Wednesday, June 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 374
In this issue:
Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Re: DML: cruise-control and paint
Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
DML: BTTF Items
Re: DML: Jumper wire
Re: DML: Hot Wheels
DML: driving with the doors up
Re: DML: BTTF Items
Re: DML:Texas or Okl. travelers
Re: DML: Sticky Steering
Re: DML: BTTF Items
Re: DML: cruise-control and paint
DML: Re: Jumper wire
Re: DML: hornzilla?
DML: Re: driving with the doors up
DML: Re: Re: "Sticky Steering"
DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
Re: DML: DMC Kit Web page
Re: DML: driving with the doors up
DML: DeLorean 95' Desktop Theme
DML: Insuring a DeLorean
DML: Relays
DML: Re: PREMO DERLOEAN FOR SALE VIN # 5094
DML: Caravan Web page.
Re: DML: driving with the doors up
DML: DeLorean in Matlock
Re: DML: driving with the doors up
DML: Re: Driving with Doors Up
DML: Re: driving with the doors up
RE: DML: Hot Wheels
Re: DML: driving with the doors up
DML: Rear Windows
DML: Re: DMC in what countries?
DML: DeLorean Lettering
DML: Cincinnati Trip
DML: DMC Kit Web page
DML: Power doors?
DML: RE: Re: Jumper wire
DML: 1979 delorean????
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:51:26 EDT From: GullwingD(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Thats another thing, most of the sounds from the car werent from the car!
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:49:34 EDT From: GullwingD(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Sorry thats what i meant, 130 HP!
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:15:51 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: Re: DML: cruise-control and paint
Marc A Levy wrote: > > Gold? With a brown interior? > > If this is true, and I think it is unlikely, The guy who painted it, and > changed the interior is a real moron. > > There were 2 AMEX gold Deloreans. and I think there was a third built > from the leftover parts. It is it true, this would make a fourth gold > Delorean. > > EJH555(AT)aol.com wrote: > > > > I was also wondering if you can remove the paint, my friend said that at > his > > brother's house, one of his neighbors was selling a red DeLorean with a > > black > > interior, then he said that it used to be gold, with a brown interior.
It probably was painted gold.
Scott
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:30:14 +0100 From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101(AT)york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
You can make your D sound like that simply by removing the muffler. (and maybe the catalytic converter) Those over here with the re-piped exhaust manifolds *apparently* sound like the car(s) in the film(s).
Martin
cliff wallace wrote:
> GullwingD(AT)aol.com wrote: > > > > Who sayed that? Non of the DeLoreans used in the back to the future > > trilogy > > are Supercharged, they were all regular V6 190 HP engine D's. > > I said that. But I said the DeLorean, in which they used six for the > Back to the Future Trilogy, had Doc Brown's supercharged engine meaning > the roar from the engine heard throughout the movie was Hollywood sound > effects. > But the "regular" V6 engine is only 130 HP not 190, unless it has been > turbo charged. > Cliff #3773
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:44:48 -0400 From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom(AT)mitchellco.com> Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Another point, I'm no wiz on movie making but almost everysound you hear in a movie is created on a sound stage. The people who create these sounds are called folly artist or something like that. Anyway, my point is that the sound used for the D in the BTTF movies most likely is something else other than the D's engine. For example, sound for the tornadoes in Twister was a colaboration of animal sounds amongst other sounds to make that sound. People walking, their feet noise happens in post production. Another more related example is the Ford "POS" (i'm quoting here it is not actually a Piece Of S#!*) in the movie Men In Black. That has an incredible (added/enhanced/whatever) rumble as it drives up.
- -Shannon
> ---------- > From: Martin Gutkowski (UK) > Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Sent: Monday, June 8, 1998 5:30 PM > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows > > You can make your D sound like that simply by removing the muffler. > (and > maybe the catalytic converter) Those over here with the re-piped > exhaust > manifolds *apparently* sound like the car(s) in the film(s). > > Martin > > cliff wallace wrote: > > > GullwingD(AT)aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Who sayed that? Non of the DeLoreans used in the back to the > future > > > trilogy > > > are Supercharged, they were all regular V6 190 HP engine D's. > > > > I said that. But I said the DeLorean, in which they used six for > the > > Back to the Future Trilogy, had Doc Brown's supercharged engine > meaning > > the roar from the engine heard throughout the movie was Hollywood > sound > > effects. > > But the "regular" V6 engine is only 130 HP not 190, unless it has > been > > turbo charged. > > Cliff #3773
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:21:28 -0500 From: steve r <stephenr(AT)net-2000.net> Subject: DML: BTTF Items
I just thought of an idea on how we can get BTTF stuff. The only
good place I know of to get BTTF items is the BTTF store in Universal.
