Wednesday, June 24 1998 Volume 03 : Number 381
In this issue:
DML: Delorean show 2000?
Re: DML: Re: Tension bar adjustment
Re: DML: Side saddle
DML: Good answer, but to the wrong problem
Re: DML: Delorean show 2000?
Re: DML: Side saddle
Re: DML: Side saddle
DML: DeLorean WANTED
DML: unexpected shut off part 2
DML: Steering
DML: John Z. DeLorean Survey
DML: Baffle Substitute
Re: DML: Re: unexpected shut off
DML: Alternator Problems?
DML: Temperature rise on freeway
Re: DML: price adjustment
Re: DML: Delorean show 2000?
Re: DML: Re: unexpected shut off
DML: Inspector Gadget's DeLorean?
DML: Quest for Interchange Steering Rack
DML: Back in the saddle (hot seat?) again...
DML: [admin] DML, DeLorean Owners Directory, new 'zine, and more!
DML: Grey Door Handles For Sale
Re: DML: Temperature rise on freeway
Re: DML: Back in the saddle (hot seat?) again...
DML: New DeLoreans
Re: DML: Alternate Fuels
DML: Re: Baffle Substitute
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:08:59 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: DML: Delorean show 2000?
Ken spoke about having the 2KDMC Show at the R&R hall of fame.
This would be really great, but it may be too expensive...
Take a look at http://www.c-edge.com/shotimes/SHO0shohio98.html This is a page on the taurus SHO 1998 show.
here is the relevant information:
>When the Convention was being planned it was my idea to hold the Banquet at the Rock & Roll >Hall of Fame + Museum. I thought since so many of our members had grown-up during the >"Golden Years" of "Rock & Roll," our membership would enjoy having the Banquet for >SHOHIO '98 at the "Rock Hall" among all the "memorabilia!" After all the costs for the event >(Rock Hall rental, $1,000,000 insurance policy, Catering, Tables & Chairs, Bar set-ups and >parking 2-3 blocks from site at additional cost), it just became too expensive! > >All of our Convention Committee members agreed the cost for the Banquet was too high! >Members responding to our survey in the SHO REGISTRY and another on the internet, >confirmed the price was high. GOOD NEWS!! We are listening and doing what is desired. >The Banquet will be held at the Hotel costing $36.00 per person (Prime Rib Buffet including 2 >other entree selections). The "revised" Registration Form is enclosed. For those already >registered, money will be refunded. If you have not decided on the Banquet due to previous >cost, now you have a better option.
I'd still like to see it at the R&R, but this does not make it look too good!
Ken: maybe this guy can give you some good information...
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:18:12 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Tension bar adjustment
At 04:29 PM 6/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >Jeff, >Yes; you will break the rear window if you remove the torsion bar retainer >plate bolts.
comment:
Jeff, PLEASE take Joe's advice.....Don't touch the torsion bars until you really understand that you can ruin your DMC, breaking the rear window will be the least of your problems. you could twist the "T" top and then you would have two doors that would never align and possibly never open and close again.
I have a slouchy passenger side door, and intend to wait until this fall to have Rob or DeLorean One make the adjustment. I have done some fairly harry repairs on my DMC, but the Doors require the right tools and two guy who know what they are doing.
One favor you can do for us all: If you decide to go ahead with out tools and help, and your break your "D", would you post in detail the events? Please. It would be of great help to all list members to understand what the consequences can be when such an adjustment goes wrong.
Good Luck
Lee 81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:47:55 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Side saddle
At 01:54 AM 6/23/98 +0100, you wrote: >I'm not convinced :-) If you watch the bit where Doc Brown is controlling >the >car with einstein in it and pause it at the right moment, you can clearly >see >"Goodyear Eagle GT". Incidentally, for the bit where the rear wheels are >spinning away on the spot, did you know they had to jack the back of the car >up? > >Also the bit at the end when Marty gets out to put the connecting pole in >the >top, the front has obviously been lowered.
reply:
Martin,
I love how sharp DMC owners are! I went back and still framed the areas you mentioned as well as reviewing the BTTF from beginning to end. We will have to get an expert in on this one now, I agree that it does look like Good year is painted on the tires, but in a couple of shots the tread looks like the Pirelli tread. Now I am wondering if the Good year logo was just painted on Pirelli black walls? Or if there was more than one set of tires? An interesting project!
