DeLorean Mailing List - 5/29/97
dmcnews-digest Thursday, May 29 1997 Volume 02 : Number 246
In this issue:
DML: Wind OOOOOOOOOOO
DML: DeLorean Values
DML: Re: Cost of a D
DML: EUROFEST 1997 REPORT
DML: YELLOW/RED DELOREAN PHOTOS
DML: Re: Cost of a D
DML: Late 81 5 speed For Sale
DML: Last call!
DML: a few questions answered at EuroFest
DML: My EuroFest Report
re: DML: Wind OOOOOOOOOOO
Re: DML: Wind OOOOOOOOOOO
DML: RE: Wind OOOOOOOOOOO
DML: Oil and Tires.
DML: DeLoreans in '98?
DML: New DMCs, huh?
DML: Rust spot on body
DML: ADMIN NOTE: Guest Moderator / Directory / Clubs
DML: first time buyer
DML: Happy Birthday to VIN 1529
DML: Starting problems, idle problems too
Re: DML: Oil and Tires.
Re: DML: New DMCs, huh?
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:44:21 -0400
From: Richard Strecker
Subject: DML: Wind OOOOOOOOOOO
My project for the week is to re-assemble the passenger side door. The
window somehow jumped the track and the plastic elbow at the drive
gearbox is broken.
Two questions:
1. Is there a replacement for the plastic elbow cable guide available?
Where??
2. Any hints on adjusting the window guide rails. Maybe I should say
realigning the rails as I ended up losening them in order to get the window
back on the track. Now the window won't seat right. I'm sure that trial &
error will EVENTUALLY work but if anyone has been through this exercise
please share your wisdom.
Thanks,
Richard
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:59:06 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON
Subject: DML: DeLorean Values
I don't think anyone discussing present and future DeLorean values has been
following the special interest car market very closely. I wouldn't call it a
depressed market but I would call it a realistic market. There are very clean
308 Ferrari's for under $30,000, if you look hard enough. The current $16 to
$18,000 for a clean, unabused DeLorean is a pretty healthy price in the current
market. As rare as they seem, there are still a lot of DeLoreans around
compared to many other exotic cars. They've done a good job holding their
value along side other marquees, in fact better than many, but they'll never
surpass the likes of Ferrari or Lamborgini.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:35:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Phillip124@aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: Cost of a D
Everyone asks me what I payed for the car. I always say, "oh, I don't want to
tell what I payed". In a way, I make it sound like I payed a lot of money for the
car. I always try to give the impression that the Deloreans are expensive and
exotic, right up with the Lamborghini Countachs. I am doing this to give the
Deloreans a good, respectable reputation so that maybe they will be worth
those high prices in the future. I wonder how badly it damages the
reputation/market, and resale value when we tell them the true price that
Deloreans are selling for? But if the cars are cheap, and that is known, maybe
more of them will sell therefore making less and less of them available. This
issue has two sides doesn't it...
Phillip
Vin # 7134
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:53:16 -0700
From: Scott Mueller
Subject: DML: EUROFEST 1997 REPORT
The following is the article I wrote for the DeLorean Owners Association web
page. If you would like to see the photos that go with it, you can view it on
the DOA web page.
EUROFEST 97 TRIP SUMMARY
The Eurofest '97 held in Dunmurry (Belfast) Ireland was the first DeLorean
related event that I have participated in since my DeLorean was purchased
new in October 1981. The Eurofest was good fun. The citizens of Ireland were
without exception the most polite and good natured people that I have ever
met. The way that the media portrays Northern Ireland does not do it justice.
We have the same if not greater problems in the United States.
The weather was fantastic, unseasonably warm, California shirt sleeve
weather. The food was very good, much better than what I had when I visited
England and Wales several years ago.
I arrived in Belfast Thursday afternoon May 22, 1997, after traveling for over
16 hours from San Francisco, California. I met a fellow DeLorean enthusiast
(Michael Pack) while waiting for my connecting flight in London. We quickly
became friends and suspect that he will be a friend for life. #1 We caught a cab
from the airport to the Forte Crest Hotel in Dunmurry, our base for the
weekend. The cab driver (Alister Cheyne 0802.811000) was truly an
ambassador for his country. The Forte Crest is a wonderful Hotel. It was the
first time I have every stayed in a Hotel where I felt that I was at home. Terry
the nightman quickly became our friend and has offered to take my family
and myself to the lakes down south if we should have the opportunity to
visit again. That offer in itself is enough to encourage me to plan a future
vacation to Ireland. Everywhere we went we were welcomed with opened
arms.
