Thursday, June 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 378
In this issue:
DML: Re: Delorean problems
DML: Re: DeLorean Wanted
DML: DeLorean Owner Translation Guide :-)
Re: DML: COLUMBUS WAREHOUSE
Re: DML: Re: DeLorean Wanted
DML: warehouse theft
Re: DML: warehouse theft
Re: DML: warehouse theft
Re: DML: warehouse theft
Re: DML: warehouse theft
DML: Warehouse theft - resolution suggestion
Re: DML: warehouse theft
DML: Who's DMC is it?
DML: Re: The Best Vacuum Cleaner for a DeLorean
DML: removing paint from cars
DML: part prices
Re: DML: Warehouse theft - resolution suggestion
DML: Windshield availability
DML: WAREHOUSE Theft
Re: DML: warehouse theft
Re: DML: Warehouse theft - resolution suggestion
DML: Part Prices and DeLorean Viability
DML: Columbus Event
DML: Engine swap
Re: DML: Engine swap
DML: "Di-electric" grease
DML: Re: Who's DMC is it?
Re: DML: "Di-electric" grease
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:40:41 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Delorean problems
Jim, This does not sound good. You took your car to a mechanic who did an improper repair procedure by, as you described, "He tapped it to another"; that does not sound like the proper way to repair a fuel pump voltage problem. The next mechanic said that "the wiring was all messed up"; was he referring to what the first mechanic did? Before these guys do any more harm to your car go to your yellow pages and look for repair places that advertise work on Volvo's. Call them and ask them about repair work on an 82' Volvo 260 GLE V-6. This car has the same engine and fuel system as your DeLorean. Wherever you have positive results let them know that you can get parts and tech support. If you need additional assistance let me know. Joe/DeLorean Services - ---------- > From: Jim Plamondon <saab82(AT)hotmail.com> > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: DML: Delorean problems > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 3:00 AM > > Hi this is Jim Plamondon from Iowa, Council Bluffs. Right next to Omaha. > > I'm having many problems w/ my car. It is a 81, vin 1746, automatic, > and 16,000 miles on it. We got it for only 16,000 dollars. > I'm only 16 and have little money to spend, I have help from my dad. > I have put over 1,500 mile sence we bought in Feb. > > when we got it, it didn't like to start hot. After awhile it got slower, > then > died. I took it to a machinc, he said it was the wire to the fuel pump > was dead. He tapped it to another and it work. It was still slow and > didn't start Inertia switch still work w/ the tap wire to the fuel pump. > He cold not do no more to it so I took it to another mechanic. The 2nd > mechanic said that the reason the car was slow was that the wiring was > all messed up and needed to be fixed. I don't think thats right, but I > could be wrong. > > Jim Plamondon > Saab82(AT)hotmail.com > vin 1746 > > P.S. I have put in fresh gas (the car sat in a show room for about > 2yrs), new fuses, and new boot that hold the fuel pump. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:14:54 -0400 From: Mike Griese <magriese(AT)us.ibm.com> Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Wanted
You are not likely to find a DeLorean for under $5000 that can be restored. If there is anything left at all, it becomes worth more as parts.
Michael A. Griese IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com
'81 #2135
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:09:46 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: DeLorean Owner Translation Guide :-)
WHEN A DELOREAN OWNER SAYS:
"I don't care if my DeLorean gets attention, I just like the car."
HE/SHE REALLY MEANS:
"Hell yes I love the attention! What are you, nuts?"
WHEN A DELOREAN OWNER SAYS:
"The wire antenna in my windshield gets crystal clear
radio reception."
HE/SHE REALLY MEANS:
"A haven't figured out how to turn on my radio yet."
WHEN A DELOREAN OWNER SAYS:
"I have never, ever been locked in my DeLorean."
HE/SHE REALLY MEANS:
"A previous owner installed Lockzilla before I bought this car."
WHEN A DELOREAN OWNER SAYS:
"My DeLorean is a real runner."