I also agree that the scene you describe does look lowered, but I can't find any press shots of the BTTF from the side that show anything but the nose up configuration. I spent a number of years working in commercial TV ad production, and if the film industry is any thing like the ad biz' it is unlikely that the DMC used was ever the same day after day.
I was actually aware the "D" was on a jack to get the tires to smoke out! Even on very wet pavement I can get much more than a squeal from my Goodyears.......they just grab and slam me into the seat.......wink<
Lee 81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:38:29 -0500 From: "Hershey, Mark" <MHershey(AT)obiwan.Intecom.com> Subject: DML: Good answer, but to the wrong problem
Might want to disregard my last post, at least as it applies to John's unexpected shutoff problem. The obvious part I managed to miss was:
" When it did cut off there was still power to the door lights and interior lights only, no radio power, no a/c function, no gauges, ingition did nothing."
(which was most of the message!)
Helloooooo.....I completely ignored where he clearly mentioned the other stuff not working! No way my answer would explain the other accessories being non-functional. Joe at DeLorean Services was absolutely correct... it has to be related to the accessory relay, either to it's primary(coil) circuit or to the loads/associated wiring it's contacts switch, or the relay itself. Daahhh, as my kids would say....the exact list of devices powered through the relay just happens to be the list of things that don't work on John's car for those 40 minutes.
Should be fairly easy to find/fix as Joe instructed. Glad I don't make my living doing this. Glad he, Stephen, and P.J. do....
If anyone out there just happens to have a Car Dies Unexpectedly where Most Everything Else Works problem, please recycle my last answer.
Mark Hershey Former Lucas Electric design engineer (just kidding) Newly Enrolled in Listening 101 VIN 2790 for ten years now Plano, Texas
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:37:41 EDT From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Delorean show 2000?
Relax the prices they quoted you are no good and anytime you have an event as opposed to a gathering the rates tend to get a little better. I have already booked the R&R Hall for much less than what you indicate but it will be a bit more than the Cincinnati Event since I was a bit low there and prices do go up. Don't worry I don't overpay for anything and you will get the best value for your dollar. Parking will be out front not two to three blocks away. I don't have it nailed down yet and the Crawford Museum has made me a fantastic deal so if the R&R and Science Museum want our business they need to negotiate. The Museum in cincinnati was over $3000 when I started and I got if for about half so never accept the first price. Give me a chance and I'll see you at the R&R in 2000 bye Ken
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:17:07 +0100 From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101(AT)york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: DML: Side saddle
Just a small point to carry on this thread:
The scene I mentioned where Marty gets out to put the connection pole in place, he has just power-slid the car round. I heard they had to put oil on the road to allow the driver to do this because the D, just as you say, sticks to the road like the proverbial brown stuff to a blanket. Maybe they put some weight in the trunk to take some bias off the rear wheels, and that's why it looks lowered...?
Best wishes,
Martin
lseiler(AT)radiance.com wrote:
> At 01:54 AM 6/23/98 +0100, you wrote: > >I'm not convinced :-) If you watch the bit where Doc Brown is controlling > >the > >car with einstein in it and pause it at the right moment, you can clearly > >see > >"Goodyear Eagle GT". Incidentally, for the bit where the rear wheels are > >spinning away on the spot, did you know they had to jack the back of the > car > >up? > > > >Also the bit at the end when Marty gets out to put the connecting pole in > >the > >top, the front has obviously been lowered. > > reply: > > Martin, > > I love how sharp DMC owners are! I went back and still framed the > areas > you mentioned as well as reviewing the BTTF from beginning to end. We will > have to get an expert in on this one now, I agree that it does look like > Good year is painted on the tires, but in a couple of shots the tread looks > like the Pirelli tread. Now I am wondering if the Good year logo was just > painted on Pirelli black walls? Or if there was more than one set of tires? > An interesting project! > > I also agree that the scene you describe does look lowered, but I > can't > find any press shots of the BTTF from the side that show anything but the > nose up configuration. I spent a number of years working in commercial TV > ad production, and if the film industry is any thing like the ad biz' it is > unlikely that the DMC used was ever the same day after day. > > I was actually aware the "D" was on a jack to get the tires to smoke > out! > Even on very wet pavement I can get much more than a squeal from my > Goodyears.......they just grab and slam me into the seat.......wink< > > Lee > 81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:09:13 -0400 From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com> Subject: Re: DML: Side saddle
Hello,
I think the reason why there are 2 dirent kinds of tires, is that there are a few diffrent cars. A a minor detail like that can be illuded, and the normal not looking person wouldn't know it.