Thursday evening, the registration reception was held at the Hotel, an
interview of John DeLorean was shown and the participants were given there
registration packages. Michael Pack, James Espey , Chris Rabalais and I were
fortunate enough to gain access to an apartment (Cool Moyne House) on the
top floor overlooking the factory site. Mr. McMillian welcomed us into his
home so we could take in a birdseye view of the DeLorean Factory site. The
four of us then gained access to the Factory Site for a quick tour. The Security
Chief, Jimmy French, was very hospitable. As we began to walk around the
test track, the local police arrived. #2 What a treat, we all piled into their car
and took a wild ride around the track. After several laps around the track, we
visited with the officers for at least an hour. We were invited to tour the
police station if we had time.
Friday morning we were off to Tyrone Crystal in Dungannon. The tour was
very interesting and the Crystal was very beautiful. Tyrone Crystal is a place
where you could easily purchase gifts for people that have everything. John
Truscott #3 and Osamu Shimohara (President, DeLorean Club of Japan) both
were able to learn the art of cutting Crystal. The end results of their efforts
may have guaranteed them the opportunity of a second career. When we
returned to the Hotel, the Technical Seminar was held. The keynote speaker
was Mike Loesby, the Director of Engineering. #4 Mr. Loesby made a
presentation detailing the construction of the factory and the DeLorean. Mr.
Joseph Murray, who worked at the factory from the time it was an open field
until shortly before its closing shared his extensive knowledge and
innumerable stories with us. We then had the products fair, where many
interesting collectable items were available. This was also a great opportunity
to visit with all, learn many interesting facts and hear many fascinating
stories.
We began Saturday by riding the luxury coach to the DeLorean (Montupet)
Factory. We all had the opportunity to take a Helicopter flight #5 over the
factory grounds, ride in a DeLorean and tour the site. Riding in a DeLorean
around the track was an experience that I shall never forget. The level of
excitement is beyond description. A good example of the hospitality and
camaraderie present is how at least three people offered there Helicopter
tickets to Steve, a US Coast Guard member who was on temporary
assignment in Dunmurry. I had met Steve in the Hotel lounge, when I found
out that he had no family with him, and a whole weekend without any plans,
I invited him to take the tour with us.
Steve also was given rides in the DeLorean and took the tour. I believe that
when we meet a member of the Armed Services traveling alone, we are
obligated to welcome and include them to thank them for there service.
The Concours competition and Motor show was held Saturday afternoon. It
was a real treat for me to see so many DeLoreans in one place. In fact there
even was a red one which I road around the track in. #6 I really appreciate the
owners of the DeLoreans that brought their cars and shared them with us.
Later that evening, we had the Eurofest Banquet, raffle, auction and awards
ceremony. #7 The highlight of the banquet for me was when Joseph Murray
gave the youngest member of the DeLorean Owners Association a DeLorean
Christmas card that Joseph won in the raffle. The young man was so
overcome with joy that he was speechless. Later that evening I had the chance
to speak with Joseph and Eileen Murray. Joseph told me that the young man
would enjoy having the DeLorean Christmas card much longer than he
would. Eileen Murray told me that Joseph has always been a very generous
and compassionate man. I visited with Joseph and Eileen Murray until the
wee hours of Sunday morning and I hope that I will have the opportunity to
visit with them again.
Sunday morning, I had to leave early to catch my flight home. Unfortunately
I was unable to schedule more time for the trip, but I will not make that
mistake again. My family and I will be in Snowmass this coming labor day
and I look forward to meeting my fellow car enthusiasts again.
This trip will never be forgotten by Scott Mueller.
Happy Motoring.
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:30:35 -0700
From: Scott Mueller Subject: DML:
YELLOW/RED DELOREAN PHOTOS
A WHILE BACK, I POSTED A MESSAGE THAT IF YOU WANTED A COPY
OF THE PHOTO I TOOK OF A YELLOW DELOREAN AT THE PACIFIC
COAST DREAM MACHINES IN HALF MOON BAY CALIFORNIA, YOU
SHOULD SEND A REQUEST TO ME DIRECTLY.
