Monday, 25 March 1996 Volume 02 : Number 092 In this issue: Reproduction Parts Re: 0-60, power steering, dead battery Your DeLorean Re: dmcnews-digest V2 #91 Re: dmcnews-digest V2 #91 Bricklins Springs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mail06754(AT)pop.net Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:14:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Reproduction Parts I've found a guy on the Internet who is interested in manufacturing reproduction parts. He's done this type of work before and seems to know what he's talking about. I've already suggested DeLorean body parts to him but he says that would be beyond his current capability. What other parts are not available or hard to find for the DeLorean? I know there are some suspension bushings that are getting very difficult to find but what about other parts? Interior? Any suggestions apprecitated. - --Rob Hook Subject: FS: Kid sized DMC replica Andy, I'd love to have this for my son. I noticed you work for HP. Are you being transferred to the Rockville, MD office by chance? If so, I work within view of that office. Any chance you could bring the DMC toy with you? I know that wasn't the idea but shipping that thing (because of it's size) would probably be a real pain anyway. If you are moving to a portion of Maryland close to DC, (most of it is)drop me a line. I'm interested in starting a DMC club or DOA chapter in the area but I've not gotten much response yet (only advertised here though). Interested? - --Rob Hook mail06754(AT)pop.net Subject: Bricklins This is getting a little off-topic but since the list has been kinda slow recently anyway... I've driven several Bricklins. One of them was bought from Malcolm Bricklin me a line. I'm interested in starting a DMC club or DOA chapter in the area but I've not gotten much response yet (only adve me a line. I'm interested in starting a DMC club or DOA chapt me a line. I'm interested in starting a DMC club or DOA chapter in the area but I've not gotten much response yet (only adve me a line. I'm interested in starting a DMC club or DOA chapt me a line. I'm interested in starting a DMC club or DOA chapt me a line. I'm interested in starting a DMC club or DOA chapter in the area but I've not gotten much response yet (only adve me a line. I'm interested in starting a DMC club or DOA chapter in the area but I've not gotten much response yet (only advertised here though). Interested? - --Rob Hook mail06754(AT)pop.net Subject: Bricklins more to do with the nature of how the system is designed than an adjustment. Some of the problems I've seen: Leaks around the doors, cracks in the body, failing exterior door switches and locks, multiple carb. problems, failing window motors, windows falling out of the track and fairly tacky interiors (I know, it's an opinion). Isn't it nice to see the DeLoreans aren't the only unusual cars with unusual problems? - --Rob Hook mail06754(AT)pop.net Subject: DeLorean Mustang I was thumbing through a Mustang book last night and noticed that one of the early eighties Mustang concept cars looks incredibly similar to a DeLorean. It looks like a cross between a DeLorean and a Conquest TSI. I don't know if it had gull-wing doors but the window treatment was exactly the same. The body also had the same angular design with just a little more angularity and wider (thicker) rear wheel wells. Has anyone else noticed cars that bear striking resemblances to DeLoreans? Just trying to liven this place up... - --Rob Hook mail06754(AT)pop.net Subject: Something evil lurks my way... James: How many subscribers do we have now? The old list format mentioned it at the bottom. If I'm not mistaken, we had a little over 200 subscribers when we switched formats. It seems like we have less than 20 people who actively post. C'mon all you lurkers. Don't be shy. You don't have to know a whole lot about DeLoreans to post here (as a few people have proven (JK) :) ). - --Rob Hook mail06754(AT)pop.net ------------------------------ From: Knut S Grimsrud
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 96 07:38:00 PST Subject: Re: 0-60, power steering, dead battery LEDGEND2(AT)aol.com writes: > I've had my DMC since around 1985 and have kept it in a garage > until a few weeks ago. Does anyone know how fast the car does 0-60 > in? Take it out and try it. The 0-60 time is not good and it is reported in Stainless Steel Illusion (alongside other cars it was compared against). Although SSI does contain some errors, the book is fairly good and I recommend it to anyone with a DeLorean interest (although it is hard to find and fairly expensive). I don't have my copy handy so I cann't report the 0-60 time now. > My DeLorean also doesn't have power steering or brakes. Is it > possible to upgrade my car to power steering and brakes and will i > need special parts to do so? The car does have power assisted brakes through the use of a vacuum servo. Although the steering is standard rack/pinion, I have not found it particularly heave, probably because the front end is fairly light. I have not seen any good conversions (nor do I believe they are necessary). > My DMC's battery goes dead every time I leave it parked for over 24 > hours. Temporarily I put a "battery buddy" on it that cuts off the > battery if the charge drops to low. Does anyone know what the > problem may be? A few issues back there was extensive