HE/SHE REALLY MEANS:
"It runs great at highway speed, but if I get stuck in a traffic
jam my Ducey alternator doesn't put out enough power, so
my battery dies, my cooling fans quit, my engine overheats,
and my coolant bottle bursts."
WHEN A DELOREAN OWNER SAYS:
"No, sir, I didn't find any cocaine in the doors."
HE/SHE REALLY MEANS:
"If I hear that stupid comment one more time, somebody's
gonna get their butt kicked!"
WHEN A DELOREAN OWNER SAYS:
"I wouldn't trade my DeLorean for any other car in the world."
HE/SHE REALLY MEANS:
"I wouldn't trade my DeLorean for any other car in the world."
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:44:46 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: COLUMBUS WAREHOUSE
Steve did not have them arrested?! I know I would have!
What valuable parts were there to steal?? (That would be small enough to steal, obviously you could not walk off with a door or fender!)
It is a shame that steve is now forced to eliminate the possibly of another event like this, but I cant say I blame him.
Even though the day may not have been profitable for him in sales, I think the benefits of this kind of thing show up down the road. When someone needs a part they will be less likely to find a alternate or make something if they now see that it is highly possible that it is sitting in a warehouse in Ohio (or Houston). I think to the message a while back about someone trying to put a Volvo motor in a DMC. Would he have tried that if he saw the racks of engines sitting in the werehouse?
On a personal note, I found it a bit depressing, and upsetting. Looking at the amount of "stuff" in there you would get a false sense of a endless supply of parts, but As we all know, there are still many hard to find parts. On the other hand, with the quantity of some of the parts, you would think that the prices would be lowered! It is not free to store all that stuff, or loose the interest on the money invested (no need to get in to a whole economic evaluation here).
Example: I saw a few boxes of Craig radios and speakers. Most of the cars I saw in cincinnati had after market radios installed. There is a very low demand for original Craig radios, and a similar radio today would sell for under $100 (WITH the speakers!), yet part# 100441 is still listed at $275.00!! If you want all 4 speakers, that is another $210! Obviously, not too many of these will be sold. The thought is that it is not worth $275 to have the radio, but at $100 it may be worth it to have a original radio.
I had to purchase a rear hub assembly a few years ago, I don't remember how much I paid, but I do remember being surprised at how much it was (I think it was like $600 or more). It killed me to see boxes and cases in almost every isle filled with these things! This item is really not in the same category as a radio, but still!
I can only hope this will slowly change as Steve gets things organized.
I did however find the experience interesting, and I am glad I had the opportunity to be there. I even spent some money too! Thanks Steve!!
and, a Question: I thought the Delorean windshields were all gone?! I saw a few crates of them at the warehouse, and they looked to be in good shape.
Scott Mueller wrote: > > Yesterday, I was informed that this past weekends open house at the > warehouse would have been deemed worthwhile for DMC Houston if not for > the blatent theft of many valuable parts. Security personel witnessed > and identified several people who are responsible for giving us all a > bad name. Because of this theft, I understand that we will not be > allowed in the warehouse in the future. These people have ruined it for > all of the rest of us. Those of you that are responsible for the theft > of the parts should be ashamed of yourselfs. I would suggest that you > try to make ammends for your crimes and beg forgivness. Steve was very > generous in allowing us to pick through his inventory like we would at > Walmart. I'm suprised that you were not arrested on the spot, myself, I > would have had you thrown in jail, which is still an option! > > Please share this post with your friends that are not members of this > mailing list.
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:01:09 -0400 From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: DeLorean Wanted
Hello,
Thats what i figure. I almost bought a bricklyn for 8k, but changed my mind and wanted a d. They are just so much better. I'll find one.
Sean
Mike Griese wrote:
> You are not likely to find a DeLorean for under $5000 that can > be restored. If there is anything left at all, it becomes worth more > as parts. > > Michael A. Griese > IBM Storage Systems Division > Rochester, MN 55901 > Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com > > '81 #2135
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:10:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sean P Mullally" <mullally(AT)pilot.msu.edu> Subject: DML: warehouse theft
Well this is unfortunate. The DMC folk were extremely generous, and trusting, when they let us into their facility, even providing refreshments. They didn't have to do any of that! Alot of people enjoyed seeing the warehouse last weekend, but under the curcumstances, I would not blame DMC if they chose not to do this again. You said security identifed the people. Does this mean the parts were recovered? Personally I would encourage DMC to press charges. Theft is never acceptable, but it is worst when someone has given their trust like DMC did for us.
