DeLorean Mailing List - 6/11/97
dmcnews-digest Wednesday, June 11 1997 Volume 02 : Number 251
In this issue:
Re: DML: Vanity Plate idea
DML: Parts for sale
DML: Re: Spark Advance
DML: ORIGINAL OWNERS
DML: Story !
DML: Oldest DMC-12 owner?
DML: Tire Inflation
Re: DML: Story !
DML: re: Fans Update
DML: Re:looking for a part
Re: DML: Story !
DML: A/C costs
DML: Jameel's Throttle
DML: DeLorean R/C car?
DML: original DMC oil filter?
Re: DML: Story !
DML: RE: PRV V6
Re: DML: Story !
DML: Car Show
Re: DML: A/C costs
Re: DML: Re:looking for a part
Re: DML: Car Show
DML: DMC Safety
DML: Allstate Prototype? (was Re: Story !)
Re: DML: Allstate Prototype? (was Re: Story !)
Re: DML: DMC Safety
DML: (was Re: Story !) Sad story that is !
DML: emissions and A/C
DML: Wanting to talk to Richard Strecker
DML: YAOF
Re: DML: DMC Safety
DML: N.J. Cruise nights
Re: DML: DMC Safety
DML: NJ Cruise Night
Re: DML: emissions and A/C
DML: Belfast//Auto Trans Trouble
DML: Bowie Maryland
DML: DMC for sale
DML: Re: Mike Pack/Matt Peak and DeLorean One
DML: RE: Engine Fans
Update
DML: Deutschland: EMS L 1
DML: DeLoreans in Museums
DML: Windshield Replacement Advice?
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Behrens427(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Vanity Plate idea
When I get my DeLorean, my plates are going to read, ADMC4ME.
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 14:39:12 -0700
From: Mike Chestnut
Subject: DML: Parts for sale
DeLorean parts for sale: Right and left front fenders, right rear corner panel,
suspension and drive trane. Please email me at MCDMC(AT)USA.net with
reasonable offers. Please use DeLorean part number, if possible. Parts are in
very good condition.
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:49:47 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON Subject: DML: Re:
Spark Advance
Matt wrote:
>I don't believe the Delorean has a centrifugal weight system for the spark
advance. The Delorean's distributor doesn't have points since it is completely
electronic.
>I still don't understand how reangling the alternator would affect spark
advance since spark advance is done in other ways.
Matt,
All distributor type ignition systems advance as the engine speed builds. The
DeLorean doesn't have points, but it does have a plate, inside the distributor,
on which the stator, pulse generator, and magnet are mounted. This plate
rotates , in the same manner as the old point style ignition systems did, as the
centrifugal weights move towards the outer wall of the distributor. By
changing the tension of the return springs on these weights
the speed and degree of this advance ( ignition curve ) can be altered. The
alternator plays no role in any of this.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:29:36 -0700
From: Scott Mueller Subject: DML: ORIGINAL
OWNERS
MY DELOREAN WAS PURCHASED ON MY 21ST BIRTHDAY IN 1981 BY
MY FATHER, HE SOLD IT TO ME IN 1995 WHEN I COULD AFFORD IT.
SCOTT MUELLER
VIN 2981
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 17:22:15 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" Subject: DML: Story !
Just thought I would share this little story with everyone. It has made be just
MAD at the world. But, it also has me very curious.
I stopped by an elderly ladies home the other day in the DMC-12 to help her
fix her VCR. She has been a friend of the family for years. After I fixed it for
her, we walked out onto lawn and she noticed the Delorean. "nice car" she
said, I was suprised that she even noticed it. Then after she looked at it for a
few minutes, she said she knew where one was at. Now I didn't really believe
that the sweet little tri-focal lady knew the difference in one car and another,
but I set out that evening to find this other car. All I had was a map that I had
written down from her memory that was taking me into the deep hills of
Eastern Kentucky. But, I was curious to atleast find another DMC owner in
the area. Well, after about a 45 min drive, I came upon the house she had
described and sitting at the side of the garage was a Delorean. I went up to the
house, rang the doorbell, but No answer. I walked over to the car and saw one
of the most sad sights I had ever seen. There was atleast 4 inches of water in
the floor, the windows were open, the passenger door was ajar, and a big crack
in the windshield. The interior was brown from all the sun/water damage,
and I couldn't find One good part in the whole interior. There were
mushrooms growing inside and on the engine bay cover. the tires had
actually fell off the rims. Even some of the body panels were green in color
from moss growing on them. OK, I'm sure I have made everyone sick
enough now. So, I drove down the road to the next house and talked to the
man that lived there. He said it had been sitting in the same place for atleast
11 years. Thats how long he had lived there. He said that everyone in the US
has been here asking about the car but the Old man will not even talk to them
about selling it, most of the time he will not even answer the door.
