DeLorean Mailing List - 3/18/96
dmcnews-digest Tuesday, 18 March 1997 Volume 02 : Number 221
In this issue:
Re: Caravan to Snowmass
Right Angle Drive?
Turbos
Alabama DeLorean Meeting
VIN #10688
MUFFLER NEEDED!!!
Zilla Modules..
Pumps???
Possible Rotor Source
Re: Zilla Modules..
Re: After MARKET!
Twin Turbos
Re: Cross Drilled Rotors
What updates should I do?
Radio Antenna on the DMC
Re: Dependable???
Re: Twin Turbos
Re: Twin Turbos
Re: Translucent paints
Re: MUFFLER NEEDED!!!
"Flashback" magazine article
Need some input from you guys ... and ladies. Axle seals
Re: MUFFLER NEEDED!!!
Some DMC ramblings
Re: Caravan to Snowmass
Re: Translucent paints
apologies
reliability
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From: LordWeb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:51:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Caravan to Snowmass
From: raddad@cmn.net
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:32:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Caravan to Snowmass
A number of us are planning a grand DeLorean tour the week prior to the Expo. We
plan to meet in K.C. on the Saturday prior and then tour through
Kansas, a part of Colorado, Santa Fe and then back into Colorado to Snowmass.
Details are about finished. Will post to this group as soon as
possible. We would love to have company. I suspect we are already looking
at about 6 cars meeting in K.C.
Most of us have done this before and it is a very good group.
Isn't this what owning a DeLorean is all about?
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
I live in Kansas City and I am planning to go to the Expo in Colorado. I would
be very interested in helping plan this extravaganza if there is any interest.
I can do just about anything from setting up a staging area to helping with
hotels in KC. I even have a car lift in my garage for any emergency surgery.
To say the very least...count me in.
Web Bixby
VIN # 1049
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:17:16 -0600
Subject: Right Angle Drive?
Dear DMC NEWSGROUP,
I have heard so many bad things about this right angle drive for the speedometer!
Hasn't anyone made a new aftermarket part??? Is there anything you can do to
maintain that part. Or is there any preventative medice for it?? THanx for the
help. Oh... About the belts and hoses. I have been thinking. If I fly over to
pick up that car in washington. I should replace all the belts and hoses
right???? What do you guys think I should do before I make that 2000 mile trip!
Thanx for the help!
Jameel
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Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
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From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:10:32 +0000
Subject: Turbos
Ian wrote,
>Did Island Turbo's acquire the blueprints and now produce them? I would love to
know the history of who and how it got into production again.
As far as I know "Island Turbos" started life as "Dicor". He left the company to
Eleanor Rogers. This system was designed independently of Legend Industries but
also uses IHI Turbos.
>And as a purely astatic (sp?) question, Are the Turbo's painted black with the
DMC logo on the top or are they unpainted?
It's hard to tell from looking at the picture in SSI, but I would venture a
guess that the engine shown on page 110 is strictly a mock up for show. It
certainly isn't set up the same way my system is. Where does the system shown
in the picture get it's air?
The "Island" system uses the stock air cleaner and the two sort of half doughnut
looking castings ( actually one piece ) are replaced. The two center tubes are
piped to the intake of the turbo's and returned to the two outer tubes that run
into the flat intakes along the top of the engine.
I hope this helps a bit. If you're interested, contact Eleanor. She's very helpful.
Chris
Ian,
If you get this please let me know. I've tried twice to post this with the list
but the server seems to FUBAR.
O.K. Now I'll try it this way!
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From: duke
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:57:22 -0800
Subject: Alabama DeLorean Meeting
Anyone interested? There are 3 of us who are getting together this saturday in
Huntsville, Al. We will be meeting around 1:00 and would love to have any other
owners come and join us. Please email me for details.
duke@entremob.com
Thanks,
Duke Bladorn
800-844-4545 day
334-457-3580 night
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From: Steve Brodsky Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:46:02 -0600
Subject: VIN #10688
Hello fellow Delorean fanatics.
Just found the mailing list. Scanning thru, I was surprised to see just about
every ailment I have gone through with my 82 ser# 10688. I am ther original
owner, acquiring it from Consolidated in Columbus in Sept 1983. We have 49,000
miles, and all things considered, runs and looks pretty good although I am
having an intermittent stalling/running problem, probably a fuel check valve.
I have a question that some guru may be able to help me with. The manufacture
date of my 82 was Dec 82. I have not seen any other with slant chrome tips over
the exhaust pipes. All of the updates had been made when I purchased it. I was
told that this car was probably assembled in the US by Consolidated.
