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Friday, 24 May 1996 Volume 02 : Number 117
In this issue:
Re: My take on Parts/Services facilities
Scandinavian DMC's and tires
Turbos/Parts & Service Facilities
New Owner..
Keep it Positive!
Re: My take on Parts/Services facilities
Re: New Owner..
Re: DeLorean One
My Yokohama Tires
3 wire jumper
Cooling fan cycling.
Cleaning the stainless
Re: cleaning the stainless
Re[2]: cleaning the stainless
Re: Cooling fan cycling.
Re: Cleaning the stainless
DMC12 Forsale in Northern California (SF)
Trade your painted panels for my unpainted ones?
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From: jory bell, jory(AT)MIT.EDU
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: My take on Parts/Services facilities
>Since there have been several people variously condemning and praising
>the different parts/service facilities, I felt obligated to put in my
>$.02 worth. Jory, Bryan and Marv may say that, at least in this case, my
>estimate of it's worth is right on target. I say let every man/woman
>judge for him/herself.
>
>Here where I live in Arizona, there are NO dedicated DeLorean
>parts/service facilities. I do as much work on my DeLorean as I can by
>myself. I buy my parts locally (when possible) and from the DeLorean
>parts facility that offers me the greatest value for my dollar. In more
>cases than not, this has been DeLorean One. When a part I ordered from
>DeLorean One failed after 8 months of use, DeLorean One provided me a new
>one at no charge the NEXT DAY and told me how to get my car running in
>the interim. Additionally, while DeLorean One does charge more for some
>parts, MANY of their parts are the same price as other companies. In
>other cases, their prices are higher, but generally, the part is of
>better quality.
[schnip]
>As the owner of the greatest widget company in the world, you receive
>calls and faxes from the four corners of the earth, many with questions
>from people that are not your regular clients. Do you continue to answer
>their questions for free, explaining to them what is wrong with their
>widgets, and what needs to be done to fix them, while you know they are
>then buying their replacement parts from your competitors? Who suffers in
>this scenario? Why it's you, and your company. Not only in lost time
>answering questions for people for free who then spend their
>parts/service dollar with your competitiors, but YOUR REAL CLIENTS suffer
>also, in that you must devote less time to them to answer the questions
>of the freeloaders.
>
>To those that would say and write insulting and inaccurate comments about
>ANY DeLorean parts/service facility (or anyone in general), let me first
>say "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and if that's too
>religious for you, let me say that you should know ALL the facts before
>you start spouting off, repeating what may or may not be the truth.
James,
I appreciate your comments. I'd like to continue this discussion, without
invoking any sort of flame war ;)
Basically, I just find it draining to deal with D1. My aversion has
absolutely nothing to do with price.
Typically, I would have preferred to buy all my parts from DeLorean One. I
generally purchase all my land rover parts from a place clear across the
country that has slightly higher prices that its competitors, but far
batter service (and often better quality). While your point is reasonable
about people calling for free advice, part of what gets people to buy from
a business is their customer service attitude. Tim at Swedish did give me
a
few pointers to buy things locally, but I bought over a $1000 of parts
from
Swedish because Tim was a reasonable person who treated me well on the
phone and gave good technical advice. In contrast, *after* I had bought
the
complete cooling hose set (for greater than $300) from DeLorean One, the
guy on the phone was outright rude to me when I called to question the
placement of a particular hose. I guess I take issue with the argument
that
if DeLorean One was civil to its customers (whether making a purchase at
the moment or not) then they would be hurting their business. I have met
an
impressive number of DeLorean owners who would buy from DeLorean One, but
for their hostile demeanor, including myself. Some calls might be "wasted"
but it is more of an investment than a loss.
Your example of the guy in NY who had his car trailered to D1 may be
illuminating. He seems (to me) to represent the ideal D1 customer. He
clearly did not want to work on the car himself. He probably said D1
should
go over it and do whatever had to be done and he'd pay. This purposely
ignorant attitude (though not unreasonable for a segment of the market)
seems to be what D1 wants. When I talked to them, they were particularly
adverse to any technical discussion, whether or not I was buying a part.