- -Sean Mullally vin 3868
>Yesterday, I was informed that this past weekends open house at the warehouse >would have been deemed worthwhile for DMC Houston if not for the blatent theft >of many valuable parts. Security personel witnessed and identified several >people who are responsible for giving us all a bad name. Because of this >theft, I understand that we will not be allowed in the warehouse in the future. > These people have ruined it for all of the rest of us. Those of you that are >responsible for the theft of the parts should be ashamed of yourselfs. I would >suggest that you try to make ammends for your crimes and beg forgivness. Steve >was very generous in allowing us to pick through his inventory like we would at >Walmart. I'm suprised that you were not arrested on the spot, myself, I would >have had you thrown in jail, which is still an option!
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:09:15 -0400 From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com> Subject: Re: DML: warehouse theft
Hello,
Thats is very sad that someone had to steal a parts. But i do think that there prices should come down a bit. $275 for a 1981 craig stero seems to be a little much. But then other things are alot cheaper. I guess it will change after they know exactly what they have and how much. Can they make reproduction parts. Like panels and things?
Sean
Sean P Mullally wrote:
> Well this is unfortunate. The DMC folk were extremely generous, and > trusting, > when they let us into their facility, even providing refreshments. They > didn't > have to do any of that! Alot of people enjoyed seeing the warehouse last > weekend, but under the curcumstances, I would not blame DMC if they chose > not > to do this again. You said security identifed the people. Does this mean the > parts were recovered? Personally I would encourage DMC to press charges. > Theft > is never acceptable, but it is worst when someone has given their trust like > DMC did for us. > > -Sean Mullally > vin 3868 > > >Yesterday, I was informed that this past weekends open house at the > warehouse > >would have been deemed worthwhile for DMC Houston if not for the blatent > theft > >of many valuable parts. Security personel witnessed and identified several > >people who are responsible for giving us all a bad name. Because of this > >theft, I understand that we will not be allowed in the warehouse in the > future. > > These people have ruined it for all of the rest of us. Those of you that > are > >responsible for the theft of the parts should be ashamed of yourselfs. I > would > >suggest that you try to make ammends for your crimes and beg forgivness. > Steve > >was very generous in allowing us to pick through his inventory like we > would at > >Walmart. I'm suprised that you were not arrested on the spot, myself, I > would > >have had you thrown in jail, which is still an option!
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:17:45 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: warehouse theft
This made me think that my message may have not been clear. The theft and the selling prcies were 2 seperate issues that just seem to follow in my message when I wrote it. I am in no way saying that the theft had anything to do with the prices! Even if you think something is too expensive, that does not make it ok to steal it!
Also, after re-reading the first message (Sean Mullally), it seems to implicate that the guilty person(s) are members of this mailing list. If this is true, maybe the list should take some action? Obviously none of us are responsible for any other members actions, but I dont think we should just accept this behavior.
Sean Jones wrote:
> Thats is very sad that someone had to steal a parts. But i do think that > there > prices should come down a bit. $275 for a 1981 craig stero seems to be a > little > much. But then other things are alot cheaper. I guess it will change
MODERATOR'S NOTE: It is indeed unfortunate that this seems to have happened (do we have accurate first-hand information on this or is it hear-say?). I would be interested in any suggestions you might have on how we might best go about righting the wrong. Obviously we all value the relationship we have with Steven and DMC, and appreciate his stellar service as well as his hospitality in hosting us at the warehouse. If there is a suitable approach to making ammends we should pursue it.
Knut Grimsrud Guest Moderator
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:50:42 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: Re: DML: warehouse theft
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I'd prefer to see the discussion heading towards constructive ways to address the issue rather than argue about how wrong it is (which I think is pretty well accepted).