Sean
lseiler(AT)radiance.com wrote:
> At 01:54 AM 6/23/98 +0100, you wrote: > >I'm not convinced :-) If you watch the bit where Doc Brown is controlling > >the > >car with einstein in it and pause it at the right moment, you can clearly > >see > >"Goodyear Eagle GT". Incidentally, for the bit where the rear wheels are > >spinning away on the spot, did you know they had to jack the back of the > car > >up? > > > >Also the bit at the end when Marty gets out to put the connecting pole in > >the > >top, the front has obviously been lowered. > > reply: > > Martin, > > I love how sharp DMC owners are! I went back and still framed the > areas > you mentioned as well as reviewing the BTTF from beginning to end. We will > have to get an expert in on this one now, I agree that it does look like > Good year is painted on the tires, but in a couple of shots the tread looks > like the Pirelli tread. Now I am wondering if the Good year logo was just > painted on Pirelli black walls? Or if there was more than one set of tires? > An interesting project! > > I also agree that the scene you describe does look lowered, but I > can't > find any press shots of the BTTF from the side that show anything but the > nose up configuration. I spent a number of years working in commercial TV > ad production, and if the film industry is any thing like the ad biz' it is > unlikely that the DMC used was ever the same day after day. > > I was actually aware the "D" was on a jack to get the tires to smoke > out! > Even on very wet pavement I can get much more than a squeal from my > Goodyears.......they just grab and slam me into the seat.......wink< > > Lee > 81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:29:26 PDT From: "Bill Lancz" <blancz(AT)hotmail.com> Subject: DML: DeLorean WANTED
I am looking for a DeLorean in the price range of Below $15,000 some minor work is ok. Preferrably in the Midwest reigon. Please send me information via e-mail to blancz(AT)hotmail.com. Thanks, Bill Lancz
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:00:16 -0400 From: John Murray <jwmurray(AT)gate.net> Subject: DML: unexpected shut off part 2
Hi list,
Thanks for all your suggestions! I did figure out the shut off problem. One of the previous owners had installed an Ungo alarm system. There were exposed and bare wires everywhere under the dash. I suspect after having the A/C worked on some wires were moved around, and whammo..."unexpected shut off". The ignition relay was getting shorted or grounded out, hence no power to the ignition, but power to the door and interior lights. Needless to say that is all fixed now. The alternator is of the motorola flavor and the battery is really strong(as evidenced by my weekly car shows at night with the parking lights left on as well as the doors left open for hours, never a problem....yet!) Once again thank you all who helped! Joe at DeLorean Services took the bull by the horns and help me figure that and a few more things out......I love that guy!
John Murray VIN# 2390 FL Lic. 81DMC12 <----thats for you Lee......wink
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: max headroom <_designer_(AT)yahoo.com> Subject: DML: Steering
Hello all.
I am looking for a steering rack. Anyone know the cross-refernce number for this item, so I can run to the auto part store? I can't afford DMC retail pricing.
Thanks in advance for your help. Hope Father's day was a treat! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free (AT)yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:57:54 -0700 From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye(AT)creativeworlds.com> Subject: DML: John Z. DeLorean Survey
If you have time, please fill out the survey at:
http://www.creativeworlds.com/jzd/
It's a short survey trying to see who'd be interested in getting John Z. DeLorean to attend the year 2000 Cleveland DeLorean gathering.
Thank you.
