DeLorean Mailing List - 5/7/97
dmcnews-digest Wednesday, 7 May 1997 Volume 02 : Number 239
In this issue:
Air Filter
VIN 10006
Parts
Re: Items for sale
Brakes & Porsche engineering
DMC grill logo
DMC Oil filters
Legend Industries' prototype
Steering wheel
dmc mailing list tech manual
Dave's - Brakes Pt 2 /cooling
Re: Legend Industries' prototype
Re: DMC Oil filters
DMC event notice OR/WA
seat cover information UPDATE
Chicago owners
Re: Starting Problem
Removing the radio
Reconnection?
Cutting up the car (was Reconnection?)
Yellow DMC; loud horns
Right side windows off-track
Mike Griese Re: Starting Problem
STARTING PROBLEM
HISSING NOISE
tune up
lifter noise
Brakes
Door Locks
2 questions !
Changing a water pump?
Steering wheel finale
Re: Items for sale
Re: Yellow DMC; loud horns
Re: 2 questions ! (1 answer)
Re: Door Locks
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From: David Swingle Date: Sat, 3 May 97 23:26:24
-0600
Subject: Air Filter
More information
>Bora450(AT)aol.com wrote:
>Air filters that work:
>Volvo #B28F
>Crossland #0421115
>Renault #24002697545-1180 (Jeep/Eagle dealer)
>Air filters that do not work:
>Purolator #AF-4275
>Claus Groth
AC part No A815C is listed in their catalog, but is apparently out of
production. This cross referenced to a WIX 46112 which fits just fine.
Dave Swingle
dswingle(AT)enteract.com
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From: gt-roadracer(AT)juno.com (GUY T AVELLON) Date: Sun, 04 May 1997
08:52:07 EDT
Subject: VIN 10006
To James Espey, regarding VIN numbers...sorry, I missed that one; mine was
made in
December of 81, is titled an 82 and is 10006. I purchased it from Mark
DeLorean in
Ohio when I lived there. He had it custom painted a red candy colored blend
for car
shows in 82 as they were going to offer this as an option. Also, it has twin
turbo chargers,
the first from now Island Turbo. Consequently, the side has an air brushed
silver stripe
starting as a point at the nose and widening towards the tail with the words
"TWIN TURBO"
air brushed in the stripe just under the rear window. It has been a real
attention-getter as well
as being rather quick. I've had the car since July of 84 and have driven it to all
coasts and in
the 91 CANNONBALL to raise money for cancer research for kids. Guy
Avellon, Illinois
PS, it is still regestered in Ohio under ' ON2 IT ' as the show car doesn't have
any catalytic
converters...but who cares!
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From: "Jos Candel"
Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 13:33:02 +0200
Subject: Parts
I'm in a final stage of purchasing a DeLorean... It's a nice car but the cover of
the steering column is missing (including the ignition key etc.)
It can only be started by holding 2 wires together. Where can I find such parts
?
Please help !
Jos Candel
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From: Starman
Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 14:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Items for sale
Mark,
Ooooh...I want details. Waht are these goodies you have?
Mike
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From: Mpeak(AT)aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 21:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Brakes & Porsche
engineering
In an article I read in "Delorean Gold Portfolio" entitled "Delorean:Living
the Dream," it states on p.121, 3rd column from left, "...it's all vented disc
brakes provide outstanding fade free stopping capabilities." This is a
European article, but as far as I know, all Deloreans came with the same, solid
rotor. Can anybody verify whether this article is accurate or not? (I
think it may be just a type-o)
In another article, which I can't seem to find the page number at the moment,
it discussed adaptions to the suspension made by Porsche on European
model(s). I will pass on the page number once I find it again, but does anybody
know about high-performance suspension modifications performed by
Porsche?
Matt Peak
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From: Stalin
Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 18:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DMC grill logo
hey, does anyone have an extra "dmc" logo from the front grill. new they
want like $50!
rande
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From: James Senft
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:16:28 -0400
Subject: DMC Oil filters
In many places I have seen the following oil filters listed for the Delorean:
Puroflux LS410A, Perolator PER17, Fram PH16, and AC PF13.