Knut Grimsrud Guest Moderator
The price of the parts is no justification for theft. I think that you are missing the point. Stealing is wrong, there is no justification for it. A person that would steal a part that costs $200 would also steal a part that costs $50. A thief is a thief. The cost of the stolen parts has to be paid for by someone, guess what, that someone will be you and me.
Sean Jones wrote: > > Hello, > > Thats is very sad that someone had to steal a parts. But i do think that > there > prices should come down a bit. $275 for a 1981 craig stero seems to be a > little > much. But then other things are alot cheaper. I guess it will change after > they know exactly what they have and how much. Can they make reproduction > parts. Like panels and things? > > Sean > > Sean P Mullally wrote: > > > Well this is unfortunate. The DMC folk were extremely generous, and > > trusting, > > when they let us into their facility, even providing refreshments. They > > didn't > > have to do any of that! Alot of people enjoyed seeing the warehouse last > > weekend, but under the curcumstances, I would not blame DMC if they chose > > not > > to do this again. You said security identifed the people. Does this mean > the > > parts were recovered? Personally I would encourage DMC to press charges. > > Theft > > is never acceptable, but it is worst when someone has given their trust > like > > DMC did for us. > > > > -Sean Mullally > > vin 3868 > > > > >Yesterday, I was informed that this past weekends open house at the > > warehouse > > >would have been deemed worthwhile for DMC Houston if not for the blatent > > theft > > >of many valuable parts. Security personel witnessed and identified > several > > >people who are responsible for giving us all a bad name. Because of this > > >theft, I understand that we will not be allowed in the warehouse in the > > future. > > > These people have ruined it for all of the rest of us. Those of you > that > > are > > >responsible for the theft of the parts should be ashamed of yourselfs. I > > would > > >suggest that you try to make ammends for your crimes and beg forgivness. > > Steve > > >was very generous in allowing us to pick through his inventory like we > > would at > > >Walmart. I'm suprised that you were not arrested on the spot, myself, I > > would > > >have had you thrown in jail, which is still an option!
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:10:33 -0400 From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com> Subject: Re: DML: warehouse theft
Hello,
I know that the prices had nothing to with the theft. I should have sent 2 e-mails, or had 2 paragraphs. Sorry for the misconfusion. I think that the theif should return the parts and aks for forgivness, so that others can view parts and see the great warehouse. So when i get a DeLorean i can view the massive amount of parts.
Sean
Marc A Levy wrote:
> This made me think that my message may have not been clear. The theft > and the selling prcies were 2 seperate issues that just seem to follow > in my message when I wrote it. I am in no way saying that the theft had > anything to do with the prices! Even if you think something is too > expensive, that does not make it ok to steal it! > > Also, after re-reading the first message (Sean Mullally), it seems to > implicate that the guilty person(s) are members of this mailing list. > If this is true, maybe the list should take some action? Obviously none > of us are responsible for any other members actions, but I dont think we > should just accept this behavior. > > Sean Jones wrote: > > > Thats is very sad that someone had to steal a parts. But i do think that > > there > > prices should come down a bit. $275 for a 1981 craig stero seems to be a > > little > > much. But then other things are alot cheaper. I guess it will change > > MODERATOR'S NOTE: It is indeed unfortunate that this seems to have happened > (do we have accurate first-hand information on this or is it hear-say?). I > would be interested in any suggestions you might have on how we might best > go about righting the wrong. Obviously we all value the relationship we have > with Steven and DMC, and appreciate his stellar service as well as his > hospitality in hosting us at the warehouse. If there is a suitable approach > to making ammends we should pursue it. > > Knut Grimsrud > Guest Moderator
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:49:49 +0000 From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com Subject: DML: Warehouse theft - resolution suggestion
Hi,
It this is true it's a fairly small group to find the culprit in. Has anyone checked with Steven to find out if it is true?
Perhaps the money that was left over should be used to reimburse them for the loss. Then, maybe, next year or 2000 could be a repeat?