- -Daniel McGauley
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:28:00 -0700 From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye(AT)creativeworlds.com> Subject: DML: Baffle Substitute
The Ohio trip was lovely and as usual my DeLorean made a long trip unscathed, however, as usual, my DeLorean broke down after the long trip. After arriving back in Chicago my car completely died. Quite rapidly, I discovered it was the fuel pump. That was weird because the fuel pump was brand new. My mechanic replaced the fuel pump with a brand new one (it's super quiet and has a life-time warranty!!). I can get the part number to this new pump if anyone is interested but he said it was designed recently and is more reliable; I'm rather impressed with it so far and was happy it is identical in shape and size to the original. It was about $100 more then a pump from the big three, but the lifetime warranty was too inticing. I worked with the mechanic most of the time as he worked on the car, and when he pulled the pump up, I saw the baffle assembly come up with it! When I replaced the pump a few months ago, I replaced every component in the fuel tank (EVERYTHING except the two metal wire clamps), so all of it was in top top shape then, and I KNEW that the baffle wasn't supposed to pop up like that. I think that's what killed the pump. I think it was sucking air every once in awhile and that burnt the pump out. I either thought I didn't put the baffle in right or someone else didn't, but as I looked closer, I realized that the baffle had just broken off the bottom of the tank. There is a small bolt on the tank that allows the baffle handle and the two clips to be bolted down. Stephen Wynne said this happens sometimes and that I could epoxy it back on, but I decide to try something different.
The fuel filter screen at the bottom of the pickup hose was shot too, even though it was new. I think it was reconditioned or something because it looked like elmers glue was holding it together. This part used to be unavailable but I believe Stephen had them remanufactured recently in case anyone's interested. My mechanic and I studied the baffle for about 30 minutes and figured the only purpose of the baffle assembly (correct me if I'm wrong) is to prevent the car from stalling on low tanks of gas on sharp turns. It keeps the fuel at the exact same level as the rest of the tank unless a corner is taken sharply, and then the rest of the tank sloshes around while the baffle holds the fuel together for the pickup hose temporarily. That entire unit seemed overkill (and expensive) for this job, so we, or rather, HE redesigned the baffle. I wish I could take credit, but I just paid for the bill and helped troubleshoot some of it.
He took the top of those big red flexible funnels for filling up gas tanks and cut off and threw away the umbilical part of it. What's left is the main part of the baffle. He turned that upside down so it would fit flush with the bottom of the tank, then he cut numerous small round holes all around the perimeter to allow atmospheric pressure to maintain a constant level with the rest of the fuel in the tank and two bigger holes, one of which has the return hose going into it. The top of the 'baffle' (it used to be where the umbilical started) has about 20 slits cut into it to provide a good fit around the fuel pump. This is clamped on too. Now the fuel pump has a SMALL hose (I think pvc pipe or something similar) that goes straight into a modern fuel filter (more reliable and CHEAPER). The hose is to make sure the fuel filter lies on the bottom of the tank to get as much fuel as possible. He told me not to drive my car below half a tank of gas though because the fuel is what keeps the fuel pump cool. Makes sense to me.
He installed the unit before I could take pictures, but I can take it back out again someday if anyone wants to see it. I'm not recommending this course of action for anyone else, but I wanted to put my two cents in on the baffle and let everyone know that the car is driving great with the new pump and new assembly. I bought all of the baffle stuff and still have it, but I thought it would be interesting to simplify the DeLorean fuel tank, thereby making it cheaper and much more reliable. Sorry so long-winded.
- -Daniel McGauley
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:47:00 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: Re: DML: Re: unexpected shut off
Joe, You may have stumped me on this one, here's what I know. The delay circuit, like many other electrical items in the car, was of poor design. The problem you have described is common. The circuit is rather complex consisting of four switches ( two door switches and a switch in each interior lamp) eight lamps (the six door marker lamps are part of this circuit) and three diodes. Partial switch operation, such as when you crack the door confuses the delay module and it doesn't do what it was designed to do. If you want to take on a rather complex electronic project order copies of DeLorean World No. 11 and No. 13. Both issues contain detailed instructions with a schematic diagram on how to modify this circuit so it will do what it was designed to do. Joe/DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: Re: DML: Re: unexpected shut off > Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 11:14 PM > > Dear Joe, > Here's another one for you.If I crack the doors, the time delay on the > courtsey lights work fine. But, if I actually get in the car and close the > door...they almost never work. I've upgraded the relay and cleaned the > connectors. Any suggestions would help to cure one of those 'little' things > that can drive one crazy. Many thanks, Joe (vin 1273) >
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:36:44 -0700 From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye(AT)creativeworlds.com> Subject: DML: Alternator Problems?
