Monday, June 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 376
In this issue:
DML: Another D for sale
DML: FUEL ACCUMULATOR INSTALLATION
RE: DML: Rear Windows
Re: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
Re: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
Re: DML: Power doors?
DML: folder/catalog for sale
DML: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
DML: Re: Rear Windows
DML: Re: D for SALE
DML: Hot Wheels DMC I have one!
Re: DML: Re: DMC in what countries?
DML: Delorean security
Re: DML: To All Posters of the list [clock syncro programe]
DML: Transmission Repair
DML: Atomic Clock Program
Re: DML: Transmission Repair
Re: DML: Hot Wheels DMC I have one!
Re: DML: Delorean security
Re: DML: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
DML: Cincinnati Car Show Thank You
DML: Contest
DML: Cincinnatti Car Show
DML: Re: Cincinnati Car Show Thank You
DML: re: DeLorean Security
Re: DML: Delorean security
Re: DML: Transmission Repair
[none]
Re: DML: Transmission Repair
DML: Re: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:30:15 -0700 From: "Ryan Bennett" <rpbennet(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: Another D for sale
Just visited Universal Auto, a repair shop here in San Leandro, CA after hearing that the owner had a D. He is looking to sell it, and I told him I would post the info on the DML for him.
It is an 82, painted red (by the owner) automatic, grey interior with 14,300 miles. It is need of quite a lot of work, at least aesthetically. I don't know how it runs, but he claims that it is perfectly operable. Asking $17k for it.
The price is high (compared to comparables) for it's condition, but I'm sure he would be willing to negotiate. I have to say that I like the look of the red, and he did a professional job, but I still prefer SS. The paint is old and showing some wear, and the driver's seat needs leather.
If anyone is interested, I can give out the address and phone number.
- -Ryan Bennett VIN 1085
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:51:41 -0500 From: "Phil Wiltfong" <phildad(AT)netsites.net> Subject: DML: FUEL ACCUMULATOR INSTALLATION
Finally Installed my Fuel Accumulator and it was much easier than I feared from others' installation experiences. For any who are interested, this is how I did it (beginner's luck):
Important note: USE the accumulator fitting nuts to make all torqueings against the line fittings so as NOT to twist the fuel lines...and cause a Real Bad Thing. I used normal length wrenches, and everything worked just fine, except for getting a little dirty.
REMOVE OLD ACCUMULATOR:
1. Loosen the RIGHT ANGLE fitting first with a 17mm open end wrench, BUT NOT at the accumulator...loosen the fuel line fitting from the right angle fitting only, leaving the fitting in the accumulator.
2. Remove the four (4) 10mm screws mounting the accumulator to the car (cool car, that is).
3. Then, work the accumulator off of the metal fuel line fitting.
4. Pull out the accumulator as far as it will go without straining the hoses, return line (small hose) first.
5. Pull back clip and remove the return line hose from accumulator (watch out for the gas).
6. Now, with accumulator hanging down free from the car, remove the last fitting being careful not to stress the rubber line too much. This will free the accumulator from the car.
7. On the bench, remove the right angle fitting.
INSTALL NEW ACCUMULATOR:
8. Remove old rubber gasket (or get new one) and tape onto new accumulator.
9 Install the right angle fitting onto new accumulator, pointing the same direction as on the old one.
10. Install rubber hose line fitting (note angle of hose twist to fit back into car).
11. Install rubber return line onto accumulator and position retaining clip.
12. Position accumulator into car and line up and hand tighten right angle fitting onto the metal fuel line.
13. Replace the bracket and tighten four screws back into place, being careful to retain right angle fitting alignment with fuel line. Smile a little since it is going so well and you're nearly done.
14. Tighten fuel line fitting onto the right angle fitting already on the accumulator.
15. Install a tie wrap or similar to any rubber hoses that need the support.
16. Pressurize the system and check for leaks.
VOILA! NO MORE HOT START PROBLEMS! :-)
Phil Wiltfong S/N 3394
PS: Thanks to everyone for all the good advice.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:51:03 -0400 From: "Cirillo, Ronald A" <Cirillo_R(AT)code80.npt.nuwc.navy.mil> Subject: RE: DML: Rear Windows
Brandon,
If later versions of the D have retaining clips to correct the problem of marginal adhesive bond--can they be fitted to my car? If so are they available from the supply houses? I prefer to correct the problem once.