So, I returned the next day with a friend to maybe try one more time. I figured
maybe if he saw that I was driving a DMC, he may come out of the house.
Well, he was at home and did come out to talk. He admired my car for a few
minutes, but would not even think about selling me his car. Well, There you
have it. My depressing weekend :-(
Now, this is the strange thing. This car was kinda different than most DMC I
have looked at before. First, the side windows looked as if they opened left to
right. The center console didin't have any power window buttons, and the
engine cover was designed different and didn't have any loovers ? The hood
had a little more shape than my car which is just flat, and there were black
DMC-12 stickers on the rear fenders of the car. NOW, what kinda DMC was
this ?
I"M CONFUSED.
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:26:32 -0700
From: Murray Fisher
Subject: DML: Oldest DMC-12 owner?
Well, there is no use of me trying for being the youngest owner. So maybe I
can qualify for being the oldest. I am 76 going on 16 my wife says! I have
owned it for two months now.
BTW, our hot season is beginning...we have had temps of 92. It will get in the
low hundreds....my air conditioning works beautifully. Just like I had
hoped....it will freeze me out. After a few minutes I have to turn it down
(UP?) as it gets too cold....this is from a hot start sitting in the baking sun too. I
had assumed when I got it, that the air conditioning might not even work
and was resigned to not even having it available....the car had 3443 miles on it
and I bought it from the original owner who said he had never had it
recharged...so it sure has held its charge well. We will see.
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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:20:21 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen Subject: DML: Tire
Inflation
The owners manual provides two different sets of tire inflation
recommendations -- one for normal driving and the other for "continuous
high speed driving". In my experience with other cars, the higher range
pressures usually provide the best situation for all driving, not just the high
speed stuff. Any inflation recommendations from personal experience would
be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Marcussen
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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 19:53:57 -0700
From: e/evan/altendorf Subject: Re: DML:
Story !
On Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:22:15 PDT, "Brandon S. Moody" wrote:
NNow, this is the strange thing. This car was kinda different than most DMC
I have looked at before. First, the side windows looked as if they opened left to
right. The center console didin't have any power window buttons, and the
engine cover was designed different and didn't have any loovers ? The hood
had a little more shape than my car which is just flat, and there were black
DMC-12 stickers on the rear fenders of the car. NOW, what kinda DMC was
this ?
>I"M CONFUSED.
If what I've read is true, it's one of the prototypes. I forget where I read about
it (it was on the net somewhere). All I remember is that it had sliding
windows as you can see, and no louver. No idea how many were made ... I
guess that makes the story all the sadder.
There's a photo of an intact one at
http://members.aol.com/FearRacer/backofde.gif
in all sympathy,
- -eric
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 22:55:30 -0600
From: David Swingle Subject: DML: re: Fans
Update
Phillip124 wrote:
>From: Phillip124(AT)aol.com
>Subject: DML: Engine Fans Update
>I am trying to update my engine fans so that they come on when they
should.
>In my relay box, the relay that is on the lower row to the far left is blue.
>When I remove the relay, the sockets look like this.
(corrected - ds)
>| (ground)
>|(a) - (lite) |(b)
>- (c)
>I need to know which sockets need to be connected. Thank you all.
>Phillip
>Vin # 7134
This is the infamous cooling fan update, covered in service bulletin ST-06-
9/82. I'd recommend buying the service bulletin book (along with the parts
and tech manual) from one of the Delorean suppliers.
Hopefully your "drawing" had a slight error regading the direction of the
socket spades, I corrected it above. Make a three-legged jumper out of some
spade lugs and some #10 or #12 stranded wire, and connect the two outside
ones (a&b) to the bottom one (c) (closest to you as you look at the socket via
the passenger door). Put the blue relay in your Delorean souveiner parts box.
Only immediate effect is that the fan fail light won't flash anymore.
