DeLorean Mailing List - 3/22/96
dmcnews-digest Saturday, 22 March 1997 Volume 02 : Number 223
In this issue:
Fuse Boxes for Delorian
Re: Electric and Fires
SS304 and electric problems
Re; Twin Turbos-Knock Sensor
Re: Radio installation, CD changer
Re: SS304 and Grounding
Oils, Plugs, Alternators, etc.
Saturday April 12,97
Re: SS304 and Grounding
Re: Saturday April 12,97
Re: Saturday April 12,97
Monthly List Guidelines - SAVE THIS MESSAGE Re: Saturday April 12,97
Keeping it looking great
Click Click Click
Re: Keeping it looking great
Re: keep it looking great
Re: Re; Twin Turbos-Knock Sensor
INFO!?!?!
Re: Click Click Click
Re: Keeping it looking great
Free Tech Events for DOA Members
Stereo
Re: Free Tech Events for DOA Members
D.O.A. Board
Anyone in New Jersey
Re: D.O.A. Board - addendum
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From: jfeine@usiultrasonic.com (James Feine) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:22:44 +0000
Subject: Fuse Boxes for Delorian
Does anyone have a new or replacement for the fusebox - My 1981 model could use
a new one.
Jim Feine
jfeine@usiultrasonic.com
James Feine
Ultrasonic Services Inc.
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From: "John W. Herron" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:07:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Electric and Fires
In response to posting...
Whenever I work on the car, I try to clean and inspect the electrics within that
area...cleaning connectors, checking wires, etc.
My D has been very good to me. I drive it on a daily basis throughout Los
Angeles...frequenting some of the busiest freeways in the nation...the 10 and 405.
I believe preventive maintenance is key.
John
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From: GullWinged@aol.com Fri, 21 Mar 1997 01:41:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21
Mar 1997 01:41:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: SS304 and electric problems
Bryan:
I recently thought of a question regarding the stainless steel frame you had
created for your DeLorean and your recent post on electrical problems reminded
me that I wanted to ask you about it. I know from experience that a lot of the
electrical problems with DeLoreans essentially can be traced to a lack of good
grounding points on the car due to its extensive use of SS304, fiberglass and
aluminum parts. It appears to me that the only decent ground is the actual frame
of the original car. But since you have replaced it with a stainless steel version,
I wonder what effect this has on getting the proper amount of grounding contacts
for all the electrical components?
Chase Clark
"We are making many changes at Apple. One thing,
however, will not change and that is our commitment to those creative achievers
seeking a better alternative for their computing needs. Whether they are computing
in a corner office, at the kitchen table or on a school desk, we'll continue to
provide the most functional platform for supporting the entire spectrum of
information processing."
- David F. Harrah
Apple's Director of Corp. P.R.
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From: Marc Levy
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:51:11 -0500
Subject: Re; Twin Turbos-Knock Sensor
Bruce Benson Writes:
>cracked rings, or some similar engine problem. Detonation must be dealt with when
going to a turbo. I've gone to a knock sensor that senses the earliest detonation
rattle and retards the ignition timing until it can't hear it. Then the ignition
is restored to normal. This all happens several times per second when under boost.
Ambient air temperature and the level of boost both affect the degree of detonation
and overall turbo performance. The car works better on cooler days. I wouldn't run
over 6.5 lbs. boost
Bruce,
do you have any details on this? I also have the Island twin turbos, and crack
spark plugs on a regular basis. My boost is limited to about 6Lbs, but I do hear
knocking under full boost.
What parts did you use? How did you set it up?
Thanks,
Marc
malevy@lucent.com (Moving to Prudential soon, I expect to be
Marc.Levy@prudential.com but who knows for sure!)
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From: Marc Levy
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:13:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Radio installation, CD changer
With all of the discussion on CD changers in the D, i figured I would = share what
I had found.
Kenwood has a unit (I think it is the 3006) that will fit in to our = stock dash
location, and control the Kenwood CD changer unit.
I have decided not to go with this unit because I was not all that = impressed
with the specifications. If I remember correctly, it had a = Freq Response of
32Hz-16Khz. Most of the high end units have a = 20Hz-20Khz freq response. In
addition, it only provides on set of line = level outputs, so if you want to
add amplifiers to the system. you = either need a after market fader, or you
loose your fader ability.
