DeLorean Mailing List - 5/28/97
dmcnews-digest Wednesday, May 28 1997 Volume 02 : Number 245
In this issue:
Re: DML: RE: * Water pump OR My week in Hell
DML: re:* Water pump OR My week in Hell
DML: New D-1 Web Site
DML: DeLorean Maintenance
DML: Low Voltage Alternator
DML: Water as coolant
DML: RE: Tires and Blower
Re: DML: RE: * Water pump OR My week in Hell
DML: RE: Tires and Blower
DML: 1981 DeLorean with Automatic Transmission problems
Re: DML: New D-1 Web Site
DML: Cost of a D
DML: Re: Cost of a D
DML: Re: Cost of a D
DML: Re: Cost of a D
DML: Re: Cost of a D
DML: Billy! How much?
DML: Re: Cost of a D
DML: '81 DMC For Sale
DML: New international DeLorean club!
DML: RE: Cost of a D
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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:29:18 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON Subject: Re: DML: RE:
* Water pump OR My week in Hell
>>The idle problem you are having sounds like it could be a vacuum leak.
DDDid you replace the intake manifold o-rings?
>Absolutely. I replaced and checked anything that could be causing it. I have
this weekend to check it again so I will. I replaced all the washers, made sure
all the fuel injectors were put back on tightly. It's not a serious problem but
I'm sure that a bad mixture could cause problems down the line.
>Mike
You may want to check the seal around the auxilary air pipe where it goes
into the the mixture control unit. If you didn't remove it during the work
you did you most certainly disrupted it. You mentioned a stripped bolt
holding the throttle spool cover. That bolt also is one of the two that hold the
inter inlet manifold to the inlet manifold and could also be the source of a
vacume leak. Use a can of carburator cleaner and, with the engine running,
spray around suspect areas for the vacume leak. The engine will speed up a
bit when the cleaner is sucked into the intake. The bolt in question is a 7mm
and it's eaisely repaired with a 7mm heli-coil kit.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Sun, 25 May 97 19:47:50 -0600
From: David Swingle Subject: DML: re:* Water
pump OR My week in Hell
You'll probably get this comment a few times over, but .. . .
Starman WROTE
>Subject: DML: * Water pump OR My week in Hell Hi all,
>[snip] I threw plain water into the system because I didn't want to waste $8 of
coolant every time I needed to drain the system if necessary. The car gets to
220 degrees in about 4 minutes. Note that the system is mainly full of water
now. Is this normal? Will regular coolant keep the temp lower longer? I'm
not too worried since the fans are keeping the temp low.
This is definitely NOT a good idea. Running pure water in an aluminum
engine will cause your coolant to shortly turn into aluminum paste. Get the
coolant in there ASAP. $8 is much cheaper then a $5000+ engine. By the way,
if you are draining the system to work on things, there's no problem with
putting the same coolant back in, assuming you catch it when you drain it
and that it is of a reasonable (<1 year) age.
Using real anti-freeze also raises the boiling point of the coolant, so although
it may not run cooler, it will resist boiling over better.
Dave Swingle
dswingle@enteract.com
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Date: Sun, 25 May 97 19:51:52 -0600
From: David Swingle Subject: DML: New D-1 Web
Site
New Web Site
Check out www.deloreanone.com
Dave Swingle
dswingle@enteract.com
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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:43:57 -0500
From: "Travis Graham" Subject: DML: DeLorean
Maintenance
I recently read in a P.J. Grady ad that a good way to keep the = speedometer
cable working is to occasionally remove the left front tire = and lubricate the
angle drive cable. If anyone else has any suggestions = about anything I could
possibly do to keep my car in top condition I = would greatly appreciate
hearing them.Thanks. Travis - tgraham999@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: Low Voltage Alternator
Philip,
It is normal for all alternators' voltages to be lower at idle than at driving
speeds. Alternators should produce about 11-12 volts at idle and do not
produce the 14-15 volts that is needed to operate the systems electrical system
and recharge the battery until about 1500-2000 RPM's. You can fix this by
putting a smaller spindle on the alternator which will make it spin faster but
may also wear the alternator out faster (not reccommended). You can fix the
headlight dimming problems by installing an alternator rated at a higher
amperage.
