DeLorean Mailing List - 5/22/97
dmcnews-digest Thursday, May 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 243
In this issue:
DML: DMC-News, the 'zine
DML: New Directory Uploaded
DML: A/C Panel Illumination
DML: re:convention
Re: DML: A/C Panel Illumination
DML: Re: Right hand drive
DML: backfire and spluttering
DML: Delorean Models
DML: Re: blocked oil channels
DML: Re: Right hand drive
DML: Looking to purchase
DML: RE: Tool requirementss? What tool requirements?
DML: RE: backfire and spluttering
DML: RE: Re: blocked oil channels
DML: RE: Tool requirementss? What tool requirements?
DML: Re: Oil drain plug
DML: RE: Re: blocked oil channels
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 06:22:23 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: DMC-News, the 'zine
Several people have emailed me asking about the 'zine. In the interest of
providing current news in a timely manner, I am holding this issue until
after I return from Belfast. With the earliest and first coverage of the Belfast
event, DMC-News shows how electronic publishing beats traditional media
in both timeliness and cost.
Incidentally, here is what's inside the first issue of DMC-News...
- - Full report of EuroFest
- - Third brake light installation how-to - - Renting your DeLorean for Fun
and Profit - Cooling Fan Relay Cure - - Worldwide Club Listings
The **second** issue of the 'zine will feature the much requested "Readers
Rides" section. Send me a picture of your DeLorean either digitally (GIF or
JPEG) or snail mail me a photo and I'll scan it and send it back.
James Espey
Vacationing Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 11:02:55 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: New Directory Uploaded
The latest DeLorean Owners Directory (5/19/97) with 62 entries has been
uploaded to the DMC-News Lounge at:
http://www.dmcnews.com/lounge/newslounge.html
If you have not submitted your contact information, you will not be able to
access the directory. Info on the directory is at:
http://www.dmcnews.com/directory.html
People who submitted info in the past week or so should have theeir
passwords later today or tomorrow...sorry for the delay!
James Espey
Vacationing Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: GunkelWWW@aol.com
Subject: DML: A/C Panel Illumination
>From: ChrisAU79@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:28:31 -0500
>Maybe it's time to run this tip again since there are many new subscribers. If
you are tired of your A/C lights being on all the time and the heat damage
this can do to your radio, here's a simple fix. Remove the access panel behind
the passenger seat exposing the relays. Facing the rear you have a bottom row
and a top row. Count three from the left on the top row and remove it. Save
it ( it's the same as some of the others and can be used as a spare ). Get two
1/4" spade connectors and a 2 1/2" piece of good wire. Put a spade connector
on each end of the wire. One end goes in the bottom slot ( closest to you ) and
the other goes in the slot to the right. Before you put it all back together start
the car ( no illumination ) and then turn on your lights ( illumination ).
When you have assured yourself that everything works, button it back up.
There is a whole electrical diagram that will tell you why this works, but it
doesn't really matter. The usual disclaimer applies.
Now I have another tip/fix...
I make the other fix and noticed that the A/C illum is even on with the
parking lights and that the illumination is very bright and heating my car,
too.
So I put a standard relay instead of the original in. When you start the car ( no
illumination ) and then turn on your lights ( illumination ), BUT it lights
darker because of the red box (5 ohm resistor)
which should dim the A/C illum lights and when you turn on your parking
lights
the illumination is also off ( like original )!
original relay standard relay
I30/51 I30 <- to A/C illumination
85___ ___86 85___ ___86 <- switching from 87a to 87 at light
on
___87a <- 12V from ignition-switch
___ ___
87 87 <- 12V(10V)
ignition-switch from red box (5 ohm
resistor)
Naturally, all the normal disclaimers apply.
Markus
GunkelWWW.AOL.COM germany
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MODERATOR'S NOTE: Be advised that depending on the font used by your
mailer, text aligned with space characters often does not align correctly when
viewed with someone else's mailer font. With my mailer the above relay
diagram looks like gibberish, but you can take a look at your car's wiring
diagram to get a clearer picture of what's going on.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:37:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aaronhusak@juno.com
Date:Mon (AARON HUSAK), 19 May 1997@world.std.com Subject: DML:
re:convention
>Sorry for the length here, but it was necessary to get this all said. Anyone
who might be interested in attending this (hopeful) event should contact me
via email within the next month. I would need to have at least two full
months to organize everything and a sufficient number of commited
attendees to turn it into a reality.
>Thanks!
>Chase Clark
>GullWinged@aol.co,
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>As a non-owner I don't think I'd attend, but the idea of a low cost
event strikes a chord with me. As a Lincoln and Continental Owner's Club
member I've watched old rich, retired guys choose the fanciest hotels in town
for club events. I usually end up staying at a Motel 6. The savings could be
better spent on the cars.