If you are not looking to put in a "Killer System" and just want to = upgrade
the stock unit with a decent Cass/CDchanger unit, this may be = the way to go.
Crutchfield sells this unit if you have trouble finding it locally. = Most small
stores would not carry a unit like this, there is not a huge = demand for it.
Good Luck,
Marc
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From: Bryan Pearce Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 08:34:11 -0600
Subject: Re: SS304 and Grounding
>Bryan:
>I recently thought of a question regarding the stainless steel frame you had
created for your DeLorean and your recent post on electrical problems reminded
me that I wanted to ask you about it. I know from experience that a lot of the
electrical problems with DeLoreans essentially can be traced to a lack of good
grounding points on the car due to its extensive use of SS304, fiberglass and
aluminum parts. It appears to me that the only decent ground is the actual frame
of the original car. But since you have replaced it with a stainless steel
version, I wonder what effect this has on getting the proper amount of grounding
contacts for all the electrical components?
The problem with the original frame is usually related to corroded contact points
on the frame and not the conductive properties of the material used. I have had
no electrical problems related to the frame being made out of stainless. You can
refer to my recent posting for the only electrical related problems due to the
contacts on the original wiring harness.
Bryan
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From: Aaron Barrus
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:37:55 -0700
Subject: Oils, Plugs, Alternators, etc.
Jameel,
>>>What are the advantages of CASTROL SYNTECH or other
synthetic oils compared to the blends and normal straigh oils?
In my opinion, very little. I've read a few articles on this subject, the most
meaningful was in a consumer reports magazine. They used both synthetic and normal
in 50 NYC cabs, then drove them for 30K miles. On cars they changed every 6000
miles, neither synthetic nor normal oils had lost viscosity, and both engines
appeared to wear similarly (they actually measured the wear around the rings,
pistons, crankshaft, etc). On engines which they left 15,000 miles before changing,
the normal oil had broken down more quickly than the synthetic, but not
significantly.
As for filters: I've heard many mechanics tell me to only bother changing the
filter every-OTHER oil change, because 3000 miles just doesn't wear out a filter.
Maybe if you're burning oil and blowing exhaust into your oil
(head gasket leak, etc), a larger filter would do a better job - but I'd expect
normal 3000 mile oil-changes to be sufficient.
PLUGS:
On my 88 Toyota Supra, I tried replaced my original BOSCH Platinum plugs with
splitfires when scheduled at 60K miles. I was dissapointed in the performance
loss. Especially at the price of the split-fire! I replaced
them a week later with new platinum plugs. Of course - I've heard contradicting
stories - but I'd expect that if an engine is tuned properly,
you're burning all of the gas in the cylinder at each spark anyway, and a larger
spark isn't going to make any difference.
ALTERNATOR:
I drove a car with an under-powered alternator - i.e. replaced with a 40-amp
alternator when it was rated for a 65-amp. The alternator couldn't keep up with
the a/c, headlights, driving lights, radiator fan, interior heater, large stereo,
etc. all running at the same time, but if I let it
idle for a while with everything off, the battery would catch up again. I don't
believe you'll damage anything with an underpowered alternator, it's just a bother
(and it'll wear out quicker). An overpowered alternator
shouldn't hurt either, it'll only supply to your battery equal to the amps being
drawn from your battery.
LOWERING:
I'm not the pro here, and somebody on the list will probably tell you better
than I. However, I understand that the correct procedure is cutting the existing
delorean springs - cut ~2 inches off the rear springs, and move them to the front,
and move the front springs to the back. PJ Grady would be able to tell you more
exactly. I wouldn't try this yourself - cutting the springs at just the right
angle to fit up against the top of the
shock tower without decent equipment would be very difficult.
This is all my humble opinion - I've been wrong before!
Aaron
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From: michael richard pack Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:43:19
-0500 (EST) Subject: Saturday April 12,97
Hello Friends
Is there anyone from the list who is planning on attending the Annual Gulling
door adjustments & safety check in New Hope Pennsylvania? The safety check
starts at 12 noon - 6 pm.