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From: duke
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:42:30 -0800
Subject: MUFFLER NEEDED!!!
HELP!!! I had a different muffler put on my 'D and now it sounds like a tank!!!
Does anyone who is parting out a D have a muffler they would like to sell???
Please send email to the address listed below.
Thanks,
Duke Bladorn
duke@entremob.com
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From: Jason Winter
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000
Subject: Zilla Modules..
I am in the process of getting my DeLorean ready for summer. I plan = on
driving it on a regular basis(my wife needs a new car and we are = trading
in my present car). Since I bought the car last year(october), I have replaced
all coolent hoses, fuel pump, fuel lines, and relay upgrade. =
I
am still having a hot start problem and am currently in the process of replacing
the fuel accumulator(I replaced the pump first and the = problem
is better, but after the car has heated up and you kill it, it will = not
start after sitting for about 10 min.) =DD. Now here is my question..
I am looking at installing all the zilla modules from PJ Grady.. = Is
the added benefit from those modules greater than the cost? My door look
solenoids are shot, so I would have to replace them(LockZilla). Besides some
minor things like that, the car seems to run great and is in wonderful condition.
(BTW it is a 81 5/speed with 38k on it, the = owner
had a major service done at Delorean One in houston at 35k in 1993). = At
Delorean One, they replaced the two front cooling fans. Is there anything else
that I should look at or consider replacing before summer? I am a graduate
student and my time is restricted(I = have
alloted a solid week in may to do any upgrades/repairs).
Thanks,
Jason Winter
winter@onramp.net
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:45:53 -0600
Subject: Pumps???
Dear DMC NEWsGROUP,
Do you guys suggest I replace the waterpump, and fuel pump, all the hoses and
belts when I get this car. The 81 Delorean with 65k miles! I really am scared
something bad will happen. Oh and what about this I hear... Then engine sometimes
doesnt start! Are there new parts that can fix this problem for good... What is
the deal with that inertia switch and those other switches that go bad... the hot,
and cold thing! Please inform me. THanx!
Jameel
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Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@uiuc.edu
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From: James Nichols Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:50:52 +0000
Subject: Possible Rotor Source
Last year I had a dragging brake and had to rebuild the front calipers. The
caliper casting number crossed to a 1977 Mercury Capri and the rebuild kit and
new pads fit perfectly. The rotors didn't need turning (only 11,000 miles) so I
didn't pull them or check their number.
A possible source of stock rotors might be the '77 Capri since the caliper radius
and thickness match.
Jim #6884
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:17:27 -0600
Subject: Re: Zilla Modules..
I am in the process of getting my DeLorean ready for summer. I plan on
(SNIP)
before summer? I am a graduate student and my time is restricted(I have alloted
a solid week in may to do any upgrades/repairs).
Jason wrote the above,
I am very concerned about the hot start and cold start problems. That is the
worst thing. If your car doesn't start!!!! What are you going to do. I want to
replace all these things. I don't want to wait till it breaks down. What parts
should I replace? Since it is an 81 with 65K on it! What should I do!
Thanx for the help!
Jameel
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Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@uiuc.edu
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From: TarekT@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:05:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: After MARKET!
Hey I would like to know the same thing because a I just paid for a genuine
Delorian Clutch for $1,200 because I couldn't find an after market one.
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From: Mpeak@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:59:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Twin Turbos
Chris and Ian,
The only advantage that I know of that a twin turbo gives you over a single
turbo is lag time. Since the twin uses two small turbines rather than one large
turbine, there's less rotational inertia. The twin's turbines get up
to speed faster and at lower RPM's. However, why not put on a single turbo
with an electric motor attached to the turbine that kicks in at low RPM's and
idle? It would be $2000 cheaper and I don't think the difference would be noticable.
Dick,
The turbo's advertised in the back of Delorean world aren't the same as the
Legend industries' prototype design. The prototype's appear to be intercooled.
The main purpose of intercoolers is not to keep the engine cooler, it's to cram
as much air in the cylinder as possible. Since air takes up less volume when it
is cool, more can be squeezed into the cylinder resulting in alot more power.
It prevents detonation and pre-ignition.
Matt
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From: Mpeak@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:00:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Cross Drilled Rotors
Marty,
Thanks for the info on the details of cross drilling. A couple of days ago,
I received in the mail information brochures that the guy I talked to said he
would send me. VERY impressive. What gives me confidence about these brakes
is that although machine shops are more than competent to cross drill rotors,
this is the actual manufacturer of these rotors. They cross drill rotors for
thousands of different applications thus experience is not in short with them.
