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Thursday, March 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 341
In this issue:
Re: DML: DeLoreans in the Latrobe PA area
DML: RE: Coolant System Replacement
DML: trying to estimate real mileage
DML: Looking at car, want advice.
DML: DMC-12 FOR SALE
Re: DML: Servicing in Atlanta
DML: Re: Everyday Driver Insurance
DML: RE: Mode Control Switch
DML: Free Tires/Tire Talk
re:DML:DeLorean Overheating Problem/Solution
DML: Fan Speed Switch
DML: Removal of the ???
DML: Email for Trevor Baker
DML: DeLorean on "The Simpsons"
Re: DML: Center Console
Re: DML: Removal of the ???
DML: DeLorean on Pop-up-Video
RE: DML:DeLorean Overheating Problem/Solution
DML: Up-coming meet
Re: DML: Automatic
Re: DML: trying to estimate real mileage
Re: DML: Fan Speed Switch
Re: DML: Removal of the ???
DML: DMC I Found
DML: RE: Bulkhead removal
Re: DML: Looking at car, want advice.
DML: RE: trying to estimate real mileage
Re: DML: Automatic
DML: Re: Where are my Keys?
DML: Tires
Re: DML: Removal of the ???
Re: DML: DeLorean on "The Simpsons"
Re: DML: trying to estimate real mileage
DML: Stainless Steel clean/polish
Re: Teri Jennings address (was DML: Automatic)
Re: DML: Deloreans vs 928s
Re: DML: trying to estimate real mileage
DML: Length of an uninstalled stock spring?
DML: Manuals For Sale Again
Re: DML: Tires
Re: DML: Length of an uninstalled stock spring?
DML: Stainless brakes and cylinders
DML: Dealership sign for sale
DML: Temperature Switch Fix
DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:45:46 EST
From: VickRich
Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in the Latrobe PA area
Latrobe, Pa. We live in New Philadelphia, Ohio...not too far!
We have a black DeLorean. E-Mail if you want to see it.
VickRich(AT)aol.com
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:22:35 -0500
From: Rob Hook
Subject: DML: RE: Coolant System Replacement
I'm a little behind on my DML reading so I apoligize if this is too late =
to help you. The reason the bolts get stuck in the DeLorean engine so =
often is the engine is aluminum and the bolts are steel. Try using a =
pentrant on the bolts instead of a lubricant. WD-40 is ok but it's =
primarily a libricant. Something like liquid wrench would work alot =
better. Also, heat is useful but remember that aluminum dissipates the =
heat to the entire part much quicker than steel. When you are heating =
the aluminum part, you basically have to heat the whole part before you =
get much expansion. You may want to use something hotter than propane. =
Try a MAP torch. It's hotter than propane but not hot enough to melt =
the aluminum.
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:42:47 -0500
From: "Mike Thomas"
Subject: DML: trying to estimate real mileage
I recently wrote to tell you guys about my recent purchase. At the time I
thought I stole
the car. Although the price was still extremely fair, I am wondering
about
the car's
actual mileage. The odo reads 34K miles, but for example the auto trans
shifter
knob is rather shiny where I would expect it to still be textured. The
front spoiler looks like it
has never seen a kicked up pebble. My lambda counter reads 113, and I'm
not
sure what
the hell this means. I think I saw some stuff in back issues, so just
ignore me if it's in there.
Any other semi-reliable methods of determining actual mileage? It seems
to
me that with
the finite number of spare parts available, and the occasional purchase
of a
used original
equipment part, it's difficult to gauge actual mileage. Any suggestions?
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:04:29 EST
From: Iznodmad
Subject: DML: Looking at car, want advice.
Hi all. I have found a D (#812) that I am interested in and would
like
to mention a few details about the car. I know you can't say much without
seeing it but here it goes. First of all the speedo doesn't work and
hasn't
worked since 39 miles. It is funny that he has the parts to fix the
speedo,
but has failed to do so. The owner approximates 30,000 on the car due to
him
replacing 1 set of tires, but he is the 2nd owner and he said the tires he
recieved the car with were Bridgestones (not the NCT's). I wonder if the
milage is not double or triple that since the pedals are quite worn as is
the
shifter boot and the seats, even the steering wheel is a bit worn. Is
there
any way to check the milage? Second, the frame is in great condition
except
for rust formed on the cross members. Is this anything to worry about?