If the fans still don't come on jump the thermal switch in the coolant pipe on
the left side of the engine. If they come on then, replace the thermal switch.
*******The usual caveats apply. If you hook it up wrong you'll melt some
wiring or blow the fan fuses.*******
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:02:16 -0400
From: AARON1(AT)webtv.net (AARON MILLS)
Subject: DML: Re:looking for a part
I'm looking for a good used or even a cross ref. # for the a/c evaporator core.
Also I would like to see more of the vanity plates others have. mine is
michigan STAINLS.
Aaron Mills
vin 11554
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Tester
Subject: Re: DML: Story !
>Now, this is the strange thing. This car was kinda different than most DMC I
have looked at before. First, the side windows looked as if they opened left to
right. The center console didin't have any power window buttons, and the
engine cover was designed different and didn't have any loovers ? The hood
had a little more shape than my car which is just flat, and there were black
DMC-12 stickers on the rear fenders of the car. NOW, what kinda DMC was
this ?
>I"M CONFUSED.
WOW, this sounds like one of the very early prototypes. The side sliding
windows were never to my knowledge put into production. John liked the
window design that you see on all other DeLoreans better. However it would
be a very good idea for someone with cash in hand to go and try to buy the
car. If I had the money I would buy it tomorrow because of the importance of
this car in the history of DMC. If you can try to take some pictures of it and
scan them. I am sure many of us would be interested in seeing this car.
I would be more than happy to put them on my homepage.
Scott Tester testersd(AT)appstate.campus.mci.net Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
Scott Tester testersd(AT)appstate.campus.mci.net Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 22:55:34 -0600
From: David Swingle Subject: DML: A/C costs
Jameel Wrote
>Subject: Re: DML: A/C Recharging Thoughts?
>I recently had my AC recharged. I..... It cost me $170 for the whole job.
Considering the lack of cooling power it was not worth it. The only reason I
did it was to know that everything worked......
And Bill Marcussen Wrote:
>I had my system recharged just this week. Took it to my local Wal-Mart.
They charge $39.95 for the service plus $25.00 per pound of Freon. My system
was 1.5 pounds low, so my total cost was $82.70, tax included. ....
Pretty astounding difference. In the Northwest Chicago area, I was quoted $50
for evacuation and service and $40 a pound for the R12 from a radiator shop.
Kmart wants $129 flat rate including the R12, unless it leaks. At 2.25 pounds
of R12 in a DMC, about the same price. Too bad Wal-Mart here doesn't work
on cars.
Dave Swingle
dswingle(AT)enteract.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 22:55:41 -0600
From: David Swingle Subject: DML: Jameel's
Throttle
Jameel Wrote:
>Subject: DML: Idle problem
>... there is a small micro
>switch that triggers the idle when the accelerator is released a hammer that
is connected to the linkage drops and there is a small adjustment screw wich
makes contact with the micro switch causing the switch to trigger. When the
engine is off, and I play with the accelerator linkage the hammer triggers the
switch with no problem. When I turn the engine on, once I hit the gas and
release it, the hammer does not come down hard enough to trigger the
switch. I feel that the spring has worn out... I can't understand why it wont hit
the switch. NO matter how much I adjust the screw the problem still exists.
.......
A little exciting in traffic, eh?
I just ran into this over the weekend, as the result of fixing a different
problem. First, I had noticed that my accelerator would not open the throttle
all
the way, i.e. when the pedal was floored the WOT microswitch did not
actuate.
To fix this I pulled the linkage cable just a little tighter (it's on the throttle
spool under the ice shield plate, at the rear (front?) of the engine).
The process is about the same as tightening the brake cable on a bike. The
locknut is underneath. While you're in there, it would be a good idea to
diassemble the spool and lube the shaft.
Anyway, after doing this I noticed the same problem you had, i.e. with the
engine off everything was fine, but while running it would not activate the
idle switch.
The final fix was to climb under the dash (don't you love that?) and find the
gas pedal stop screw. It is what obviously limits the upwards (return)
travel of the pedal. Loosen the locknut and give the screw a turn or two.
Then tighten the locknut back down.
This will allow the pedal a little more upwards travel. I didn't want to mess
with the adjusting screws that you were adjusting, since they worked OK
when I started.
You could also try moving the throttle return spring (in the middle of the
spool) clockwise to the tighter setting, but I didn't find it necessary. If you just
release the cable adjustment, you'll probably lose wide-open- throttle. At full
release the idle microswitch should just click, and at wide-open the other one
should.