I bought the AC PF13 today, and it did not fit!. The overall diameter appears
about 1/8" too wide to clear whatever the doohicky is that protrudes next to
the Oil filter. Anyone else have problems with the PF13???
Tnanks! Jim
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From: Mpeak(AT)aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 21:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Legend Industries'
prototype
Although I already had the original Delorean Portfolio, I finally got around
to ordering "Delorean Gold Portfolio" from Motorbooks International. I
mainly ordered it because I was hoping there would be information about the
factory turbo systems by Legend Industries, which there was (although not
very much). Besides the UNBELIEVABLE performance (0-60 in about 5 sec,
150+
MPH), it is also an incrediably beautiful system. After reading about it, my
thoughts were confirmed that this is more than just a bolt-on system.
Serious engineering work went into this system and, as one article points out,
everything about the engine was replaced except the bottom end and the
camshafts. I was hoping somebody out there would know more about these
engines such as what EXACTLY about the engine was replaced (I suspect
pistons, but what else?), how much PSI the system operates on (I suspect
around 12), and any other information. Does any body know what happened
to
all the engineering work that went into this system? Warren and Stephen:
Did KAPAC obtain the rights to this system when they bought out DMC and
if
so, do you (or would you) plan to make it available again? If KAPAC didn't
obtain the design, who did?
Matt Peak
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From: David Swingle Date: Sun, 4 May 97 21:10:52
-0600
Subject: Steering wheel
Rob Hook wrote:
>Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:16:08 -0400
>Subject: RE: New Owner / De- Lurker
>Dave,
>I don't know about the regulations in your area but that steering wheel
would be highly illegal.
Luckily there are no specific vehicle inspections where I live, but if this thing
isn't illegal it ought to be. I'm still "grabbing air" once in a while - not a good
feeling in a car that already feels pretty strange.
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From: "Guy V. Boutet" Date: Sun, 4 May 1997
21:55:41 -0400
Subject: dmc mailing list tech manual
Hello all,
Since a few months, I've copied (downloaded) every mailing list from Vol 1 #
001 till Vol 2 # 238. I opened several "Microsoft Word" documents titled as
"Mechanics", "A/C", "Brakes", "Interior" and so on...... Then I highlight the
text of the subjects on the Mailing List and I click on the "copy" option. After
this I open the concerned Word document and I paste the text. The result is
that if I want to review what DMCers found as a solution for a said problem, I
open the distinct document and ... I read it. I am actually planning to print all
of those documents in order for me to get a kind of a technical manual in
addition to the official one I already have.
I would like to know any comment on my way of working. Sorry for my poor
english (French canadian)...
Guy V. Boutet
Quebec (Canada)
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From: David Swingle Date: Sun, 4 May 97 21:10:48
-0600
Subject: Dave's - Brakes Pt 2 /cooling
To correct the low pedal mentioned yesterday, I readjusted and loc-tited the
stud in the power brake booster. Worked great - brakes are back to normal. I
didn't get to the clutch fluid yet (I ran out of brake fluid and the places that
sell the Castrol stuff aren't open on Sunday).
I did perform the "Radio Shack Taillight Upgrade" (ref DML #125 and #220)
and they now work a lot better. I feel a lot better about driving the car now
that I have brake lights. I opened up all the access panels under the hood
(trunk?) and did a quick inspection, other than general griminess and a small
coolant leak at one of those 32 hose clamps things look OK. I am getting tired
of being whacked by the hood when I knock the broomstick out- maybe I'll
have to break down and get those struts after all.
Today's question: What is the recommended procedure for DRAINING the
cooling system? I presume the main drain is simply undoing the lower (pass.
side) radiator hose, but does anyone routinely drain the engine as well? The
block drain on the driver side seems almost unreachable without removing
the exhaust system. This seems to be one thing not covered in the tech
manuals. . . .