Ron
> ---------- > From: Brandon S. Moody[SMTP:bsmoody(AT)kih.net] > Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 12:34 AM > To: DMC List > Subject: Re: DML: Rear Windows > > > I have a question concerning the rear side windows that I have > > not read any information on. My rear windows (the ones in the > engine > > compartment) need to be reattached. One of them is completely out > and > > the other is about to join it. The only information that I have is > from > > my workshop manual that basically says to remove the rear quarter > panels > > to install them. Is there an easier way? Has anyone out there > > performed this task? I would be interested in getting any > information > > that would help me re-attach these items. > > I have did this on a couple of occasions but both times with the > panels > removed. > You probably have an 81 car. From my observatinos, it seems that the > problem > with the windows falling out was corrected in 82 with the intallation > of > retaining > clips around the edges. Also, I have noticed that the 82 cars have a > finish strip > intalled like the door glass. Does anyone know if this is true with > all > 82-83 cars > or just the ones I have noticed ? > > -Brandon > >
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:12:38 EDT From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
Alread plan to do that I also will be getting a copy of the CNBC news report so all of us can enjoy it
Ken
MODERATOR'S NOTE: What a show! Ken really outdid himself! Full reports to follow from several sources.
Knut
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:56:31 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
At 09:50 AM 6/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >KKoncelik(AT)aol.com wrote: >> >> CNBC will be there doing a special on the show. also the local news >> stations >> will be there Saturday. >> >> ken > > >Ken, For the benifit of us folks that do not live in the area, would it >be possible for you to video tape the news broadcasts for us. A copy >would be great. I would be willing to pay for the tape. > >See you Friday > >Scott Mueller >"Red Neck DeLorean Owners of Alabama" > reply:
Comment and offer.
If it would be of help I have at our CGI studios professional video duplicating equipment. I would be happy to make all the copies required for just the cost of the tapes which we can get whole sale. This can be threw Ken or any other way that would be suitable.
Lee
Radiance Software International 1726 Francisco Street Berkeley California 94703 USA Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613 lseiler(AT)radiance.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:02:05 EDT From: medic-1(AT)juno.com (A Johnson) Subject: Re: DML: Power doors?
Jeff & others,
You can order a power door opener, that includes:
on/off switch gas strut door opener remote transmitter (3-channel) ALL necessary wiring & instructions
This unit operates from up to 300' away.
I have put these units on police cars for K-9's to be able to be released from the car by remote. Since the DMC has TWO locks for each door you may need to modify it (Don't know how the inside of the door works on the DMC).
This unit is available thru GALL's INC who is a supplier of public safety equipment.
It has a Sugg. List of $495.00 They sell it for only $299.99
Item # is: J-LE081
The phone # is 1-800-477-7766 or FAX 1-800-944-2557
They take Visa, MC, Discover, & AMEX +++++++++++ Hope this helps.
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:08:21 -0400 Jeff Bruette <jbruette(AT)direcpc.com>
writes:
>My friend just purchased a DeLorean ('81, automatic). It needs some
>work...not a whole lot though. One thing that he wants to do is have
>remote power doors. Sure, this could be something as simple as "push a
>button and the doors unlock", bute he wants more. What he is wanting
>is
>to have two buttons on the remote key fob. One OPENS the drivers door
>and the other OPENS the passenger door. I'm talking "unlock and
>automatically push the door to its full open position." Is this
>possible? Has anyone done this? If so, please email me with info or
>suggestions for him. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "d.p. cain" <cain(AT)julian.uwo.ca> Subject: DML: folder/catalog for sale
I have a couple of spare 1981 Delorean folders and catalogs for sale. They are like new. The folder is 6 pages and in color. The catalog is 24 pages and also color. I will send a color folder for US $6 postpaid or a catalog for US $19 postpaid if mailed in North America. I am interested in trading for other DMC literature.
Please email me if interested so I can hold it for you.