When he moved the car for a test drive, there was some greenish liquid on
the
garage floor. However it didn't have the consistency of antifreeze and
did
not come from the overflow. He had told me he had changed the antifreeze
just
a week ago. Any ideas on this? I am happy with every other aspect of
the car
and other than those target areas the car is mechanically sound. I would
appreciate any ideas/comments on these descriptions.
Thanks,
Darren
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:44:39 EST
From: RazzzzD
Subject: DML: DMC-12 FOR SALE
LATE 1981 (vin # 6882)
13,250 MILES
AUTO
GREY INTERIOR
VERY GOOD CONDITION
$17,000.00
CALL RAZ AT 1-407-330-0721 AFTER 6:00PM E.S.T. (FLORIDA, NEAR DISNEY)
E-MAIL AT razzzzd(AT)aol.com
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:28:52 EST
From: SoundKillr
Subject: Re: DML: Servicing in Atlanta
If you are in the Atlanta area and need anything done to your Delorean
call
Joe Lore at (770) 631 4800. Joe can do anything with or to a Delorean.
Delorean Services
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:00:58 EST
From: GullWinged
Subject: DML: Re: Everyday Driver Insurance
>Question: Does anyone drive their DeLorean on a daily basis as their =
>only car? I was wondering what if Insurance companies thought of this? =
>(I know, Insurance has been discussed before, but not this aspect).
Eric:
My 1981 DeLorean is my only car and is an everyday driver, although I had
two other cars when I first purchased it. AAA of Missouri has given me
great rates on the car. I have full coverage with $1000
deductibles/towing/rental cars/medical/etc. for less than $46 per month.
Chase
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:06:03 EST
From: CDI USAMPS
Subject: DML: RE: Mode Control Switch
Alright, alright, pour the wine and cut the cheese!!!!! Many thanks to
everyone who provided info on the lube info on the mode control switch.
Operation complete and the patient will live. BILL
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 98 10:49:09 -0000
From: David Swingle
Subject: DML: Free Tires/Tire Talk
I have decided to upgrade the tires on my car to the Yokohama
Intermediates. The ones I am taking off are "Bridgestone Steel Belted 60"
(no other line name) manufactured in 1986. They have probably been driven
no more than 8K miles, are the proper 195-60HR14 and 235-60HR15 sizes and
have a lot of tread left on them. There is starting to be a tiny bit of
cracking, but not too bad (hey - they ARE 12 years old). If someone needs
a cheap (pay shipping or pick them up free) set of tires to get them
through times of low cash, please write me back privately. I'll give it a
week or two and then they go to the tire recyclers. I'm in the Chicago
area.
Other tire talk - the Goodyear Eagle GTIIs mentioned a few days ago,
while still available, may be in short supply and have apparently been
manufacture-discontinued by Goodyear. If you want 'em act fast. They are
also not appropriately speed rated (i.e. S is less than H - go figure/see
below) but that is probably not a real issue for most of us. Mine will
probably never see 100 mph. The Yokohamas from Tire Rack
are $430/set including Fedex shipping. The Goodyears
are a LOT less expensive (less then $300/set). Talking to the guy - they
sure recognize these as Delorean tire sizes. My local retail store wanted
$590 for the same Yoko tires.
FYI tire ratings - The DeLorean was originally supposed to carry H-rated
tires. Funny how the letters don't go in order of speed rating.
S=112 MPH, 180km/h
T=118 MPH, 190km/h
U=124 MPH, 200km/h
H=130 MPH, 210km/h
V=149 MPH, 240km/h
Z=149 MPH, 240km/h and over
W=168 MPH, 270km/h
Y=186 MPH, 300km/h
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 98 10:49:13 -0000
From: David Swingle
Subject: re:DML:DeLorean Overheating Problem/Solution
Gary Hull/Arnie Brandon wrote:
>For some years, the Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club has used the below
>described solution to the overheating problem. This system was designed
>by Toby Peterson and Arnie Brandon, of PNDC.
...
>To overcome this problem permanently, merely remove the air bleeder valve
>and insert a single hose barb. To this hose barb, attach 44 inches of
>very good hose. . .