discussion on sources of power drain. Check the back issues of the DMC News. Some places to check include the light in the engine compartment and the marker lights around the doors. On my car, the plunbger switches in the door jamp are not quite long enough to depress securely and I have had do add rubber caps to them to get the door lights to reliably turn off when the doors are closed. On early cars, the concole clock also drained excessive power, but should not be enough of a drain to kill your battery in 24 hours. Knut Grimsrud DOA Chapter 41 Thanks, Dave - ------------------------------ From: LordWeb(AT)aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:04:09 -0500 Subject: [none] after Malcolm recovered from his own car I think he also brought to the USA the Yugo. I also think he may have had something to do with introducing the Subaru to us also (I think prior to the SV1). Would I own a Bricklin? Probably if the $$$ were right. Would I trade my DMC-12 for a Bricklin? No thanks. However when I was in Scottsdale AZ around 1976 I saw a black and white Bricklin police car (light bar and everything). Actually it was blue and white. Bricklin lived in Scottsdale at the time and gave the car to the police department there. I wouldn't mind locating that particular car for novelty reasons. BTW....I haven't recently taken the opportunity to thank James Espey for all of his work on maintaining the DMC Mail List. I do enjoy receiving this list. Thanks James - ------------------------------ From: James Espey Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 05:16:21 -0700 Subject: DeLorean for Sale 1981 DeLorean, #BD003707, Five speed, grey interior, 2700 miles. This car is in West Virginia and is for sale by the original owner. The asking price is $19,000. For more details, DO NOT EMAIL ME. Contact Pauline at (304) 598-2898. THis ad is posted as a service to the owner who is not online at this time. James "Mikasa" Espey "There is nothing more sad or more glorious than generations changing hands..." - ------------------------------ End of dmcnews-digest V2 #91 **************************** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo(AT)world.std.com with the message UNSUBSCRIBE DMCNEWS-DIGEST Back issues are available at http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues.html Contact mikasa(AT)goodnet.com if you have problems. ------------------------------ From: stormrider(AT)socketis.net (Chase Clark) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 11:40:03 -0600 Subject: Your DeLorean Dave: The battery problem can be caused by a myriad of items, such as a corroded ground connection, door lights remaining on when doors are closed, faulty cigarette lighter (as in my case) or a short circuit anywhere in the electronics that is causing an excessive power drain. There have been lots of recommendations in the Mailing List about what to check out as possible causes. I would advise scanning the old issues for such advice. As far as power steering and power brakes go ... All DeLoreans were built with power brakes, so it seems doubtful that yours would not have them anymore. Although, your brake booster could have gone bad and it would seem like the car did not have power brakes. I personally would not recommend switching a DeLorean to power steering. The English rack-and-pinion steerings are the best in the world as far as I am concerned. My DeLorean and two MG Midgets I use to own, give the driver a better feel for the road than any other car, including a couple of Porsches I've driven over the years. Power steering systems seem to take this "feel" away from the driver and because of that I am not real fond of them. Just my two cents worth. ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: omv6369(AT)ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Otto Vondrak) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 13:27:50 -0500 Subject: Re: dmcnews-digest V2 #91 What I've seen here by reading this newslist is that DeLorean owner's of the 90's are a different breed. From what most people have posted, they are "average" folks who drive their DeLorean as their "get-to-work" car, their raod trip car, and their sports car. My friend, who is a Viper fanatic, says that the DeLorean is "affordable luxury." I think he gets that from the price range we've seen: $8000 to $20,000. This is far below what youwoudl pay for a car today, but when you figure in parts and labour for the DMC, it comes out to about the same. So hip hip for the DMC-12, and John Z. I oonly hope this cap on DMC-12 prices stays reasonable so when I get out of school, I too can own the stainless. - -Otto- _________________________________________________ Otto Vondrak Box 02045 Rochester Institute of Technology Hettie Shumway Hall School of Art and Design Rochester NY 14623 Graphic Design Major 716.475.4451 http://www.rit.edu/~omv6369 _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: CYKE27(AT)aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:27:42 -0500 Subject: Re: dmcnews-digest V2 #91 I WANT TO GET OFF THIS STUPID MAILING LIST RIGHT NOW!!!! ------------------------------ From: Laz532(AT)aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 15:49:39 -0500 Subject: Bricklins Okay, I'm the lone Bricklin owner in a pack of anti-Bricklin cultists. Sounds fair to me, because I've got enough temerity to go around. Yes, yes, yes, the