To be continued. . .
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From: James Espey
Date: Sun, 4 May 97 20:17:04 -0000
Subject: Re: Legend Industries' prototype
>Does any body know what happened to
>all the engineering work that went into this system? Warren and Stephen:
DDid KAPAC obtain the rights to this system when they bought out DMC and
if so, do you (or would you) plan to make it available again? If KAPAC didn't
obtain the design, who did?
The Jan or December 84 issue of Road and Track has a brief article about the
car. One of editors was invited to test drive the car after the fall of DMC and
death of the project. That article says that DMC's fall led to the fall of legend,
and that the designs were sold to another company (formed by Legend people)
in the event that production of the DeLorean was resumed.
Of course, I believe that Stephen still is trying to sell #502 for the current
owner. What else comes with the car is anyone's guess.
James
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From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 22:05:09 +0000
Subject: Re: DMC Oil filters
>In many places I have seen the following oil filters listed for the Delorean:
Puroflux LS410A, Perolator PER17, Fram PH16, and AC PF13.
>I bought the AC PF13 today, and it did not fit!. The overall diameter appears
about 1/8" too wide to clear whatever the doohicky is that protrudes next to
the Oil filter. Anyone else have problems with the PF13???
Go buy your oil filters from your local Volvo dealer. They fit, but it is a tight
squeeze, and you get a new seal washer for the drain plug with each one!
Chris
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From: Knut S Grimsrud Date: Mon,
05 May 97 08:04:00 PDT
Subject: DMC event notice OR/WA
The DMC enthusiasts in the Oregon area are sponsoring a road tour of the
Mount St. Helens national monument in southern Washington. If you are
interested in joining the group for a scenic drive, check out the event details
on the "Club" tab of the updated DMC FAQ (version 2.4 accessible directly
from the DMCNEWS web site) under the "events calendar" hyperlink.
Knut Grimsrud
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From: James Espey
Date: Mon, 5 May 97 08:14:41 -0000
Subject: seat cover information UPDATE
As of Monday AM, I have two people interested in gray covers and one
person interested in black covers. If you emailed me and I have not
responded, I probably did not receive your email EMAIL ME at
espey(AT)dmcnews.com!
Cutoff for orders is NEXT Monday, May 12th. On Monday all interested
parties will be emailed with the exact cost (now about $575 based on the above
orders) and I've got to have your check by Friday, May 16th. Delivery will be
be about two weeks (these are all made-to-order) and will be shipped when I
get back from Belfast at the end of May.
For those who missed it, this is the initial information that I posted last
week...
>The Delorean seats have a "slip-on" leather and vinyl covering for seat
bottom and back, while the vinyl covered rear panel of the seats is screwed
on. On most cars, the rear panel is in good shape, but 15 years of heat,
moisture, and wear have taken their toll on the bottom and back. I recently
had my seats recovered and the diference in smell and appearance is amazing
- it makes the interior look and smell new.
>As I mentioned earlier, the color is dead on, and while the grain pattern on
the vinyl is close, it's not exact. I enter my DeLorean in the DOA concours,
and I expect to have no problem with these. For those that are interested, last
tie I looked, the DOA concours rules are available for download at their web
site.
>Though the covers do "slip on", installation is best done by someone with
upholstery experience because it's not like the slip on covers from
Target/Wal-Mart - these are fitted tight and use hog rings. My upholstery
shop charged $100 to install them on my seats.
>We also made a new shift boot for my car as well. With a reinforced metal
frame, it improved the appearance of my car and cured the annoying "floppy"
shift boot.
>In either black or grey, the cost for a PAIR of seat covers (seat bottom and seat
back, rear screw-on panel is NOT included) is $590 plus shipping. Shift boots
with the reinforced frame will run about $70. Depending on the number of
actual orders for seat covers and shift boots, the price **will** be lower, but I
need to know how many of each color are needed. Delivery time is about
three weeks from the time of order. I intend to place the order before leaving
for EuroFest...