Matt Peak
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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Mpeak@aol.com
Subject: DML: Water as coolant
Mike (Starman),
It's not a good idea to use water only as form of coolant. You won't have a
problem with overheating since water is a better dissapant of heat than
coolant and because your fans are working. However, coolant keeps your
water from boiling, which it most definately is doing at 220 degrees, and
prevents corrosion of you aluminum cooling system. I guess your saving $8
now but corrosion could cause you have to buy a $300 radiator and/or $6000
engine in the future.
Matt Peak
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 09:20:29 -0400 (EDT) From: GunkelWWW@aol.com
Subject: DML: RE: Tires and Blower
>I have 2 problems:
>1) I put 2 new Firestones on the rear. Now then car tends to wander from
side to side on the freeway??????
>2) My fan (interior blower) quits on speeds 3 and 4 and I smell something
burning. I turn it to 1 or 2 for 15 secs or so and then it works fine?????????
In the fan circuit are 3 resistors for fan speed 1, 2, 3(near the blower motor)
and 2 relays for fan speed 3 and 4. I think the resistors are okay because fan
speed 1 and 2 are working.
The power for the fan speed 3 and 4 comes from a thermal circuit breaker.
Check the condition of the relays for the blower, the thermal circuit breaker
and the
wires of this units in the electric compartment (behind pass. seat) and tell us
where you smell something burning
(near blower/fanspeed switch/electric compartment...). You can also
disconnect the wires on the blower motor and then you can check if the relays
for fan speed 3 and 4 works (clicks) when you switch to position 3 and 4.
I hope this helps...
Markus
GunkelWWW@AOL.COM
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:19:42 -0500
From: Steve Brodsky Subject: Re: DML: RE: *
Water pump OR My week in Hell
BRUCE BENSON wrote:
>of a vacume leak. Use a can of carburator cleaner and, with the engine
running, spray around suspect areas for the vacume leak. The engine will
speed up a bit when the cleaner is sucked into the intake. The bolt in question
is a 7mm and it's eaisely repaired with a 7mm heli-coil kit.
>Bruce Benson
Having broken off seized bolts several times when replacing the water pump
and other block mounted accessories, I've taken to replacing the "soft" metric
bolts with grade 8, 1/4-20 replacements. However, you must insert helicoils
for the proper thread. I would not suggest drilling and retapping the alum
block as the threads will eventually deteriorate. Also use of antiseize on the
threads with the correct torque will help.
steve brodsky #10688
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Date: Mon, 26 May 97 12:48:29 MDT
From: "Jeff Phillips, x4300"
Subject: DML: RE: Tires and Blower
>I have 2 problems:
>1) I put 2 new Firestones on the rear. Now then car tends to wander from
side to side on the freeway??????
The only thing I can think of that would cause this is if you have bias-ply tires
mixed with radial tires. The bias-ply are more rigid and don't allow for a side
to side movement while the radial do. This causes a back and forth yaw to the
car.
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:58:13 -0700
From: The Olsons
Subject: DML: 1981 DeLorean with Automatic Transmission problems
I have a 1981 Delorean with an automatic. I am having trouble with the =
automatic transmission=20
governor/computer/modulator assembly (part # 104218). Does anybody out =
there know where I can get an=20
electrical schematic and/ or wiring diagram for this thing? The parts ca= talog
and workshop manual only show it=20 as an assembly without any detail.
The solenoids in the transmission ar= e good, they just aren=92t getting
the=20 right signals. Thanks in advance. Dave Olson usolsons@televar.com
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Gowler-
CFPO01@world.std.com, Don_Gowler-CFPO01@email.mot.com Subject: Re:
DML: New D-1 Web Site
Message authorized by:
: dswingle@enteract.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL
Boy does that story need updating - wait till Steven Wynne sees that first
claim
'---largest supply of parts in the world---'
______________________________________________________
_____________________ ____
>Subject: DML: New D-1 Web Site
>From: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL Date:
5/26/97 11:38 AM
>New Web Site
>Check out www.deloreanone.com
>Dave Swingle
>dswingle@enteract.com
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave
Tavres@world.std.com, dave@vena.com Subject: DML: Cost of a D
What would an '81 D. in pretty good condition go for?
Dave
dave@vena.com
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:04:50 -0700
From: Sharon Oberman Subject: DML: Re:
Cost of a D
Dave_Tavres@world.std.com, dave@vena.com wrote: >
WWhat would an '81 D. in pretty good condition go for? > Dave
>dave@vena.com
Well, according to "Ed" at D1 it should cost 27,500 back in April, 30,000 right
now, 37,500 on January 1, 1998 and approx. 45,000 for around the end of 1999.