Peter Cain 813 Talbot St. London, Ontario N6A 2V7 CANADA
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:02:05 EDT From: medic-1(AT)juno.com (A Johnson) Subject: DML: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
Fellow DMC-12 owners:
I have purchased a DeLorean that was destroyed by fire. I only paid $150 US for the car; the body was in excellent shape, but the inside was roasted toast! The car was sitting inside a shed at a junk yard in Canada, with 5,25x.x miles on it. The owner of the place had thought maybe one day he might get around to fixing it. He told me he got the car due to an electrical fire back in 1984, and has had the car in the shed since then.
The car is now in fully working condition (4 months later), after getting the engine, trans. worked on, getting a whole new electrical wiring harness for the entire car, and getting the inside totally replaced, went with gray, not knowing what the color was. The car was and still is SS and has/had a gas flap type hood.
There is the story of my "new" DMC-12. My first one was stolen.
At this time it is on the road and registered. VIN is:
R98-DMC12-198x-025
R98 = RECOVERED 1998 DMC12 = DeLorean DMC-12 198x = Year of car 198x (x is because true year 81, 82, 83 is not known) 025 = 25th vehicle RECOVERED in 1998
I would like to get back the true VIN; but can only do that if it can be found stamped on the car in another location. Does any one know of another location of the VIN # besides the dash?
Also can some one please post the VIN info of the DMC-12, as I have seen some that look like both of these:
SCEDT26T5BD00xxx
and {NOTE: The little x's are
the numbers of the VIN)
SCEDT26T8DD02xxx
Does the T5 & T8 indicate something special? How about the BD & DD?
Thank You.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:44:28 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Rear Windows
Ron, Sorry to say but there is not an easier way to re-attach the rear quarter glass panels. I have never seen a factory installed glass separate so I suspect that your glass was not installed according to the book. The fact of the matter is that stainless steel does not like anything to stick to it this is why the factory procedure is necessary. Joe/DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: Cirillo, Ronald A <Cirillo_R(AT)code80.npt.nuwc.navy.mil> > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: DML: Rear Windows > Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 11:37 AM > > I have a question concerning the rear side windows that I have > not read any information on. My rear windows (the ones in the engine > compartment) need to be reattached. One of them is completely out and > the other is about to join it. The only information that I have is from > my workshop manual that basically says to remove the rear quarter panels > to install them. Is there an easier way? Has anyone out there > performed this task? I would be interested in getting any information > that would help me re-attach these items. > > Ron >
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:40:40 -0500 From: "Thomas Bohmier" <bohmier(AT)sprintmail.com> Subject: DML: Re: D for SALE
Please send a direct E-Mail to me: bohmier(AT)sprintmail.com
I would like to discuss your car in more detail.
Thomas Dallas, Texas
- ---------- > From: Stephen Pitre <SPitre(AT)lasccoa.state.la.us> > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: DML: D for SALE > Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:23 AM > > 1981 D; automatic trans; 5, 041 miles; VIN=235218; original owner and = > we=27ve had it covered in our barn for over 14 years. Original tires and = > they are not even dry rotted. No dents, scrapes, cuts, dings, etc. The = > mother of all Ds. Call (318)742-8474. D located in New Orleans, LA. >
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:51:02 -0700 From: "Robert A. Rooney" <DMCVegas(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: Hot Wheels DMC I have one!
As a hobby I collect hot wheels & other die cast toy cars. Another collector that I was trading with had a DeLorean. I asked him about it & he swore up & down that it said DeLorean on it. I say this because the Hot Wheels DeLorean that everyone is talking about IS NOT A DELOREAN! In some of the collectors books it talks briefly about it, but explains that it was just modeled after it. The car is called something else (can't remember) it has no louvre on the back, regular doors, a long hood that looks like it came from a Mach-1 Mustang, plus it has headlights like a Jaguar. The car that I have IS A DELOREAN, but theres one thing, IT"S NOT MADE BY HOT WHEELS! The one that I have was made by Zee toys, on the bottom of the car it spells out "DE LOREAN" and of course, "Made in China". Surprisingly enough though it is VERY ACCURATE! Th wheels are 2 differant sizes w/the bigger ones in back, plus they have special rims on them that look like DMC ones. The tail lights are square w/o the ERM licence plate frame, the car it self is painted silver, it has the louvers on the back and the cooling vent above the tail lights. The bumpers are black plastic & the only thing that it is missing is the "DMC" logo on the front & the "DeLorean" lettering on the back, but it does have a hood w/a gas flap & embossed groves in it, "sectioned" facias, moulding running down the side of the car, door handles, and, last but not least FUNCTIONING GULL WING DOORS THAT OPEN! Just thought that this might help to clear things up. If I get the chance, I take some photos & scan them, but I don't have a web page yet to put them up on.