>If you are seriously interested in purchasing a set of seat covers for your
DeLorean, email me at espey(AT)dmcnews.com with the information
below>and I will contact you with more details and payment information:
>********************************
>Name:
>Address:
>City/State/ZIP:
>Color (black or grey):
>Rear screw-on cover needed (yes or no)? Shift boot wanted (yes or no)?
>*********************************
James Espey
Moderator, DMC-News
www.dmcnews.com
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From: "Michael M. Stark" Date: Mon, 05 May 1997
11:15:16 -0500
Subject: Chicago owners
Just bought my DeLorean and I'm looking for other owners in Chicago. I
know there's someone near Catalpa and Ravenswood. Look me up if you
come across this post.
Michael Stark
#20103
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From: Mike Griese
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:09:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Starting Problem
Classification:
This sounds like the cold start injector is not working. There is a seventh
injector in the Bosch fuel injection system for starting the engine cold. It
injects extra fuel into the intake until a temperature sensor shuts it off. The
injector is on the left (drivers) side of the engine near the oil fill cap. It has a
cable plugged into the top of it. Of course, it could also be the fuel
accumulator.
Mike Griese
Internet: magriese(AT)vnet.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2432
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From: Mike Griese
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:04:19 -0400
Subject: Removing the radio
Classification:
The radio in the DeLorean is supported by the nuts on the tuning/volume
shafts and a bolt at the rear. To remove the radio, remove the nuts, then the
bolt at the rear. I have found that taking out the A/C vents above the radio
makes this much easier. The radio will fit through the the hole for the vents.
Mike Griese
Internet: magriese(AT)vnet.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2432
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From: Jameel Ahed
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 12:02:59 -0500
Subject: Reconnection?
Dear DML,
After I installed my new radio... (WHICH WAS VERY DIFFICULT!) I put in
the new type of radios... without the knobs. I had to take my dremel and cut
the metal to make a big rectangle... It took me about 5 hours.... I DID IT
PERFECTLY. :-) After all of that work, I put the rubber boots on the inside of
the ventilation ducts... but how do you put the boot on the vents when you
put those in? Jameel
- --
- -------------------------------------------------- Jameel Ahed owner of CyberTECH
Industries Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions HOMEPAGE:
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/ VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed(AT)uiuc.edu
- --------------------------------------------------
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From: James Espey
Date: Mon, 5 May 97 10:26:54 -0000
Subject: Cutting up the car (was Reconnection?)
>After I installed my new radio... (WHICH WAS VERY DIFFICULT!) I put in
the new type of radios... without the knobs. I had to take my dremel and cut
the metal to make a big rectangle... It took me about 5
If anyone else out there intends to hack up their radio cutout to install a
newer stereo, let me know. I have been looking for an "unmolested"
mounting plate and I will trade you mine which has been cut to accept a
newer stereo.
James
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From: thomas mccoy Date: Mon, 5 May 1997
13:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Yellow DMC; loud horns
A yellow DMC was mentioned in the previous issue. If anyone could obtain
photos, it would be greatly appreciated. I've heard that yellow is very
stunning on a De Lorean!
On the subject of horns, I got tired of friends laughing at the stock DMC
horns, and since these are a part that can easily be returned to stock condition,
I unbolted them and installed an air horn system! One day I encouuntered
another De Lorean in traffic. He saluted me by honking, and when I honked
back he must have been REALLY surprised! They are LOUD!
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From: thomas mccoy Date: Mon, 5 May 1997
13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Right side windows off-track
Has anyone else seen as many right side windows off-track as I have? On the
cars with this problem, the driver's window is always okay! Strange...
Oh, by the way, I don't have a problem with people wanting to race me. Here
in Yuppyland, the social elite are too busy maintaining their EGO to race an
"outdated" car like mine! They just pass me right by, getting 1 mile per gallon
in their depreciating "sport-utes". I used to get annoyed until I realized their
car will be worthless when its as old as mine! De Loreans are far superior to
any new car if they can survive the TEST OF TIME!!!!!!!!!!