I'm having a few problems that I think are all related, but I need advice if anyone has any.
First off, I have a brand new Ducy Alternator 80amp. It's new, but from what I understand, underpowered for our cars.
When I'm driving at night, quite often my lights inside and out quiver bright to dim and back again in a sinusodial type of pattern. Even if I shut everything off, I get the same effect. This is a semi-recent problem. It was not doing this until a trip to DMC Houston where the thing I think set it off was the installation of a new CD Player. I think that pushed the Alternator over its limits, but I'm not very electrically inclined, so I might be speaking nonesense. Stephen didn't do any other work associated with that, so I'm leaning toward the CD player as the reason, but even when it's off I have the same effect. Another recent problem is that, quite often, when I'm driving and take my foot completely off of the accelerator to break or take a corner, my car dies. Today it happened again, except the 2nd time it happened today, I just got the battery light on the dash and that sounded like it was about to die, and then the light went off and the car seemed to get power again.
These all sound like an underpowered alternator, but I wanted to get more advice before dishing out $$. Any suggestions on a good alternator?
One final question. My mechanic said he could take my 80 amp alternator and supe it up to 120 amps. Is there a downside to this? It's cheaper then buying a new alternator and it's more powerful, but I feel like I'm missing something.
Thanks in advance!
- -Daniel
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Date: 23 Jun 1998 08:00:08 -0500 From: Dave.Sontos(AT)cooperauto.com Subject: DML: Temperature rise on freeway
I've noticed that my temperature guage climbs to around 200+ when I'm driving the freeway speed 60-70 mph. When I am in town temperature is rock solid 150. I've checked for air in the pump, the coolant bottle has about 1-1/2" - 2" of air in it, A/C is in Normal position, fans ARE running. Car is automatic with original radiator (?) w/100,000 miles.
When I exit freeway, temp returns to normal in 5-10 minutes. I am assuming this is NOT normal. Any suggestions?
Thanks, Dave VIN 2573
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:56:31 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: price adjustment
At 02:06 PM 6/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >I thought the recent robbery in Houston was pretty bad but after I got = >calls from people saying that my asking price for a Delorean at 27, 000 = >was downright criminal, I thought I committed a more heanous crime. So = >after taking all of your comments at heart, I=27ve decided that I can let = >this 1981 grey interior auto trans VIN 5218 with 5, 041 miles go at around = >=2416, 000. I know I said before its been sitting around, but covered for = >14 or so years. But we spent a lot of money bringing this thing back to = >life. Still looking for the original sales sticker. Serious inquiries = >invited. Any further suggestions on price welcomed. Thanks again. > > > Reply:
I could not agree more, $2,416,000.00 seams like a reasonable price to me. It's tragic I can not take advantage of such a deal, but I have a DMC but a few feet from this very spot. It's good to see a reasonable pricing stratagem for once.
At your asking price I don't think it will take long before it's snapped right up.
Lee
Lee 81DMC-12
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:52:33 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Delorean show 2000?
Woah! Is this a official announcement?! DMC 2K will be at R&R??
Maybe you should give some advice to the SHO club! :)
BTW, I did not doubt that you were working to keep cost down, I just figured that information may be of some help.