Chris
MODERATOR' NOTE: I don't think it would be productive to get into more detail on who/what in this forum. Thanks for your suggestion on a resolution.
Knut Grimsrud Guest Moderator
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:14:48 -0400 From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com> Subject: Re: DML: warehouse theft
Hello,
Your correct. Sorry moderator. We'll pay, but thats the wya the world goes. I just realy wanted to see the wherehouse some day, and rome freely. Ohh well. I get the point very well. Since i sent the first messgae i had the point. Even a baby would know it's wrong
Scott Mueller wrote:
> MODERATOR'S NOTE: I'd prefer to see the discussion heading towards > constructive ways to address the issue rather than argue about how wrong it > is (which I think is pretty well accepted). > > Knut Grimsrud > Guest Moderator > > The price of the parts is no justification for theft. I think that you > are missing the point. Stealing is wrong, there is no justification for > it. A person that would steal a part that costs $200 would also steal a > part that costs $50. A thief is a thief. The cost of the stolen parts > has to be paid for by someone, guess what, that someone will be you and > me. >
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:40:08 EDT From: My83DMC(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Who's DMC is it?
Hello!
I remember awhile back, maybe.. 2 years ago, I saw a DeLorean
come into my Junior High School parking lot.. Someone came up to it, opened
the door, literally threw their books in, and it *rumbled* off. I never saw
it
again, but I heard two reports about it..
One person said that he was coming out of the band hall, and he saw a DeLorean parked there.
Another High School friend said that he knew someone in High School that owned a DeLorean, but didn't know who.. (That doesn't make sense, I know.)
I guess this person went to college, or moved away.. This scenario took place in a "very" small town called Rusk, Texas. Is this person on the list? If so, I would like to talk to him..
- -=] Supratik Lahiri http://members.aol.com/Zamere/index2.htm DeLorean Headquarters My83DMC(AT)aol.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:57:46 -0500 (CDT) From: dlwrence(AT)ix.netcom.com Subject: DML: Re: The Best Vacuum Cleaner for a DeLorean
Mike,
Sorry for the lateness of this reply, but I subscribe to the digest version.
I am deffinetly not a first place concourse winner, and don't even own a DeLorean (hopefully to be rectified in the somewhat near future). I am, however, a car detailer. I use a run-of-the-mill wet/dry shop vac, the kind
you can get at Home Depot. Make sure to get one with all the attachments for cleaning those small, hard to reach places. Also be sure to pick up a heavy duty extention cord so you can reach both sides of the car. Also, a tip: clean your pedals. This is one of those things you don't notice until you see two cars side by side and one has clean pedals and the other does not. It makes a big difference and is often overlooked. Please, please don't use Armor-All though; it is way to slippery. I use Lexol Vinylex.
I have always felt bad that I can't provide all of you with help and assistance since I don't own a DeLorean, but if anyone wants advice and/or help on the appearance end of things, I would be more than happy to offer my
assistance.
On another note, I was sadly not able to attend the Cincinnatti show this past weekend, and now it seems that, thanks to some certain people, myself and many others may not ever get the chance to see the warehouse. It saddens me that there are those among us that would stoop so low as to steal
from people like Steve, who has provided 200 some-odd people with an experience they will never forget. Whoever you are, you have given some great people a very bad name.
Mike Lawrence VIN: Counting the days...
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:30:15 -0400 From: Vicki Miller <"1000mil(AT)gte.net"(AT)gte.net> Subject: DML: removing paint from cars
ref- painted deloreans... despite what you have been told or read, you can remove the paint from the cars..things need are: heat gun air craft grade stripper a flat plastic spoon and a whole lot of time....... the car i did was red a one time, other than the damage to the front fenders the rest of the car was straight...rest assured I will never buy another painted delorean.......stainless is the way to go.
bob miller questions call 919-383-6187 or email 1000mil(AT)gte.net
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 22:03:14 PDT From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody(AT)kih.net> Subject: DML: part prices
Although I didn't have a car to show this year, I'm working on one to be ready next time. In the past I have worked on Bricklins, porsche, Volkswagens, and currently drive a Taurus SHO and GMC typhoon. When you compare DMC parts to the domestic FORD, GMC, Chrysler stuff, parts do seem very very over priced. BUT, sometime if you run across a porsche 944, 911 owner, ask them what a clutch cost ? Hub bearing ? Rack assembly ? etc... Try finding a turbo for a VW G60 Corrado. I think you will find that us D owners are lucky to have parts and at the prices we can get them.