The idea is, next time I or someone else is out there, I could take
orders for people that want a BTTF item but don't have the time to goto
universal themselves. Maybe if someone lives out near one of the
universal theme parks they could go out and buy the stuff.
I just thought this would be a neat idea for those of you that want
stuff but haven't the time to go all the way out to universal. Please
email me if you think you might be interested.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:58:22 -0800 From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm(AT)compctr.ccs.csus.edu> Subject: Re: DML: Jumper wire
Josh wrote:
> After my D got back from the shop, I found that they had removed the three > way jumper wire that was in place of the fan fail relay. I went to put it > back in but there is five or six different slots that the three wires > could go into. I started to try all the different combinations that I > could think of, but could somebody please look at theirs and tell me? Its > the relay in the lower left hand corner.
I recently had my relay jumper device fail because of a bad crimp, so I have spent a lot of time recently with the electrical part of the cooling system while trying to locate the trouble. Let me see if I can make an ASCII diagram of the relay connector:
_____________ | || | | 1|| | |-----Fuse----2 | | | | || || || | 5-----X-----3 (optional) |2|| 3|| 4|| | | | | |-----Fuse----4 | 5 XXXX | 1=GND 2=Right fan 3= Fan Fail Light 4=Left fan |_____________| 5=Power IN (on any time the IGN is on)
Facing the electrical access area from the passenger seat, you need to have a double set of FUSED jumpers that run from the power input of the relay at the bottom connector to each of the sockets on the left and right sides. Do NOT put anything in the upper center connector or you'll ground out the whole car. Buy 2 in-line automotive 20 amp fuses and crimp a blue spade lug onto one end of each fuse wire. Then solder the other 2 fuse wires together after you have thinned down number of strands in each wire a bit. Then crimp the soldered connection into a yellow spade lug. Since these crimp connectors are in themselves a point of failure, you may want to solder the wires and crimp them on all the lugs. That's how mine failed. The wires were too big to both fit into the yellow connector so someone just jammed the wires into the connector and did a poor crimp. All the strands from both wires are too big to fit the Yellow spade lug (anyone ever seen a next size up from 'yellow'?). If you want to know when your fans are running, solder on 1 more wire and a spade connector from the power input of the relay and plug it into the connector just above the power input lug. Then, every time the fans come on, the 'Cooling Fan Fail' light will come on. Just use some black tape to cover the word 'Fail'.
What's best is to have the 'Fanzilla' kit. It's amazing how much of a load those 2 fans cause when they come on. Being rather broke at the moment and needing to spend my DeLorean money on a new cooling bottle, and tires ASAP, I have not been able to buy one myself. Does anyone know if the construction of one of these devices was covered at one time?
- ------------------------------------------------------- Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911 'OUTTIME' Sacramento, CA kenm(AT)csus.edu "When the wind gets under these wings Operating You will feel what freedom brings" Systems Analyst From 'On-Air' Alan Parsons (916) 278-7646 http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm - -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:30:02 -0700 From: bpayne(AT)macnet.com (Brandon J. Payne) Subject: Re: DML: Hot Wheels
I am sixteen now, but when I was little, the first Hot Wheels car that I got was one of the Hot Wheels DeLoreans. It was a red one with the number 10 on it. Unfortunately, it is now pretty scratched up. I am pretty sure that it was modeled after the DeLorean prototype, because it has no louvre, and looks just like the shape in pictures I've seen. - ---------------Brandon J. Payne--------------- - ----------(the "J" is for "Jenius")-----------
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: jeremiah falles <dmc_racing_lmtd(AT)yahoo.com> Subject: DML: driving with the doors up
dear dml, i need help settling an arguement between a friend and myself. my friend is always driving around town in his d with the doors up. i keep telling him to close the doors because of the lack of side impact protection and scrapes from trees. i also tell him that driving with the doors up ruins the torsion bars. he says im full of hogwash. who's right? how do i convince him to close the doors? thanks for any help. razzz no vin yet...