KKoncelik(AT)aol.com wrote: > > Relax the prices they quoted you are no good and anytime you have an event > as > opposed to a gathering the rates tend to get a little better. I have > already > booked the R&R Hall for much less than what you indicate but it will be a > bit > more than the Cincinnati Event since I was a bit low there and prices do go > up. Don't worry I don't overpay for anything and you will get the best > value > for your dollar. Parking will be out front not two to three blocks away. I > don't have it nailed down yet and the Crawford Museum has made me a > fantastic > deal so if the R&R and Science Museum want our business they need to > negotiate. The Museum in cincinnati was over $3000 when I started and I got > if for about half so never accept the first price. > Give me a chance and I'll see you at the R&R in 2000 > bye > Ken
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:27:19 EDT From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re: unexpected shut off
Thanks Joe,
Here's another one for you. I have an automatic trannie and everytime I hand shift it, reverse, low, ect., the seatbelt light in the instrument cluster comes on for about 15 seconds????? I know it ain't a biggie, but if you have any ideas I would be greatfull. Thanks again, Joe (vin1273)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike, Ch.E. at Large" <msg48(AT)columbia.edu> Subject: DML: Inspector Gadget's DeLorean?
This incident happened two years ago. I was in 12th grade in high school, and was talking with a friend about DeLoreans. Suddenly, he says, "Didn't Inspector Gadget drive a DeLorean?"
I thought back to the cartoon (which still airs, I believe -- in reruns), and I did remember the "Gadget Mobile", this whitish car that really had a similar shape to a DeLorean. I don't remember gullwing doors, but the rear window did have the slats (louvre?). The show debuted in 1983, right when the DeLorean bit the big one. COINCIDENCE? :)
- -= Mike =-
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:48:31 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Quest for Interchange Steering Rack
Max Headroom asked: > I am looking for a steering rack. Anyone know the cross-refernce > number for this item, so I can run to the auto part store?
Do you have Knut Grimsrud's parts interchange database program? Go to the DMCNews website at www.dmcnews.com to get a copy.
As I understand it, even the normal DeLorean parts sources have trouble finding steering racks for you. When I needed one last year some of them told me they can't get steering racks at all. I took this as a sign that there is no interchange match for the DeLorean steering rack.
A few years ago I heard a rumor that the DeLorean used a Ford Pinto rack. Last year I asked the DML if this was true and not one person responded, so I assume the rumor is wrong.
Good luck in your quest. If you don't find a rack, Dave Bauerle sells remanufactured DeLorean racks for reasonable prices. I have one and they work great.
His number is (614) 595-3348.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 13:03:32 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: Back in the saddle (hot seat?) again...
I have resumed the duties of moderator and must give Knut a big thanks for running the list during my extended vacation. As I mentioned earlier, two weeks and 4400+ miles in the DeLorean have proven to me again that the DeLorean is just a great car.
Thanks again, Knut! With all the beers I owe you, you should start a brewery!
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 13:12:05 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: [admin] DML, DeLorean Owners Directory, new 'zine, and more!
MODERATION OF THE LIST - ----------------------
Thanks go out to our favorite Guest Moderator, Knut Grimsrud, who quite ably handled the duties of the list from the 5th through the 23rd.
DELOREAN OWNERS DIRECTORY - -------------------------
The new DeLorean Owners Directory is completed and contains over 430 entries. It is available for download from the the DMC-News lounge now. If you registered, but do not yet have a login and password, they are "in process" and you should have it in the next week or so. In addition to the PDF version from the website, a printed version will be distributed to registrants that supplied a complete mailing address. Many people picked up their copy in Ohio and many new people registered.
If you are a DeLorean owner new to the DeLorean Mailing List and wish to be listed in the DeLorean Owners Directory, check out:
http://www.dmcnews.com/directory.html
If you do not have web access, send me an email with the subject "SEND FORM" and I will email you a text version.
NOTE: The DOA is going to try a member directory now, and if you are a member, I encourage you to register for it also. Communication amongst owners is the most valuable thing we can have.
BUY 'N SELL - -----------
The "Buy 'n Sell" area of the DMC-News web page has proven to be more popular than I can maintain. If anyone is interested in handling this section of the DMC-News web page, please email me. HTML experience helpful, but not necessary. In the meantime, it will be updated as time permits.
BACK ISSUES - -----------
The back issues are fairly current, and I am also looking for someone to help out maintaining those as well. Again, email me if interested. HTML experience helpful, but not necessary. An improved search engine is in the works, too. I expect to introduce it this summer.
DMC-NEWS, THE 'ZINE - -------------------
The latest 'zine already has nearly 300 downloads! I apologize for the long delay between issues. I held off on this issue, hoping that the DeLorean Motor Club would produce something substantial sooner than they did. Contrary to some rumors, the 'zine WILL CONTINUE now that the DeLorean Motor Club now actively publishing.