*Any* questioning of their technical opinion/dictate was met with outright
hostility bordering on anger. They repeatedly suggested I should have
service performed by a mechanic regardless of the difficulty/nature of the
work. In contrast, Tim at Swedish generally agreed that I could perform
various servicing. However, in a couple cases he strongly suggested I go
to
a mechanic (and recommended one in my area) for certain work, and gave
good
reasons why. I took his advice. He was a real person and I was glad to
talk
to him and buy from him.
I guess that's about it. I wish D1 was more reasonable. I really liked
buying from Swedish, but now have to get parts elsewhere. I am sure I'll
buy from D1 again, given the small pool of vendors. I guess they are
depending on this captive market for their business.
- -jory
ps: I would like to pint out that I think discussion of parts places is
good. Everything I've said, I base on my personal experiences, and has
very
little to do with sin ;) I guess James' admonition to know ALL the facts
before contributing is a bit disquieting. How are we going to know all the
facts without open communication? I understand that people can have
differing experiences with a vendor, and I take this into account when I
hear criticism of praise. However, it isd the accumulation of such
feedback/experience/wisdom that is important, and that what this
discussion
is all about.
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From: Knut S Grimsrud, Knut_S_Grimsrud(AT)ccm.jf.intel.com
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Scandinavian DMC's and tires
Stian Birkeland, stbirk(AT)adh.no writes:
> 2) James Espey wrote that he uses Yokohama-tires. What is their
> name, number etc.?
I use Yokahama tires on my DMC as well. They are the AVS series
("intermediate" I think). I buy mine from the Tire Rack (mail order)
for substantial discount over local tire shop prices. The tires are
"V" rated and they come in the proper sizes. I have seen some
discussion here about people using improper tire sizes due to tire
availability, but I have encountered no such problems.
> 3) I`m interested to get in contact with Norwegian and Scandinavian
> DeLorean owners. E-mail me! Also, I noticed on the old DMC-homepage
> that a Swede by the name of Patrick Hanson was selling his DeLorean.
> I have tried to e-mail him, but his e-mail address is no longer
> valid.
I believe that a couple issues back, DeLorean World outlined some
activities of a Swedish chapter of the DOA. You might try contacting
the Swedish chapter.
Incidentally, I am Norwegian.
Hilsen,
Knut Grimsrud
DOA Chapter 41
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From: Marc.A.Levy(AT)att.com
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:12:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Turbos/Parts & Service Facilities
Michael Fischer Writes:
>Another item, what is involved in converting to twin turbo, do they
>simply slap on the turbo's, exhaust and intakes? Or do they drop the
>compression with new pistons, and/or alter the drive train?
I reply:
I have a Twin Turbo, it was already converted when I purchased it. It
had a
older kit, without the catalytic converters, or any emission control
devices.
I have since upgraded it, and had the O2 sensor, and the distributor
advance replaced. The original kit removed all of this.
The current kit that is available (through PJ Grady) includes the
catalytic
converters, and some vacuum switches to make the O2 sensor work with the
turbos. The only problem with this is when you take your foot off of the
gas, there are a few small backfires, even when you are not in gear (I am
working on a fix for this, I have not found any already done). There is
no
modification to the engine required, but the boost is limited to about
6lbs
to prevent damage to the engine. I am sure if you wanted to replace the
pistons and rings you may be able to get some more boost out of it safely.
I have a 5 speed, and I don't think there was any modification to the
drive
train, but the springs were cut to lower the car, and a spoiler was added
to
the back. Neither should be required, but I actually like the way the
car
looks lower. The wheels fit into the fender with equal space on all
sides.
This is how the car should have looked! The spoiler is no big deal, I
could take it or leave it.