- -Brandon bsmoody(AT)kih.net
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 21:55:06 PDT From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody(AT)kih.net> Subject: Re: DML: Warehouse theft - resolution suggestion
Its very unfortunate that this happened. But, everyone must understand that if Steven or other employee/security person suspected that theft was occuring, they have a very important decision to make. They have much more at risk than the value of the part(s). Unless one or more people are absolutely beyond a doubt sure that someone had taken something without paying, then it would not be in their best interest to approach that person and accuse them of theft. If wrongly accused, it could cause bad feelings and loss of business plus public humiliation of the person. If they didn't pay for their parts, they will get hit another way in the future. I'm sure that when they call DMC houston, PJ Grady, Etc.. the next time, the welcome will probably not be as nice. Plus, they are probably on the list watching all of this. So, I would say that they will not be showing their faces around car shows in the future.
Sorry for rambling, but its just my thoughts. I am curious to what was taken ?
- -Brandon
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:43:43 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: Windshield availability
At 01:44 PM 6/17/98 -0400, you wrote: ........................... I thought the Delorean windshields were all gone?! I saw a few crates of them at the warehouse, and they looked to be in good shape........................
reply:
Last fall I replaced my windshield because it was not an original. There was at least one thread here on the DML about this subject.............I could have told you that Steve had them in stock! You can get just about any part you need from Steve.
Lee
Radiance Software International 1726 Francisco Street Berkeley California 94703 USA Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613 lseiler(AT)radiance.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:34:43 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: WAREHOUSE Theft
At 10:27 AM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >Yesterday, I was informed that this past weekends open house at the >warehouse would have been deemed worthwhile for DMC Houston if not for >the blatent theft of many valuable parts. Security personel witnessed >and identified several people who are responsible for giving us all a >bad name..........
reply:
I found this post very disturbing, If this "report" is true I would like to see the name of people who are suspected of theft. I expect that if the thefts actually took place that Steve will prosecute every single person involved, no exceptions. I would also expect that any person found guilty would be expelled from the DML, and from any DMC organization. There is simply no excuse for stealing parts. What's more because of the seriousness of the charges I expect to see the source of the information, and I expect to see every one involved with the Ohio doings to take an active part in settling the matter ASAP. I include in this the organizers, the folks at Houston, and every one who attended, including any one who pocketed a part. I assume no one walked off with a front left fender panel in his pocket. If some one needed a part that bad, why not ask Steve or any one of us for a bit of help. This really pisses me off!
note: James I know you don't like any trouble here on the list, but I just don't think any DMC owner would condone stealing from Steve. Please post the above.
Lee
Radiance Software International 1726 Francisco Street Berkeley California 94703 USA Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613 lseiler(AT)radiance.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:38:38 EDT From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: warehouse theft
Another good thing gone sour. Now we all have to suffer. Some people are just that way. You can dress them, just can't take them no where. They have a pair of brass b-lls. What can they have taken? In front of everyone even?
Kayo Ong
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:09:28 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Warehouse theft - resolution suggestion
At 03:49 PM 6/17/98 +0000, you wrote:
> >MODERATOR' NOTE: I don't think it would be productive to get into more >detail on who/what in this forum. Thanks for your suggestion on a >resolution. > > Knut Grimsrud > Guest Moderator Knut,
I feel it's real unfair to have posted the start of this thread and then cut it off after half a dozen replies. Every Delorean owner has been hurt by this incident, and we all should have both an opportunity to discover just what happened and who was involved. I was not even there, but I may now not be allowed to gain access to the Ohio or Houston warehouses because of the theft, I would like to know who has created the problem and I like even less not being able to fix the problem with help from other DML members. I or others might be able to offer Steve something in the way of a member apology or something to show that his efforts and his trust were well placed In my opinion it is very poor judgement to post something so inflammatory to the DML and then cut off all discussion after just a few responce. Yes I know this is James list to do what he wants and he/you can be capricious, but I must point out that the subject and the general consequences are quite serious. I think you should allow it to continue, with a warning to keep the discussion clean and with in the rules. Access to parts and Delorean related events is quite important.