CINCINNATI DELOREAN SHOW - ------------------------
We all know that the show was a smash hit and the biggest complaint is that we have to wait until 2000 for another one. Thanks for a great show, Ken!
WAHT MAKES THE DELOREAN MAILING LIST=A0AND DMC-NEWS GO 'ROUND? - ------------------------------------------------------------
To clear up any misunderstanding, at this time the DeLorean Mailing List and DMC-News web page and 'zine are run completely out of my pocket. All time that is expended is my "spare" time. I am not affiliated with any parts/service facility or owners club. The expense of running the list and server space is paid for by poster, book and license plate sales. If you feel you benefit from the existence of this list, the web pages or the 'zine and feel you should to contribute to their continued existence, feel free to buy a poster, emblem, book or license plate.
http://www.dmcnews.com/support.html
As mentioned above, volunteers to help out with the web page and HTML are being sought. In addition to the obvious fame and glory that would acompany your affiliation with the DML=A0and DMC-News, some other compensation may be available.
Does that sound like a PBS pledge drive or what?
WE CONTINUE TO GROW!!! - ----------------------
A DeLorean Mailing List milestone was reached last month when I added our 1,000th subscriber. As a reminder, the DeLorean Mailing List started in August of 1995 - phenomenal growth for an internet-only group in such a narrow are of interest!
With this many people on the DeLorean Mailing List, the moderation is both more important and more time consuming (as Knut will probably attest). Message traffic is very high at times, but I think the content level is very good compared to other lists out there.
PLEASE, PLEASE put a some extra thought into your postings and responses, particularly in the areas of subject lines (keep them accurate to the body of your message) and quoted text - (SNIP) areas that are not appropriate to your response.
Also, learn how to configure your email program so that it does not add an HTML version or encoded version of your message to your text version. Effective later this week these will be automatically returned to the sender.
IN CLOSING... - -------------
Sorry for the length of this message, but it had been a while since we talked. It was a lot of fun to meet so many DML'ers in Ohio last week, as the awards were given out, I recognized so many names from the DML, you'd have thought it was DML event. Thanks again for all your kind words, without you all it would not be near this much fun.
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:20:53 -0700 From: luuke(AT)primenet.com Subject: DML: Grey Door Handles For Sale
Hello fellow DMLers; I just want to say that it was a pleasure meeting alot of you face to face at the recent Ohio event. Anyway, while I was at the warehouse, I was informed by James that my car (with black interior) had grey door handles. Funny, I never really noticed them before, so I purchased two black ones at the warehouse to match my interior and now I have a pair of unused grey handles. They are in excellent condition. The ones in the warehouse cost me $165 + tax for the pair, and I am asking only $70 or best offer, for the pair of grey ones. This includes shipping anywhere in the U.S. I may consider a trade for worthy Delorean related items as well. Please limit traffic on the list and email me directly at luuke(AT)primenet.com -Ace Underhill- VIN 2860 AZ Lic. 8T8 MPH
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:55:24 -0700 From: steve brodsky <a0017673(AT)mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: DML: Temperature rise on freeway
Dave.Sontos(AT)cooperauto.com wrote: > > I've noticed that my temperature guage climbs to around 200+ when I'm > driving > the freeway speed 60-70 mph. When I am in town temperature is rock solid > 150. > I've checked for air in the pump, the coolant bottle has about 1-1/2" - 2" > of > air in it, A/C is in Normal position, fans ARE running. Car is automatic > with > original radiator (?) w/100,000 miles. > > When I exit freeway, temp returns to normal in 5-10 minutes. I am assuming > this is NOT normal. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Dave > VIN 2573 I suggest you check the following (1) radiator cap: if the cap is not holding pressure, you not only will lose collant from the overflow, you will not get max cooling. The ONLY sure way to check the cap is replace it with one of the proper spec or test it with a pressure tester; (2) check that your water pump belt is not slipping at high speed. A worn or loose belt will slip at "freeway" speeds. If the belt is more than 2 years old or shows signs of deterioration or wear, replace it. (3) check your timing. Timing too far advanced will cause the car to run hotter. At higher RPM, it may be advancing to far; (4) pressure test with cooling system, looking for a leaking head gasket.