UNFORTUNATELY, I CHANGED ISP'S AND HAVE LOST YOUR
REQUESTS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE YELLOW DELOREAN, SEND YOUR
REQUEST DIRECTLY TO
SAMUELLE@PACBELL.NET
I NOW HAVE A PHOTO OF A RED DELOREAN THAT I TOOK IN BELFAST
LAST WEEKEND, IT ALSO IS AVAILABLE.
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:30:56 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines" Subject: DML: Re:
Cost of a D
Lee Seiler wrote:
>I had always liked the car and had the Stainless Steel Dream book
purchasedwhen the book was new. As a prestige symbol I think the DMC will
increase in value dramatically over the next few years. As for any given DMC,
the actual market value will depend on the specific
DMC > and the particular buyer. As to 45K being to high? I don't think so,
>at least here in california. The DMC is so rear and the cost of
other > prestige types like the Diablo, Cobra, Ferrari 308 etc....so high, I > find it
a bit puzzeling that the DMC cost is as low as it is.
The difference being that the DMC never cost 1/2 as much as these cars.
>In the Building where my company has its offices, there is resurved parking
right along the curb at the Front doors. And of course all
the > CEO's and VP's park in these spaces which are 5 times the normal lot
>monthly fees. In the pole position (spot 1) a medical supply sales
VP > parks his jet black Ferrari, in # 3 is a show quality Z160 Bright
YYellow w/Black leather interior, in #4 a white Pantera, in #5
another > black Ferrari F40 and #6 Countach 5000 (Red)....OOOOPs' forgot #2,
>well thats my Stainless DMC. I can't tell you how many people stop
and > have a look, even walk around the DMC and chat about it! most have
>never seen a DMC in the metal....It is interesting what onlookers
chat > about when just standing there looking at the DMC. It's worth
mmentioning that not a single other car begins to draw the attention the
DMC does.
>$45K bucks...sure why not for all that kind of attention! >
Because it's outrageous. We've had this thread before. A pricetag that high
keeps many people away from getting it. After having the car for almst a year
now, I can say that I'd shoot myself if I paid $45k for it. It's a 15 year old
car...and I use mine as a daily driver. I've had the water pump go, the fuel
pump go, and these things cost money. I met a guy here in NJ who had a
Countach and was complaining that the engine was blowing smoke. For
$100k someone from Italy had better come here and fix it for me!
The point I'm making is that as much as I love the car, I wouldn't put
anything more than $25k on a pristine one. I paid $11,900 for mine and put
about $2k into it. If I could sell it for $45k I would and then buy two more at
$15k each. I'd also like to see someone try to sell it for $45k; it'll never
happen.
Besides, why should I pay for attention?
Mike
______________________________________________________
____________ MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread is getting pretty stale
and unless someone has something new or refreshing to say I will likely start
tossing messages on this thread.
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 7:41:00 -0500
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01 Subject:
DML: Late 81 5 speed For Sale
Call Joe Hammer at (847) 438-0066 in Lake Zurich, Illinois if your seriously
interested in a $17,500 gray interior 5 speed late 1981 DeLorean (#03385) with
11,000 miles.
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Date: Thu, 29 May 97 06:17:46 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Last call!
With the demise of the DOA chapter affiliations, I imagine some new local
clubs will be forming. The upcoming issue of "DMC-News, the 'zine" will list
the local clubs as I know them. To insure that your lcoal club or upcoming
event is listed, email the info to me immediately.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Thu, 29 May 97 06:17:51 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: a few questions answered at EuroFest
Re: white outline of "DELOREAN" on back bumper
According to former employee Joe Murray, no more than ten cars were done
like this to highlight the DeLorean name on the rear bumpers for the cars
used in promotional photography. He claims to have handpainted them
himself.
Re: skipped VIN numbers
No one really knows, though everyone there I talked to from the factory and
area said that over 10,000 cars were made. Where did the DOA get this 8583
number they've been touting as gospel? Anyone? Anyone?