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:24:42 EDT From: Torbeck911(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: BTTF Items
im going to universal studios florida in late october
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:57:15 -0700 From: Jordan Gary <jordang(AT)wf.quik.com> Subject: Re: DML:Texas or Okl. travelers
Is anybody leaving to Cincinnati from Tex or Okl that would like to meet up along the way. I will being going thru Okla City on Thursday. Jordan Gary: tele 940-761-2527 or 940-696-0872
> >
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:08:18 -0700 From: Jordan Gary <jordang(AT)wf.quik.com> Subject: Re: DML: Sticky Steering
I fixed my sticky steering problem. I called one of the DMC mechanics, Jerry Rine, and he told me that the most common problem is with the U-joint in the steering collum that is just above the steering rack. He tells me that he always sprays oil on these two U-joints under the car every time that he works on a car. They can been seen if you remove the drivers front wheel. He also said that if the boots on the steering rack are in good condition, then there should be enough oil in the rack. When the boots go bad, oil can leak out and they need to be repalced and new oil put in. He said that oil could be squirted in and the boot replaced while the rack is on the car. I oiled these joints and the bushing at the bulkhead, and the problem was fixed. Jordan Gary
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:32:58 -0500 From: steve r <stephenr(AT)net-2000.net> Subject: Re: DML: BTTF Items
Isn't that when there supposed to be having Future Fest 98?
Torbeck911(AT)aol.com wrote:
> im going to universal studios florida in late october
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:00:21 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: Re: DML: cruise-control and paint
No! No! No! Removal of paint on a DeLorean results in negative results. Joe/DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: EJH555(AT)aol.com > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: Re: DML: cruise-control and paint > Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 2:37 PM > > I was also wondering if you can remove the paint, my friend said that at his > brother's house, one of his neighbors was selling a red DeLorean with a > black > interior, then he said that it used to be gold, with a brown interior.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:16:57 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Jumper wire
Josh, Looking down at the blue socket the common wire goes into the bottom (horizontal slot), the two remaining leads go to the left and right vertical sockets. Joe/DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: Josh Price <pricej(AT)ucs.orst.edu> > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: DML: Jumper wire > Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 7:49 PM > > After my D got back from the shop, I found that they had removed the three > way jumper wire that was in place of the fan fail relay. I went to put it > back in but there is five or six different slots that the three wires > could go into. I started to try all the different combinations that I > could think of, but could somebody please look at theirs and tell me? Its > the relay in the lower left hand corner. > > Thanks! > > Josh Price > VIN 10242
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:45:04 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: Re: DML: hornzilla?
Brandon, Horns are regulated by the DOT but I don't have the spec's. The reason for a high and low tone combination is strictly aesthetic. When you listen to music, different instruments or voices singing together sounds more pleasing than a single monotone voice or instrument. As an experiment, un-plug one of your horns so that only one is operating, you will immediately hear the difference. Joe/DeLorean Services - ---------- > From: Brandon S. Moody <bsmoody(AT)kih.net> > To: DMC List <dmcnews(AT)world.std.com> > Subject: Re: DML: hornzilla? > Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 5:32 PM > > > The real problem I seem to be encountering is the lack of basic horn > > information. There are lots of horns, with various db ratings and High > > pitch, Low pitch, but I don't understand anything about horns, why is a > > high +low recommended as opposed to say two High or two low units. What if > > any is the db range permitted? are there DOT rules that deal with auto > > horns? > > Car horns are not intended to provide "music for our ears". They > are a warning and attention getter. A high note combined with a > low note creates a disturbing sound that gets your attention, just > like a piano player that hits a wrong note. If you use 2 high notes > or 2 horns of similar pitch, then you will create a chord. which may > sound nice, but will not get as much attention. > > -Brandon
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:51:22 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: driving with the doors up
Jeremiah, Driving with the doors up is not recommended. Driving at low speeds, such as parades is OK, driving at high speed or over rough roads will not harm the torsion bars, its the retainers that the struts are attached to that may be damaged. Replacement of these retainers is involved and costly. Several states have restrictions on driving with doors open and lastly when the doors are open they are at "head level", meaning that they could strike a pedestrian in the head. Joe/DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: jeremiah falles <dmc_racing_lmtd(AT)yahoo.com> > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: DML: driving with the doors up > Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 2:12 PM > > dear dml, > i need help settling an arguement between a friend and myself. my > friend is always driving around town in his d with the doors up. i > keep telling him to close the doors because of the lack of side impact > protection and scrapes from trees. i also tell him that driving with > the doors up ruins the torsion bars. he says im full of hogwash. who's > right? how do i convince him to close the doors? > thanks for any help. > razzz > no vin yet... > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free (AT)yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:32:17 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Re: "Sticky Steering"