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From: "Brandon S. Moody" Date: Mon, 05 May 97
05:27:17 PDT
Subject: Mike Griese Re: Starting Problem
>Classification:
>This sounds like the cold start injector is not working. There is a seventh
injector in the Bosch fuel injection system for starting the engine cold. It
injects extra fuel into the intake until a temperature sensor shuts it off. The
injector is on the left (drivers) side of the engine near the oil fill cap. It has a
cable plugged into the top of it. Of course, it could also be the fuel
accumulator.
>Mike Griese
>Internet: magriese(AT)vnet.ibm.com
>voice: (507)253-1853
>fax: (507)253-2432
OK, I will check for this thing. And where might this "fuel accumulator" be
located on the engine ? Sorry if I seem a little slow, I'm just used to working
on big V-8 engines with good ole' carburetors ! :-)
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From: michael richard pack Date: Mon, 5 May
1997 20:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: STARTING PROBLEM
Hello
I developed a starting problem today.
I replaced the fuelpump, and filter. The accumulator is on the way. The car
started fine, and after I cleaned the micro switch and throttle assembly the car
ran like it was new. Untill today. After I shut it off, and tried to restart it about
5 minutes later it would hesitate, and spudder. Then NOTHING. The car sat
there in the parking lot for about 1 hour. When I tried to restart it it barely
started, and ran ruff before it died. The car is now at my DMC tech. Thank
God for AAA.
Any Ideas what happened?
Sincerely
Mike
Vin #3713
Sept 81
Auto
Black
13,021miles
Maryland
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From: michael richard pack Date: Tue, 6 May 1997
22:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: HISSING NOISE
Hello
There is a "HISSING" coming from the heater/cool air///fan speed area. Is
this the mode switch, or is there something else?
Thanks
Mike
PS. Does anyone have the parts that I listed before?
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From: "Michael M. Stark" Date: Tue, 06 May 1997
13:51:56 -0500
Subject: tune up
I want to give my '83 a tune-up. Exactly what's involved tuning a DeLorean
and exactly what parts do I need to buy. I'm a new owner so I don't even
know what kind of plugs to buy yet.
Michael Stark
#20103
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From: "Michael M. Stark" Date: Tue, 06 May 1997
11:32:56 -0500
Subject: lifter noise
My new '83 has a good deal of lifter noise. The car doesn't sound too much
different from my VW Jetta. I'd love to get rid of this. What's involved? Will
a certain oil/additive combo work? I'm not sure what grade of oil is in there
now but I noticed the Technical Manual calls for 20W/50 in weather above 50
degrees. That supprised me. That's what I put in my Harley. I'll give it an oil
change with the 20W/50 oil and maybe I'll answer my own question.
Michael Stark
#20103
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From: "Michael M. Stark" Date: Tue, 06 May 1997
11:24:32 -0500
Subject: Brakes
Just had my brakes looked at on my new '83 and found out I had 4 bad
calipers and at least 1 warped rotor. I have rebuild kits and pads on order for
the calipers and plan on having all 4 rotors turned. The parking brake is also
jammed. Does anyone have any suggestion of what to look out for or
problems I might encounter. Also, a friend recommended switching to
silicone fluid at this point since everything will be empty. I guess DOT absorbs
water and a sitting car's calipers will do exactly what they did on mine. Has
anyone else out there switched to silicone? One more thing: What's the
proper bleeding sequence?
Michael Stark
#20103
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From: "Brandon S. Moody" Date: Tue, 06 May 97
07:37:56 PDT
Subject: Door Locks
I have a problem with the door locks. I have traced the problem down to the
little black box that sits behind the passenger seat thats held down with 2
screws. Inside there are several components (resistors, capacitors, etc.... One of
the components is completely burned to a point of no recognition. DMC in
Houston does not have this part. does anyone have an extra ?? OR, does
anyone have a schematic of this component ? OR ANY OTHER IDEAS ?
