force bent on oppression. I am glad
that some people have posted their good experiences with
DeLorean One in response to my request. This is because it
helps the DML present a balanced view, not because I was
planted on the DML by the DeLorean One propaganda
department.
Now, can we please let this thread die?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 97 12:55:04 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com>
Subject: DML: Remember the CFI?
While doing some work on the back issues, I found this...
This is the second CFI list that has suggested fixes/solutions. As you
can see, not all of the CFI have a recommended solution listed, but we
know they're out there. Comments encouraged. If you have suggestions for
additions or can share fixes/solutions, please direct them to
"espey@dmcnews.com" for inclusion in the next version of this list.
1. Gas gauge/sending units
TankZilla from PJ Grady in New York has proven itself to be an effective,
accurate replacement for the original DeLorean sending unit that requires
NO modifications to the car.
2. Clutch master/slave cylinder (brakes, too?)
3. Brake squeal
4. Door seals
Replacement door seals are readily available from parts suppliers,
(suitable non-DMC alternatives that have been mentioned include certain
Chrysler minivan rear-hatch seals) though prevention of this problem can
be accomplished by insuring your doors are properly adjusted (see
DeLorean World Vol.3 #4 for this procedure), properly closing the doors
AND having gas struts that are in good condition (see #19 below).
Adjusting the doors without replacing weak struts will NOT fix the
problem.
5. Tail light circuit boards
Most of the DeLorean parts places sell improved design circuit boards
that are "drop-in" replacements for the originals. You can also use small
nuts and bolts (see DeLorean Mailing List #006 - 8/28/95) for an equally
effective and much cheaper fix.
6. Angle drives
7. Trailing arm bolts
8. Fuel pump seals
9. Lucas relays
DeLorean One and DeLorean Motor Company both sell a "Relay Update Kit"
that replaces the weak relays with stronger, more reliable Bosch relays
and replace the cooling fan relay with a fused "jumper". Anyone want to
provide details?
10. Ducellier alternators
Cars prior to #4750 (?) had the Ducellier (65 amp) alternator, many by
now have been replaced with the Motorola (80 amp) unit. All DeLorean
parts places carry this item and the bracket necessary for mounting.
Greatly improves the electrical system.
11. Plastic header bottles
Also known as the coolant overflow tank. Tends to dry and crack with age,
possibly resulting in failure. Many tanks are known to have "blown" under
high pressure/temperatures. Most DeLorean parts places sell aluminum
tanks that are drop-in replacements.
12. radiator
13. door lock solenoids
14. Oxygen sensor
15. Brake light switch
Failure rate not overly high, but dangerous when inoperative. Replacement
switches are readily available, inexpensive and easy to replace.
16. Dome light fixture
Much has been written about the weak bezel of the original dome light.
Renault Fuegos have been suggested as an alternative to purchasing a new
one from a DeLorean parts supplier, and the Hummer dome light is nearly
the same. See the web page (http://www.goodnet.com/~mikasa/oldnews.html)
for details on the Hummer dome light as a replacement.
17. Clutch line
The original teflon clutch line has a tendency to "balloon" under high
temperatures, and the fact that it is run directly alongside the
radiator return hose along the frame doesn't help. Braided stainless
steel clutch lines are available from all the DeLorean parts suppliers.
Helps eliminate clutch slippage.
18. Oil pressure gauge/sending unit
19. Weak door/rear louver struts
All the gas charged struts on the car are WEAR items. That means they
WILL "wear out" over time and require replacement. They appear to "wear
out" faster in colder climates. Replacement with the proper parts is the
best way to ensure long life. Some of the DeLorean parts suppliers carry
luggage compartment and louvre struts with a lifetime warranty. All of
them carry satisfactory replacement door struts.
20. Cassette mechanism - applies mainly to the Craig units
21. Rear louver - look for rust & cracks near the strut mounts
22. Window motors
23. LED display - Craig radios
I'm looking for a volunteer to compile an "FAQ" of sorts for the common
problems we seem to get asked here on the DeLorean Mailing List (i.e.
starting
problems, dead battery, etc.). Email me if you're interested.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 10:38:37 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com>
Subject: DML: ADMIN NOTE: Subscriber count
As of this morning, there are 505 subscribers to the DeLorean Mailing
List (live or digest versions). Since some people subscribe to both, the
actual number of subscribers is a bit less.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:46:52 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON <delornut@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: DML: Ignition & Turbos
>Knut said:
>On the subject of turbo, how is ignition advance (which is vacuum
>driven) done on a turbo-equipped engine since the turbo will
>(hopefully) eliminate the intake manifold vacuum (applying some boost
>pressure instead)? Is this function eliminated on turbo-equipped cars
>or is the timing varied using some other scheme?