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:08:10 -0600
Subject: Re: SS304 and Grounding
Dear DMC GROUP,
How do I get to the grounding contacts to the frame? Is that easy to keep clean
or do you have to remove a ton of things to get to it? Are there any sprays or
cleaners out there that protect wiring from corroding? On the circuitboards I
make, we have sprays that get rid of flux and other contaminents, but I don't
think it will remove rust... Maybe cleaning it then coating it with some type of
epoxy will keep then working good!
Jameel
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Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@uiuc.edu
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From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:33:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Saturday April 12,97
michael richard pack wrote:
>Hello Friends
>Is there anyone from the list who is planning on attending the Annual Gulling door
adjustments & safety check in New Hope Pennsylvania? The safety check starts at 12
noon - 6 pm.
I am, if I ever get my butt in gear and mail out the $12.
Mike
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From: "John W. Herron" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:26:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Saturday April 12,97
So Cal DOA Members:
Why aren't there events like this in our area? We have the resources and interest.
Your commments are always appreciated.
John
DOA So. Cal
>>Hello Friends
>>Is there anyone from the list who is planning on attending the Annual Gulling
door adjustments & safety check in New Hope Pennsylvania? The safety check starts
at 12 noon - 6 pm.
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From: James Espey
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 10:33:24 -0000
Subject: Monthly List Guidelines - SAVE THIS MESSAGE
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From: Louis Weiland
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 11:42:24 -0000
Subject: Re: Saturday April 12,97
>Why aren't there events like this in our area? We have the resources and interest.
>Your commments are always appreciated.
>John
>DOA So. Cal
>>>Hello Friends
>>>Is there anyone from the list who is planning on attending the Annual Gulling
door adjustments & safety check in New Hope Pennsylvania? The safety check starts
at 12 noon - 6 pm.
Hmmmm, let's see. The largest DOA chapter in the country is in So. Cal., and the
chapter is run by Ray Haug, a DOA board member (and friend) of the DOA President,
Ed Bernstein, who just happens to own DeLorean One.
Louis
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From: DMC12
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:00:46 -0500
Subject: Keeping it looking great
I was wondering what was the best way to wash the car and to dry it without
leaving water spots or streaks. What kind of soap seems to work best? I finally
got my '83 on the road today and drove it for a while. Well, thanx for now, till
next time
Doug
'83 DeLorean #15880
'78 MG Midget
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From: michael richard pack Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:09:53
-0500 (EST)
Subject: Click Click Click
Hello
My car did something very strage today. I'm home on Spring Break and started to
see what the DeLorean was up to...or at least try to start the car.
When I tried to start the car the relays started to click, click, click. Then
the door buzzer sounded and then nothing. The relays were replaced. I jumped
started the car like the owners manual say to, attaching the juper cables in
the boot.
What should I check?
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From: steve brodsky Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:15:24 -0800
Subject: Re: Keeping it looking great
DMC12 wrote:
>I was wondering what was the best way to wash the car and to dry it without
leaving water spots or streaks. What kind of soap seems to work best? I finally
got my '83 on the road today and drove it for a while. Well, thanx for now, till
next time
>Doug
>'83 DeLorean #15880
>'78 MG Midget
i've always useda scotch brite pad. DO NOT USE STILL WOOL!!! and dawn dishwashing
detergent. you can scrub lightly WITH the grain. after it is dried with a towel,
use a stainless steel polish. (if you use brillo, sos, or steel wool, the metal
fibers become imbedded in the finish and leave rust spots)
steve brodsky #10688
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:09:33 -0500
Subject: Re: keep it looking great
Doug said:
>I was wondering what was the best way to wash the car and to dry it without
leaving water spots or streaks.
I treat mine like stainless cutlery. I use a mild solution of dish detergent and
a soft cloth to wash, then a towel or chamois to dry. This works great on the
stainless, but the wheels occasionally need a good blast with a power hose.
Many DeLorean owners are afraid to use an automatic brush carwash, even though
there is a passage in "The Stainless Steel Illusion" that clearly states that all
DeLoreans were washed by one of those units at the factory.