As they point out, their rotors are "CAD-CAM designed utilizing the latest
specifications and our own perfected methods...CNC machined and drilled to our
own tight specifications in insure the highest performance...Superior stopping
power, improved cooling, reduced brake fade."
Also, the person I talked to wasn't a sales representative for the company
or somebody else who wouldn't know what he was doing and just looking for a
quick buck, he was THE person in charge of the performance division of the company.
Another thing I would like to point out is that anybody with a turbocharger,
performance upgrade, or anyone thinking of making your car faster, it's really
rediculous to do so without improving your braking system whether by
buying cross drilled rotors, having your rotors cross drilled, or by Don's
method at Delorean Motor Center. Ask anyone who knows anything about racing
(Datona, Indy, etc.) and they will tell you the trick isn't getting your car
to go, it's getting your car to stop. Brakes can be the limiting factor in a
high performance auto and it makes no sense to me why you would combine a
200+ HP car with the worst type of brakes made. I'm uneasy enough with only
135 HP!
The more people we can get, the cheaper they'll be!
Matt
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From: Phillip124@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:43:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: What updates should I do?
I have the VIN 7134 built in Nov '81 with 14,000 miles on it now. I am thinking
about driving it more often in the summer. Everything is original
but the tires, battery, and belts. I wonder what all I should do to make it
good for everyday driving?
Phillip
VIN 7134
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From: Phillip124@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:38:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Radio Antenna on the DMC
Hello everyone, when I bought my DMC VIN 7134, it didn't have a radio antenna
but it did have the stub for one on the front right finder. I am trying to
find the original antenna for it, but I don't see it in the parts cataloge.
Does anyone know where it is or does anyone have this setup on their Delorean?
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From: Phillip124@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:14:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Dependable???
Back in January of '97, I flew to Virginia from Texas and bought Delorean 7134.
It had 12,000 miles and I drove it back over 2,000 miles with no updates, all
original except for brand new belts, and the only problem I had
happened about 200 miles out...the altinator was overcharging the battery and
boiled the battery dry! I had to have the altinator rebuilt and replace the
already new battery. It cost me about $270. Other than that, the car was great.
It pulled the mountains great and handled well. I had a lot of fun
driving it. I would say that the Delorean is VERY dependable and I love it.
Phillip
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From: James Nichols Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:12:15 +0000
Subject: Re: Twin Turbos
No one has mentioned whether the electric supercharger is a roots or centrifugal.
If it is a centrifugal, you don't want to restrict the output at full speed or
strange things happen like stall and overspeed. This unit may have a popoff valve
to limit boost which may prevent this.
Why would you want boost at idle or at partial throttle? You don't need boost
if you are getting adequate power without it. From what I have read the boost
kicks in when the throttle is wide open, when you are asking for more power,
regardless of RPM. I'm sure that this unit has a time limit ON and a cooling
time as most high draw electric motors do. If you install an override switch
and forget it, just once, at 95 amps, you will probably be buying a new electric
motor, a new alternator and maybe a new battery, if it hasn't melted itself
through the floorboard. It might take a week or so to get that burning smell
out of the car too.
Jim
#6884
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:51:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Twin Turbos
At 02:59 AM 3/15/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Dick,
>The turbo's advertised in the back of Delorean world aren't the same as the
Legend industries' prototype design. The prototype's appear to be intercooled.
The main purpose of intercoolers is not to keep the engine cooler, it's to cram
as much air in the cylinder as possible. Since air takes up less volume when it
is cool, more can be squeezed into the cylinder resulting in alot more power. It
prevents detonation and
pre-ignition.
>Matt
Actually the intercoolers reduce the temperature of the charged incoming air
to reduce engine killing detonation. The combination of compressing the intake
air and using the hot exhaust gases to drive the turbo are the primary cause
that increases intake temps. A cooler, more dense, intake air-fuel mix combusts
slower than a more volatile, less dense, hot mix. If the fuel burns too rapidly
the piston is caught still in its up stroke while
the combustion is trying to drive it down. The result can be blown pistons,
cracked rings, or some similar engine problem. Detonation must be dealt with
when going to a turbo. I've gone to a knock sensor that senses the earliest
detonation rattle and retards the ignition timing until it can't hear it. Then
the ignition is restored to normal. This all happens several times per second
when under boost. Ambient air temperature and the level of
boost both affect the degree of detonation and overall turbo performance. The
car works better on cooler days. I wouldn't run over 6.5 lbs. boost with
a stock DeLorean. At that level, with proper precautions taken regarding
detonation, the car shouldn't have any more excess wear than a non-turbo car.