I have a old catalog from a company that is out of business, I think they
were "Science Auto" or something like that- Based in Florida, They had a
single turbo kit. I have no other information on this, just wanted to
mention it if you wanted to check it out. This same company (had in
their
catalog) a mention of putting a Chevy 350 in a DeLorean. Has anyone seen
a
car with anything but a PRV6?
To comment on the small flame that has popped up in the past list, I did
not
see the original post that started it all.. What happened?
I received a small book from my local Delorean club, (We are NOT part of
the
DOA) talking about the conflict of interest between the DOA and D1. Also
included were the meeting notes where it looked like Ed B had quite a bit
to
say about non DOA clubs. As far as DOA goes, they should be involved
with
distributing as much information to its members as they can even if it
means
a loss of business to D1 or any other delorean shops. For this reason,
it
would seem that there is a conflict of interest. Just my opinion, I mean
no
insult to anyone. I am not even a member of DOA and as long as I have a
forum to discuss Deloreans (Like this list) then I have no need to be a
member of any club. It seems like the political hassle of the DOA is a
bigger con than the pro of being a member! Since it is "non-profit" why
should they care?
The discussion on the DeLorean shops raises a question, does anyone have
any
horror stories about any of these shops? Or is it just "They had a bad
attitude", or "I got the wrong part"?
I have been getting my parts and service from PJ Grady because of
geography.
Seems silly to ship my car around the world for service. I have had no
problems with Rob, in many cases he has spend a considerable amount of
time
on the phone with me before doing a repair myself to tell me what to do,
and
what to look for. He even sent me a bolt once at no charge! I spoke to
him
this morning, he claims to be booked for the next 3 months, he must be
doing
something right!
Marc
Marc.A.Levy(AT)lucent.com
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From: C.I.S.Computer Corporation, ciscorp(AT)primenet.com
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:20:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New Owner..
I am really excited to see a DeLorean forum like this on the net.
I never realized there was so much activity on this car. I just
purchased an '81 (VIN #2640) here in Scottsdale, AZ. for $10K.
The body is nearly perfect. The drive train is completely intact and
it exhibits no strange characteristics (starts the first time, etc.).
I am 26 years old and a computer business owner here in Phoenix. I have
been searching for a DMC since age 15 (long before I could afford it).
I found little available, in good shape, for less than $17,000. Therefore,
I am a little amazed at the car I purchased for $10K. The interior is
in near perfect shape and it seems to have only 'classic' DeLorean
electrical problems (noisy switches, etc.).
I have two questions:
1. Did I find an exceptional deal or a 'lemon'?
2. What is the best chemical for cleaning the stainless exterior?
Thanks in advance..
Chris P. Rabalais
Scottsdale, Arizona
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From: R KERMAN, rkerman(AT)idcnet.com
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:04:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Keep it Positive!
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To all Delorean Owners:
I would like all personal comments on the DMCNEWS to be positive in
nature from this moment forward. If not I will drop off and not come
back.
Now hear this.... Ed Bernstein at Delorean One is your best friend. You
may not know it right now, but it is true. He will advise you to do it
right the first time, everytime, and isnt that what any Delorean
deserves? If you cut corners on your Delorean then who are you kidding?
Ed has advided me a dozen times. Many times he offered me two options,
one with a new part and one with a possible fix using existing part.
I am not stupid and hope all Delorean owners are smart enough to decide
for themselves if a problem can be fixed "as is" or will require a new
part to fix it. THE CHOICE IS ALWAYS YOURS.
When I visited his shop last year he showed me how to "Pin" the ceiling
cloth back up until I decide to send them in for permanant repair. And
when I do I will still have the choice who and where and how much I pay
for the work.
As far as using "original" parts on your delorean, that too is your
choice. At least Delorean One is consistant, conciencious, concerned,
and Dedicated.
Thank you Ed and Millie for your Advice. You have helped to make my
Delorean #5581 my year around car of choice (except in the snow, as I
live in Wisconsin and also own a Caddilac). My Delorean runs and looks
awesome and I intend to keep it that way!!