I recommend that you do not overdo the "Scotchbright" treatment. I use them once
per year or less.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: BRUCE BENSON Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:40:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Re; Twin Turbos-Knock Sensor
At 01:51 PM 3/21/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Bruce Benson Writes:
>>cracked rings, or some similar engine problem. Detonation must be dealt with
when going to a turbo. I've gone to a knock sensor that senses the earliest
detonation rattle and retards the ignition timing until it can't hear it. Then
the ignition is restored to normal. This all happens several times per second
when under boost.
>Bruce,
>do you have any details on this?
>What parts did you use? How did you set it up?
>Thanks,
>Marc
Marc,
The fellow I've talked with is named John. Make sure you tell him it's for a
DeLorean. He makes special modifications for the odd firing sequence on the
PRV engine. Installation isn't too hard but it takes a bit of trial and error
to make final adjustments. My neighbors probably got a little tired of
my DeLorean accelerating out on the county road time after time until I was
satisfied with the performance. Cost is about $385.
Bruce Benson
J&S Electronics
HR08
PO Box 2199
Garden grove, California 92642-2199
Phone: 714-534-6975
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:07:49 -0600
Subject: INFO!?!?!
Dear DMC GROUP,
I finally got the Vin#, it is 2273. The first owner was in the club. Please see
what you guys can find out about this car. The video looks very good, so I am
flying over and going to take a look at it. If I like it I am going to have it
shipped home. It costs $1000 for the car transport! Well it is worth it. The car
is insured by the transport company for $45,000 so NO PROBLEM! Thanx guys, Jameel
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Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@uiuc.edu
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:34:13 -0800
Subject: Re: Click Click Click
michael richard pack wrote:
>Hello
>My car did something very strage today. I'm home on Spring Break and started to
see what the DeLorean was up to...or at least try to start the car.
>When I tried to start the car the relays started to click, click, click. Then the
door buzzer sounded and then nothing. The relays were replaced. I jumped started
the car like the owners manual say to, attaching the juper cables in the boot.
>What should I check?
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Sounds like the battery - that's the infamous click, click, click a dead battery
makes.
Regards,
Marv Sterling vin 16000
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:32:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Keeping it looking great
steve brodsky wrote:
>DMC12 wrote:
>>I was wondering what was the best way to wash the car and to dry it without
leaving water spots or streaks. What kind of soap seems to work best? I finally
got my '83 on the road today and drove it for a while. Well, thanx for now, till
next time
>>Doug
>>'83 DeLorean #15880
>>'78 MG Midget
>i've always useda scotch brite pad. DO NOT USE STILL WOOL!!! and dawn dishwashing
detergent. you can scrub lightly WITH the grain. after it is dried with a towel,
use a stainless steel polish. (if you use brillo, sos, or steel wool, the metal
fibers become imbedded in the finish and leave rust spots)
>steve brodsky #10688
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I have been using Carbon-X which can be obtained from Sporty's Pilot Shop. This
is a solution that you dilute ... it is used by commercial airlines to clean their
planes . . . it dissolves all grime and oils & works well on the wheels. You spray
it on, wait a few minutes and rinse, you can use a cloth for difficult spots or
stains. You do have to dry it to avoid water spots. Sporty's 800 number is
1-800-543-8633. Good luck,
Marv Sterling vin 16000
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From: "John W. Herron" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:48:48 -0700
Subject: Free Tech Events for DOA Members
Louis:
Thats what I thought...certain entities/persons may prevent and/or discourage such
helpful events. Money and politics should not play an integral role in our
organization. This disappointments very much...especially when were supposed to
help each other.
Any Directors wish to comment on this matter?
Regards,
John
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From: "Bradley J. Otoupalik" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:12:31 -0800
Subject: Stereo
Hi Guys,
I am replying to the thread about cd changers. There si actually a model, a
Kenwood, that fits into the stock holes and controls the Kenwood 10 disc changer,
that incidentally is very small and would fit in glove box or compartment behind
drivers door. This is the steroe that I will upgrade to
when I get around to it. It is really a good unit, especially since it eleiminates
the need to cut into your dash.