Bruce Benson
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From: GullWinged@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 00:42:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Translucent paints
>I've considered sanding all the paint off of my car and varnishing it - or
coating it with some type of clear sealant. I've had doubts as to wether it
would 'stick' though, and didn't know how to treat the metal. Probably just a
stupid idea from a wannabe - but the delorean's steel is so beautiful! Chase,
do you know move about what JZD was doing?
JZD and DMC were experimenting with the '80s version of translucent paints,
which allowed the brushmarks to show through the paint. Either no primer was
used, or it would have been a clear primer, although I am unsure if such a
primer even exists. However, the attempts at the factory proved to be a failure
as the paint had a tendency to 'flow off' the car when exposed to high-humidy
climate conditions.
Naturally, paint technology, like everything else, has advanced a lot during
the past 15+ years. It is now possible to colorize a DeLorean with primer and
paint that sticks extremely well and doesn't crack or flake. P.J. Grady of Long
Island, N.Y. has painted a car British Racing Green and it is quoted as being a
'beauty.' On the other side of the coin, mine supposedly was painted many years
ago and the red paint is suffering from cracks, flaking and chicken-scratching.
There also is a paint called Emeron (sp?) that can be applied directly to the
stainless steel panels without the use of any primer. Use of this product allows
the brushmarks to show through the paint. However, I am not aware of any cars
that have been painted this way, AND there is split opinions from at least two
DeLorean-trained experts about whether or not the paint would survive a wide
range of climates with no problems.
Also, in reference to the task of sanding off existing paint on an already
painted DeLorean, this would sand off the brushmarks as well. Rebrushing all
the body panels from a smooth surface would be VERY expensive!! Rob Grady told
me that generally charge around $500 per body panel to rebrush slightly-damaged
body panels. I am sure the cost for smooth panels would be much more.
Chase Clark
All MHz are NOT created equal.
PowerPC architecture rules!
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From: DMC12JR@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:05:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: MUFFLER NEEDED!!!
Let me know if you need a muffler and I will get you one. My name is Jeremy
Rine and I am from ohio. I am a dmc tech online and a parts locator. If you need
anything let me know and I will get the price for you! Hope to hear
from you soon!
Jeremy
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From: michael richard pack Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:51:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: "Flashback" magazine article
There is a new article on the DeLorean. It is in the magazine CLASSIC & SPORTS
CAR, March 1997. It is a magazine that hails from the United Kingdom. It
features Robert Lamrock as a real DeLorean Aficionado and expert. The body of
the story is VERY slanted and biased. Unless you would like to add this to your
collection, read the article on the newsstands.
Mike
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From: Arron Oberman
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:00:48 -0800
Subject: Need some input from you guys ... and ladies.
For the past few years i have been saving up to purchase a D. and as of present
I have approx. $40,000.00 Canadian or $30,000.00 US to spend on a D ( but I don't
have to spend it all, hopefully). I've been a avid follower for a long time and
am looking forward to being in the drivers seat in about 1 an a 1/2 months.
What's the best bang for the buck in this situation. Should I hunt out a decent
D and take it to DeLorean One for a full work over. ( BTW, what exactly do they
do there?) Or should I find an owner with a mint D and buy it off them? I love
the look and the feel of the car, if I had my choice over a new BMW Z3 or the D,
i'd take the D any time, day or place... hands down. What I really want to know
is, how can I best enjoy the vehicle? Supercharge it to the nines with a bunch
of added extras or find one in good shape and re-install all original parts? I
would really like your input on this one?
Thanks,
, Arron
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From: THESHOE
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:16:21 -0500
Subject: Axle seals
I finally got my DeLorean today. It's a 83 manual w/ grey interior Looks like the
first job I'll have to tackle is the axle seals in the trans. Has anyone ever
done them and is there any trick or special tools I will need? It look pretty
easy but I don't have the service manual yet. Rob Grady says the set of manuals
is $115 bucks(ouch!!) Is there a way to get them cheaper elsewhere? Also the
Front crankshaft oil seal is seaping a little bit. Has anyone done it and have
any pointers? That's all for now(I hope)
Doug
83 DeLorean
78 MG Midget
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:23:37 -0600
Subject: Re: MUFFLER NEEDED!!!
I have a question... If the muffler was stainless why did you have to have it
replaced???
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Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@uiuc.edu
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From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:54:37 -0500
Subject: Some DMC ramblings
Hi all,
A few points to make about my DMC.
1. Had the front alignment done right for a change. It's amazing how well the car
handles when the alignment's done right. The car's steering wheel used to shimmy
at 55MPH+. Turning the wheel in a parking lot was a strain also. Now I can turn
the wheel with two fingers. If you're having trouble with your steering, look
into getting it fixed.