Bricklin was pretty poor in quality, but what do you expect from Canadians (just a joke, no need to send hate mail). To set the record straight, Bricklins began production in 1974, with the SV-1 model. The SV-1 stands for Safety Vehicle 1. This was part of Malcolm Bricklin's dream to produce a safety sports car. It was a safety vehicle because of several factors. One, the frame was an AMC Javelin frame, slightly modified. It had an impact box around the gas tank and an integrated roll cage along with high door sills for side impact. Two, it came with front disc brakes. (Okay, not that impressive, but in 1974, front drums were pretty common for American Cars) Three, energy absorbant bumpers which could absorb a 15mph impact. Along with the front bumper there is an impact zone that extends from the bumper to the hood. Four, a warning system of lights on the dash, including seat belt buzzer and other fine implementations. And five, the lack of an ashtray or cigarette lighter. This one is sure to be a favorite with those nicotine fiend subscribers. The lack of ashtray and lighter were so "you don't go dropping a hot butt in your lap and crash our beautiful car into a tree" (Bricklin sales brochure). The Bricklin came in an assortment of bright colors, because what sticks out is less likely to get hit. The Bricklin came standard with all kinds of options: AC, front disc brakes, power steering, power brakes, precision German gauges (tach, oil pressure, speedometer, temp), tinted windshield, rear defrost, alloy wheels, etc . . . (the list goes on forever). The mechanics of the SV-1 are very simple. The chassis is modified AMC Javelin. The engine is either a 360ci AMC V-8 with a 4bbl carb. with dual exhaust (1974, about 780 made) or a Ford 354ci V-8 with a 2bbl carb, single exhaust with catalytic converter (1975, about 2000 made). The first year 60 manuals were made, and the second year all were autos. The automatic transmission used is a Chrysler 727 three speed automatic. This was Chrysler's heavy duty automatic that could handle high amounts of torque. This "sloppy 3-speed automatic" is the favorite of several AMC drag racers. The performance dropped from 74 to 75 because of the intake and exhaust restrictions, and in light of this, my particular Bricklin is a 74. As for the looks of a Bricklin, for those who have never seen one or don't remember it, hey, the car looks good, and when I get a scan of mine I'll send it to you nonbeleivers, and you'll see how much the DeLorean actually looks like the Bricklin (everybody steals styling cues here and there, just ask John Z). Now, onto the problems. Basically, Bricklins' body panels crack every 10 years, and are always cracked in high stress areas, like the T-top section. Bricklin parts are hard to get, but the AMC stuff can be bought at your average parts house. The doors used to be a problem, but now aren't for me. Originally, the first Bricklins came with hydraulic doors powered by hydraulic fluid and convertible top motors. They took 12 seconds to open the door. This was abandoned after the first 100 (approx) because they took too long, and the hydraulic lines would break and leak fluid everywhere. Bricklin then went to compressed air to open the doors. The back bumper is a cast iron air tank, and the doors open in about 1 second on 125 psi. The problem with this is that Bricklins have an air pump that compresses 5 psi in 5 minutes to replenish the air supply, and it runs on engine vacuum. I have gotten around that by purchasing an additional electric compressor that fills the system from 0 to 150psi in 4 minutes. Another problem is that the doors seals leak. Other Bricklin problems are typical AMC Javelin problems, which aren't too severe. The Bricklin was the brainchild of Malcolm Bricklin, son of a multimillionaire in the hardware business. He had nothing to do with cocaine, like some other gullwing car producer I won't name. The car went from concept to production in 1 year. Even the best engineers from Lotus could not produce a semi-flawless car in 1 year. So, the Bricklin was lucky to be as nice as it was. The car changed constantly over the production to make it much better, and supposedly, the last 7 cars (put together in 1975 after Bricklin went under) are flawless. As for the comparison between the Bricklin and the DeLorean, the Bricklin beats the DeLorean in all performance categories even though the Bricklin was built several years earlier. As for style (I know you'll love this) if I wanted to drive a shoe box, I would, but I like cuves. Okay, if that's not enough, I can go on forever. I'll answer any other questions you have about the SV-1. I'm not trying to turn this into a Bricklin newsletter, but since DeLoreans and Bricklins both have gullwings, I subscribe. Also, those DeLorean owners should know some of the heritage of the gullwing cars, and the Bricklin is it, and the Mercedes before that. ~Adam Lazur, owner of Bricklin VIN#532 ------------------------------ From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:25:56 +0000 Subject: Springs I would like to get a full set of stock springs. Anyone know where? At a reasonable price? Mine is currently to low to put a rear sway bar on it, so I need to raise it a bit. Chris ------------------------------ End of dmcnews-digest V2 #92 ****************************
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