- -Robert
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:22:39 EDT From: ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re: DMC in what countries?
Dave in San Diego wrote; >Does anyone know how many countries were DMC''s originally exported to?
USA, Canada, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, and the U.K. when the reciever took over.
Robert Lamrock Belfast
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:08:28 From: "Ben Williams" <will0847(AT)tc.umn.edu> Subject: DML: Delorean security
In a world full of crime, it seems that it would be very dangerous to own
an exotic car such as the Delorean for everyday driving. What kind of
security measures do you owners take when you take your Delorean out into
public or even on long road trips? I can't imagine leaving such a
priceless car in a parking lot and not being worried about it.
your comments would be greatly appreciated
'Ben
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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:22:03 -0600 From: "Gremlin" <gremlin(AT)gremlin.net> Subject: Re: DML: To All Posters of the list [clock syncro programe]
- -----Original Message----- From: tomcio <tomcio(AT)goplay.com> To: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com>; dmcnews(AT)world.std.com <dmcnews(AT)world.std.com> Date: Thursday, 11 June, 1998 08:28 Subject: RE: DML: To All Posters of the list
>Hi all, >This is a good idea. I have a little program which is a freeware that >sets your computer clock perfectly. It connects to the atomic clock >located in Boulder CO. SNIP SNIP
The file is upoloaded, and should be downloadable from http://gremlin.net/Atomtime.exe. I virus-scanned it and it seems fine, though you'll probably want to doublecheck on downloading it =)
- --Gremlin gremlin(AT)gremlin.net http://gremlin.net
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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:37:51 EDT From: Amtrak2Hel(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Transmission Repair
I'm currently searching for a DeLorean and may have found one within my price range. The seller's "bottom line" price is $11,750, but the car has been sitting for some time and, from the sound of it, has a bad computer in the automatic transmission. The car is otherwise in a generally sound condition (I plan on getting a different engine anyway). Anyone out there have an idea of what it would cost to repair the tranny? Also, if anyone has had some success with putting in a larger engine (how big can I go, what will it set me back), do you have any advice?
Thanks, Mike
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 00:23:12 -0400 From: Nathan Gess <72chargerse(AT)iname.com> Subject: DML: Atomic Clock Program
DML,
To everybody who is interested in the Atomic Clock program that was
discussed a few days ago, it is located at the DeLorean Web-Ring
homepage, http://www.angelfire.com/pa/NGWPN/DeLorean.html , it is
fairly small (146K) and takes about 30 secs to download. Please e-mail
me if there are any problems.
Nathan Gess
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:20:11 +0100 From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian(AT)netvigator.com> Subject: Re: DML: Transmission Repair
> Amtrak2Hel(AT)aol.com wrote: > I'm currently searching for a DeLorean and may have found one within my price range. The seller's "bottom line" price is $11,750,
........... sounds way too high a price to me. I just bought a spotless Nov.'81 DMC for $10,500 in Los Angeles at Easter. She has 28,000miles, manual, grey spotless interior. Only thing I needed to sort was the soft rear suspension! While looking I saw numerous good ones at around $14,000. If I were you I'd buy one 100% without the hassle and uncertainty of fixing!
Cheers, IAN FOSTER (Hong Kong)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:19:19 +0100 (BST) From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101(AT)york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: DML: Hot Wheels DMC I have one!
I have one much as you describe. There's nowthing on it to say it's a D, but it's obvious (not least from the gullwing doors). I have it sitting on top of my monitor (sad bloke).
Plenty more where mine came from. I can e-mail a pic if anyone's interested.