There has been several postings about "sticky steering", in some cases there maybe a problem in the steering system but in most cases it is a minor problem. Do not have anyone service your rack until you have done this test. There is a rubber grommet (bushing) at the base of the steering column where it goes through the fire wall. As the rubber hardens over time the column sticks when turned and makes the steering wheel stick, it is sometimes associated with a squeaking noise. To determine weather or not this is you problem give the bushing a shot of WD-40, if the problem goes away you have found the problem. The WD-40 or any other lubricant is a temporary fix, the problem will return, the solution is to replace the bushing. Joe/DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: Matt Peak <mpeak(AT)ucla.edu> > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com; raa25(AT)snowcrest.net > Subject: DML: Re: "Sticky Steering" > Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 5:04 PM > > In reference to this posting: > > >Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:55:26 -0700 > >From: "Rod" <raa25(AT)snowcrest.net> > >Subject: DML: "Sticky Steering" > > > >Hello, > > > >I've owned my Delorean for about 4 months now and I love it. I've never = > >had any problems. the only complaint I have is that the Steering seems = > >to "sticky" ( that's only way I can discibe it) When you go to turn, = > >it's not smooth. It's a real pain going down the freeway because you = > >have to keep correcting yourself.=20 > > > >Has anyone else had this problem? > > Rod, > I had this same problem and didn't realize it until I had my car > into > Delorean Motor Center and Don Steiger showed me how smooth a Delorean > should steer vs. the way mine was steering. While my car was on the rack, > he moved the wheels left and right, pointing out how stiff it was. He said > that this starts to happen if the steering isn't lubricated and the > lubricant becomes old. He offered two solutions: 1) thoroughly lubricate > all of the steering joints, or if that doesn't work 2) replace the steering > rack. After lubing the joints (including all hidden joints located in the > rubber booting), Don worked my steering back and forth about twenty times. > Driving home I noticed a HUGE difference. This seems to have cured my > problem. > > Call Don at Delorean Motor Center in Garden Grove. I'm sure he can give > you more details. > > Matt Peak
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:24:37 -0700 From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye(AT)creativeworlds.com> Subject: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
FYI: Last November, I 'requested' that amazon.com locate Stainless Steel Illusion for me. Well, a perfect copy just arrived today for only $99! It took awhile, but I must say I was impressed with their service. I've probably spent over $3000 in books with them over the past 12 months, and they've always amazed me.
Also, has anyone notified the press in Cincinatti or Columbus in regards to our gathering? Will anyone be available to drive ahead of the warehouse caravan to get us passing on the highway? These video clips would be great for the dmcnews website.
- -Daniel McGauley
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:51:21 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: DMC Kit Web page
At 04:13 PM 6/7/98 EDT, you wrote: > Hi, Why is it that i cant get in to the web site? Can you send me a link >to it? > > > The site is not open at the moment. When it is open you will get a Blue welcome screen for "Totalimmersion", in the lower right corner you will find a DMC logo, just click on it. If it is open you will be at the DeLorean Kit site.
The ISP for this site is having problems with some of it's client servers........
Thanks
Lee
Radiance Software International 1726 Francisco Street Berkeley California 94703 USA Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613 lseiler(AT)radiance.com
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:00:20 EDT From: JSung55032(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: driving with the doors up
LOL.... that is funny tell your friend that leaving the doors up while driving around will leave him a delorean with no doors at all... he's bound to lose them eventually by hitting something good luck LOL
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:22:55 -0700 From: Mostafa Sayed <phoenixl(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: DeLorean 95' Desktop Theme
Hi fellow DML'ers,
Just a week ago I released the first ever DeLorean Desktop theme for
Windows 95'. You can download it from my site at
http://members.tripod.com/~Phoenix007/index.html If you do not have MS
Plus! I have included an installer for it.
If you downloaded it before 6/9/98 I have released the first patch
for it. You may have noticed there were no backgrounds, go to my site to
download the patch which will add the backgrounds. The full version is
also fixed.
This is really nice theme so far from which I have heard from others
who downloaded it. It will make a great addition to your desktop.