Cheap and Proud, Aaron
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 01:24:41 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON Subject: Re: DML: A/C
Panel Illumination
>Get two 1/4" spade connectors and a 2 1/2" piece of good wire. Put a spade
connector on each end of the wire. One end goes in the bottom slot ( closest to
you ) and the other goes in the slot to the right. Before you put it all back
together start the car ( no illumination ) and then turn on your lights (
illumination )
Install a 10 ohm resistor in the 2 1/2" wire and the lights will burn at the
same intensity as the rest of the instrument panel.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:56:22 +1000
From: Nick Storr Subject: DML: Re:
Right hand drive
At 10:28 AM 5/19/97 -0400, Andy Vousden wrote:
>Subject: DML Did DMC ever make a right hand drive delorean? > As
Deloreans were made in Ireland were there any right hand drive cars made as
I've not seen any.
Hi Andy.
I believe there were a very small number of factory Right Hand Drive models.
Certainly the intention was to sell them in RHD form, and some prototypes
made, but I think these were sold when the factory closed down. I have heard
there were a few made as company cars for the Ireland-based executives to
drive around...
I could be wrong, but this is what I've heard.
Nick Storr
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:31:19 +0000
From: "Arne Hofmann" Subject: DML: backfire and
spluttering
Hello,
thanks for your help concerning the backfire and spluttering problem with
my D.(after replacing one camshaft and one lifter) Unfortunatly the following
happened:
My mechanic reopend the engine to check the correct placement of the
camshaft chain. He saw, that on the side with the defective camshaft, was no
oil. It looks like, that one of the oilchannels to the camshaft is blocked.
I guess this was the reason for the defect of the first camshaft.
So what to do now ?
I already spent about $1500 to reach the point where we are now. (new
camshaft, new lifter.....) My mechanics told me, that it is not possible to find
out, where an oilchannel is blocked, to clean it. He suggested to replace the
whole engine (the engine is only about 15000 miles old !!)
When I imagine how much work is left after the engine problem (interior,
steering, automatic - transmission......) I really start to loose my enthusiasm
for the car......................
frustrated ARNE
Beta LAYOUT GmbH
http://www.pcb-pool.com
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:07:34 -0400 (EDT) From: WINGD2@aol.com
Subject: DML: Delorean Models
Here's an update on the Delorean models we're having made: I spoke with
Art at American Models today and he informed me that he was in the process
of making the new mold for the models rear louvers. Once this is complete
he will start production on the kits. He says that based on where he's at in the
process right now, it looks like the original estimated deliveries of June are
going to slip to July. I will contact him again in a few weeks to update further
progress. As I gain additional info I will post it to this list.
Thanks, Marty
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:16:32 -0400
From: Mike Substelny Subject: DML: Re:
blocked oil channels
Arne said:
>"My mechanic . . . saw, that on the side with the defective camshaft, was no
oil. It looks like, that one of the oil channels to the camshaft is blocked."
I am sorry to hear about your unfortunate problem, Arne. I wish I could help
you, but I really don't know how to fix this. Does anyone know of a solvent
that will open a clogged oil channel in an aluminum engine?
Other owners might benefit from this story. It is a lot easier to prevent this
kind of problem than it is to repair it. Regular oil chinges (even when the car
is rarely driven) should help to reduce the risk of oil channel blockage. This
might also be an argument in favor of synthetic oil, which flows better than
conventional oil. I have heard that synthetic oil tends to remove various
deposits (this can actually be detrimental in some old engines where deposits
keep leaks plugged up) but that won't help in this case.
Besides, it may not even be true. There is sure no shortage of wild claims for
the benefits of synthetic oil!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: ARoqueta@aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: Right hand drive
In reference to how many right- hand drive delorean models were made, I
believe it was approximately 8. I got my information from the book "Future
Classics". I have a scanned picture of one from the book, should anyone be
interested. Anyways, just trying to help.
AROQUETA@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 20 May 97 22:32:14 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" Subject: DML: Looking to
purchase
I'm looking to purchase another Delorean. But, I'm wanting to find one that
either has an engine that is beyond repair (blown up) or no engine at all. If
anyone know of such
a car, let me know.
bsmoody@kih.net
- -Brandon
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I'm looking for one too as I have an extra engine on
a stand in my garage. knut_s_grimsrud@ccm.jf.intel.com
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:11:22 -0400
From: Rob Hook
Subject: DML: RE: Tool requirementss? What tool requirements?
Mike,
As I'm sure you've noticed by now, the special tool they were talking about is
used to remove the oil drain plug from the oil pan. The plug is sort of like an
allen headed affair but has an 8mm (~5/16") square hole as opposed to a hex
shaped one. Just out of curiosity, what did your car have?
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:39:05 -0400
From: Rob Hook
Subject: DML: RE: backfire and spluttering
Arne,
There IS another possibility. If the camshat thrust plate is incorrect, bent or
missing (?!) the camshaft will move all the way forward or all the way
backward during use. This causes the oil passage to mis-align with the groove
in the bearing at the rear (front?) of the camshaft. I would crank the engine
with this camshaft completely removed and see if there is any oil coming
through the hole in the first place. I haven't been inside the DeLorean engine
yet but this is not all too rare a problem with other cars. I had a '65 Mustang
with this exact problem.