Martin
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On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Robert A. Rooney wrote:
> As a hobby I collect hot wheels & other die cast toy cars. Another > collector that I was trading with had a DeLorean. I asked him about it & > he swore up & down that it said DeLorean on it. I say this because the > Hot Wheels DeLorean that everyone is talking about IS NOT A DELOREAN! > In some of the collectors books it talks briefly about it, but explains > that it was just modeled after it. The car is called something else > (can't remember) it has no louvre on the back, regular doors, a long > hood that looks like it came from a Mach-1 Mustang, plus it has > headlights like a Jaguar. The car that I have IS A DELOREAN, but theres > one thing, IT"S NOT MADE BY HOT WHEELS! The one that I have was made by > Zee toys, on the bottom of the car it spells out "DE LOREAN" and of > course, "Made in China". Surprisingly enough though it is VERY ACCURATE! > Th wheels are 2 differant sizes w/the bigger ones in back, plus they > have special rims on them that look like DMC ones. The tail lights are > square w/o the ERM licence plate frame, the car it self is painted > silver, it has the louvers on the back and the cooling vent above the > tail lights. The bumpers are black plastic & the only thing that it is > missing is the "DMC" logo on the front & the "DeLorean" lettering on the > back, but it does have a hood w/a gas flap & embossed groves in it, > "sectioned" facias, moulding running down the side of the car, door > handles, and, last but not least FUNCTIONING GULL WING DOORS THAT OPEN! > Just thought that this might help to clear things up. If I get the > chance, I take some photos & scan them, but I don't have a web page yet > to put them up on. > > -Robert > >
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:38:25 EDT From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Delorean security
we just had a major event in cincinnati where we left our cars out for hours and even with the best of measures things can happen but in this case there was no problems with security antwhere. The public loves looking at these cars and for the most part look and do not touch. It is hard for some people to not at least touch the stainless so worst damage is aa fingerprint. Nothing a little windex won't fix.. I've left mine overnight at shows with no problem. Thats Cincinnati results may vary in other cities
Thanks for your inquirery
Ken
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:39:53 EDT From: medic-1(AT)juno.com (A Johnson) Subject: Re: DML: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
After the $150 to buy the car, I had a friend flatbed the car COVERED (to
save us all some face) free! {best price of the whole restore}. ALL of
the work from start to finish:
Engine (to get ready to start! + new belts, hoses, filters, freon, etc.. 5 Spd trans drain, flush, checkup, & filled, + clutch & cable Rewire the WHOLE car with new harness, + electrical upgrades, and all new bulbs/lights, battery & cables New EVERYTHING inside the car + Kenwood tape/CD AM/FM radio (fit like a tight glove)! New tires, brakes, fluid, etc.. New weather stripping all round! ALL new locks for the car (doors & ignition keyed alike)
Starting to get the point {From the ground up} <haha>
Total cost after all the above + a few minor other thing the bill came to $6,439.53
Took a look under the door the is no plate, doesn't look like there ever was one either, the stickers on the door & jamb don't exist anymore either.
Any other clues as to where it might be?
Thanks. AJ / ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:16:27 +0100 (BST) "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101(AT)york.ac.uk> writes: >HI THERE, I hate to be a bore, but if your car has a gas flap, then >it's >an '81. The VIN number is also embossed on the metal plate under the >drivers door. > >WELL DONE! BTW, I'd hate the idea of a sad and pathetic D sitting in a > >scrappy. > >You didn't mention how much it all costed after everthing...? > >Best Wishes, > >Martin > >
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:47:30 EDT From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Cincinnati Car Show Thank You
My thanks to all of you who participated and made this one of the largest DeLorean events ever.
With appreciation
Ken
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:50:43 EDT From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Contest
It will be a mo9nth or so for me to update the web page and I need a picture. to keep your interest in the page over the next few years I have decided to run a few contests. The first one is to offer $25.00 for the best photo. Send to 4500 Woodland Dr. Mason, Ohio. 45040
3 x 5 prefered any photo of the museum or cars.
I will choose one and make it the web page main photo and the winner gets $25.00.
More to come.