One question - where on earth did you find a hose barb with that fine
metric thread on it? I also found that 5/16 heater-grade hose and 5/16
T-fittings are not exactly everyday parts store items, although I did
find them. When I asked for 5/16 heater hose at the local NAPA store, the
guy brought out a 50' box, with 5' left, that had been manufactured in
1992. Not a fast-moving item, I guess. I may be giving Arnie a call this
week....
Otherwise - it looks like an elegantly simple solution to a long-standing
problem. Since I am in the process of putting my cooling system back
together, this would be as good a time as any to give it a try.
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:17:56 -0600
From: Duke
Subject: DML: Fan Speed Switch
I had my center console out to install a new stereo EQ and while I was =
at it, I replaced all my A/C panel bulbs while I had it apart. Now, =
however, my fan speed switch doesn't work. It was working fine before I =
replaced all the bulbs so I figured that the switch came apart from the =
connector. Today I checked it and its hooked up. I took a test light =
and went through all the speeds 1,2,3, & 4 and I have power from the =
connector. I don't think I have a bad switch. Is there anything else I =
could have knocked lose back there??? The relays and fuse are also fine =
so all I can figure is that something's lose or the switch went bad. =
The reason I'm wondering about a lose connection is because I really =
don't want to pull out the center console again if I don't have to. Any =
help would be GREATLY appreciated!!!!!!
Thanks in advance,
Duke=20
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
Also, don't forget about the Greenville, Al meet Saturday March 15.
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:47:19 -0500
From: Marc A Levy
Subject: DML: Removal of the ???
Anyone know how to remove the vertical panel in the storage area behind
the seat? I am talking about the long carpeted piece (is it wood?)
that goes across the entire back of the car, vertical to the
fuse/control access panels.
I have not looked at it carefully yet, but I don't see any obvious
screws, or latches.
Marc
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:28:24 -0600
From: "PHAMER.OPPD.COM"
Subject: DML: Email for Trevor Baker
Trevor, I got your email, but have an incomplete email address for you.
Please contact me again. Sorry to have to use the list for this.
Apologies
Paul Hamer
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:09:19 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: DeLorean on "The Simpsons"
If your local TV station shows two re-run episodes of "The Simpsons"
every day, like mine does, then there is a web page which tells you
which episodes are coming up:
http://www.foxworld.com/simpsons/syndicat.htm
According to this page, the DeLorean episode, entitled "A Fish Called
Selma" was shown last Tuesday! Did anyone happen to catch it?
I looks like the next time the episode will run is Wednesday, May 27,
1998. Just in time for someone to tape it and bring it to the Cincinnati
event! I am marking my calendar right now.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:19:15 -0800
From: Dave Price
Subject: Re: DML: Center Console
>>believe with will greatly improve the interior of the car which I
>>currently think is somewhat shabby and outdated. I'll have pictures on my
>
>I can't disagree more with this statement. One of the things that I
>praise
>the Delorean most for is its interior and how well the design has held up.
>the
>Delorean's interior is much more modern, sporty, ergonomic, and stylish.
>I
>believe the Delorean's interior could EASILY pass for an interior in a
>modern car.
I agree that the interior of the Delorean has held up well, but the
wood-laden interior would give it more of a "luxury" car appeal. It's not
really styled to be a luxury car, but once you're inside, it feels like
one, so why not make it look like one on the inside too? I'm not a
big
fan of wood dash/consoles in cars, but I'd love to see how it turns out.
However, I do feel as though the core components of the interior are
behind
the times (Gauge cluster/Clunky switches and knobs/shaft-style radio)....
Dave
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:10:50 -0600
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: Removal of the ???
Marc A Levy wrote:
> Anyone know how to remove the vertical panel in the storage area behind
> the seat? I am talking about the long carpeted piece (is it wood?)
> that goes across the entire back of the car, vertical to the
> fuse/control access panels.
I had mine out last summer and don't recall removal being a problem. As I
remember, it is only held in by the 4 brackets that also serve as top row
hooks for the cargo net. Once they are removed, you can pull the panel
out. Mine was tightly fit into the space, so didn't fall out of it's own
volition.
Bill
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:27:32 -0600
From: Kevin Wolter
Subject: DML: DeLorean on Pop-up-Video
As I was flipping through channels on Saturday and I caught a 20 second =
piece that VH-1 did during their Pop-up Video's show. It appeared that =
the theme of this episode was the '80s and "car" things. They showed a =
couple of DeLoreans and made a comment that the factory closed in '82. =
Then they showed somebody interviewing JZD. Lastly, they had a DeLorean =
with the doors up and somebody making a comment about how it looked like =
a James Bond car.