I could not think of a better President for the Delorean Owners
Association than Ed. There is no conflict of interest, just interest,
and that can only help every member... if they want to be helped.
Robert D. Kerman rkerman(AT)electrolarm.com
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From: Marvin S.Sterling, marv930(AT)ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: My take on Parts/Services facilities
At 09:24 AM 5/22/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Since there have been several people variously condemning and praising
>the different parts/service facilities, I felt obligated to put in my
>$.02 worth. Jory, Bryan and Marv may say that, at least in this case, my
>estimate of it's worth is right on target. I say let every man/woman
>judge for him/herself.
>
>
>James "Mikasa" Espey
>"There is nothing more sad or glorious than generations changing hands..."
>
>
James, as an insurance broker/consultant I know the experience when I am
called, my brain is picked and my 40 years of expertise is appropriated
only to have the person go back to their "regular" broker to purchase
what I
have suggested, it is basically a theft of service. I have been guilty of
giving short shrift to many callers where their intent is blatantly
obvious.
I am not seeking a fight nor trying to create an argumentative
atmosphere. I
appreciate your efforts and wish that everyone would keep their opinions
about personalities to themselves ... those opinions are irrelevent (?),
the
exchange of information is what's important. Keep up the good work.
Regards,
Marv Sterling
"Trying to achieve success without stress is wishful thinking"
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From: Marvin S.Sterling, marv930(AT)ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:51:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New Owner..
At 07:20 PM 5/22/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I am really excited to see a DeLorean forum like this on the net.
>I never realized there was so much activity on this car. I just
>purchased an '81 (VIN #2640) here in Scottsdale, AZ. for $10K.
>The body is nearly perfect. The drive train is completely intact and
>it exhibits no strange characteristics (starts the first time, etc.).
>I am 26 years old and a computer business owner here in Phoenix. I have
>been searching for a DMC since age 15 (long before I could afford it).
>I found little available, in good shape, for less than $17,000. Therefore,
>I am a little amazed at the car I purchased for $10K. The interior is
>in near perfect shape and it seems to have only 'classic' DeLorean
>electrical problems (noisy switches, etc.).
>I have two questions:
>1. Did I find an exceptional deal or a 'lemon'?
>2. What is the best chemical for cleaning the stainless exterior?
>
>Thanks in advance..
>
>Chris P. Rabalais
>Scottsdale, Arizona
>
Chris, sounds like you got one heck of a "buy" As for cleaning the
stainless
I have been using Carbon-X available from Sporty's Pilot Shop ( no I'm
not a
pilot ) this is the cleaner that they use to clean commercial airliners,
cut
through any and all dirt, you can use a scotch brite medium pad to take
out
any minor scratches. The number for Sporty's is 1800-543-8633 ... the
item
number is 7542T and costs $14.95 for a gallon that mixes at about 10:1 in
solution.
Best of luck,
Marv Sterling
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From: Roy Knyrim, cooper(AT)cyberverse.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:51:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: DeLorean One
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I have to agree with James Espey. I've sat by and heard
people
bag on Delorean One and Ed also. I have nothing but good things to say
about
them. After having my car screwed up by other shops(who I won't mention
here
) I took my car to Delorean One. Ed is one of the friendliest and outgoing
people I've ever known. What you've got to understand(and I've seen this
first hand by spending a lot of time there) is that he gets about a
million
calls a day from kids and people who don't even own a delorean.. This
severely limits his time with paying customers. Also, the place is
incredibly busy. I stop by at least once a month and there is never less
than 15 or so cars in there.Ed personally oversees all the work done there
and if he seems brisk on the phone, its because he has a lot of work to be
done. How would you like it if you wanted your car done by a certain time
and they couldn't get to it because he was on the phone all day with
people
who wanted free catalogs because they liked the "Back To The Future" car
and
didn't even own one. Which brings me to the next point of people griping
about not being able to get a Delorean One catalog(I even saw one person
post here asking for a VIN # so they could get a catalog.I kept quiet
then,
but don't you think that Ed has a list of all the #'s of the cars he's
worked on. If someone other than the owner called with the same # he would
instantly know and not send a catalog).Those catalogs cost a couple bucks
each to print and additional money to mail them. Do you blame him for not
wanting to send one to a person who doesn't even own a Delorean?Lastly,
when
I first took my car to them, it had a lot of parts in it that were not
made
for a Delorean. After having the car redone I've never had another problem
with it.I find it hard to believe that any person lucky enough to own one
(and if you think about how many people there are in the world, there
aren't
many of us) would not want to pay a little extra to make sure that their
car
was the best it could possibly be and have it treated the way it deserves
to
be.Ed Bernstein genuinly loves the car and every one that comes in there
is
treated like it was one of his own.