Dave Swingle
dswingle(AT)enteract.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:06:47 -0700
From: Murray Fisher
Subject: DML: DeLorean R/C car?
Does anyone have any knowledge of the DeLorean Radio Controlled Model
car as shown on Page 22 of the DeLorean World No 6 Expo 89?
I am into R/C cars and planes and would like to know if by any chance it is
still available or if anyone has one laying around they would like to
sell. I would also be interested in the Lexan Body shell in particular.
Murray Fisher murrayf(AT)bmi.net
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: GunkelWWW(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: original DMC oil filter?
Dear DML,
i'm looking for a new oil filter here in germany. First I noticed that we have
other filter numbers here than in the us :-(. But I read somewhere that the
original DeLorean oil filter is a purflux LS410 (this filter has a 3/4 inch thread
and the bypass valve is set at 14-16 psi)??
Is this true (you can also buy this from delorean one, I think)?? I can't get this
filter here in germany, is it avaiable in the us? Now I need the correct
parameters for the original DeLorean filter (size, how large is it, diameter
gasket...), to find a new filter.
thank you for help...
Markus
GunkelWWW(AT)AOL.COM
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:25:09 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines" Subject: Re: DML:
Story !
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
[sad story deleted]
>Now, this is the strange thing. This car was kinda different than most DMC I
have looked at before. First, the side windows looked as if they opened left to
right. The center console didin't have any power window buttons, and the
engine cover was designed different and didn't have any loovers ? The hood
had a little more shape than my car which is just flat, and there were black
DMC-12 stickers on the rear fenders of the car. NOW, what kinda DMC was
this ?
>I"M CONFUSED.
No, no, no, don't tell me that a prototype is decaying in this guys'
driveway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That sounds like what it is. Brandon, this is a terrible travesty if true. Can you
get pictures? This is terrible if that's what this guy has.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:31:36 -0400 (EDT) From: GunkelWWW(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: RE: PRV V6
>I've just started a project to cross-reference parts amongst the various cars
that use this motor. I'm working from a Peugept perspective as that's what I
own but certainly the completed list will be of benefit to us all. So, please
forward any info you have. I'm also interested in PRV V6 performance items.
I know the Volvo 260 2,8 Inj. Kat B28F
07.1979-07.1982
760 GLE 2,8 B28E(!);B28F Kat
02.1982-04.1986
Renault Alpine A310 V6 PRV 112 730
09.1976-06.1985
R30 TS 2,7 PRV 144
10.1976-12.1983
R30 TX 2,7 PRV 140
10.1978-12.1983
DeLorean DMC-12 :-)
Markus
GunkelWWW(AT)AOL.COM
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:20:17 -0500
From: bjr(AT)wwa.com (Billy J. Runyan)
Subject: Re: DML: Story !
It would appear you have come upon on of the 2 original prototype cars built
by DeLorean around the Allstate Insurance investment phase. I believe these
cars were built in Italy by Gugario (spelling?). I could be wrong, but your
description of the interior and the front to back windows match those cars.
The real crime is that I remember hearing that they were
valued at 40 to 50k about ten years ago. Stay tuned...
Billy J. Runyan
bjr(AT)wwa.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:06:23 -0400
From: "Marc Levy" Subject: DML: Car Show
Does anyone have any details on the New Jersey Balloon fair? If I remember
correctly, there is usualy a nice
turnout of Deloreans.
Also, if anyone is interested in getting together in Freehold, NJ for cruise
night, I am going to try and go 6/26. Last year it was discussed too late in the
year to make plans. Cruise night in Freehold is the last Thursday of every
month... Well, it was for the past few years and I have no reason to think it is
not the same this year.. Maybe I should check?!
Marc
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:03:49 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen Subject: Re: DML:
A/C costs
David Swingle wrote:
>>Subject: Re: DML: A/C Recharging Thoughts?
>In the Northwest Chicago area, I was quoted $50 for evacuation and >service
and $40 a pound for the R12 from a radiator shop. Kmart wants >$129 flat rate
including the R12, unless it leaks. At 2.25 pounds of >R12 in a DMC, about the
same price. Too bad Wal-Mart here doesn't work >on cars.