Re: gas flap vs. no gas flap
Mike Loasby said that because of regulations at the time, the luggage
compartment area could not be included in interior capacities unless there
was a separate area for access to the gas flap. He said the change came about
later on due to a change in regs and aesthetics.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Thu, 29 May 97 07:54:08 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: My EuroFest Report
Like most DeLorean events I write about, it's hard to know where to begin!
I'll skip the boring and LONG flight to Belfast from Phoenix except to say that
it was both boring and LONG. Sender: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Fellow list member and local member Chris Rabalais and I travelled together
on this trip, and we arrived in Belfast around 10:00 am Thursday morning.
We picked up our rental car (a 1996 Seat Ibiza, Spanish built economy car) and
with me behind the wheel, proceeded to terrorize the locals. Knut Grimsrud
wrote sometime ago about my inability to stay on my own side of the road
while driving, this trip was very pleasurable in that the wrong side was the
right side. Great fun!
Later that afternoon we met up with "Senator" Mike Pack and Scott Mueller,
two other list members from Maryland and California, respectively. We
decided to head down to the factory to see what we could see since we had a
few hours to kill before the welcoming reception. "Senator" Mike Pack
managed to sweet talk our way into getting a "behind the scenes" tour from
one of the security guards. As we walked through the grounds, there is
literally no evidence that DMC ever existed there, save for the test track. The
test track in 1997 bears no resemblence to the photos I've seen of the test track
from when the plant was new (circa 1980/81). Everything has grown
considerably, from the surrounding areas to the trees and shrubs and bushes
that now envelope the track.
Speaking of the test track, as we approached the track, four members of the
local police were driving around it in their Rover police car. They generously
drove us around the track several times and let "Senator" Mike Pack drive
around once. The local police were all wearing body armor and carrying
automatic weapons - but they were some of the most friendly and open law
enforcement personnel I have ever met, as were all the people I met in
Northern Ireland.
Continuing our "private tour" we next stopped at the former "Training
Centre". This building was where all new employees were trained prior to
working on the assembly line. Undoubtedly the greatest find of the trip was
on this excursion, as "Senator" Mike Pack climbed to the top of a small
"chemical shack" within the building, he discovered a large quantity of old
telexes from mid 1980 and mid 1981. We were able to keep all of them and its
obvious they have been there since the factory was closed. We're making
copies of them as we go through them and while most of them appear to be
administrivia, some provide an interesting insight in to the inner workings
of DMC and DMCL.
As a result of our "private tour", we missed most of the videotaped interview
with JZD made last January, but perhaps someone else from the list who was
there can fill us in on the gist of it.
Friday morning had us on the road to Tyrone Crystal, an interesting non-
DMC trip. This was where the RHD DMC first showed up. It is said to be one
of the cars converted for certification/testing purposes. Interestingly enough,
it has the highest VIN I have seen for the 82 models, #12174 with a May 82
build date.
Friday afternoon was the tech seminar, given by Mike Loasby, DMC's Director
of Engineering. Mike showed a slide show that he had from the days when
the factory was running and it was sort of a "step-by-step" how the car was put
together. He answered a few questions from the audience, and displayed his
DMCL necktie. Unlike the "common" DeLorean necktie of which several
hundred (perhaps a thousand) were made, this tie was one of 14 made that
were given to the directors. He later auctioned off the tie for the benefit of the
"Save the Children" foundation. I am pleased to admit that I was the winning
bidder at 200 pounds (approx $350).
Saturday AM had us visiting the factory for the "official" tour, helicopter ride
over the facility and ride around the test track. The helicopter ride was a great
opportunity to see how much it's changed over the years and get some great
pictures. I had a couple rides around the track in a DeLorean before Robin
McNeill (a DML'er and co-founder of the new DeLorean Motor Club)
arranged for me to drive a DeLorean around the track. Talk about a rush! It's
not hard to imagine what it must've been like when new DMC's whizzed
around the track regularly. An experience I will not soon forget!
About a dozen DMC's showed up all together, including the RHD and a red
one. Saturday night was the big banquet (complete with the obligatory rubbery
chicken dinner served at most DOA events). Awards were given to those that
had travelled the furthest, including DML'er Osamu Shimohara who flew in
with his family from Japan, and a gentleman from Germany that drove his
DMC to the event. A raffle was also held, and while I wasn't one of the
winners there, three DeLorean posters now have new homes as a result of the
raffle and many more found their way into the hands of the locals.