For reference. The part that is burned is the little diode/resistor located on the
edge of the board where all the wires enter. It sits perpendicular to the wires.
It was 2 leads. ?????
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From: "Brandon S. Moody" Date: Tue, 06 May 97
08:42:50 PDT
Subject: 2 questions !
1) What should the Idle RPM be ?
2) What is the little gizzmo attached to the top
of the engine valve cover on the passenger side
with a couple of hoses and 2 wires attached to it.
Its makes lots of noise when I turn the key on. Just curious to what it is and if
it should be making this noise ?
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From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Wed, 07 May
1997 08:24:05 -0400
Subject: Changing a water pump?
Hi all,
Has anyone changed their water pump? Mine's leaking near the back of the
pulley and I have to change it ASAP. Is there a part # that I can order from a
local auto place? What kind of pitfalls are there that I should know about?
I'm hoping to fix this over the weekend because it's getting a lot worse.
Mike
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From: David Swingle Date: Tue, 6 May 97 22:31:55
-0600
Subject: Steering wheel finale
Today I picked up (bought) a steering wheel to replace the "airplane" one that
I have - and the elusive clutch reservoir cap. Don't EVER lose this cap - they
seem to be essentially unobtainable throught normal channels. Thanks to
Bryan Pearce (the Stainless Steel Frame guy) for the assistance from his parts
car, and to everyone else who had suggestions or offers.
Dave Swingle
dswingle(AT)enteract.com
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From: Marc1956(AT)aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Items for sale
Mike,
Goodies are as follows:
Preliminary Parts Catalog
Technical Owners Guide
Technical Information manual
Preliminary Suggested Warranty Repair Times Service Bulletins
DMC Parts and Accessories Pricing Guide
Price for this complete set $325.00 plus shipping
Also, two hardbound manuals which have tabbed sections like, Clutch, Body,
Fuel Tank, Electrical Systems and Instruments, Brakes, Wheels, Tyres, etc.
These are bound in a silver binding and I will accept $150.00 for the set.
The showroom brochure has a black linen cover with a gloss black DeLorean
on
the front and back. It measures 8.5 by 11 inches and is full of color photos. It
also has a fold out section. $75.00 plus postage
The jacket is a silver satin jacket with black waist band and cuffs. The zipper is
black and there are two square pockets on the lower front with flaps and snap
closures. There is a DeLorean Owners Association emblem on the left chest
with a red outline. The size is XL and the condition is great/excellent. $150.00
plus shipping
Please contact me if you have any further interest.
Thank you
Marc
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Wed, 07 May
1997 03:48:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Yellow DMC; loud horns
thomas mccoy wrote:
>snip
>On the subject of horns, I got tired of friends laughing at the stock DMC -------
------------------------------------
Hi - I confuse them even more - installed a set of Mercedes horns. I love it
when they look for the Mercedes and can't find it. Marv Sterling
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From: "Michael E. Gaines" Date: Wed, 07 May
1997 09:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: 2 questions ! (1 answer)
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
>1) What should the Idle RPM be ?
Mine's rock solid at 7500 RPMs which I think is right where it should be.
Mike
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From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 06:40:45 +0000
Subject: Re: Door Locks
Brandon wrote,
(snip)
>One of the components is completely
>burned to a point of no recognition. DMC in Houston does not have this
part. does anyone have an extra ?? OR, does anyone have a schematic of this
component ? OR ANY OTHER IDEAS ?
>For reference. The part that is burned is the little diode/resistor located on
the edge of the board where all the wires enter. It sits perpendicular to the
wires. It was 2 leads. ?????
The diagram I have shows that to be a "thermal trip", but it doesn't show any
electrical values. I replaced the whole unit with a "LockZilla" unit a year ago
and have no complaints. P.J. Grady handles these units, I think. If he doesn't,
I'll try to find their phone # for you.
Chris
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