The initial advance is controlled by vacume but as the engine revs and the
vacume begins to dissipate centrifugal weights with return springs advance
the timing. The timing curve can be altered for turbos by changing the
springs in the distributor but that's un-flexable and while it may help
during turbo boost it may not be the most efficient when off boost. J&S
Electronics (1-714-534-6975) make a knock sensing unit which is much more
efficient. Basically it routes ignition timing through an electronic
module
that passes the ignition on to the engine based on the signals it gets
from
the knock sensor. John (the fellow who owns J&S) makes a unit specifically
for the DeLorean.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: RICHAJG@aol.com
Subject: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
Does anyone know what the age is of the youngest DeLorean Owner?
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:58:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Tester <testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
At 09:49 PM 6/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what the age is of the youngest DeLorean Owner?
>
>
>
>
I was talking to a DeLorean reseller in TN and asked her the same
question.
She said that she sold one to a 17 year old.
Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net
Homepage http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 04:17:38 UT
From: "Stephen E. Klein" <Klein98@msn.com>
Subject: DML: RE: youngest DeLorean Owner
Yes, I believe that I am the youngest DeLorean owner. I live in New York
City
and have an '81 DeLorean in mint condition that has been updated,
retooled,
refurbrished, and basically rebuilt by Steve Wynn. Oh yeah, by the way,
the
car was a birth day present for me on September 5, 1996 - I had just
turned 17
years old. Beat that!!!
-Stephen E. Klein
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From: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com on behalf of RICHAJG@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 1997 9:49 PM
To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Subject: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
Does anyone know what the age is of the youngest DeLorean Owner?
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:22:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: franka@midwest.net (Frank Augustine)
Subject: Re: DML: youngest DeLorean Owner
>Does anyone know what the age is of the youngest DeLorean Owner?
>
Hmmmm ... that's sort of acedemic isn't it??? I was going to sell my
DeLorean a few years ago until my little boy was born. I couldn't see any
reason to keep the cars I had collected just to gather dust. NOW,
however, I
have a reason to keep the cars. So, except on the title<G>, my little boy
owns the DeLorean <G>. He's only 5 years old now .... but I "gave" the car
to him ... otherwise, it would be "history" by now.
So, does the question mean the youngest DeLorean owner that has purchased
his own DeLorean or the youngest that has gotten it as a gift. Or does it
mean the youngest licensed driver that drives a DeLorean <G>
However, I don't consider him in the "running" for the youngest owner of
a "D".
Just some food for thought .... :-)
===========================================================================
=
Frank of FOTOZ Color Lab
Centralia, Illinois, USA 618-533-2244
http://www.angelfire.com/il/fotoz/fotoz.html (my business page)
http://www.angelfire.com/il/fotoz/viper.html (my Dodge Viper page)
===========================================================================
=
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:05:37 -0700
From: Murray Fisher <murrayf@bmi.net>
Subject: DML: Vanity Plate idea
I have had my D two months today and have been researching
what Vanity plates I might obtain. I found that the GOOD ones
are taken, naturally..like DMC-12. So I tried for Roman Numerals
instead and just received the plates yesterday.
I thought someone else might like the idea of DMC-XII.
Murray
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 10:30:33 -0700
From: steve brodsky <a0017673@mail.airmail.net>
Subject: DML: original owners
How many original owners do we have - I bought mine brand new sept 83
from consolidated
steve brodsky #10688
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 97 12:55:04 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@dmcnews.com>
Subject: DML: Remember the CFI?
While doing some work on the back issues, I found this...
This is the second CFI list that has suggested fixes/solutions. As you
can see, not all of the CFI have a recommended solution listed, but we
know they're out there. Comments encouraged. If you have suggestions for
additions or can share fixes/solutions, please direct them to
"espey@dmcnews.com" for inclusion in the next version of this list.
1. Gas gauge/sending units
TankZilla from PJ Grady in New York has proven itself to be an effective,
accurate replacement for the original DeLorean sending unit that requires
NO modifications to the car.