2. My CV joint went on the left side. How can you tell when your CV joints are
shot? When in gear, there's a metal 'tapping' that's in synch with the rotation
of the tires. Out of gear or with the clutch pressed down, this doesn't happen.
New CV joints go for $550 and Rob says he only has two left.
3. Dead battery due to door lights. I have two switches for the driver's side
door; light and buzzer. After a few moths of fighting these, they finally won
due to the fact that the switch was bent and not getting pressed in. Sure enough,
the lights stayed on and my battery died. Oddly enough, I could unlock both doors.
This is an issue that should be addressed: how to tell if you CAN open the doors
if the battery dies. Got the switches adjusted and they work fine now.
Mike
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From: raddad@cmn.net
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:10:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Caravan to Snowmass
Web
First things first - apologies for calling you Wes. 'Twas late when I returned
home last night and having pushed a big Suburban 400 miles in 7 hours I was not
too alert. Then I opened up my email and had 28 messages which had accumulated
in the 3 days I was gone. Read yours and was excited
to hear of your interest. Obviously I was more interested in the content than
your name --mea culpa!
Yes, I have kept Randy informed. I have driven 1000 miles to attend one of
his groups meetings. You may or may not know that I live only 150 miles from
Apen/Snowmass (Steamboat Springs, CO aka Paradise). Thus I will be driving 200
miles to go 150. As I often say, isn't that what owning a DeLorean is all about.
We don't have any firm count on how many might be joining us. I expect 3 04 4
cars from Minnesota. Then we are hoping for 1 or 2 from Iowa, a couple from
Illinois, and perhaps a couple from Missouri/Kansas. (Yes, I know it is totally
rude to say Missouri and Kansas in the same sentence -- I was born a Jayhawker!)
As this group's plan's firm up I hope that people driving from the east may
decide to join up as well.
Our overnight stays should be K.C. on Saturday, Colorado Springs on Sunday,
Santa Fe on Monday and Tuesday, Durango on Wednesday and into Snowmass for
cocktails on Thursday. (The two nights in Santa Fe will enable the co-pilots
to spend Tuesday shopping which should, in turn, hold down the whining to a
bare minimum!)
BTW, could your connection with the Broadmoor do anything for us with regard to
rates? We were thinking "holday inn" type at both Colorado Springs and Durango,
but with any break in rates, our arms could be twisted.
Again, apologies for the name goof!
Regards
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
VIN #6530
DOA #547
P.S. I'll be back in touch after NYC (return on the 27th). Will visit P.J.
Grady's while there. Should be interesting.
Oh, and regarding K.C. barbeque, please feel free to make suggestions.
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From: Dan Baisley Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:20:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Translucent paints
At 12:42 AM 3/16/97 -0500, GullWinged@aol.com wrote:
>There also is a paint called Emeron (sp?) that can be applied directly to the
stainless steel panels without the use of any primer. Use of this product allows
the brushmarks to show through the paint. However, I am not aware of any cars
that have been painted this way, AND there is split opinions from at least two
DeLorean-trained experts about whether or not the paint would survive a wide
range of climates with no problems.
If you are referring to DuPont Imron, it definitely needs primer. It is used
extensively in aircraft re-finishing and coating boat hulls.
>Also, in reference to the task of sanding off existing paint on an already
painted DeLorean, this would sand off the brushmarks as well. Rebrushing all
the body panels from a smooth surface would be VERY expensive!! Rob Grady told
me that generally charge around $500 per body panel to rebrush slightly-damaged
body panels. I am sure the cost for smooth panels would be much more.
Also consider chemical stripping. Not something you should try yourself, but
aircraft refinishing shops are often equiped to handle this sort of process.
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I'm hungry. Let's get a taco.
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From: raddad@cmn.net
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:48:08 -0700
Subject: apologies
To All
I returned home after a short business trip and had an inbasket full of email.
In my haste to respond, I inadvertantly used the dmcnews group address to respond
to a personal note about our planned DMC tour to Snowmass.
I apoligize.
Dick Ryan
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From: raddad@cmn.net
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:32:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: reliability
I have been reading with interest the various messages about whether the DeLorean
is reliable. Finally had to jump in.
I have taken at least a dozen trips with my DMC that were 1200-1500 miles each. I
have taken at least 4 that were 2000+ miles and I took one that was over 3000
miles. My car has never broken down on a trip.
This summer I am looking forward to two long trips -- one of nearly 2000 miles
and one of 3000 miles.
The DeLorean is a *GREAT* road car. Like any other car, it is as reliable as the
maintenance performed on it.
Dick Ryan
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