>Dave Swingle
>dswingle(AT)enteract.com
When I lived in the Chicago area (western suburbs) the best A/C
rechargevalue I found was at Jiffy Lube. Some of their stores offered service
and recharge, including up to 1 lb of Freon for about $80.00. This was a couple
of years ago, so their price might be higher today, but it's probably worth a
phone call. As I recall, not all of their shops offered this service, but I used to
use their location on Roosevelt Rd in Lombard. They were always competent
and courteous, including not charging me for the service one time when the
system needed to be repaired (they didn't offer repair service).
I hope this helps!
Bill Marcussen
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:23:09 -0500
From: bjr(AT)wwa.com (Billy J. Runyan)
Subject: Re: DML: Re:looking for a part
Also I would like to see more of the vanity plates
oothers have. mine is michigan STAINLS.
>Aaron Mills
>vin 11554
ok, mine's Illinois - MY DMC
vin 01042
Billy J. Runyan
bjr(AT)wwa.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:38:53 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines" Subject: Re: DML:
Car Show
Marc Levy wrote:
>Does anyone have any details on the New Jersey Balloon fair? If I remember
>correctly, there is usualy a nice
>turnout of Deloreans.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Don't go to the balloon show!
Last year there was one DMC (Joe's). It took TWO HOURS to leave!
Every year the show gets bigger and the traffic gets worse.
>Also, if anyone is interested in getting together in Freehold, NJ for cruise
night, I am going to try and go 6/26. Last year it was discussed too late in the
year to make plans. Cruise night in Freehold is the last Thursday of every
month... Well, it was for the past few years and I have no reason to think it is
not the same this year.. Maybe I should check?!
>Marc
Sounds good to me.
Yes..check.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:32:09 -0700
From: e/evan/altendorf Subject: DML: DMC
Safety
As a driver who likes to go fast, but still retain some measure of safety, I am
interested in learning about how safe the DMC is (compared to other small-
medium size sports cars, such as the Supra, MR2, Fiero, Z-cars, etc.).
Specifically, I am wondering about:
1.) The brakes. I've heard they are less than optimal.
2.) High-speed head-on collisions, particularly regarding the fact that the
engine is behind the passenger and driver.
3.) The doors (& windows): are they more difficult to get out of than standard
doors in the event of a roll-over or other crash?
Does anyone have any experience with or knowledge of DMCs in major
accidents? Anyone ever done safety modifications (new brakes, maybe ABS,
possibly air bags, 4-point safety belts, etc.)?
Thanks,
- -eric
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 08:47:10 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Allstate Prototype? (was Re: Story !)
>It would appear you have come upon on of the 2 original prototype cars
built by DeLorean around the Allstate Insurance investment phase. I believe
these cars were built in Italy by Gugario (spelling?). I could be wrong, but your
description of the interior and the front to back windows match those cars.
The real crime is that I remember hearing that they were valued at 40 to 50k
about ten years ago. Stay tuned...
I'd be *really* surprised if this was one of the Bill Collins prototypes.
DMC/DMCL made several sliding window prototype cars. The switch to a
power window was made pretty late in the game, I recall.
At the Barrett-Jackson auction here in 1996, a sliding window pre-production
car sold for $20,000.
In any case, it would be very interesting to see some pictures and know some
of history behind this particular car.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MICHAEL BABB
Subject: Re: DML: Allstate Prototype? (was Re: Story !)
The other thing I would be interested in is the interior...did the car have the
same dash board style as the production D's or was there a funky (and in my
opinion ugly) knee restraint thingy under the dash....I will go try to go look at
some books and see if there were any other major differences...and try to
describe them better...
Michael Babb, MCSE
Microsoft Technical Education
Computer Decisions Inc.
Phone 919.460.7604
Alpha Pager (Raleigh) 919.389.2695
mikebabb(AT)vnet.net
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:23:20 -0400
From: Mike Substelny Subject: Re: DML: DMC
Safety
Here are a few comments on your questions. Remember, I'm not an accident
expert, just a regular guy with a DeLorean.
>1.) The brakes. I've heard they are less than optimal.
The DeLorean brakes are excellent. When the car came out in 1981 many
magazine reviews gave the DeLorean braking system outstanding marks.
Personally I am very happy with the brakes. Any reports of problems are most
likely due to improper maintenance.
>2.) High-speed head-on collisions, particularly regarding the fact that the
engine is behind the passenger and driver.