Roy Knyrim
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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:11:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: My Yokohama Tires
Someone asked about my Yokohama tires, they've been on about a week and
I'm very happy with them so far. The car seems to handle MUCH better now
- - really sticks in the corner great! Thanks to all who suggested them!
195/60HR14 Yokohama AVS U PLUS 4 - I paid $96.95 each
235/60HR15 Yokohama AVS U PLUS 4 - I paid $122.95 each
Mounting, balancing, and tax were all extra, of course.
I'm driving it to LA for the weekend so I'll have a better idea next week
on how I like them.
James
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From: Frederick Embden, NOTES.FEMBDEN(AT)A50VM1.trg.nynex.COM
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:31:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 3 wire jumper
Could someone e-mail me the 3 wire jumper modification thats being
discussed.
(This was a factory bulletin ) I still have all relays intact. Thanks
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From: Eric J.Hennebury, aj532(AT)freenet.toronto.on.ca
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Cooling fan cycling.
Anyone else feel it's getting a little warm in here? Please,
let's try and avoid flame fests... it's so unnecessary. Remember that if
your comments are directed at a specific person, there's always direct
e-mail!
Anyways, now for a tech question... When I put mu a/c on, the air
blows cold, but my cooling fans cycle constantly at about 5 second
intervals. This seems to occur for as long as the a/c is left on. Is
this normal? It sure doesn't seem like it should be normal. Anyone had
this problem. Any Fanzilla owners out there care to share their
experiences?
Another thing that I've noticed is that when I apply the brakes
when the car is idling, the pedal slowly sinks to the floor. I never
lose braking ability, just pressure. My brake fluid is topped up, and
maintains its level (no leaking). I'm thinking vacuum leak (although
that's really just a guess, as I'm not that experienced with power
assisted master cylinders. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
By the way, I fixed my a/c mode selector switch vacuum leak the
other day... 5 minutes to disassemble and clean the switch... 5 hours
removing the stereo to gain access and re-install it afterwards! In
retrospect, I think I wouldn't even bother removing the stereo. The
extra room is nice, but the extra aggravation wasn't worth it!
L8R
Eric
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From: C.I.S.Computer Corporation, ciscorp(AT)primenet.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 16:01:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Cleaning the stainless
At 09:51 AM 5/23/96 -0400, dmcnews(AT)world.std.com wrote:
>At 07:20 PM 5/22/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>2. What is the best chemical for cleaning the stainless exterior?
>>
>>Thanks in advance..
>>
>>Chris P. Rabalais
>>Scottsdale, Arizona
>>
>Chris, sounds like you got one heck of a "buy" As for cleaning the stainless
>I have been using Carbon-X available from Sporty's Pilot Shop ( no I'm not a
>pilot ) this is the cleaner that they use to clean commercial airliners, cut
>through any and all dirt, you can use a scotch brite medium pad to take out
>any minor scratches. The number for Sporty's is 1800-543-8633 ... the item
>number is 7542T and costs $14.95 for a gallon that mixes at about 10:1 in
>solution.
>Best of luck,
>Marv Sterling
>
>
Thanks for the response..