Sunday we visited the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum where theoriginal
Giugiaro wooden mockup is on display, as is car #514, the surviving one of
the two that the local auto club in Belfast put 50,000 miles on for testing
purposes. To all who visited the musuem and got pictures, this is the one roll
of film that I lost on the way back home! I will gladly pay for reprints of your
pictures of these cars and the rest of the museum's DMC exhibits! Please
email me!!
I saw very little memorabilia for sale at the event. I only saw one former
employee there with items for sale, and it was a full size copy of an
architectural drawing of the factory. Interesting item, and if anyone is
interested, I will look into having copies made (30x40 inches). I also
purchased a "regular" DeLorean necktie, new in a never-opened bag for just
10 pounds ($16.50 approx).
Robert Lamrock and David Howarth put on a wonderful event that went off
very smoothly. All in all, it was a great event that will never be forgotten.
James Espey
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: R.O.Corkum@rhq3074-tec-
rtc.ont.drhc-hrdc.x400.gc.ca Subject: re: DML: Wind OOOOOOOOOOO
Richard,
>My project for the week is to re-assemble the passenger side door. The
window somehow jumped the track and the plastic elbow at the drive
gearbox is broken.
This can be a frustrating area to work in depending on the size and agility
of your hands. One thing that I will suggest to save your forearms and hands
from multiple lacerations (unless you like that sort of thing), is to
apply duct tape (or similar) around each of the openings in the stainless steel
that you'll have to be working through.
I also had a broken plastic elbow guide, but the motor was just fine. I ended
up remanufacturing a new metal elbow and grafting it back onto the original
assembly. I believe that there are re-engineered new assemblies (i.e. including
the motor) available through most of the DMC service and part businesses
that advertise in the magazine, but these are pricey. Depending on how
damaged the elbow is, you might be able to just piece it together and using
epoxy and metal reinforcement outside of that, do a good
job. While I was at it, I used metal collars (2 short aluminum tubes roughly
the shape of a "C" and an inch or so long) to reinforce the metal track so that
when the window motor is at its last bit of travel, giving a
tight seal to the window, the cable doesn't pop out of the track.
As far as window alignment, it is mostly trial and error. I believe that after
checking the back/forth alignment, the in/out alignment I ended up using
was nearly maxxed out "inwards"... You probably didn't loosen the "back and
forth" sets of bolts anyways, but you may want to check them just
in case the rails are a bit too far apart... The whole aligning process shouldn't
be too bad if you have the correct (and long enough) tools and socket driver.
Have fun!
Robert Corkum
Toronto, Ontario
ATTENTION ONTARIO DELOREAN OWNERS!
- -------------------------------------
I'd like to get in touch with other owners in my area: If you are in Toronto or
anywhere in Ontario for that matter, please send me an e-mail. We'd like to
share experiences and stories with others in our area. I'm hoping to
eventually have a meet for those that are interested! - ---------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:49:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Gowler-
CFPO01@world.std.com, Don_Gowler-CFPO01@email.mot.com Subject: Re:
DML: Wind OOOOOOOOOOO
Message authorized by:
: dmc1219@IDT.NET@INTERNET at #EMAIL
My project for the week is to re-assemble the passenger side door. The
window somehow jumped the track and the plastic elbow at the drive
gearbox is broken.
Richard wrote:
"Is there a replacement for the plastic elbow cable guide available?
Where??"
I'm going to say no there isn't but if you epoxy it back together and then using
a small piece of sheet aluminum, a drill press, a hacksaw, vice and plyers for
bending you can make yourself a very sturdy support that screws on to the
elbows
metal flange and will never break again.
Good luck, The Silver Fox
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Date: 29 May 1997 11:56:54 -0400
From: R.O.Corkum@rhq3074-tec-rtc.ont.drhc-hrdc.x400.gc.ca Subject: DML:
RE: Wind OOOOOOOOOOO
Richard,
>My project for the week is to re-assemble the passenger side door. The
window somehow jumped the track and the plastic elbow at the drive
gearbox is broken.