The DeLorean was built for collision safety. I don't have any statistics or test
results, but I expect that the dual body structure (stainless shell on GRP body)
plus front crumple zones makes the DeLorean extremely crash safe.
>3.) The doors (& windows): are they more difficult to get out of than
standard doors in the event of a roll-over or other crash?
It would be pretty hard to roll-over a DeLorean, but if you did it would be
VERY difficult to open the doors with the car inverted. I heard that DMC
actually did tests to prove it was possible, but I never want to try! You might
open the windows to yell for help, but I doubt that any human could crawl
through them. This is my plan in case of a roll-over:
1) Reach behind me and grab my fire extinguisher (mounted
behind the cargo net).
2) Smash out the windshield with it.
3) Crawl through.
In my book, every driver of every car should have a fire extinguisher on
hand. For the DeLorean it is especially important because you might need to
smash the windshield with it someday. Anyone who doesn't carry a fire
extinguisher in their DeLorean is living dangerously.
- -Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 16:20:05 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" Subject: DML: (was Re:
Story !) Sad story that is !
>The other thing I would be interested in is the interior...did the car have the
same dash board style as the production D's or was there a funky (and in my
opinion ugly) knee restraint thingy under the dash....I will go try to go look at
some books and see if there were any other major differences...and try to
describe them better...
Well, seems like my story was of interest of many people. I will try to get back
over there next month and maybe take a picture. In the meantime I'm
pondering on my next plan of attack to get the car. As for your question
about the "knee restraint thingy", I didn't really notice. Too much mud,
leaves,
and water standing in the car for me to notice. You never know what may be
living
in there :-) !!
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:40:12 -0400
From: James Senft
Subject: DML: emissions and A/C
Wanted to thank all the suggestions I received on getting my Delorean thru
Maryland emissions. On 4th try, it made it on the HC test (219 wity 221 fail).
Essentially EVERYTHING was done to it, and it still barely made it. I have
heard that others show 0 on this test. Oh well, good for another 2 years.
Now that we have hit 90 degrees, I have an air conditioner question. My A/C
cycles on and off every 3 seconds. A/C shop checked for leaks (found none),
topped off freon (needed extremely little), checked all plugs, connectors, etc.
But there continues to be a definite 3 second cycle with definite relay click
behind passenger seat (relays all updated). It appears to cool fine, just that
damn cycle! A/C shop said that this is probably the way it is. Others???
Thanks Jim Senft
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:03:18 -0500
From: "Michael M. Stark" Subject: DML: Wanting to
talk to Richard Strecker
Richard Strecker posted an article in DMC News about a year ago about
brakes. I'd like to talk to him about his post. Email address is no good now. If
you see this Richard or anyone knowing him does email me or call 773-583-
8660.
Michael Stark
#20103
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:24:25 -0400
From: James Senft
Subject: DML: YAOF
(Yet Another Oil Filter).
A dedicated parts counter guy at Volvo found a cross match oil filter.
Try Bosch 72150 (Markus are you listening)
Tried it and it fits perfectly, no sender mods required.
Jim
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:45:30 -0400 (EDT) From: MICHAEL BABB
Subject: Re: DML: DMC Safety
<<>>>>
>It would be pretty hard to roll-over a DeLorean, but if you did it would be
VERY difficult to open the doors with the car inverted. I heard that DMC
actually did tests to prove it was possible, but I never want to try! You might
open the windows to yell for help, but I doubt that any human could crawl
through them. This is my plan in case of a roll-over:
<<>>>
Mike....you don't want to roll your D over to prove that it can be done? ;) I
thought that the windshield was made to be easily kicked out in the event of
flipping....any insite on this anyone????
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:35:16 -0400
From: DMC12
Subject: DML: N.J. Cruise nights
Can someone please post the meeting place in Freehold for the cruise nights
and what time they start 6/26 sounds good to me, I only live 30 min. away
from Freehold Let's try to get this together with all interested local DeLorean
owners Thanx
Doug Venner
83 DeLorean #15880
78 MG Midget
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:07:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nikki Schumann
Subject: Re: DML: DMC Safety
MICHAEL BABB wrote:
>Mike....you don't want to roll your D over to prove that it can be done? ;) I
thought that the windshield was made to be easily kicked out in the event of
flipping....any insite on this anyone????