Your mechanic is not lying when he says finding a blockage somewhere else
in the engine is difficult. However, it is NOT impossible. With a diagram of
the oil system and an air gun, it is possible. I think it is much more likely that
it is a mechanical blockage as opposed to some gunk somewhere.
I've bought some extremely gunked-up engines (including a '56 Chevy that
NEVER had an oil filter at all!) and I've never seen one get plugged that way.
I just thought of another possibility while reading this. It's possible that the
oil is fed to the camsharft from the crank. If the wrong main bearing was used
or installed improperly, the holes on it will not line up just like the camshaft
could.
All of these are expensive to check if you can't do it yourself but it's certainly
cheaper than buying a new engine. Especially if the mechanic is charging his
special 'DeLorean' rate.
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:41:58 -0400
From: Rob Hook
Subject: DML: RE: Re: blocked oil channels
I'd sent another message about this earlier but it looks like my mail package
lost it.
Actually, I was thinking about this last night. I seriously doubt that there is an
oil blockage from sludge on an engine with only 15,000 miles on it. I've had
some engines that were pretty abused before I got them and I've never had a
sludge blockage. I even had a '56 Chevy that had NO OIL FILTER, EVER.
What I think is more likely is:
1. The rear or front main bearing is the wrong one or is incorrectly installed.
Usually, the camshaft gets it's oil from the rear crankshaft bearing. If the
bearing is the wrong one, it may not have the extra hole(s) that send the oil to
the camshaft. The bearing may also have just spun during use which means
the holes might not line up properly. Actually, this is probably more likely in
the DeLorean than other cars because of the two overhead cams. If a bearing
from a normal single camshaft engine were installed, it would only have two
holes. One for the oil to come into the crank bearing and another for one of
the camshafts. The other camshaft would stay dry.
2. The camshaft bearing is installed incorrectly or is the wrong one. This is
very similar to the above.
I had problem #1 with one of my cars ('65 Mustang) and it wasn't too hard to
figure out. With a diagram of the oil flow and an air gun, it is not too hard to
find a plugged oil passage. I'm willing to bet that it's a mechanical blockage as
opposed to sludge though. If your mechanic is not willing to do this and
you're not mechanically inclined, I don't know what you're going to do.
These are certainly not hard to check but it could get time consuming. If the
mechanic already has the engine torn down to see the camshaft, just have
him remove it and check the bearing.
It sounds like your mechanic is just not willing to perform this work and
wants to charge you big bucks to install an engine. I wish you lived near me as
I'd help you check these out.
- --Rob Hook
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:45:47 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines" Subject: DML: RE:
Tool requirementss? What tool requirements?
Rob Hook wrote:
>Mike,
>As I'm sure you've noticed by now, the special tool they were
talking > about is used to remove the oil drain plug from the oil pan.
The plug > is sort of like an allen headed affair but has an 8mm (~5/16")
square > hole as opposed to a hex shaped one. Just out of curiosity, what did >
your car have?
>--Rob Hook
Rob,
I had an 8mm square plug. This same plug was used in the engine block to
drain the coolant from the passenger side. I got the ratchet adapter because I
get better leverage and grip from the handle than an allen wrench type.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:40:18 -0400
From: Mike Substelny Subject: DML: Re: Oil
drain plug
>As I'm sure you've noticed by now, the special tool they were talking about
is used to remove the oil drain plug from the oil pan. Just out of
curiosity, what did your car have?
My car has an ordinary hex head plug. It uses a normal oil plug gasket and, to
my knowledge, has never experienced any leaks or other problems. This plug
was on my car when I purchased it.
It appears to be the same hex plug that is on my father's '89 Eagle Premier.
Whenever I change my oil I change his too, and I use the same metric socket
for both. The only difference is the oil filter (the Premier can accept some
brands of filter that will not fit the DeLorean).
Since both cars were purchased used (from totally separate private
individuals) it is possible that they were modified by previous owners.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:41:50 +0000
From: James Nichols Subject: DML: RE: Re:
blocked oil channels
Refering to Arne's blocked oil passage:
On page C:11:01 of the Workshop manual, the oil passages do not appear to
pass through either main bearing, but from the filter, along to the top of the
block and down to each main bearing, and up through the heads to the rear
(back of the car) camshaft bearing, through the center of the cam to the other
camshaft bearings and to the rocker shaft bearings.
The parts manual does not show any camshaft bearings, but does have a
thrust plate that appears to fit in a groove in the cam. An incorrect head
gasket could also block the oil flow. From where you are, pulling the head
wouldn't be that hard and it would be much easier to isolate your blockage
with the head off.
Jim # 6884
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