I don't know about the rest of you but do you really think anyone ( or should
I say the "market") will pay upwards of 45G for a rebuilt refurbished D? I
think "Ed" is getting ahead of himself. Then again he claims that the D's he
sells are completely redone and just like new?
What's everyone's opinion on "Ed" and the D1 people. Has anyone had any
good or bad dealings with them?
ADO
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:07:09 -0500
From: bjr@wwa.com (Billy J. Runyan)
Subject: DML: Re: Cost of a D
>What would an '81 D. in pretty good condition go for? > Dave
>dave@vena.com
The condition counts alot. I've seen 'em from 12 to 24k depending on
condition and miles for a stock model unpainted. I'm looking to sell mine if
anyone is interested.
Stay tuned,
Billy J. Runyan
bjr@wwa.com
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:10:42 -0700
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: DML: Re: Cost of a D
Dave, Sharon, et.al.;
THe very best answer on the cost of an "81 D" is -- it depends. Seriously, it
does. How badly does the seller want to sell? What do you mean by a "good"
D.
Currently, Nissan has contracted with an auto rebuilder to refurish a couple
of hundred 240Z's. In that quantity, the cost for the refurbished Z is $25,000.
Likewise, there are refurbished D's out there for about that price. What you
get is a heck of a lot more than if you bought it from a private party. On the
other hand, it is probably more than most private sales would bring.
So -- it depends!
As to the "Ed" discussion, no comment other than to say that the answer you
might get is the same as the one on price -- it depends!
Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:26:32 -0700
From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Subject: DML: Re:
Cost of a D
Dave, Tavres@world.std.com, dave@vena.com wrote: >
WWhat would an '81 D. in pretty good condition go for? > Dave
>dave@vena.com
- -------------------- divider ---------------- In really good condition between 15,000
to 17,500, this would be one that had been maintained and cared for that you
could simply get in and drive w/o worry or having to make up for years of
neglect. As they say if a deal sounds too good to be true .... Of course you may
always run into the distress sale ... there is one in last Sunday's NY Times that
says it is a distress sale I think that he wand 15,500 for it.
Regards,
Marv Sterling
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: FearRacer@aol.com
Subject: DML: Billy! How much?
Hi!
Billy, how much do you want to sell your DeLorean for?
Thanks!
Supratik Lahiri
Homepage: The Wings of the DeLorean... E-Mail: fearracer@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 03:16:17 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: DML: Re: Cost of a D
>Well, according to "Ed" at D1 it should cost 27,500 back in April, 30,000 right
now, 37,500 on January 1, 1998 and approx. 45,000 for around the end of 1999.
>I don't know about the rest of you but do you really think anyone (
or >should I say the "market") will pay upwards of 45G for a rebuilt
rrefurbished D? I think "Ed" is getting ahead of himself. Then again he claims
that the D's he sells are completely redone and just like new?
>What's everyone's opinion on "Ed" and the D1 people. Has anyone had any
good or bad dealings with them?
>ADO
Re: market price & ED
So far I have had no real problems with ED. I found him very knowledgable
about the DMC and very helpful in my own interest. (bringing a 23K mile 81)
up to
day to day driving snuff. I paid 15K for my 81-DMC # 5729. It is pristine but
suffers from stale-Itis, has original every thing right down to tires, hoses,
even the inspection notes and paperwork.
I had always liked the car and had the Stainless Steel Dream book
purchasedwhen the book was new. As a prestige symbol I think the DMC will
increase in value dramatically over the next few years. As for any given DMC,
the actual market value will depend on the specific DMC and the particular
buyer. As to 45K being to high? I don't think so, at least here in california. The
DMC is so rear and the cost of other prestige types like the Diablo, Cobra,
Ferrari 308 etc....so high, I find it a bit puzzeling that the DMC cost is as low as
it is.
In the Building where my company has its offices, there is resurved parking
right along the curb at the Front doors. And of course all the CEO's and VP's
park in these spaces which are 5 times the normal lot monthly fees. In the
pole position (spot 1) a medical supply sales VP parks his jet black Ferrari, in #
3 is a show quality Z160 Bright Yellow w/Black leather interior, in #4 a white
Pantera, in #5 another black Ferrari F40 and #6 Countach 5000
(Red)....OOOOPs' forgot #2, well thats my Stainless DMC. I can't tell you how
many people stop and have a look, even walk around the DMC and chat
about it! most have never seen a DMC in the metal....It is interesting what
onlookers chat about when just standing there looking at the DMC. It's worth
mentioning that not a single other car begins to draw the attention the DMC
does.