Did anybody else see this?
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:45:31 -0800
From: Gary Hull
Subject: RE: DML:DeLorean Overheating Problem/Solution
David Swingle Wrote
>One question - where on earth did you find a hose barb with that fine
>metric thread on it? I also found that 5/16 heater-grade hose and 5/16
>T-fittings are not exactly everyday parts store items, although I did
>find them. When I asked for 5/16 heater hose at the local NAPA store, the
>guy brought out a 50' box, with 5' left, that had been manufactured in
>1992. Not a fast-moving item, I guess. I may be giving Arnie a call this
>week....
Reply from Gary
Arnie did a lot of hunting to find the parts for this fix. He has to go
to
four different sources for the parts. That is why the kit he is selling
is
such a great deal.
Gary Hull
XyNexT Business Strategies
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:14:33 -0500
From: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Subject: DML: Up-coming meet
There is a "Concours d'Elegance Concours Europa" in Greenwich, Ct. from
June 30-
July 1 1998.. (See DeLorean World Volume 15, Number 1) Any "D's" in the
Northeast want to get together and make the trip.... California / Ohio /
New
Orleans are a little too far for me.
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:57:05 -0700
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Automatic
Tom
I purchased mine from Teri Jennings. She still advertises in the DeLorean
World. Lives in Azusa, CA. I'm at my store now so don't have her address
in front of me. If you don't find it in a recent DeLorean World, email me
again & I'll look it up at home.
BTW, it worked quite well. Recently Joe Steuben (JSteuben(AT)aol.com) put
one
on his automatic and is pleased with it. Another BTW, I had also put an
engine oil cooler on my D as so has Joe and we both got those from Teri
Jennings as well. The engine oil cooler makes up a bit for the wimpy
original radiator. I do not have one on my "new" D because I have the
triple core brass radiator on it and believe me that is a very good
investment.
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
- ----------------------------
>Rad Dad, I live in Hawaii and, needless to say, it gets pretty warm here.
>Could you please tell me where I can get a transmission oil cooler for my
>automatic DeLorean. Thanks and Aloha!
>
>Thom Smithson
>VIN #3089
>
>----------
>> From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
>> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
>> Subject: Re: DML: Automatic
>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 6:00 PM
>>
>> I had an automatic that I put nearly 100,000 miles on. During that time
>I
>> replaced the computer twice. For what it is worth, I did put on a
>> transmission oil cooler.
>>
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 15:29:09 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: trying to estimate real mileage
> The odo reads 34K miles, but for example the auto trans
> shifter
> knob is rather shiny where I would expect it to still be textured. The
> front spoiler looks like it
> has never seen a kicked up pebble. My lambda counter reads 113, and I'm
> not
> sure what
> the hell this means. I think I saw some stuff in back issues, so just
Sounds exactly correct. 113 is 113% of 30K miles OR 30K X 1.13 which
is somewhere around 33,9XX miles :-)
- -Brandon
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 15:47:08 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Fan Speed Switch
> I had my center console out to install a new stereo EQ and while I was =
> at it, I replaced all my A/C panel bulbs while I had it apart. Now, =
> however, my fan speed switch doesn't work. It was working fine before I =
> replaced all the bulbs so I figured that the switch came apart from the =
> connector. Today I checked it and its hooked up. I took a test light =
> and went through all the speeds 1,2,3, & 4 and I have power from the =
> connector. I don't think I have a bad switch. Is there anything else I =
> could have knocked lose back there??? The relays and fuse are also fine =
> so all I can figure is that something's lose or the switch went bad. =
> The reason I'm wondering about a lose connection is because I really =
> don't want to pull out the center console again if I don't have to. Any =
> help would be GREATLY appreciated!!!!!!
Well, The other connectors are on the fan motor and resistor panel.
I suppose that you could have pulled one of these connectors off
while working under the dash. but, thats my best guess without
actually checking everything with a meter.
- -Brandon
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 15:37:31 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Removal of the ???
> Anyone know how to remove the vertical panel in the storage area behind
> the seat? I am talking about the long carpeted piece (is it wood?)
> that goes across the entire back of the car, vertical to the
> fuse/control access panels.
>
> I have not looked at it carefully yet, but I don't see any obvious
> screws, or latches.