lee
Radiance Software International 1726 Francisco Street Berkeley California 94703 USA Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613 lseiler(AT)radiance.com
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I have dropped very few postings on this thread thus far as manifest by the barrage of messages along the thread and the discussion is clearly not cut off. However, I would prefer to see the discussion concentrate on postivie aspects of how this issue can be resolved. Continued postings on the poor judgement excercised by the individuals involved is not adding any new information to this thread (I think we can all agree that on that) and it's time to explore ways in which to resolve the problem and attempt to restore the damage done to our relationship with DMC (Houston).
Knut Grimsrud Guest Moderator
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:19:38 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Part Prices and DeLorean Viability
Brandon said:
> . . . sometime if you run across a porsche 944, 911 owner, ask > them what a clutch cost ? Hub bearing ? Rack assembly ? etc... > Try finding a turbo for a VW G60 Corrado. I think you will find that > us D owners are lucky to have parts and at the prices we can get > them.
Brandon is right. Last month my wife's Porsche 924S (a 944 with slim fenders) needed some parts. I shopped around and discovered that many Porsche parts were about the same or more expensive than DeLorean parts, and some are very hard to find.
As a firm believer in capitalistic free enterprise, I always encourage everyone to shop around for the best price on everything. The opportunities to shop around or interchange Porsche parts seem to be much more limited than DeLorean parts. A few VW parts will work, but those aren't cheap either!
I am tempted to say that we DeLorean owners are lucky to have so many possible sources for so many parts, but luck has nothing to do with it. I appreciate the foresight of John Z. DeLorean, and the contributions of Marvin Katz, Rob Grady, Stephen Wynn, James Espey, Knut Grimsrud, Dave Bauerle, Leif Montin, John Truscott, Ed Bernstien, and many others.
Each of these people has done one or more specific things that helped make my DeLorean a more viable daily driver after 17 years than it was the day it was manufactured.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:06:03 -0500 From: Stephen Wynne <delorean(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: Columbus Event
To all of you on the list: We appreciate your concern and outrage. We = are composing a more thoughtful reply and will post it soon. Until = then, we urge you to return to the everyday business of the list, which = is the care and feeding of your Deloreans. Regards, Stephen and the DMC = Staff.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:59:07 EDT From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Engine swap
Hey Brandon,
Any chance that a SHO engine would fit in a 'D'? Might be the perfect solution> Regards, Joe
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:00:29 PDT From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody(AT)kih.net> Subject: Re: DML: Engine swap
> Hey Brandon, > > Any chance that a SHO engine would fit in a 'D'? Might be the perfect > solution> > Regards, Joe
Joe ( and everyone else). I am still working on a project car with a friend that is going to have a different engine. The SHO was just one that we are looking into. I have owned an SHO since 1993 and love it. Its really a small engine (3.0 - 3.2) L so size is not a problem. However, it was made only for the SHO Taurus and is set up in a FWD format. When placed in the D in the rear facing mount, then things don't work really well. Lots of custom hardware would have to be fabricated just to cradle the engine. Probably the hardest part would be the OBD system and EEM. I will post something in the future when a decision is made.