Brad Otoupalik
President,
Veloce Imports, LLC
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From: Louis Weiland
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 97 06:38:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Free Tech Events for DOA Members
John Herron wrote:
>Thats what I thought...certain entities/persons may prevent and/or discourage
such helpful events. Money and politics should not play an
Don Steger, of DeLorean Motor Center in Garden Grove, used to be VERY active in
the Association and wrote several very good technical articles for DeLorean World
in the mid-eighties - door adjustments, bleeding cooling systems and the like -
the politics of the DOA ran him off, too. Incidentally, one guess who was president
at that time...
>integral role in our organization. This disappointments very much...especially
when were supposed to help each other.
Exactly why I joined this list! No one is here (that I can tell) for any ulterior
motive or self-gain.
Louis
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From: CDIUSAMPS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:42:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: D.O.A. Board
Maybe I'm speaking out of turn, if so sorry, but here goes. One of the problems I
have seen being a member of the Assoc. is the lack of attention to
other parts of the country, other than California. There also seems to be a
deep resentment on the part of certain board members toward the membership trying
to start chapters in their areas, or even get DMC owners together for
other than D.O.A. sponsored or supported events. One of the main problems I
see is the board should be sanitized. No person should serve on the board that has
a stake in the financial end of Deloreans. What I mean to say is the board should
be owners of vehicles and not owners of repair/parts facilities. The main goal of
the Assoc. should be to assist and support other owners, not push the "part du
jour." Giving the benefit of the doubt
that certain individuals currently on the board are not trying to further their
own financial goals, one must admit that the appearance of impropriety
is as bad as the act itself sometimes. I don't really care if a board member
was part of the design staff for the vehicle or a relative of JZD, if he has
a financial interest at this time, he/she should be excluded from being on the
board. I find certain vendors seem to dominate the mind set of the D.O.A. and this
is wrong. I specifically do not appreciate the condescending
attitudes of certain board members toward the general membership (specifically
arrogant comments made at meetings toward and about the general
membership). Perhaps it is time we rethink the entire relationship of the board,
the vendors/advertisers and membership and what the goals of the Assoc. should be.
Just a thought. I hope I did not offend anyone, just cause you to think.
BILL
(P.S. I wonder if I will get my Delo World Mag after this?)
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From: DMC12
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:43:50 -0500
Subject: Anyone in New Jersey
Anyone out there live in New Jersey? Would like to get together with another owner
to talk. I would also like to take some pictures of my car with other Deloreans. I
live in south-central Jersey and work in central Jersey.
Doug Venner
'83 Delorean #15880
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:42:31 -0800
Subject: Re: D.O.A. Board - addendum
CDIUSAMPS@aol.com wrote:
>Maybe I'm speaking out of turn, if so sorry, but here goes. One of the problems
I have seen being a member of the Assoc. is the lack of attention to
>other parts of the country, other than California. There also seems to be a
>deep resentment on the part of certain board members toward the membership trying
to start chapters in their areas, or even get DMC owners together for
>other than D.O.A. sponsored or supported events. One of the main problems I
>see is the board should be sanitized. No person should serve on the board that
has a stake in the financial end of Deloreans. What I mean to say is the board
should be owners of vehicles and not owners of repair/parts facilities. The main
goal of the Assoc. should be to assist and support other owners, not push the
"part du jour." Giving the benefit of the doubt
>that certain individuals currently on the board are not trying to further their
own financial goals, one must admit that the appearance of impropriety
>is as bad as the act itself sometimes. I don't really care if a board member
>was part of the design staff for the vehicle or a relative of JZD, if he has
>a financial interest at this time, he/she should be excluded from being on the
board. I find certain vendors seem to dominate the mind set of the D.O.A. and this
is wrong. I specifically do not appreciate the condescending
>attitudes of certain board members toward the general membership (specifically
arrogant comments made at meetings toward and about the general
>membership). Perhaps it is time we rethink the entire relationship of the board,
the vendors/advertisers and membership and what the goals of the Assoc. should be.
Just a thought. I hope I did not offend anyone, just cause you to think.
BILL
>(P.S. I wonder if I will get my Delo World Mag after this?)
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Gee whiz ! Maybe that's why I dropped my membership. The left coast doesn't dominate
the world although they seem to think so. Marv Sterling - Whitestone, New York ( The
right coast )
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