Mostafa
http://members.tripod.com/~Phoenix007/index.html
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:01:32 -0700 From: "Sean R. Manning" <mannings(AT)premier1.net> Subject: DML: Insuring a DeLorean
Hi all!
I was wondering if any owners out there would share their experience with insuring their DeLoreans. I'm interesting in owning one but before I go on the big hunt for one I'd like to know how insurance companies view DeLoreans. I have this fear that if it got totalled or stolen my insurance would only give me $1000 or something crazy like that. Thanks a bunch. :)
Sean Manning
MODERATOR'S NOTE: There is tons of information on this in the back issues since this question comes up all the time. Please check the back issues for information on your question.
Knut
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:03:02 -0700 From: "Stephen Jaeger" <sjaeger01(AT)sprynet.com> Subject: DML: Relays
I am the fourth owner of my '81 Delorean. I have been considering replacing the relays due to a problem with the A/C short cycling and because of the horror stories I've heard regarding fires starting in this area. I hate to shell out the $200 if they are not needed. Is there a way to tell what generation relays I have? The A/C was just redone (converted to 134a) by the last owner, so I am pretty sure the charge is OK.
Thanks Steve
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:51:08 EDT From: RFHawk(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Re: PREMO DERLOEAN FOR SALE VIN # 5094
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 07:36:07 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: DML: Caravan Web page.
I lost the URL. Can someone re-post the Caravan to Ohio page?
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:23:31 +0100 (BST) From: The DMC-12 <msg101(AT)york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: DML: driving with the doors up
The side impact protection comes from the high sill - present because of the gullwing doors, but it's that and not the doors that give the protection. (Well, of course having the doors down will offer more protection than thin air :-)
Driving with the doors open is okay at slow speeds, but going fast enough to allow the doors to get blown about in the wind will put a strain on the hinges, though someone else might be able to answer as to if this in turn strains the torsion bar. I don't know.
Best Wishes,
Martin
====================================================================== | | | "Because we do not know when we will die, | | we think of life as an inexhaustible well..." | | | | -- Brandon Lee | | | | | | Martin Gutkowski | | 24 Second Avenue | | Heworth | | York, YO3 0RS | | ENGLAND | | Tel: +44(0)1904 431856 | | Mobile: +44 (0)976 619759 | | | ======================================================================
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 09:53:20 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: DeLorean in Matlock
According to the Matlock episode guide at:
http://www.avimall.com/entertain/Matlock2.txt
The very first episode of Matlock's third season (1988-1989) was called "The Lemon" and it's synopsis says:
Matlock's attitude toward his new neighbor Les sours when
Les (Don Knotts) is accused of murdering the used-car dealer
who sold him a lemon.
I assume this is the episode with the DeLorean. I am surprised that it was made so long ago . . . the DeLorean was just a few years old!
Unlike The Simpsons, I could not find a newsgroup, discussion page, or broadcast schedule for Matlock. This will make it difficult to figure out when "The Lemon" might be shown, and I am sure some of us would like to tape it.
I have never seen the episode myself, but it is obvious that this story must feature a few exaggerated gags at the DeLorean's expense. As I said last time this came up, if they had portrayed the DeLorean as an ordinary car that never needed any special care and attention, we DeLorean owners would have laughed at their ignorance.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 09:51:30 PDT From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody(AT)kih.net> Subject: Re: DML: driving with the doors up
> dear dml, > i need help settling an arguement between a friend and myself. my > friend is always driving around town in his d with the doors up. i > keep telling him to close the doors because of the lack of side impact > protection and scrapes from trees. i also tell him that driving with > the doors up ruins the torsion bars. he says im full of hogwash. who's > right? how do i convince him to close the doors? > thanks for any help. > razzz
I don't think he is going to harm the torsion bars at all. BUT, doing that is really bad for the lower strut mount. The mount is a weak design anyway. most cars show signs of bending and some even break. So, I would guess that if he does this often, then the same is more pronounced on his car. Also, if he hits many pot holes or bumps in the road, there is a chance of springing the door or getting it out of alignment. If safety is your concern, then just get a Bricklin :-) Sorry guys, Its still my favorite toy.
- -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:44:37 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: Driving with Doors Up
Razz said: > . . . my friend is always driving around town in his d with the > doors up. i keep telling him to close the doors because of the > lack of side impact protection and scrapes from trees. i also > tell him that driving with the doors up ruins the torsion bars.