This can be a frustrating area to work in depending on the size and agility of
your hands. One thing that I will suggest to save your forearms and hands
from multiple lacerations (unless you like that sort of thing), is to apply duct
tape (or similar) around each of the openings in the stainless steel that you'll
have to be working through.
I also had a broken plastic elbow guide, but the motor was just fine. I ended
up remanufacturing a new metal elbow and grafting it back onto the original
assembly. I believe that there are re-engineered new assemblies (i.e. including
the motor) available through most of the DMC service and part businesses
that advertise in the magazine, but these are pricey. Depending on how
damaged the elbow is, you might be able to just piece it together and using
epoxy and metal reinforcement outside of that, do a good job. While I was at
it, I used metal collars (2 short aluminum tubes roughly the shape of a "C"
and an inch or so long) to reinforce the metal track so that when the window
motor is at its last bit of travel, giving a tight seal to the window, the cable
doesn't pop out of the track.
As far as window alignment, it is mostly trial and error. I believe that after
checking the back/forth alignment, the in/out alignment I ended up using
was nearly maxxed out "inwards"... You probably didn't loosen the "back and
forth" sets of bolts anyways, but you may want to check them just in case the
rails are a bit too far apart... The whole aligning process shouldn't be too bad if
you have the correct (and long enough) tools and socket driver.
Have fun!
Robert Corkum
Toronto, Ontario
ATTENTION ONTARIO DELOREAN OWNERS!
- -------------------------------------
I'd like to get in touch with other owners in my area: If you are in Toronto or
anywhere in Ontario for that matter, please send me an e-mail. We'd like to
share experiences and stories with others in our area. I'm hoping to
eventually have a meet for those that are interested! ----------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:19:58 -0600
From: Michael Fischer Subject: DML: Oil
and Tires.
Hey everyone,
A couple of quick questions, as my 'D' is fairly new to me, my oil pressure
gauge seems to flicker, i.e. the needle pulses up and down a few mm (1/16" or
so). Plus when I first start the car it goes up to 5.8 almost immediately (it's the
metric guage 5.8 kg/cm^2 (80 psi)) then if I let the car idle, it slowly drops to
around 2.6 (40 psi) flickering the while. When I give it some gas it jumps back
to 5.8 (80 psi) is this normal, or do I possibly have a bad sender?
Second, since there have been several discussions on the virtues of oil. What
weight do you typically use in your 'D' the manuals seem little vague on that.
Some places recommend 20W/50 but other locations have 10W/30 etc.
Third, I've been hunting ofr a new set of tires. I've heard recommended
Yokohama AVS Intermediates, but I've had no luck finding those in the big
beef for the back (235/60HR15) What tires does everyone have, and
impressions of them? (Along that note, I may be interested in parting with
my original Goodyear NCT's, the front are like new full tread,but that the
back are down to about 10% tread left.)
Thanx.
- --
+-----------+-------------------------------+------------+ |___________|
Michael.Fischer@pipe.nova.ca |____________| |"Before you criticize
someone, walk a mile in his shoes.| | That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a
mile away - | | and barefoot." |
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:43:03 -0400 (EDT) From: FearRacer@aol.com
Subject: DML: DeLoreans in '98?
Hi all!
There has been a BIG rumor going around that another DMC dub= bed
the "D2" will be hitting the stores somewhere in 1998. Is this true? Some
people believe in it, and others don't. I recently bought the Gold Portfo= lio
book from DOA, and, in the back where the interview with John Z., they as=
ked
him if he "had pland for another DMC", and then he said, =9Fes, it is com=
ing
along quite nicely..." or something similar to that. Anywho, KAPAC is
remaking the old DMCs'' with some new features, like two door four seat
style. Remember, these are all rumors and I was just wondering if they we= re
true. Thanks!
Supratik Lahiri
Homepage: The Wings of the DeLorean... E-Mail: fearracer@aol.com =20
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) From: FearRacer@aol.com
Subject: DML: New DMCs, huh?
Hi Hi!
Does anybody here in the DMC know if there are any BRAND NEW DMCs'
still around? (besides the gold one) Thanks!