$45K bucks...sure why not for all that kind of attention!
Lee Seiler
lee@ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:47:20 -0600 (MDT) From: "Patrick J. Hawke"
Subject: DML: '81 DMC For Sale
1981 DeLorean: 26K, Ready to Drive Home, $16,500 Available in SouthWest
Idaho; 208-884-0422 Contact Me for more Information; Phone or Email
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Date: Wed, 28 May 97 13:37:56 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: New international DeLorean club!
Several people emailed me about my mention of the new owners club that is
now forming. I have received some more information on the "DeLorean
Motor Club", and encourage everyone with more than a casual interest in the
DeLorean to check them out.
www.delorean.net
DeLorean Motor Club is being put together by some long-time DeLorean
owners who see a need that is not being filled by the DOA. I believe that
competition is healthy and the real winners will be the owners and
enthusiasts.
I just joined this new club and hope to have some PDF files with more
information within the next week or so...
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Barnes@world.std.com,
Dave x1547@world.std.com (ONEB) Subject: DML: RE: Cost of a D
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You've got to be crazy on these DMC prices. I agree this is one of the most
under-valued cars around, but 30K is dreaming.
I've followed the prices of the DMC's offered here in the San Francisco Bay
Area and they average is around 15K. This is for a low mileage, SS body in
excellent shape. I've seen them range from 10K to 22K. The ones on the
lots/dealerships (there have been 7 that I looked at over the last
18 months) have been there several months before they were sold or
removed. One classic car dealer out here won't consign the DMC's because
of the slow turn-around.
I don't understand why this car has such a supressed value. Since I own a
D I would like to see the value increase. When I bought the car 4 years ago,
there was an article by Harrah's that rated the DMC as their best investment
value. They predicted the DMC would be worth 30K in five years
(1998). That's a year away and the D's are selling for the same price I payed
four years ago.
Dave B
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Subject: DML: Re: Cost of a D
>Well, according to "Ed" at D1 it should cost 27,500 back in April, 30,000 right
now, 37,500 on January 1, 1998 and approx. 45,000 for around the end of 1999.
>I don't know about the rest of you but do you really think anyone (
or >should I say the "market") will pay upwards of 45G for a rebuilt
rrefurbished D? I think "Ed" is getting ahead of himself. Then again he claims
that the D's he sells are completely redone and just like new?
>What's everyone's opinion on "Ed" and the D1 people. Has anyone had any
good or bad dealings with them?
>ADO
Re: market price & ED
So far I have had no real problems with ED. I found him very knowledgable
about the DMC and very helpful in my own interest. (bringing a 23K mile 81)
up to
day to day driving snuff. I paid 15K for my 81-DMC # 5729. It is pristine but
suffers from stale-Itis, has original every thing right down to tires, hoses,
even the inspection notes and paperwork.
I had always liked the car and had the Stainless Steel Dream book
purchasedwhen the book was new. As a prestige symbol I think the DMC will
increase in value dramatically over the next few years. As for any given DMC,
the actual market value will depend on the specific DMC and the particular
buyer. As to 45K being to high? I don't think so, at least here in california. The
DMC is so rear and the cost of other prestige types like the Diablo, Cobra,
Ferrari 308 etc....so high, I find it a bit puzzeling that the DMC cost is as low as
it is.
In the Building where my company has its offices, there is resurved parking
right along the curb at the Front doors. And of course all the CEO's and VP's
park in these spaces which are 5 times the normal lot monthly fees. In the
pole position (spot 1) a medical supply sales VP parks his jet black Ferrari, in #
3 is a show quality Z160 Bright Yellow w/Black leather interior, in #4 a white
Pantera, in #5 another black Ferrari F40 and #6 Countach 5000
(Red)....OOOOPs' forgot #2, well thats my Stainless DMC. I can't tell you how
many people stop and have a look, even walk around the DMC and chat
about it! most have never seen a DMC in the metal....It is interesting what
onlookers chat about when just standing there looking at the DMC. It's worth
mentioning that not a single other car begins to draw the attention the DMC
does.
$45K bucks...sure why not for all that kind of attention!
Lee Seiler
lee@ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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