I was wondering if there are any other solutions that I can use until
I receive the Carbon-X...
Chris
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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:21:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: cleaning the stainless
>I was wondering if there are any other solutions that I can use until
>I receive the Carbon-X...
>
>Chris
As far as the "care and feeding" of the stainless, everyone has a
different way. Generally, I wash the car once a week with warm soapy
water, drying it quickly so the water doesn't dry on it. I usually buy a
Stainless Steel polish in a can called "Super Hi Brite". I was able to
get it from a local restaurant supply house, but now I'm buying a 3M
Stainless Polish fom a place here in town called "Smart and Final". About
$4 a can. Just spray it on and rub/buff (witht the grain) to a shine. I
like it because I can also use it on the black areas like the bumpers,
rub strips, louvres, etc. Makes it look good.
Let's see if we can get together sometime next week and check out each
other's cars!
James
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From: Don_Gowler-CFPO01(AT)email.mot.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:40:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re[2]: cleaning the stainless
>I was wondering if there are any other solutions that I can use until
>I receive the Carbon-X...
>
>Chris
Another good stainless steel and overall plastic/rubber/vinyl
cleaner/polisher
is Turtle Wax's Clear Guard.
Regards, The Silver Fox
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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:41:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cooling fan cycling.
> Anyways, now for a tech question... When I put mu a/c on, the air
>blows cold, but my cooling fans cycle constantly at about 5 second
>intervals. This seems to occur for as long as the a/c is left on. Is
>this normal? It sure doesn't seem like it should be normal. Anyone had
>this problem. Any Fanzilla owners out there care to share their
>experiences?
I had meaning to ask this question myself...here in the desert, I've been
running the A/C since about March. I have often "timed" the interval
between clicks of the relay and noticed the same as Eric, about 5 seconds
with the A/C on. Anyone know if this is normal or not? I'd also like to
hear from Fanzilla owners - this means you, Knut! ;)
James
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From: Marvin S.Sterling, marv930(AT)ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 02:20:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cleaning the stainless
>>At 07:20 PM 5/22/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>>2. What is the best chemical for cleaning the stainless exterior?
>>I have been using Carbon-X available from Sporty's Pilot Shop ( no I'm not a
>>pilot ) this is the cleaner that they use to clean commercial airliners, cut
>> SNIP
>>Best of luck,
>>Marv Sterling
>>
>>
>Thanks for the response..
>I was wondering if there are any other solutions that I can use until
>I receive the Carbon-X...
>
>Chris
>
>
__________________divider
Chris, use any car wash that contains no wax or silicone.
Marv
Marv Sterling
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From: Jory Bell, jory(AT)MIT.EDU
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 04:28:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DMC12 Forsale in Northern California (SF)
I am contemplating the sale of my current DeLorean.
Grey 5-speed late 1981, unpainted stainless
Just passed CA SMOG
Body in good condition
New waterpump and all new cooling hoses
Completely new brake system (replaced master cylinder, rebuilt all
callipers, new pads)
New injectors, warmup regulator, tuneup (plug wires, distributor cap,
rotor)
Some interior wear (cracked binnacle, faded dash, worn seats, drooping
headliner)
A previous owner replaced the radio... also installed electrical upgrades,
metal coolant overflow bottle and stainless braided clutch line,
aftermarket third light mounted on the rear louvre.
Probably fairly high miles (odometer reads ~20K, but is either inaccurate
or rolled over) but according to the mechanic, the engine is very strong.
I've driven it about 2K so far this year.
Excellent daily driver.
Price: $13K
(could consider delivery in the continental US)
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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:29:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Trade your painted panels for my unpainted ones?
Own a painted DeLorean? Wish it was the original stainless? Consider
this...I would be interested in trading a complete set of excellent
condition DeLorean body panels and front and rear fascias for your set of
the same in painted condition. Obviously, logistics would have to be
worked out, but if this interests you, please respond to me via email at
mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
James Espey
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