Steve #10688
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:47:55 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Back in the saddle (hot seat?) again...
James,
Did you find this to be a comfortable ride??
My ride was only about 700 miles (each way) and I found that my leg and back started to get numb after about a hour and a half..
This was my first long range experience in my delorean. The longest I had driven in the DMC other than this is the 90 miles to PJ Grady!
Anyone have recaro seats in the DMC?
James Espey wrote: > > I have resumed the duties of moderator and must give Knut a big thanks > for running the list during my extended vacation. As I mentioned earlier, > two weeks and 4400+ miles in the DeLorean have proven to me again that > the DeLorean is just a great car. > > Thanks again, Knut! With all the beers I owe you, you should start a > brewery! > > James Espey > Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List > http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:27:26 EDT From: My83DMC(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: New DeLoreans
Dear DML,
I have a question. A friend of mine has a cousin who owns
a
dealership for new Miscellanous Exotic Cars. (i.e. Lamborginis, ect).. He
has
1 DeLorean there, unfortunately, it is not running.. He wanted me to post
on
the DML and find out if there are any *NEW* DeLoreans.. New meaning less
that
200 to 300 mileage, near mint condition, ect. He is looking to buy about
3 or
4, and will pay at least 32,000 for each one, depending on condition. His
dealership is in the Dallas area, it is called Stanley Exotic Automobiles
Co.
Does anyone on the list know of any DeLoreans like the desciption mentions? Or, can DMC of Houston manufacture DeLorean from the parts they have?
Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated!
Supratik http://members.aol.com/Zamere/index2.htm DeLorean Headquarters, now with JAVA!
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:59:05 +1000 From: matthew <mafaith(AT)idx.com.au> Subject: Re: DML: Alternate Fuels
Robert,
Here in Australia almost all the taxis run on LPG and alot of company cars and personal cars are being converted to LPG. As far as I know (working at Australia's largest refinery) the LPG used in cars, rucks etc is blended with other gases and/or lubricants. So as you can imagine you can't use BBQ gas. I believe that the performance is almost on par with a normally fueled vehicle and you get the same if not better mileage. The best thing is that it is cheaper but it smells worse than an unleaded vehicle.
The only downside would be the cost (here about A$2000 to A$3500) and that the LPG tank takes up alot of room (normally about 1/3 of the luggage space) the only other thing you have to do is start your vehicle with your normal fuel and let it run for about 15 minutes then switch over the tank to LPG. This ensures that the engine will get some lubrication because the LPG doesn't do that job well. After the initial start up you can run all day, stopping and starting the car with no ill effects.
Hope this helps
Matty vin: not yet...working on it. At 12:47 AM 6/21/98 -0700, you wrote: >Has Anyone here ever had any experience with propane or natural gas >powered engines? Most all of North Las Vegas city and the gas company >vehicles run on either one of the 2, and seem to do pretty good in both >power & performance. In Vegas, LP stations are pretty easy to come by, >but I have 2 questions about this, if you swith over, what are the pros >& cons? Will you get better or worse performance from your engine? Can >you drive farther or shorter distances on LP or natural gas. And lastly, >as odd as this may sound, if there is no gas station in sight, (or at >least one that has LP) could you fill up at a Barbecue store? Just >(seriously) asking. > >-Robert
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:06:22 -0400 From: "Joe " <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Baffle Substitute
Daniel, We're interested in this new fuel pump could you get more information i.e.: manufacturer and model number. Thanks Joe/DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye(AT)creativeworlds.com> > To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Subject: DML: Baffle Substitute > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 3:28 AM > (SNIP) > brand new. My mechanic replaced the fuel pump with a brand new one (it's > super quiet and has a life-time warranty!!). I can get the part number to > this new pump if anyone is interested but he said it was designed recently > and is more reliable; I'm rather impressed with it so far and was happy it > is identical in shape and size to the original. It was about $100 more > then a pump from the big three, but the lifetime warranty was too inticing.
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