Rubber sealed windscreens are dead easy to kick out from the interior. Glued
ones like they come more frequently in modern cars are a lot harder. Dunno
how the D windscreen is fixed but if it's sealed with the rubber, all you need
to do is put both feet up on it while sitting in one of the seats and PUSH. The
thing will pop out instantly aided by the concave shape (from inside)
especially if it already has a crack in it. I did this some time ago
to replace a cracked windscreen on my car (not a D) and it worked fine. - --------
------------------------------------------ Nikki Schumann --- mail:
Nikki.Schumann(AT)wanadoo.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/nikki.schumann/WELCOME.HTM - ---------------------
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Starman
Subject: DML: NJ Cruise Night
Hi all,
Every Wednesday at the Burger King on Passaic Ave. in Kearny is a Cruise
Night. This is run by some of the people I met at the show two weekends ago.
I was thinking about going tomorrow night. Anyone else up for it?
Mike
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:38 -0400
From: DMC12
Subject: Re: DML: emissions and A/C
James Senft wrote:
>(SNIP)
>Now that we have hit 90 degrees, I have an air conditioner question. My
A/C cycles on and off every 3 seconds. A/C shop checked for leaks (found
none), topped off freon (needed extremely little), checked all plugs,
connectors, etc. But there continues to be a definite 3 second cycle with
definite relay click behind passenger seat (relays all updated). It appears to cool
fine, just that damn cycle! A/C shop said that this is probably the way it is.
Others??? =
>Thanks Jim Senft
The Cycle switch(mounted on the acummulator in the right front wheel
well) is adjustable. If you unplug the connector you will see a screw in the
switch. If you are sure it has a full charge, hook up a set of manifold gauges to
the low side fitting and turn the screw until the compressor kicks off at about
20-23 or so psi. This should make the compressor kick off at 20-23 psi and back
on at 40-45 psi like it should.
Doug Venner
83 #15880
78 MG Midget =
New Jersey
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:47:32 -0400 (EDT) From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: Belfast//Auto Trans Trouble
Hello all
I must say that I had the best trip of my life in Belfast Northern Ireland. As
Jim, Scott, Chris, and I walked around the plant Jim said "You can almost feel
it." The production lines where the body trim and chassie trim lines were, are
covered over with cement. Some owners scraped off the epoxy from the floor.
We even found the executive offices, and DeLorean cinema which are in
poor condition.
I hate to say this, and I shouldn't but a very close friend of JZD at the Eurofest
said that he has prostate cancer, and is sick. Lets wish him good health. He did
look good in the interview.
My automatic has some problems. I replaced the gover. computer, filter, and
gaskets. put 3 1/2 quarts of fluid in and the car will not move. It ran fine
before except for the slippage with bad gov. computer but will not
move. I inspected the selector lever arm, and cleaned the shift solonoids. No
reverse, or forward in any gear. Could it be the pump, or the vacume
modulator? There were no signs of metal in the pan.
IN ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE RECENT TALK OF
DELOREAN ONE. I CALLED ED BERSTEIN AND HE DID NOT WANT TO
SPEAK WITH ME. I THINK THAT ED HAS ME CONFUSED WITH
ANOTHER PERSON WITH THE SAME INITIALS OR SIMILAR E-MAIL
ADDRESS. ED SAID THAT HE HAS READ MY POSTINGS ABOUT
DELOREAN ONE. IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS A POSTING FROM ME
ABOUT DELOREAN ONE PLEASE MAIL A COPY OF IT TO ME. I'M SURE
THAT I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT A DELOREAN
SERVICE FACILITY, DMC GARDENGROVE, PJ GRADY, DMC HUSTON OR
D1.
ED YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE SEEN MY POSTINGS. WHEN AND
WHERE DID YOU SEE MY POSTINGS ABOUT YOUR SERVICE FACILITY?
Sincerely
Michael Pack
410-551-3107
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:51:00 -0400 (EDT) From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: Bowie Maryland
Bowie British Car Day
Sunday June 22, 1997
Allens Pond Park
Bowie Maryland
20 mInutes from Capital Beltway
There were 10 DMCs last year. Over 700 cars from all British marques. call me
for more info, or look in the recent DeLorean World for onfo.
Sincerely
Mike Pack
#3713
410-551-3107
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: DMC for sale
1981 Grey leather. Perfect stainless steel no dings or scratches. needs a new
binnacle. 18,0018 miles. Automatic Vin is in 6000 series. Car is avail. to see in
Maryland. Make me an offer!