>
> Marc
Its referred to as the rear "Bulkhead assembly". Its basically plywood
and
is in three pieces. The center section is held in with screws and can be
removed
if you need to remove the wiring harness. As for the other 2 big panels,
they are
glued in place with a very very strong GREEN glue !! I have removed then
once
and ended up breaking the boards to get them out. BUT, if you don't tear
them up
too bad, just trace them out on some new plywood and paint it black !
- -Brandon
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:52:22 -0500
From: Wade Shapiro
Subject: DML: DMC I Found
I was searching Classifieds 2000 for DeLoreans for sale, and I came
across this.
The description is very interesting...
http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+A0+R263252+Q256717662
Wade
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:03:01 EST
From: CDI USAMPS
Subject: DML: RE: Bulkhead removal
Marc, Just took mine out last night. The rear carpeted area which runs
vertical to the fuse box area (up and down) and has the cargo net hooks
at the
top is easily removed. At each of the hooks (should be 4 each) look
underneath and you will see a screw with a metal guide. Remove all 4
screws.
Then pull the top of the entire piece, carpet, wood and all towards you
slowly. On the bottom of the board (behind the carpet and wood) are two
hangers which attach to two hooks mounted to the rear firewall. Once you
have
pulled the board down enough to clear the area which holds the rear
window,
pull up on the board and it will release itself from the two hangers. It
is
now out. BILL
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:19:03 -0600
From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Looking at car, want advice.
Iznodmad wrote:
>
> Hi all. I have found a D (#812) that I am interested in and would
> like
> to mention a few details about the car. I know you can't say much without
(SNIP)
> a week ago. Any ideas on this? I am happy with every other aspect of
> the car
> and other than those target areas the car is mechanically sound. I would
> appreciate any ideas/comments on these descriptions.
>
> Thanks,
> Darren
That green fluid is most likely anti-freeze. Remember that the radiator
is in the front and there are many hose clamps in the system. To help
verify the mileage, look at the lambda counter, the numbers represent
the percent of 30,000 miles, ie: 100 = 30,000 miles, 110 = 33,000
miles. This may not be accurate though, the angle drive at the front
left wheel is notorious for failing from lack of lubrication. Good luck
and have fun.
Scott Mueller
1981
vin 2981
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:10:45 -0600
From: Duke
Subject: DML: RE: trying to estimate real mileage
Mike,
It may be a long shot, but you could call D1 (1-800-DMC HELP) and see if =
they sold any parts to the previous owner. I haven't dealt with them in =
quite a while but before they would send out some parts, they would ask =
for the VIN number and the mileage.
Hope this helps,
Duke
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:37:46 -1000
From: "Thomas Smithson"
Subject: Re: DML: Automatic
Please send me contact info for Teri Jennings as I was unable to find
anything in my one DeLorean World mag. Appreciate your help. Thanks and
Aloha!
Thom Smithson
VIN #3089
- ----------
> From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
> Subject: Re: DML: Automatic
> Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 9:57 AM
>
> Tom
>
> I purchased mine from Teri Jennings. She still advertises in the DeLorean
> World. Lives in Azusa, CA. I'm at my store now so don't have her
address
> in front of me. If you don't find it in a recent DeLorean World, email
me
> again & I'll look it up at home.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:41:40 -1000
From: "Thomas Smithson"
Subject: DML: Re: Where are my Keys?
Could you send info on keys as I could use another set. Is this a set of
two or just one? What info do you need from me? What's the cost? Thanks
and
Aloha!
Thom Smithson
VIN #3089
PNDC, DMC, DOA
- ----------
> From: lseiler(AT)radiance.com
> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
> Subject: DML: Where are my Keys?
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 4:51 AM
>
> >Where are my Keys Lee?
>
(SNIP)
> The keys are still available and will remain available for the
> foreseeable future.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Lee
> VIN#5729
> Lic:81DMC12
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:45:53 -0700
From: "Stephen Jaeger"
Subject: DML: Tires
I've had my car for 2 months (81' 5 speed) and after reading the
past messages regarding tires concluded that the cars road
wander was due to the tire sizes. I have Goodyear GT's 205/
60-14 and 245/60-15s on the car. I have decide to go back
to the spec sizes just haven't picked out a brand yet. But
reading through the back issues of Delorean World, vol. 2
no. 3, the tech advisor recommended going to 1 tire size
larger to improve "driving pleasure". What do I do now? Am I
correct to change the tires or could the road wander be due
to another problem. Thanks for your help.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 23:02:15 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Removal of the ???