Supratik Lahiri (a.k.a. Fear Racer)
Homepage: The Wings of the DeLorean... E-Mail: fearracer@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:14:27 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter Subject: DML: Rust spot on
body
I noticed today that I had a small rust spot on one of the body panels. =
Looking closer I noticed the source appears to a small bump. I do not = know
what the bump is but I tried to remove it with my fingernail and = gently
with a knife but it does not want to move. Any suggestions on = how to
remove this spot and to clean up the rust?
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Date: Thu, 29 May 97 12:41:58 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: ADMIN NOTE: Guest Moderator / Directory / Clubs
Just a quick note to let you all know that I have resumed moderation duties.
A big, big thanks to guest moderator Knut Grimsrud, who graciously took
over the list and did a great job in my absence.
I have just about caught up with the 330+ messages I had waiting for me on
my return, and expect to have the latest version of the directory (70+ names)
posted over the weekend.
If you belong to a local/regional/national DeLorean club, please email me
with contact information for the club. These will be posted on the web pages
and in the 'zine. These are the clubs that have responded so far:
Arizona DeLorean Club
DeLorean Midwest Connection
DeLorean Club of Oregon
DeLorean Motor Club
I know there are clubs in the northeast and southeast, as well as former DOA
chapters in Ohio, California, Texas and Iowa. Sweden is supposed to have a
big club, as is Japan and the UK. I will only post info for clubs that contact me -
if your name is not listed above, no one from your group has contacted me!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:33:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Buster Bunny
Subject: DML: first time buyer
I'm a first time buyer looking for information. I'm currently considering
purchasing an '82 DeLorean. I'd appreceate it if someone could recomend a
good service center in the north-central/gainesville Florida area.
I would also greatly value the opinions of some of the list members
concerning the deal I'm getting. I've found an '82 DeLorean, 5-speed, with
grey leather and 20,000 miles. Asking price is $15,000 (USD). It's always been
garaged, the stainless steel is virtually flawless, and the interior is in tip top
shape. There are a few exceptions, specifically, A large black splotch on the
leather just below the glove box, some wear on the driver's seat's leather and
the passanger's side carpet, a small scratch on the rear fiberglass piece, and the
power antenna doesn't work properly. This car is also mostly original except
for a few things like gas struts, rear tires, ac/alternator belt, battery door,
headliner, etc...
If someone could give me an idea what it might cost to get this car
competition worthy I'd appreceate that. I'd also like to know why it is that
'83s seem to demand a higher price while the '81s and '82s seem to demand
the about the same money. (I originally set out looking for a canadian '83, 5-
speed, w/grey leather, but don't think I'll find one in this nice a condition)
-buster@fdt.net
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) From: GullWinged@aol.com
Subject: DML: Happy Birthday to VIN 1529
Well today is May 29th, which is the date I have set as my car's birthday. It
turns 16 years old now and will be taking it's driving test next week in hopes
of getting its own license. :) To celebrate the occasion, I plan to thoroughly
clean up the car and take it to a car show this weekend as well as eat some Ben
& Jerry's Brittania ice cream purchased for this special day.
I also wanted to let people know that I have received two interesting
DeLorean items recently and will be gleaning tidbits from them to post in the
coming month or two. The first item is a mint copy of the July 1977 issue of
Car and Driver that takes a 'First Look at America's Stunning New Sports Car
- John DeLorean's Gull-Wing DMC-12".' The second item, which just arrived
in the mail today, is a very good copy of the book 'On a Clear Day You Can See
General Motors.'
Also let this serve as notice that I will be making the following resources
available electronically within a few weeks:
1) Several graphs detailing asking prices of DeLoreans versus year, mileage,
date listed and location within the U.S.
2) A cross-reference list consisting mostly of items learned from personal
experience, the DML and other non-copyrighted sources.
All information will be copyrighted by my company, Stormrider Media
Productions. HOWEVER, it may be freely distributed to others as long as there
is NO charge for the info. Basically, this means others cannot reprint the
graphs or interchange lists, or portions thereof, and sell them as their own, or
include them in any other publication which costs money, i.e. 'DeLorean
World', without my permission.