Ken
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:29:26 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Cincinnatti Car Show
Last weekend, my Wife and I had the pleasure of going to the DeLorean Car Show in Cincinnatti. Ken Koncelnik did a fantastic job hosting the show and I for one am looking forward to the Cleveland Show in 2000. Thank you Ken and your family for all of the hard work and your dedication to seeing that all of the functions went well.
We arrived at the Hotel Friday afternoon and the check-in was flawless. The desk clerks had our registration packets and rooms ready to go. I must say that Ken did a great job with the accomadations, the rooms had plenty of space and were squeeky clean. The Comfort Suites was an excellent choice.
The hospitality room was full of enthusiast, and a gentleman was giving a presentation on his back to the future replica. I was impressed with the amount of effort him and his friends and family put into building this car. I am not a BTTF nut, but there was always a crowd around his car at the show. I was most impressed by the Rover V-8 engine installation. When idling, it made the car sound like it could go as fast as it looks.
We all went to the Gregory Center for dinner Friday night. The BBQ ribs were the best that I had ever eaten. Living in the Deep South of Alabama, I have had the opportunity to eat some of the best BBQ in the world, The ribs friday night were without a doubt the best I have ever had. Lots of parts, literature and other items were given out at the raffle Friday night. Ken had aquired a band for out entertainment. It was a casual affair, so every one was comfortable dressed. I counted 52 cars in the parking lot that night, what an impressive sight. There was a good cross section of cars on display, from essentially show room new to a car from Columbus with 238,000 miles on it. I don't think I have driven that many miles in 22 years. I spent a lot of time just hangin out in the parking lot with my fellow owners and friends.
Saturday, we started arriving at the Museum Center around 10:00 am, the weather was perfect. Seeing all of the cars in the center area was spectacular, Ken reported that there were 72 DeLoreans on display. Ken hired professional judges and they were tough. There was only one point difference between First and Second Place in the Concours competition. I always thought that my car was something special, the cars on display, especially, my friends Tom and Carrol from New Jersey, made me realize that I have alot of cleanning to do. I told my wife that it would probably cost a couple of thousand dollars to bring mine up to snuf, she said that she will buy me a trophy instead, its cheaper.
The product fair was nice, lots of good stuff for sale. I filled out my wardrobe with great shirts. All of the major clubs except the DOA had booths set up. Robin McNeil of the DeLorean Motor Club was there and showed off there new publication. Dave Bauerle, of Baurele Automotive in Ohio sponsored his "guess the part" contest. I admit that I did not know what any of the parts were. We had the technical sessions hosted by Steve Wynn and Rob Grady. Steve showed us how the remove and service the instrument cluster and Rob showed us how to work on the center control panel. The trip was worth it just to learn the tricks that Steve and Rob shared with us. I always enjoy the tech seminars.
We had a break so we could go back to the hotel, which was a 5 minute drive to clean up, then it was another fine dinner. Saturday nights dinner was held at the museum. Another raffle was held and many great prizes were awarded. Dave Bauerle gave the awards for his "guess the parts" contest. We have some very knowledgable people in our group. Linda Porter , the current president of the DOA, reminded us all of the upcoming expo 98 in Los Angeles later this year. Expo "98 sounds like fun and I wish that I could go.
Then the moment we all have been waiting for, the trophies. The competition was fierce and the awards were worth fighting for. I especially like the plaques, in fact, its too bad we couldn't get a dash plaque like those. Perhapes next time, if people will commit to attending earlier, plaques can be ordered. The only glich to the entire weekend was that the Omni-Max show had to be cancelled because of equipment failure. By consensus, the attendees refused Kens offer to refund the ticket price and decided to donate the funds to defer the expenses of this show and leave some seed money for the year 2000 show.
We all headed back to the Hotel for more parking lot chatter and some well deserved sleep.
Sunday morning, we caravaned up to Columbus for Steve Wynns open house at the parts (mecca) warehouse. Treasures galore, I was in awe, seeing all of those parts. I decided to wait until the line died down to make my purchases. It never did, people would buy something, then discover another treasure and get in line again. Warren and the gang were humping. Writing up orders, telling people where parts were, assuring us that everything would get shipped home to us, it was amazing. Steve provide plenty of food and drink and was an excellent host. Myself, I would be really nervous having people rummaging around all of the valuable parts like he let us. If Steve was worried, he never let it show.