Mike Pack
410-551-3107
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 07:26:09 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Re: Mike Pack/Matt Peak and DeLorean One
>IN ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE RECENT TALK OF
DELOREAN ONE. I CALLED ED BERSTEIN AND HE DID NOT WANT TO
SPEAK WITH ME. I THINK THAT ED HAS ME CONFUSED WITH
ANOTHER PERSON WITH THE SAME INITIALS OR SIMILAR E-MAIL
ADDRESS. ED SAID THAT HE HAS READ MY POSTINGS ABOUT
DELOREAN ONE. IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS A POSTING FROM ME
ABOUT DELOREAN ONE PLEASE MAIL A COPY OF IT TO ME. I'M SURE
THAT I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT A DELOREAN
SERVICE FACILITY, DMC GARDENGROVE, PJ GRADY, DMC HUSTON OR
D1.
>ED YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE SEEN MY POSTINGS. WHEN AND
WHERE DID YOU SEE MY POSTINGS ABOUT YOUR SERVICE FACILITY?
Mike Pack/Matt Peak, I had this same confusion when I was headed for
Belfast and was telling people whose name the hotel room was under.
Before I resigned from the DOA board, I had contact with Ed on a regular basis
and he would often comment on things that he had read on the DML. At the
time, I knew that he had no internet access and he made it sound like he had
neither the time nor the inclination to get online. I asked him how he knew
these things and it came out that other list members faxed him copies of
things of interest.
There are several DOA board members on the list, including Hank Breer,
John Truscott, Linda Porter, Debbie Spurlin, Ray Haug and David Knudson,
all of whom I believe are customers of DeLorean One. In spite of his new web
site, I still don't believe that Ed is online, and certainly not a subscriber.
I don't recall if Mike ever had any comments about D1. After meeting Mike
in Belfast, I'd be surprised if he did.
James
PS - whoever is faxing Ed copies, please send this along in your next batch.
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:55:03 -0400 (EDT) From: GunkelWWW(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: RE: Engine Fans Update
A addition to the fan fail module bypass....
>I am trying to update my engine fans so that they come on when they
should.
>In my relay box, the relay that is on the lower row to the far left is blue.
>When I remove the relay, the sockets look like this. I need to know which
sockets need to be connected.
Connect the left with the right to the lower Contact (2 + 4 + 5).
1|
2| 3| 4|
: :
:--------|--------:
5
And when you would like to see when the fans start/stop you should also
jumper the contact in the middle (2 + 3 + 4 + 5). This (3) is the contact for the
fan fail warning light. Now every time the fans run the light is on. I use this
to be sure that the fans getting power
when the engine is hot.
1|
2| 3| 4|
: : :
:--------|--------:
5
Markus
GunkelWWW(AT)AOL.COM
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:43:20 -0700
From: e/evan/altendorf Subject: DML:
Deutschland: EMS L 1
When I was in Germany a couple years ago, I was visiting a castle (I forget
which one) and on the way back to the car I passed a DMC in the parking lot.
Of course I had my picture taken, and I just now thought that maybe the
owner is on this list. Are you there? The liscense plate was (from my photo)
EMS L 1. Also, it had no louver. (?)
- -eric.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 11:58:46 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: DeLoreans in Museums
At one time or another there was discussion of DeLoreans in museums. I
know of a few, but does anyone know of a book or direcotry of museums that
might indicate whether or not they have a DeLorean?
James
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: GullWinged(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Windshield Replacement Advice?
OK everyone, I hope someone has dealt with this before and can offer
suggestions. As many of you may remember, a rock chipped my windshield
last year and I travelled to KAPAC to buy a replacement NOS windshield.
I have not had any luck finding any area glass companies that are willing to
install the new windshield and accept responsibility if it should crack by
chance when they install it. My original windshield now has two long
vertical cracks in it and must be replaced before I renew the license plates
(DMC-12) next month. I am seriously considering pulling the old glass and
installing the NOS part myself, but I need some guidance in order to do so.
Has anyone attempted the same thing before? And if so, can you offer an
opinion or advice on me doing it myself? Also, is the DMC windshield sealed
with a rubber strip or urethane sealant?
Thanks!
Chase Clark
'81 DMC-12
VIN#1529
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