> Marc A Levy wrote:
>
> > Anyone know how to remove the vertical panel in the storage area behind
> > the seat? I am talking about the long carpeted piece (is it wood?)
> > that goes across the entire back of the car, vertical to the
> > fuse/control access panels.
I think I mentioned the wrong thing in my last post. You guys just have
to
ignore me. The part you are talking about is held by the hooks on the
top
and sits on 2 metal hangers behind it. You just remove the screws from
the
top and
tilt the thing toward you and lift it from the hangers.
- -BM
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:44:36 +0000
From: Michael Hanley
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean on "The Simpsons"
I saw and know the episode well. Troy Mclure the out-of-work two bit
actor drives a Delorean in the Simpsons. He smashes it up pretty good
too and even though a cartton I still cringed as I did scream out loud
in theater at the end of Back 2 Future three. Sorry I don't have the
episode on tape. But it is well worth it if you can get it.
- -MJH
DMC #0981
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:06:48 -0500
From: Marc A Levy
Subject: Re: DML: trying to estimate real mileage
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
>
> > The odo reads 34K miles, but for example the auto trans
> > shifter
> > knob is rather shiny where I would expect it to still be textured. The
> > front spoiler looks like it
> > has never seen a kicked up pebble. My lambda counter reads 113, and I'm
> > not
> > sure what
> > the hell this means. I think I saw some stuff in back issues, so just
>
> Sounds exactly correct. 113 is 113% of 30K miles OR 30K X 1.13 which
> is somewhere around 33,9XX miles :-)
>
> -Brandon
Well, if the angle drive or spedometer cable was broken at some point,
the lambda counter will also read low. It is driven off of the spedo
cable.
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:41:33 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher"
Subject: DML: Stainless Steel clean/polish
Re various letters concerning the upkeep of our Stainless Steel De =
Lorean bodies, I have owned my car for just a year now so do not have a =
lot of experience but I will comment about MY own experiences, for what =
its worth.
My brother had an "umbrella Corporation" in Hawaii, where one of his =
company's was a Restaurant Supply business. As such they sold =
Stainless Steel equipment for restaurants. They had done research on =
various chemicals and ended up with several they could =
recommend....however the best they had found to date was one called =
"Reflection" by Paulsen & Roles Laboratories. I have found it is =
available in most Commercial and Industrial Cleaning Supply stores. In =
most stores it was the ONLY one available. Locally, it comes in a 15 =
ounce spray can for about $7.00. It has no Acids or abrasives. No =
rubbing is required. You put on a small amount and spread it around. =
The container says it is for Institutional, Commercial and Industrial =
use.
From a personal standpoint, I have been SLOWLY doing my car with this, a =
section at a time. For example I started working on the front hood, =
partly because it is the one with the divided panels on each side. I =
only got as far as the smaller divided sections running the length of =
the hood...I have not done the center yet. Each time I wash the car and =
in between times, I can sure tell what I have done. Those panels look =
almost like chrome in SOME lights, but always stand out enough that =
people who are quite observant, ask me WHY the difference. These =
panels were done 8 months ago. Anyway, that is MY experience and I am =
sure there are treatments available equally as good.
Also I would comment that I think the surface preparation first is =
important too. When I bought my car, I took it right to Arnie Brandon, =
who is President of the Pacific Northwest De Lorean Club, for a =
friendly evaluation. He had in his nicely equipped garage everything =
needed for the upkeep of the De Lorean....he bought his first car new =
and has been very active ever since. I got two pads of 3M Scotch-Brite =
hand pads from him. These were what he had always used. Since that =
time I got a carton of 10 from an Industrial Supply Company. They are =
described as Heavy Duty Tan Hand Pads. These are # 7440. They show a =
chart on the side of the box and list them as Most Aggressive to Least =
Aggressive. This one is the second down from the MOST aggressive end =
of the scale. I see Lee suggests the next one down the line (#7446) =
as a little LESS aggressive and I am sure that would be fine too and =
maybe a little less touchy in using it. Of course I think everyone =
knows you DO NOT let that pad go sideways with the grain of the SS at =
all. ALWAYS rub parallel with the grain only. =20
I am pretty much a newcomer at all of this, but enjoy researching these =
things and keeping up my De Lorean the best I know how.=20
Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic: DMC-XII =20
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:52:14 EST
From: JSteuben
Subject: Re: Teri Jennings address (was DML: Automatic)
Teri Jennings can be reached at: 1202 North Dalton St., Azusa, CA 91702,
(818)
334 - 5262. Good luck, Joe
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:58:32 EST
From: Kayo Ong
Subject: Re: DML: Deloreans vs 928s
I was just on the Porche 928 club's web site. Saw a thread on how a 928
owner
was trying to justify his experience when a Dodger Viper "smoked" him. He
talked about the first pass of the Viper. He then talked about how he
almost
caught up to pass the 928 when they came up to curves on the road .