I did not want to leave, but my wife reminded me, that it was time to get to the airport, so we wouldn't miss our flight home. Lots of goodbyes to new friend, and hugs with old friends and off we went.
On a side note, the entire weekend, cost less than four hundred dollars for all of the events, two nights lodging and meals for two people. The airfair was additional and I won't go into how much I spent for the goodies I aquired.
This is the kind of event that will keep the DeLorean Marque going strong. The owners tend to be younger now, and most can not afford to spend several thousand dollars for dinners and lodging. I had just as much fun in Cincinnatti as I did in Snowmass for 25% of the cost. I enjoyed both shows greatly, but I believe that you will have greater involvment from the new generation of owners, if we can keep the costs more resonable.
Ken Koncelnik and everyone that helped put on this show deserve a round of applause. Thank You, Thank You so much for a great weekend. See you in the year 2000.
Happy Motoring
Scott Mueller Vin 2981
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:39:02 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: Cincinnati Car Show Thank You
It was very gracious of Ken to thank the DML for participating in the Cincinnati DeLorean Car Show, but by all rights *we* should be thanking *him*!
Ken, we know you put a tremendous amount of time and work into the Car Show. I can scarecly imagine the personal sacrifices you and your family made to host such an incredible event on a shoestring budget. You did a great job of smoothly managing the flurry of activities at the museum, yet you had a smile on your face all day. I only hope the smile meant you were having as much fun as we did!
Thank you for a fantastic event.
- - Mike Substelny
PS: Cincinnati set a very high standard for excellence and fun, but for the year 2000 Car Show I am confident that Cleveland can meet or exceed everyone's expectations for another great Car Show.
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:04:38 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: re: DeLorean Security
Ben Williams asked:
> What kind of security measures do you owners take when you > take your Delorean out into public or even on long road trips?
Here are a few of my thoughts on DeLorean security.
THEFT FOR PARTS: To the best of my knowledge, there is no black market for DeLorean parts. If there were, I would expect someone on the DML (or my other grapevines) to mention it by now. Other exotic cars *do* have a black market for parts, so there are thieves who intentionally set out to steal those cars.
THEFT DETERRENCE: One of the most inexpensive and common modifications to a DeLorean is a battery kill switch. This has the combined benefit of saving your battery and making your DeLorean difficult to steal. Obviously DeLorean owners also use car alarms, The Club, and other normal security measures.
It's a lot of work for a thief to figure out how to open those complicated doors just to get a Craig radio! When I first bought my car there was damage to both rubber window seals, where a thief had tried to jimmy the locks. They tried and tried but never succeeded.
VANDALISM: An unpainted DeLorean is probably the most vandal-resistant car ever made. On the stainless itself, a minor scratch can be rubbed out with a Scotchbright pad and spray paint can be cleaned off with a mild solvent. Unfortunately the fascias, tires, and glass are just as vulnerable as any other car.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:09:18 -0500 From: Duke <at88mph(AT)mobis.com> Subject: Re: DML: Delorean security
Ben,
I have an Alpine alarm system that comes with a paging unit. If for any reason the alarm is set off, it will page me immediately so I can race out and get my butt kicked by the person breaking into my car. Also, I ALWAYS park way out in the parking lot away from other cars but close to where there will be alot of traffic. (at nigt, I always park under a light). I am one of those jerks that take up two spots but I do it so far out in the parking lot that no one will care. I've done this for the past 12 years and have never had any break-ins or problems. I've had the pager unit for 3 years now and its never gone off when I'm out.
Thanks,
Duke www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
Ben Williams wrote:
> What kind of security measures do you owners take when you take your > Delorean out into public or even on long road trips? I can't imagine > leaving such a > priceless car in a parking lot and not being worried about it. > your comments would be greatly appreciated > 'Ben
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:09:10 -0500 From: Duke <at88mph(AT)mobis.com> Subject: Re: DML: Transmission Repair
Mike,
Save your money on a computer governor and put it towards a better trans (if your going to swap out the engine anyway, the stock trans is not something you want to use!) I think the cost of repair of a stock trans is generally around $2000 to $2500. I looked at going with a 350 TPI system w/ a Toronado trans and it started at $6,000 (bargin) then went to $8,000 (well...ok) then $10,000 (gulp!) then "we'll just have to see as we go" (never mind!)