Chase Clark
Owner of '81 DMC-12 VIN#1529, produced in late May, 1981
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:00:22 -0700 Just recently my car has begun to start
with some trouble, well I guess From: Dan Berglund
Subject: DML: Starting problems, idle problems too
I
should stay it has trouble starting sometimes.... When I put the key in and
turn it I sometimes get nothing, othertimes the car will start right up and
sometimes the car will start and then immediatly die. It is completely random
and weather, and/or if the car is hot or cold does not seem to make
a difference. I get the accesories come on and when it gets to the point where
it should start I only get a click... Any Ideas? Sender: dmcnews-
approval@world.std.com
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Also my front drivers side blinker went out - is this pretty easy to replace? (I
must admit I haven't looked at the manuals.. ;)
Finally one more thing, my car seems to be idling really fast, between 1000
and 2000 rpms, usually around the 1500+ range. Somtimes I can cure this by
taping on the gas pedal. but most of the time it just continues to
idle at this speed - also it doesn't matter if my car is hot or cold... Is
this a vacuum leak?
Why do things always happen all at once?
Thanks for any ideas,
Dan Berglund
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:28:31 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: Re: DML: Oil and Tires.
At 11:19 AM 5/29/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>A couple of quick questions, as my 'D' is fairly new to me, my oil pressure
gauge seems to flicker, i.e. the needle pulses up and down a few mm (1/16" or
so). Plus when I first start the car it goes up to 5.8 almost immediately (it's the
metric guage 5.8 kg/cm^2 (80 psi)) then if I let the car idle, it slowly drops to
around 2.6 (40 psi) flickering the while. When I give it some gas it jumps back
to 5.8 (80 psi) is this normal, or do I possibly have a bad sender?
>Second, since there have been several discussions on the virtues of oil.
What weight do you typically use in your 'D' the manuals seem little vague
on that. Some places recommend 20W/50 but other locations have 10W/30
etc.
>Third, I've been hunting ofr a new set of tires. I've heard recommended
Yokohama AVS Intermediates, but I've had no luck finding those in the big
beef for the back (235/60HR15) What tires does everyone have, and
impressions of them? (Along that note, I may be interested in parting with
my original Goodyear NCT's, the front are like new full tread,but that the
back are down to about 10% tread left.)
>Thanx.
>--
>+-----------+-------------------------------+------------+ |___________|
Michael.Fischer@pipe.nova.ca |____________| |"Before you criticize
someone, walk a mile in his shoes.| | That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a
mile away - | | and barefoot." |
>+--------------------------------------------------------+
Hello Mike,
Like you I have only been driving my DMC for a few months, (after years in
atorage). I had many of the same questions, and for what it's worth
here are some of the things I did. First the oil: I use 20/50, my regular
mechanic (Automotive Acrs-Berkeley Calif) who work on Volov engines a
lot and have done top notch work on my DMC suggested the 20/50 based on
the average temp and my driving. They drained and flushed my engine used
a cleaner and flushed again befor installing new filter and OIL. sofar after 5K
miles the oil is still clean so I am pleased about that part. Next the pressure,
my gauge is like yours, the pressure goes up and down based on engine speed
and load, I am told this is quite normal for the engine. Next Tires, I also had
original NCT's on my DMS and found as you did they are no
longer made. I found that there were only to tire brands available in both
195/60HR-14 & 235/60HR-15. they are Goodyear and Yokohama. I test drove
both
types and found several things. First both did not have the same very flat tire
provile. of the two available to me the Yokahama looked more like the
originals but did not "feel" as solid or corner as well as the Goodyear tire. I
settled for the Goodyear brand because it looked more like the originals
"Goodyear" name and did the best in road test (mine). if you like
I can give you the exact information on the Goodyears.
Good Luck
Vin #5729
lee@ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:32:47 -0700
From: Lee Seiler
Subject: Re: DML: New DMCs, huh?
At 01:46 PM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Hi!
>Does anybody here in the DMC know if there are any BRAND NEW DMCs'
still around? (besides the gold one) Thanks!
>Supratik Lahiri (a.k.a. Fear Racer)
Hi,
What do you mean Brand new? no miles of never privately owned? Built
last week?
I picked up mine 4+ months ago, it had never been privately owned, stored by
a Dealer, who died and I got the DMC threw an estate sale.
so what your Idea of "NEW"?
Lee
Vin 5729
lee@ccnet.com
Tel: (510) 649-9118 Fax: (510) 848-7613
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