Curves
handling at high speed is Viper weaknesses. The owner of the 928 did
catch up
to the Viper at the curves on fast driving, but there was a straight way
again, of course the Viper did smoked his 928..................
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a on hand experience (or by
ownwership),
the difference and comparion on handling between a Delorean versus a
Porche
928? How do they compare? Do the Porche have a better handling
qualities,
etc? No I am not going to sell the "D" and buy the "928". If I wanted
one, I
would have brought one, if not three. I don't like them much. Several of
my
friends have 928s. Because of their "brag", I got on the 928 site, just
to
see the "mentality" of the 928 site. Very informative on technical
subjects
other then the 928.
I myself have sat in many 928s for short duration rides, but never long
and
very fast speeds with curves. I never driven one, even though I been
offered.
I don't like to drive a car under someone's ownership. Can't open it up
and
do what is necessary to experience the car. I do not like to abuse some
one's
pride and joy.
So, anyone out there?
Kayo
#05508
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:56:35 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: trying to estimate real mileage
At 09:06 AM 3/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
>........Well, if the angle drive or speedometer cable was broken at some
point,
>the lambda counter will also read low. It is driven off of the spedo
>cable..........
speaking of angle drives, I am on number 4!
I may need to get an auto angle drive installer installed?
I am waiting for the support kit in hopes that this will cut down the
drive replacements rate.
So far, pot holes and a curb have accounted for two, rust for one third.
I have been thinking of getting a bicycle wheel and attaching it to the
rear and measuring speed and distance with it instead of getting half a
dozen more angle drives.???
Thanks
Lee
VIN#5729
Lic:81DMC12
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:50:16 -0700
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Length of an uninstalled stock spring?
I recently bought a set of what was advertised as Fred Locketts lowered
springs and realized upon inspecting them yesterday that I have no way of
knowing whether or not they are lowered or stock. Does anyone have a set
of stock springs that are NOT installed that they would measure for me so
I can compare it against these that I have? Is this an accurate way to
tell? I just don't want to go to the effort of installing these and then
find that it hasn't changed the ride height.
James
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:49:07 -0600
From: "PHAMER.OPPD.COM"
Subject: DML: Manuals For Sale Again
I had several Parts Catalogs (4) and Tech Manuals (3) listed for sale a
few
weeks ago. Several list members wanted to buy them and I held them on a
first
called basis (The Service Bulletins sold out). I just came from the Post
Office and again no checks as promised, so the slate is cleaned and it's
first
to get a check to me gets what they want. If you were one of the persons
that
called wanting these and I said they were gone, contact me again. These
are
spiral bound (like DeLorean One) with a thick paper cover, pages are
photocopies, price is $20ea shipped Priority Mail. I also have 3
original
price lists left (41 pages, includes every original part number) for $10
shipped. Contact me privately at:
phamer(AT)genesisnet.net (home) or phamer(AT)oppd.com (work)
Mail checks to:
Paul Hamer
POB 396
Ft. Calhoun, NE 68023
I will ship the day I get the check.
Thank You, and sorry to have to repost.
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:04:48 -0600
From: Jordan Gary
Subject: Re: DML: Tires
My car also had "road wander". I talked to one of the Delorean
mechanics of great experience, (Jerry Rine) and he told me that a common
problem is that one of the bars which hold the rear tires could be
lose. I checked, and it was lose. I tightened this up and it solved my
problem. To find this support member:
1) it is the member which starts from the rear wheel and angles towards
the front of your car. It also is the member which has shims which are
added or removed to change the toe in of the rear wheel.