2. Clutch master/slave cylinder (brakes, too?)
3. Brake squeal
4. Door seals
Replacement door seals are readily available from parts suppliers,
(suitable non-DMC alternatives that have been mentioned include certain
Chrysler minivan rear-hatch seals) though prevention of this problem can
be accomplished by insuring your doors are properly adjusted (see
DeLorean World Vol.3 #4 for this procedure), properly closing the doors
AND having gas struts that are in good condition (see #19 below).
Adjusting the doors without replacing weak struts will NOT fix the
problem.
5. Tail light circuit boards
Most of the DeLorean parts places sell improved design circuit boards
that are "drop-in" replacements for the originals. You can also use small
nuts and bolts (see DeLorean Mailing List #006 - 8/28/95) for an equally
effective and much cheaper fix.
6. Angle drives
7. Trailing arm bolts
8. Fuel pump seals
9. Lucas relays
DeLorean One and DeLorean Motor Company both sell a "Relay Update Kit"
that replaces the weak relays with stronger, more reliable Bosch relays
and replace the cooling fan relay with a fused "jumper". Anyone want to
provide details?
10. Ducellier alternators
Cars prior to #4750 (?) had the Ducellier (65 amp) alternator, many by
now have been replaced with the Motorola (80 amp) unit. All DeLorean
parts places carry this item and the bracket necessary for mounting.
Greatly improves the electrical system.
11. Plastic header bottles
Also known as the coolant overflow tank. Tends to dry and crack with age,
possibly resulting in failure. Many tanks are known to have "blown" under
high pressure/temperatures. Most DeLorean parts places sell aluminum
tanks that are drop-in replacements.
12. radiator
13. door lock solenoids
14. Oxygen sensor
15. Brake light switch
Failure rate not overly high, but dangerous when inoperative. Replacement
switches are readily available, inexpensive and easy to replace.
16. Dome light fixture
Much has been written about the weak bezel of the original dome light.
Renault Fuegos have been suggested as an alternative to purchasing a new
one from a DeLorean parts supplier, and the Hummer dome light is nearly
the same. See the web page (http://www.goodnet.com/~mikasa/oldnews.html)
for details on the Hummer dome light as a replacement.
17. Clutch line
The original teflon clutch line has a tendency to "balloon" under high
temperatures, and the fact that it is run directly alongside the
radiator return hose along the frame doesn't help. Braided stainless
steel clutch lines are available from all the DeLorean parts suppliers.
Helps eliminate clutch slippage.
18. Oil pressure gauge/sending unit
19. Weak door/rear louver struts
All the gas charged struts on the car are WEAR items. That means they
WILL "wear out" over time and require replacement. They appear to "wear
out" faster in colder climates. Replacement with the proper parts is the
best way to ensure long life. Some of the DeLorean parts suppliers carry
luggage compartment and louvre struts with a lifetime warranty. All of
them carry satisfactory replacement door struts.
20. Cassette mechanism - applies mainly to the Craig units
21. Rear louver - look for rust & cracks near the strut mounts
22. Window motors
23. LED display - Craig radios
I'm looking for a volunteer to compile an "FAQ" of sorts for the common
problems we seem to get asked here on the DeLorean Mailing List (i.e.
starting
problems, dead battery, etc.). Email me if you're interested.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: RPET123@aol.com
Subject: DML: NEED PARTS
I have just completed a winter long complete rebuild of the entire engine
compartment after an engine fire.Engine out ,new clutch,new engine
paint,new
wires ,hoses ,ect,ect. I still need a few parts to complete. I need, (2)
louver panel grills, page 8/4/3 fig.2 #105516, (1) elect.cover page 3/7/0
fig 16 #110227. If any one has these parts to sell please E mail me
Thank you.
RayPetragallo
RPT123@AOL.COM
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:57:10 -0400
From: Rob Hook <rob_hook@pop.net>
Subject: DML: RE: Cross-Reference lists.
One more to add to our cross-reference list:
Front wheel bearings: NAPA GRW120.
- --Rob Hook
P.S. Since we're going to be searching this stuff eventually, I'll add
some key-words:
parts numbers replacement suspension
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:57:10 -0400
From: Rob Hook <rob_hook@pop.net>
Subject: DML: RE: Cross-Reference lists.
One more to add to our cross-reference list:
Front wheel bearings: NAPA GRW120.
- --Rob Hook
P.S. Since we're going to be searching this stuff eventually, I'll add
some key-words:
parts numbers replacement suspension
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