It is common to see DeLoreans driving with their doors up in a parade. I have done that myself. Of course a parade is very slow, literally walking speed, and has almost no chance of a side impact collision. For daily driving I wouldn't dream of leaving my doors up simply because it is so unsafe.
It takes a tough tree to put a scratch on stainless steel, but scrapes are possible and they do happen now and then. It seems silly to invite them by driving with the doors up.
Unless he is driving over bumpy roads, with the doors flapping like buzzard wings, your friend's torsion bars are probably safe. They don't care if the doors are open or closed, as long as they stay put.
Your friend's greatest risk might be to his windshield. The double-wishbone DeLorean frame provides very little torsional stiffness, relying on those doors as important structural members. When they are closed they limit how far the body can twist. If the body twists a little too much, like driving over a bump with the doors up, the windshield can crack in half!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:52:41 -0700 From: "Dave Price" <davep(AT)humanmachine.com> Subject: DML: Re: driving with the doors up
>dear dml, >i need help settling an arguement between a friend and myself. my >friend is always driving around town in his d with the doors up. i >keep telling him to close the doors because of the lack of side impact >protection and scrapes from trees. i also tell him that driving with >the doors up ruins the torsion bars. he says im full of hogwash. who's >right? how do i convince him to close the doors? > thanks for any help. >
Are you for real? How long has he been driving with the doors up? I'd think after a swift turn or a bump in the road the struts would pull out of the top, or at least bend something so bad that the doors won't close correctly. If this isn't a joke, please do the world a favor, take his keys and issue a severe lambasting.
Friends don't let friends drive stupid.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:25:44 -0400 From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom(AT)mitchellco.com> Subject: RE: DML: Hot Wheels
Is there anyway you can scan a picture of this & put it on the net for the rest of us to see? If not, could you possible send me a picture (snail mail) so I can scan it and e-mail it to those out there like myself that would love to see it? You can reach me at: syocom(AT)mitchellco.com
- -Shannon
> ---------- > From: bpayne(AT)macnet.com > Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Sent: Monday, June 8, 1998 10:30 PM > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: Re: DML: Hot Wheels > > I am sixteen now, but when I was little, the first Hot Wheels car that > I got > was one of the Hot Wheels DeLoreans. It was a red one with the number > 10 on > it. Unfortunately, it is now pretty scratched up. I am pretty sure > that it > was modeled after the DeLorean prototype, because it has no louvre, > and > looks just like the shape in pictures I've seen. > ---------------Brandon J. Payne--------------- > ----------(the "J" is for "Jenius")----------- >
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:50:37 EDT From: ATMorgan1(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: driving with the doors up
You could also tell him that it is illegal to drive with your doors up or open. The fine in California is like $75 bucks. ATM
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:37:26 -0400 From: "Cirillo, Ronald A" <Cirillo_R(AT)code80.npt.nuwc.navy.mil> Subject: DML: Rear Windows
I have a question concerning the rear side windows that I have not read any information on. My rear windows (the ones in the engine compartment) need to be reattached. One of them is completely out and the other is about to join it. The only information that I have is from my workshop manual that basically says to remove the rear quarter panels to install them. Is there an easier way? Has anyone out there performed this task? I would be interested in getting any information that would help me re-attach these items.
Ron
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:36:45 EDT From: CARSNOOPER(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Re: DMC in what countries?
Does anyone know how many countries were DMC''s origianlly exported to?
Sincerely,
Dave San Diego 81 DMC
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:34:52 -0400 From: Wade Shapiro <shapiro3(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: DeLorean Lettering
Just a quick question...all the DMCs I have seen in person have the raised "DeLorean" on the back bumper in the same color as the bumper. However, in a book I saw one where the "DeLorean" was painted white, and this is also on a D that was posted for sale on the list. Was this from the factory this way, or did someone paint it themselves?
Thanks, Wade
MODERATOR'S NOTE: There was quite a bit of discussion on this some time back. You might try searching the back issues for all the previous discussion on the filled in bumper lettering.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:57:29 EDT From: WINGD2(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Cincinnati Trip
It's about time for many Delorean owners to head for Cincinnati. Some are traveling in groups and others are going solo, with many picking up people along the way. One meeting spot that has come about in just the last few days is going to be the Indy 500 Speedway Museum, which is located inside the Indy Raceway/Track in Speedway, Indiana. Any one or group who is going thru Indy on the way to Cincinnati is welcome to join in. We presently have about 8 to 10 cars comming in from all different parts of the country. We plan on meeting at the museum at about noon, doing a tour of the muesum and then leave for Cincinnati about 2 pm. This will get us to Cincinnati in time for the dinner at the Montgomery Inn. As I said, anyone interested is more then welcome.