2) it is mostly covered up by a sheet metal plate which is triangle
shaped and can be easily removed by taking out the few screws.
3) after removing the plate you will see that you could have checked the
bolt for tightness without removing the plate. The bolt is forward of
the engine and is near the middle of the car. Their is a bolt for each
wheel.
4) if the bolt is lose, then you need to have the alignment of the wheel
checked, as a shim could have easily fallen out. Alignment shops have
extra shims.
Jordan Gary vin 0794
Stephen Jaeger wrote:
> I've had my car for 2 months (81' 5 speed) and after reading the
> past messages regarding tires concluded that the cars road
> wander was due to the tire sizes. I have Goodyear GT's 205/
> 60-14 and 245/60-15s on the car. I have decide to go back
> to the spec sizes just haven't picked out a brand yet. But
> reading through the back issues of Delorean World, vol. 2
> no. 3, the tech advisor recommended going to 1 tire size
> larger to improve "driving pleasure". What do I do now? Am I
> correct to change the tires or could the road wander be due
> to another problem. Thanks for your help.
>
> Steve
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:23:22 -0700
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Length of an uninstalled stock spring?
James
Call Rob Grady. Not only should he have the answer for you, but he also
sells "Euro" front springs. You could compare the measurement of your new
ones to the ones he sells.
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
- ------------------
>I recently bought a set of what was advertised as Fred Locketts lowered
>springs and realized upon inspecting them yesterday that I have no way of
>knowing whether or not they are lowered or stock. Does anyone have a set
>of stock springs that are NOT installed that they would measure for me so
>I can compare it against these that I have? Is this an accurate way to
>tell? I just don't want to go to the effort of installing these and then
>find that it hasn't changed the ride height.
>
>James
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:19:10 -0700
From: luuke(AT)primenet.com
Subject: DML: Stainless brakes and cylinders
In my never-ending pursuit of innovations, I came across a company
that manufactures stainless steel brake parts. This may be of interest to
those of you that want to replace your worn out parts with durable,
long-lasting stainless steel, and keep with the Delorean motive. They
have
calipers, cylinders, and servos for Lotus and Volvo, so I imagine
something
will fit on our DMC-12s. Their website is www.stainlesssteelbrakes.com if
you're interested.
-Ace Underhill-
VIN 2860
AZ Lic. 8T8 MPH
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 14:19:24 -0700
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Dealership sign for sale
I have a line on an Original two-sided illuminated dealership sign - one
of the big hummers. Currently located in Maine. Price is $750 cash and
carry or you pay shipping. Email me if seriously interested and I will
hook you up with the seller.
James
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:53:40 -0600
From: Duke
Subject: DML: Temperature Switch Fix
I've read previously that some fellow DeLorean owners were having =
trouble with their cooling fans coming on right at the 220 degree mark. =
I may have found a fix to this. My DeLorean had been getting up to 220 =
degrees before my cooling fans would kick on so I bypassed the temp =
switch so the fans would run constant. I figured I would rather burn up =
a fan than an engine any day. Recently this had bothered me and had =
heard that Rob Grady sold a switch that would kick the fans on at 210 =
degrees. (By the way, I've had my cooling fans running constant for 3 =
years now with no problems) When I went to install the switch, I noticed =
that the existing switch (inserted in the cooling pipe) was at an angle. =
Just for the heck of it, I loosened the pipe and made it so that the =
new switch would face straight down. Now my cooling fans come on barely =
above the second mark (around 195 degrees I guess) A DEFINITE =
improvement from 220. Now I'm not sure if it was the better switch or =
the angle of the pipe (or both) but if you're still having this problem, =
you may want to try this fix.
Thanks,
Duke
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:51:25 EST
From: "Dave.Sontos(AT)CAGTAO"
Subject: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
Has anyone converted their R12 A/C system over to the new
enviornmentally safe R134a. I was just in the local K-Mart last night
and found a R134 conversion kit containing a bottle of ester base oil
and three bottles of R134 refrigerent. Kit contains all new fittings
that attach to your current fittings permanently. I've read in other
articles that you must purge the old mineral base oil from the system
first but the directions with the kit don't mention this. And you
don't need a license to buy it]]]] I'm going to try it on my
daughters car first since that one hasn't had a charge since we
bought it and replaced the engine.
Dave VIN 2573
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