- -Brandon bsmoody(AT)kih.net
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:01:48 -0600 From: Greg Guillot <gguillot(AT)mccno.com> Subject: DML: "Di-electric" grease
For those of you who were at the tech session held by Rob Grady, he mentioned using di-electric grease, or grease that does not conduct electricity. Rob stated that dielectric grease should be used to lubricate and protect electrical connections since the grease will not ground out electrical circuits. Unfortunately, no one seemed real clear on exactly what type of grease is actually "di-electric." Well, when I returned home, I used my multitestor to check the White Lithium grease that I have been using, and sure enough - it is non-conductive. The brand I have is Gunk White Lithium grease, which I purchased at Pep Boys. This stuff is also used on mechanical parts, such as hinges, etc. I have been using it to lubricate all parts as I go through the car and clean and relubricate all connections and joints/hinges. If anyone who is more electrically or mechanically inclined has a better idea, please share it with us.
Greg Guillot VIN #2926
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:06:31 -0600 From: "Gremlin" <gremlin(AT)gremlin.net> Subject: DML: Re: Who's DMC is it?
- -----Original Message----- From: My83DMC(AT)aol.com <My83DMC(AT)aol.com> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com <dmcnews(AT)world.std.com> Date: Thursday, 18 June, 1998 08:44 Subject: DML: Who's DMC is it?
> Hello! > I remember awhile back, maybe.. 2 years ago, I saw a DeLorean >come into my Junior High School parking lot.. Someone came up to it, opened >the door, literally threw their books in, and it *rumbled* off. SNIP
At the risk of playing devil's advocate, it seems important to remember that these cars, like any cars, are possessions. I took pretty good care of mine [and regret selling it to this day] but it's not technically against the law to abuse what really amounts to a mode of transportation. Sure, it seems inappropriate to us [I'm guessing that everyone on this list felt a certain revulsion in seeing the DeLorean destroyed at the conclusion of BTTF3] but, to some, it's all just normal wear-and-tear on a vehicle notorious for developing its own problems, regardless of treatment. I've seen people trash things like Vectors, which are rather less replaceable than DeLoreans, simply because they can afford to, and don't really feel guilty about the mindless exorbiance of wrecking a $300,000 car. As stupid and, possibly, evil as it may seem to the observer, it's still the prerogative of the owner to treat a possession his own way.
Sorry if this seems like an inappropriate reply to the mention of lobbing books into a 'rumbling' DeLorean; but it sorta looks like it could become the ever-recycled topic of losers who drive wih their doors open, etc. Essentially, the point is 'take care of your own car, if you want it to look and run like new'. But, about looking over the fence to see what sort of injustice your neighbour is up to...unless the preservation of DeLoreans can be protected under spousal abuse laws or something, the best we can hope for is a string of 'what a shame' responses over the habits of a minority of DeLorean owners who can't tell a DeLorean from a Datsun.
- --Gremlin webmaster(AT)gremlin.net http://gremlin.net
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:40:20 +0000 From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com Subject: Re: DML: "Di-electric" grease
Hi,
Don't know about the product mentioned but the only grease I know of that is truly di-electric is sold through electrical supply houses. It's primary use is to stop electrolysis in incompatible metals like steel and aluminum. The brand I use is "Ilsco De-Ox". In building it's required where the main power cables enter the panel, Aluminum cable entering copper clamps. Electrolysis will result in pitting of both surfaces and an oxide forming that resists current flow and results in heat at the junction. Another effect is that incompatible metals, whether or not electricity is present, might as well be welded together ( Try removing the brass plug on the left intake rail on your engine ).
Chris
> For those of you who were at the tech session held by Rob Grady, he > mentioned using di-electric grease, or grease that does not conduct > electricity. Rob stated that dielectric grease should be used to > lubricate and protect electrical connections since the grease will > not ground out electrical circuits. Unfortunately, no one seemed real > clear on exactly what type of grease is actually "di-electric." Well, > when I returned home, I used my multitestor to check the White > Lithium grease that I have been using, and sure enough - it is > non-conductive. The brand I have is Gunk White Lithium grease, which > I purchased at Pep Boys. This stuff is also used on mechanical parts, > such as hinges, etc. I have been using it to lubricate all parts as I > go through the car and clean and relubricate all connections and > joints/hinges. > If anyone who is more electrically or mechanically inclined has a > better idea, please share it with us. > > Greg Guillot > VIN #2926 > > > >
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