See you in Cincinnati, ( or Indy ) Marty
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:53:00 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: DMC Kit Web page
To all DML members:
The Totalimmersion web site is again open and now has an area set aside for the Limited edition DMC Model Kits.
The traffic at this site when it is open is very heavy, so you may have problems navigating it for the first few days it is open for new member sign-ups.
The URL is: http://www.totalimmersion.com
If you get in the next few days, click on the Hal 9000 eye to enter. This will take you to the Index page. If you get a listing of areas you will probably be able to access the whole site. Find the DMC-Man logo and click on it. This will take you to the DMC-Kit preview page, from there you should be able to explore.
If you get the Index page that has the "General Access" caption and some coming soon Graphic novel covers, the site is likely full, try both the Hal 9000 eye and /or the DMC-Man logo.If you get a listing of areas you will probably be able to access the whole site. Find the DMC-Man logo and click on it. This will take you to the DMC-Kit preview page, from there you should be able to explore.
If you get the Membership Application page with the Hal 9000 Back button this indicates that the site is max'ed out at the moment. I suggest that you save the page as a book mark and try again later in the week.
I might explain that this site has been active sense 1996. The problem with it is that it is very limited in it's capacity to handle the number of visitors at any given time, by the nature of what it does. The DMC area is all set up but still linked threw the Full Totalimmersion Index system. I hope to have it split off by Thursday, with all the reservation holders having automatic access using their e-mail address as an access code. I hope to have the DMC-Man direct access working by Thursday.
Thanks and enjoy the Kit area.
Radiance Software International 1726 Francisco Street Berkeley California 94703 USA Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613 lseiler(AT)radiance.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:08:21 -0400 From: Jeff Bruette <jbruette(AT)direcpc.com> Subject: DML: Power doors?
My friend just purchased a DeLorean ('81, automatic). It needs some
work...not a whole lot though. One thing that he wants to do is have
remote power doors. Sure, this could be something as simple as "push a
button and the doors unlock", bute he wants more. What he is wanting is
to have two buttons on the remote key fob. One OPENS the drivers door
and the other OPENS the passenger door. I'm talking "unlock and
automatically push the door to its full open position." Is this
possible? Has anyone done this? If so, please email me with info or
suggestions for him. Thanks in advance.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:32:01 -0500 From: Gowler Don-CFPO01 <cfpo01(AT)email.mot.com> Subject: DML: RE: Re: Jumper wire
In regards to this vein. What does the original relay #11 look like? Are there any specific markings on it? I have a bunch from updating them but would like to be able to keep the original in place for serious concours? Is it : 33375E 4381 12V ?? Joe??
Regards, The Silver Fox
> ---------- > From: Joe > Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 1998 2:16 AM > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: DML: Re: Jumper wire > > Josh, > Looking down at the blue socket the common wire goes into the bottom > (horizontal slot), the two remaining leads go to the left and right > vertical sockets. > Joe/DeLorean Services > > ---------- > > From: Josh Price <pricej(AT)ucs.orst.edu> > > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > > Subject: DML: Jumper wire > > Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 7:49 PM > > > > After my D got back from the shop, I found that they had removed the > three > > way jumper wire that was in place of the fan fail relay. I went to > put > it > > back in but there is five or six different slots that the three > wires > > could go into. I started to try all the different combinations that > I > > could think of, but could somebody please look at theirs and tell > me? > Its > > the relay in the lower left hand corner. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Josh Price > > VIN 10242 > >
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:47:44 -0700 (PDT) From: jeremiah falles <dmc_racing_lmtd(AT)yahoo.com> Subject: DML: 1979 delorean????
dear list, i am thumbing through a book entitled "CLASSIC AMERICAN CARS" by Quentin Willson (copyrighted in 1997) and published by DK Publishing,Inc.. on page 157 in the lower right hand corner is a pic of a delorean. right above it it says "1979 DeLorean" is this the prototype or what? i think readers should be better informed. razzz no vin yet...
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