Hope this helps,
Duke www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
Amtrak2Hel(AT)AOL.COM wrote:
> I'm currently searching for a DeLorean and may have found one within my > price > range. The seller's "bottom line" price is $11,750, but the car has been > sitting for some time and, from the sound of it, has a bad computer in the > automatic transmission. The car is otherwise in a generally sound condition > (I > plan on getting a different engine anyway). Anyone out there have an idea of > what it would cost to repair the tranny? Also, if anyone has had some > success > with putting in a larger engine (how big can I go, what will it set me > back), > do you have any advice? > > Thanks, > Mike
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:54:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dipl.-Ing. ZACH Wolfgang"(AT)world.std.com Subject: [none]
<wzach.lehrer.htl.htl-braunau(AT)htlbraunau.asn-linz.ac.at> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:23:54 +0100 Subject: Re: DML: Cincinnatti Car Show Sender: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Scott Mueller wrote:
> Last weekend, my Wife and I had the pleasure of going to the DeLorean > Car Show in Cincinnatti.
[snip]
Much thanks to Scott for such a detailed report on that event I am sad about not been able to participate -> AUSTRIA/Europe ist too far away. I would have been glad of seeing the warehouse (mekka) too and probably would have spent my last money there. Hopefully there will be a pictured report on dmcnews webpage or in one of the future zine's. Looking forward to it !
... keep on driving ! DMC_2hot4u(AT)unforgettable.com VIN#2219 located in AUSTRIA
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:50:44 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: Re: DML: Transmission Repair
Duke wrote: > > Mike, > > Save your money on a computer governor and put it towards a better trans > SNIP
> Amtrak2Hel(AT)AOL.COM wrote: > SNIP
Also, if anyone has had some > > success > > with putting in a larger engine (how big can I go, what will it set me > > back), > > do you have any advice? > > > > Thanks, > > Mike
The BTTF car in Cincinnatti had a Rover V-8 and a 1991 Porsch 911 automatic in it. I understand that the trans is computer controlled and they have only reverse and third operating so far. I could be wrong, you know how rumors go. The installation was very clean. They extended the chassis 2" and built a rear cradle. They hollowed out the rear bumper, removed the foam, so the overall length of the car is the same. They told me that the conversion cost for the engine and trans, using new parts, was $20K.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:44:00 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
A Johnson wants to figure out the original VIN on his fire-damaged DeLorean. Unfortunately, the plates in the windshield and door frame are missing. In his second message he said:
> Took a look under the door the is no plate, doesn't look like there > ever was one either, the stickers on the door & jamb don't exist > anymore either.
This still seems like an incomplete story to me. As I understand it, the car was damaged by fire in both the engine compartment and the passenger compartment. If this is the case, it should have needed a lot of fiberglass work to repare the GRP shell, but no such work was mentioned in the list provided.
Was fiberglass work done to this car or not?
If so, then perhaps the door data plate was removed at that time and maybe you can get it back. If not, then there should be some evidence that the plate was once mounted there. There should be two rivet holes through the black GRP polymer. They would be in the horizontal section about 1/3 of the way up the rear door sill on the driver's side.
From your description of the hood, this was one of the early cars. When you got it, did it have the letters DMC displayed on the front grill? That could be an important clue.
The first car off the production line, VIN #0500 at the Crawford Museum, does have the door plate, but it does not have the DMC on the front grill. If this car *never* had a door plate, and did not have DMC in its grill, then perhaps it was a pre-production DeLorean(?).
Another clue: some cars have markings on some parts that are hidden from view. You can find examples in the DML back issues of people who have discovered their VIN or other VINs marked on parts inside their doors or other places.
It's a long shot, but we know there were a lot of rapid, minor changes made to the design of the doors (and other areas) in those early cars. To help keep track, it is possible that someone marked the VIN on some hidden part of the car while it was in the factory. The highest probability might be somewhere inside the doors.
Good luck, and keep us posted!
- - Mike Substelny
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